NFC North / NFL Thread 2017-18

[jsglow]

The Bears still suck!  Go Packers!

[DegenerateDish]

And the NFL referees, who went and watched the replay and made the call, and I, and 4+ other posters on here, are all wrong and you're absolutely right.

My bad.

We get it.  You're the local NFL expert, worked in the Bears front office, etc.  You're wrong here though.  It's okay, it happens.  But your word isn't Gospel.  You also wanted to put a million dollars down on the Jets having the worst record in the NFL this year and gawked at anybody who even suggested that some horrible teams could take 1 bad injury to one of their few good players and accidentally win 1 or 2 games and be worse.

You're a smart NFL guy.  But your solution to the problem of a team correctly challenging a play but having it burn them as a result as leaving the incorrectly called, challenged play as that incorrect call is absurd and it's confusing why they would ever do that.  Even if MerritsMustache wants to play some passive aggressive crap as a response.  You have it wrong.

I, unlike you, will admit when I'm wrong. I've called myself out multiple times, and put my money where my mouth is by donating to charity when I was wrong.

The former head of officiating said it was a bad call. I don't know what else you want. If you don't like my football thoughts, hit ignore.

[forgetful]

I read what he said. I thought he was saying that he was out prior to him fumbling. He was not questioning if the entire play can be reviewed.

That was my take as well.  His opinion was that it was not definitive that he didn't touch the ball with his left foot out of bounds. 

The trained officials on the field determined that the ball hit the pylon before his left foot went out of bounds.  It was close, but my view of it on all the replays was the same.  Ball hit the pylon before any part of his body was out of bounds.

So fumble. 

Blandino did not disagree with them at all for reviewing the entire play. 

[wadesworld]

I, unlike you, will admit when I'm wrong. I've called myself out multiple times, and put my money where my mouth is by donating to charity when I was wrong.

The former head of officiating said it was a bad call. I don't know what else you want. If you don't like my football thoughts, hit ignore.

I have no issue admitting when I'm wrong.  I'm not wrong here.  I'm glad the former head of officials agrees with you.  The current officials on the field and in the replay center that make calls on the field watched the play and disagree with both of you.

[#UnleashSean]

I have no issue admitting when I'm wrong.  I'm not wrong here.

[Pakuni]

I, unlike you, will admit when I'm wrong. I've called myself out multiple times, and put my money where my mouth is by donating to charity when I was wrong.

The former head of officiating said it was a bad call. I don't know what else you want. If you don't like my football thoughts, hit ignore.

He said it was a bad call, but not for the reason you said it was a bad call that got this conversation started. He simply said Howard should have been called out of bounds before losing possession. Your complaint was that the officials should not have been allowed to rule on possession because that's not what was challenged.

So, you're right that Blandino disagreed with the call, and wrong that his disagreement backs your position.

[DegenerateDish]

He said it was a bad call, but not for the reason you said it was a bad call that got this conversation started. He simply said Howard should have been called out of bounds before losing possession. Your complaint was that the officials should not have been allowed to rule on possession because that's not what was challenged.

So, you're right that Blandino disagreed with the call, and wrong that his disagreement backs your position.

I understand, and Sultan is right that you can examine everything on both scoring and non scoring plays. I thought it mattered what Fox challenged specifically, but I was wrong.

However, what I was getting at is if the call on the field was out at the 3, any fumble there after doesn't matter, it's meaningless. If there's not visual evidence to overturn the initial call, then thereafter ceases to have occurred.

[jsglow]

I just saw the replay having not seen the game live.  Really pretty easy call on the fumble touchback.  In the first replay one can see that the runner remained in bounds and didn't touch the ground until such time as the ball touched the pylon.  Okay, from that set of facts you can deduce that if the runner loses control prior to the ball touching the pylon it's a touchback as using multiple angles to form a composite ruling is allowed.  Clearly he lost control in the cross field view.  There was even a moment where neither hand was on the ball.  Like I said, easy call. 

