NFC North / NFL Thread 2017-18

[jsglow]

Mac's not going anywhere.  He'll get total control of all future coaching hires.  And the new GM will either be a well groomed internal candidate or a Packer's disciple like Schneider, Dorsey, or McKenzie.  All likely have 'outs' in their current contract if the Green and Gold ever calls. 

[GGGG]

Ted is staying with the organization. Mac is safe as can be. Everyone held accountable...except for him.

IMO they want Ted around for the draft.  My guess is after that he will basically be gone.

I hope for John Schneider, but regardless my largest hope is that they don't give McCarthy more of a personnel role.  I don't think he's been a bad coach by any means, but the GM overseeing all football operations needs to stay in place.  And if the new GM wants to fire McCarthy on Day 1, I am fine with that.

[GGGG]

Pro Football Talk also mentions that Dorsey may be intrigued by the position given that the owner wants Hue Jackson around.  The lack of an egotistical owner to answer to makes the position even more desirable. 

[cheebs09]

All likely have 'outs' in their current contract if the Green and Gold ever calls.

Aaron Nagler is saying Schneider no longer is that clause. It didn't sound like he was certain, but thought it was removed.

I'm personally surprised they pulled the trigger. I wonder if Ted was ready to be done or there is some sort of health issue that keeps him from being able to carry out the role of GM.

[GGGG]

The lack of an out-clause doesn't mean it can't happen.  If he's their guy, he's worth a first round pick.

[Hards Alumni]

Not sure. Just said expected to remain with the organization in a different roll.

role.

you do this a lot.

[hairy worthen]

The lack of an out-clause doesn't mean it can't happen.  If he's their guy, he's worth a first round pick.

hell no he isn't. they have highly sought after guys in house. gutenkust, wolf, ball all would be good choices.

[GGGG]

hell no he isn't. they have highly sought after guys in house. gutenkust, wolf, ball all would be good choices.

I said "if he's their choice."  And yes, if they are convinced that he is the best candidate for the position, trading a first round pick would be fine by me.  Better than saying "oh well, let's hire Wolf instead."

[hairy worthen]

I said "if he's their choice."  And yes, if they are convinced that he is the best candidate for the position, trading a first round pick would be fine by me.  Better than saying "oh well, let's hire Wolf instead."

certainly not unheard of for coaches in particular but I think giving up the 14th pick for a gm would be a mistake. Schneider is not that much better than other candidates. i wouldn't be ok with it. besides could you see TT in an advisory role recommending giving up the 14th pick. it's not happening.

[mu03eng]

I'm not convinced John Schneider is a great GM let alone one you give us the 14th overall pick for. Yes Schneider put together good defensive personnel but the Oline has been criminal in Seattle and Green Bay's is in need of a rebuild after this season with a high priority to keep Rodgers off the injury list

[hairy worthen]

I'm not convinced John Schneider is a great GM let alone one you give us the 14th overall pick for. Yes Schneider put together good defensive personnel but the Oline has been criminal in Seattle and Green Bay's is in need of a rebuild after this season with a high priority to keep Rodgers off the injury list

I agree. plus Seattle has salary cap issues and an aging defense. they may drop off significantly in the next few years.

[wadesworld]

I'm not convinced John Schneider is a great GM let alone one you give us the 14th overall pick for. Yes Schneider put together good defensive personnel but the Oline has been criminal in Seattle and Green Bay's is in need of a rebuild after this season with a high priority to keep Rodgers off the injury list

I’m much more convinced Schneider is a good GM than I am Gutenkusr, Wolf, or Ball. Same with Dorsey.

[hairy worthen]

I’m much more convinced Schneider is a good GM than I am Gutenkusr, Wolf, or Ball. Same with Dorsey.

i would rather have a bright up and comer than a retread. those guys have been around the system long enough to do a good job.

[GGGG]

i would rather have a bright up and comer than a retread. those guys have been around the system long enough to do a good job.

John Schneider is 46 years old.  He was the director of player personnel when the 2010 Super Bowl team was built.  I would hardly call him a retread. 

[wadesworld]

John Schneider is 46 years old.  He was the director of player personnel when the 2010 Super Bowl team was built.  I would hardly call him a retread.

Yeah. And John Dorsey took over an awful KC organization (1 Playoff appearance in the 6 years prior to his arrival, last place in their division 4 of those 6 years, 2-14 the year before he took over) and took them to 4 Playoffs in 5 seasons (including this year, where he left mid season).

[cheebs09]

I read on a Packers board that right now Schneider only has control of the 90-man roster. Carroll has control of the 53-man roster. So, they wouldn’t have to make a trade if he’d get full control in GB. It’s only message board chatter, so may not be accurate. Interesting if that’s the case though.

[Jockey]

Ted is staying with the organization. Mac is safe as can be. Everyone held accountable...except for him.

MM has been a pretty good coach. His one big failing was the failure to hold coaches to accountability.

[wadesworld]

MM has been a pretty good coach. His one big failing was the failure to hold coaches to accountability.

I’ve been of the belief he should’ve been left off the airplane in Seattle a few years ago.

[hairy worthen]

Yeah. And John Dorsey took over an awful KC organization (1 Playoff appearance in the 6 years prior to his arrival, last place in their division 4 of those 6 years, 2-14 the year before he took over) and took them to 4 Playoffs in 5 seasons (including this year, where he left mid season).

actually would rather have Dorsey than Schneider. obviously either would be good gets. all I'm saying is no need to give up draft choices when you have qualified people on your staff and more than one. to me a highly thought of person on your own staff is the way to go. we will see soon enough. 

[Jockey]

Mac's not going anywhere.  He'll get total control of all future coaching hires.  And the new GM will either be a well groomed internal candidate or a Packer's disciple like Schneider, Dorsey, or McKenzie.  All likely have 'outs' in their current contract if the Green and Gold ever calls.

Dorsey was hired by the Browns a month ago.

[DegenerateDish]

I don't know how you guys can say McCarthy is safe. He's got a year left on his deal and a new GM coming on. By NFL definition, his seat is at least warm as of this hour. Textbook definition of a coach who should be worried.

[wadesworld]

I don't know how you guys can say McCarthy is safe. He's got a year left on his deal and a new GM coming on. By NFL definition, his seat is at least warm as of this hour. Textbook definition of a coach who should be worried.

Hope you're right.  I would be beyond shocked.

[rocket surgeon]

Eliot wolf in as gm , tt, gone,  doom capers gone, Mac stays

[hairy worthen]

I don't know how you guys can say McCarthy is safe. He's got a year left on his deal and a new GM coming on. By NFL definition, his seat is at least warm as of this hour. Textbook definition of a coach who should be worried.

Never know what a new GM will do, but if they stay in house for the GM, which appears most likely, his first order of business will probably be to extend McCarthy for at least a year.

[MUBurrow]

This is probably where we find out what Rodgers really thinks of McCarthy, aina?