Big East Bids

[Windyplayer]

it's probably 4 unless someone other than MU/Nova/STJ/Butler win the conference tournament. 

Since I've never been a fan of conference tournaments because they just tire you out for the real tournament, here's hoping that Providence or another team that's well coached and fun to watch wins it and we get 5 in the big dance.

No way it'll be more than 5.

No way. Marquette’s turn to bring home the hardware.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Locks: MU and Nova

Should be in, but work to do: SJU and Hall

Work to do: Butler

Still a shot, but looking grim: PC and Creighton

Maybe they got a shot at Dayton if this finish red hot: Gtown and Depaul

That Creighton loss @ X the other night was a back breaker. They looked like they have the inside track to get to 10 wins before that.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Maybe 5 now? 6 not impossible pending BET winner.

Nova, MU, Hall are in. SJU is still in but may have played their way into Dayton.

Creighton probably a win today and a win in the BET away from getting in. Georgetown and X definitely in the convo now, but still have work to do.

[skianth16]

The real question is how many wins the Big East will get. I'm guessing it might just be 2 right now. If we pull it together, we could be the best Big East team. But we're in a bad rut right now. All BE teams are susceptible to an early exit. 

[1SE]

The real question is how many wins the Big East will get. I'm guessing it might just be 2 right now. If we pull it together, we could be the best Big East team. But we're in a bad rut right now. All BE teams are susceptible to an early exit.

So is SJU out? Looking like 3 then unless X can beat Nova eh?

[Dr. Blackheart]

So is SJU out? Looking like 3 then unless X can beat Nova eh?

Howie Schwab has SJU as the last two in.

[1SE]

Howie Schwab has SJU as the last two in.

79 kenpom, 64 NET (not sure if updated from today).

But I guess it is a tip of the hat to us if they make in it since we're the major part of their resume!

[MUMonster03]

I know everyone is saying the Big East had a down year but no other conference had a last place team with 7 wins. The middle of our conference just beat each other up. If you have the usual bad teams at the bottom the Big East is probably looking at at least 5 in with the extra win distribution. I think the thing hurting a lot of these teams is a) they didn't play anyone in non-conference and b) if they did we had a lot of young Big East teams still learning to play and getting beat. I expect a big bounce  back year next season and be back into the 6 bid range.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Jerry Palm's updated bracket has St. John's  in. Not even in Dayton.

[brewcity77]

79 kenpom, 64 NET (not sure if updated from today).

But I guess it is a tip of the hat to us if they make in it since we're the major part of their resume!

Not updated yet. If St John's drops to 68, that would be a lower NET than the lowest RPI to ever make the field. Only two sub-65 RPI teams ever made the field, both played in Dayton. I'll be watching their updated NET closely today.

[Eye]

Just tried to come up with a field and really struggled to find 4 teams for the last 4 at-larges/PIGs, and I had Utah State, Belmont and Lipscomb getting at-larges. I'd guess SJU ends up in one of the PIGs as a penalty of sorts for their less-than-spectacular non-league schedule.

[brewcity77]

Just tried to come up with a field and really struggled to find 4 teams for the last 4 at-larges/PIGs, and I had Utah State, Belmont and Lipscomb getting at-larges. I'd guess SJU ends up in one of the PIGs as a penalty of sorts for their less-than-spectacular non-league schedule.

Those last spots are awful. Comparing teams like Furman & Lipscomb who have great records but of lower quality to teams like Indiana & Texas who have quality but poor records to teams like St John's & ASU who have some decent wins but staggeringly bad losses is tough.

[Eye]

Hadn't looked at it as much this year because it wasn't an issue for MU or my #2 team, Arizona (talk about awful this year). Will never happen, but maybe time to contract the field back to 64?

[brewcity77]

Hadn't looked at it as much this year because it wasn't an issue for MU or my #2 team, Arizona (talk about awful this year). Will never happen, but maybe time to contract the field back to 64?