[tower912]

Lions tried for 3  quarters to get Cleveland their first win.  Pulled away late, but not aesthetically pleasing.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

The fumble out of the end zone touchback is a terrible rule anyway

[GGGG]

The fumble out of the end zone touchback is a terrible rule anyway

It truly is. Not only is a team punished for advancing the ball further, but it is punished harshly by losing possession. 

IMO, it should be the offense's ball where the fumble took place, which solves both issues.

[DegenerateDish]

I thought Hundley played well. Bears should have kept blitzing, but Hundley made some real nice throws when he had to. Pack o-line deserves game balls.

[tower912]

49'ers out of the owen column.  Any time Jerra's cowboys lose, it is a good day.  That guy has done the impossible.  Made me feel sympathy for the Roger.

[B. McBannerson]

49'ers out of the owen column.  Any time Jerra's cowboys lose, it is a good day.  That guy has done the impossible.  Made me feel sympathy for the Roger.

I hope Roger wins this thing, the league will continue to be a shell of itself if he stays in power.  Jerry knows it because he helped build it and he sees what a joke Roger is. 

[tower912]

Hey, we agree on something.  Roger is a clown.   I just think Jerra is a bigger one.

[Jay Bee]

Skol Vikings we are the best.

Case was FIRING today.

#ShieldTheNorth

[4everwarriors]

Who name’s der kid, Case, hey?

[tower912]

Ma and pa Keenum

[GGGG]

Jones voted to extend Goodell's contract in May - all the owners did.  This was after the initial round of protests and TV ratings started to slip.  It was after he laughably executed his power during deflate-gate.  Simply put, Goodell is no different now than he was six months ago.

However it was before Goodell suspended Ezekiel Elliot.  The transparency of Jones' motivations are pretty clear.

And what's funny is that I (and many other here) have been saying he's been incompetent for years.  Dating back before the Ray Rice video issue.

But you know which Scooper was one of his biggest defenders?  Care to guess?

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41989.msg568605#msg568605

[tower912]

Oh, it is clear that EE is Jerra's inspiration.

[rocket surgeon]

Jones voted to extend Goodell's contract in May - all the owners did.  This was after the initial round of protests and TV ratings started to slip.  It was after he laughably executed his power during deflate-gate.  Simply put, Goodell is no different now than he was six months ago.

However it was before Goodell suspended Ezekiel Elliot.  The transparency of Jones' motivations are pretty clear.

And what's funny is that I (and many other here) have been saying he's been incompetent for years.  Dating back before the Ray Rice video issue.

But you know which Scooper was one of his biggest defenders?  Care to guess?

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41989.msg568605#msg568605

 a lot has happened in the almost 4 years since that evaluation was made...A LOT !  there are some here, whom i assume were married and divorced within that time frame-and that was for better or worse eyn"er?so you're gonna hold someone to their word based on a 4 year gap?  what if it came up that rodger dodger and weinersteens were "drinkin buds" ?

[GGGG]

a lot has happened in the almost 4 years since that evaluation was made...A LOT !  there are some here, whom i assume were married and divorced within that time frame-and that was for better or worse eyn"er?so you're gonna hold someone to their word based on a 4 year gap?  what if it came up that rodger dodger and weinersteens were "drinkin buds" ?

I'm sure Chicos is glad that you continuously defend his honor, even though your efforts are misplaced.

[tower912]

a lot has happened in the almost 4 years since that evaluation was made...A LOT !  there are some here, whom i assume were married and divorced within that time frame-and that was for better or worse eyn"er?so you're gonna hold someone to their word based on a 4 year gap?  what if it came up that rodger dodger and weinersteens were "drinkin buds" ?

4 years ago, whenever you posted, we wondered who the new guy with the grammar problem was.   Now we know.

[4everwarriors]

Fookin’ Marty caught a ball. Must be dat da seafood in Boston has mysterious rotator cuff heelin’ powers, ai na?
#fraud

[wadesworld]

4 years ago, whenever you posted, we wondered who the new guy with the grammar problem was.   Now we know.

Yup.  Lol.