More likely it would expand. I say add 4 teams, go to 72, and the last 16 at large bids play at Dayton & another site (maybe Omaha?) on Tuesday & Wednesday. That way every autobid gets to play Thursday/Friday & the play in games would all actually feature somewhat higher quality matchups.

[MUMonster03]

Hadn't looked at it as much this year because it wasn't an issue for MU or my #2 team, Arizona (talk about awful this year). Will never happen, but maybe time to contract the field back to 64?

Not gonna happen. Money talks, that's why they went from 1 PIG to 4. If anything I would like them to use the PIG to give more consideration to the one bid leagues where the regular season champion was pretty good but just had an off night in the conference tournament. The best part of the tournament is giving those long shots a chance.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I would be surprised if SJU misses the tournament.

[Eye]

Completely agree on that last point Monster. I'm all for giving the Furman, NC Greensboro and Hofstra's of the world shots in those games than teams that are under .500 in their leagues and barely over .500 overall.

Edit - And I guess I'm seeing a path to a 4 seed now, too, if things go right the next 2 days. On some level just avoid Duke with a healthy Williamson as long as possible.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Last season's Marquette team would be a 9 seed this season?

[BM1090]

For the love of God can we stop referring to Howie Schwab like he has any idea what he is doing?

I disagree with a decent amount of Brew's bracket (I think SJU is in) and I guarantee he puts more work and time into it than Howie Schwab. The guy has no idea what he's doing.

[MU82]

I love love love that I don't have to care about the bubble this year!!

Not saying we shouldn't have these conversations here. That's what a fan site is for. Just saying that, personally, it's so nice to be worrying about more than if my Warriors are gonna dance.

Ahhhh. 

[Mr. Nielsen]

For the love of God can we stop referring to Howie Schwab like he has any idea what he is doing?

I disagree with a decent amount of Brew's bracket (I think SJU is in) and I guarantee he puts more work and time into it than Howie Schwab. The guy has no idea what he's doing.

He is a FS1/BTN guy! I'm for promoting him.

[brewcity77]

For the love of God can we stop referring to Howie Schwab like he has any idea what he is doing?

I disagree with a decent amount of Brew's bracket (I think SJU is in) and I guarantee he puts more work and time into it than Howie Schwab. The guy has no idea what he's doing.

I expect I will be really right or really wrong when it comes to the bubble. If this was last year's committee, I would likely have NC State, Creighton, & Indiana in and UNCG, Furman, & Lipscomb out.

St John's would be the lowest ranked high major per kenpom to get an at large & their NET would be lower than the previous lowest RPI. I could easily be wrong on some high majors depending on how this SC makeup behaves, but I think MU fans are overrating their chances because of our bad memories of them. Poor non-con, bad conference losses, unprecedentedly low computer numbers. And from a Selection Committee with more mid & low majors than any time since 2013? We'll see.

[Dr. Blackheart]

For the love of God can we stop referring to Howie Schwab like he has any idea what he is doing?

I disagree with a decent amount of Brew's bracket (I think SJU is in) and I guarantee he puts more work and time into it than Howie Schwab. The guy has no idea what he's doing.

They interviewed him last night and he said that the Johnnies have too many bad losses and a weak OOC to go with their good wins. Namely their DePaul losses and finishing 9-11 in conference.  Like him or not, SJU is teetering on the bubble.

[BM1090]

They interviewed him last night and he said that the Johnnies have too many bad losses and a weak OOC to go with their good wins. Namely their DePaul losses and finishing 9-11 in conference.  Like him or not, SJU is teetering on the bubble.

Sure. And that's fine. They definitely aren't safe. But there are literally 100 better bracketologists that we could be referencing.

It's like using Bleacher Report for your main supply of sports news.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Sure. And that's fine. They definitely aren't safe. But there are literally 100 better bracketologists that we could be referencing.

It's like using Bleacher Report for your main supply of sports news.

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