Historical Mascot Question

[anubis266]

For reasons too boring to explain, I'm working on a project that requires me to use depictions of the mascots from certain schools between 1948 - 1952.  Pretty exact, huh? The Marquette mascot has been a huge sticking point for me. My research shows that the first physical mascot at any sporting event was Chief White Buck in 1954.

So am I right to assume that during the era that the Marquette teams were called the Hilltoppers and Golden Avalanche respectively, there was NEVER a physical mascot at any game? No sharply dressed dogs? Pigs? Goats?

I'm almost certain that there wasn't. It's not listed in any yearbook I've gone through or article I've seen.

I just thought I'd ask you guys, the experts.

[ChicosBailBonds]

[anubis266]

Ha! Well played

[willie warrior]

For reasons too boring to explain, I'm working on a project that requires me to use depictions of the mascots from certain schools between 1948 - 1952.  Pretty exact, huh? The Marquette mascot has been a huge sticking point for me. My research shows that the first physical mascot at any sporting event was Chief White Buck in 1954.

So am I right to assume that during the era that the Marquette teams were called the Hilltoppers and Golden Avalanche respectively, there was NEVER a physical mascot at any game? No sharply dressed dogs? Pigs? Goats?

I'm almost certain that there wasn't. It's not listed in any yearbook I've gone through or article I've seen.

I just thought I'd ask you guys, the experts.

"Chief White Buck"? Now that is racist, discriminatory, classless, not PC, and obviously rooted in bigotry. Just like Redskins, Seminoles, Warriors, Blackhawks, Chiefs, Braves, etc.

[willie warrior]

Where the hell did you get this picture of Dukiet, Chicos?

[4everwarriors]

There was only one real mascot, aina?

[ChicosBailBonds]

"Chief White Buck"? Now that is racist, discriminatory, classless, not PC, and obviously rooted in bigotry. Just like Redskins, Seminoles, Warriors, Blackhawks, Chiefs, Braves, etc.

Maybe Google will outlaw the ability to search for some of those terms.  Book burnings can't be too far behind.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Maybe Google will outlaw the ability to search for some of those terms.  Book burnings can't be too far behind.

So fcc getting a request to ban redskin from network television = book burnings. We're you also one of those people who thought gay marriage would lead to legalizing beastiality and pedophilia?

[Goose]

4ever

And might have been best mascot ever.

[willie warrior]

So fcc getting a request to ban redskin from network television = book burnings. We're you also one of those people who thought gay marriage would lead to legalizing beastiality and pedophilia?

I thought that is already afoot. I heard of a lawsuit in one state, probably California, where a guy wanted to marry his horse. The slippery slope has already been slipping. Reminds one of an old Little Richard song. On Specialty Records, of course.

[RushmoreAcademy]

A good friend of mine was the mascot around when I was there around the turn of the century.
I never got a free pizza represented by an empty box out of it though.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I thought that is already afoot. I heard of a lawsuit in one state, probably California, where a guy wanted to marry his horse. The slippery slope has already been slipping. Reminds one of an old Little Richard song. On Specialty Records, of course.

It was Missouri and the courts wouldn't even let him file his case. Real slippery

[GGGG]

It was Missouri and the courts wouldn't even let him file his case. Real slippery

LOL.  willie must not have heard *that* talking point.

[willie warrior]

LOL.  willie must not have heard *that* talking point.

Yeah, but it is coming. If you don't believe that you are not paying attention.

[ChicosBailBonds]

So fcc getting a request to ban redskin from network television = book burnings. We're you also one of those people who thought gay marriage would lead to legalizing beastiality and pedophilia?

My post had nothing to do with the FCC and certainly nothing to do with the rest of your post. 

[77ncaachamps]

In all honesty, you need to refer to old yearbooks in MU's online archives.

You may see some pics of mascots drawn or "live on field/court" in them.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

My post had nothing to do with the FCC and certainly nothing to do with the rest of your post. 

Uh huh

[rocket surgeon]

So fcc getting a request to ban redskin from network television = book burnings. We're you also one of those people who thought gay marriage would lead to legalizing beastiality and pedophilia?

either stretching it out a little or trolling?  don't take the bait chico!

[ChicosBailBonds]

either stretching it out a little or trolling?  don't take the bait chico!

I'm not. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

For reasons too boring to explain, I'm working on a project that requires me to use depictions of the mascots from certain schools between 1948 - 1952.  Pretty exact, huh? The Marquette mascot has been a huge sticking point for me. My research shows that the first physical mascot at any sporting event was Chief White Buck in 1954.

So am I right to assume that during the era that the Marquette teams were called the Hilltoppers and Golden Avalanche respectively, there was NEVER a physical mascot at any game? No sharply dressed dogs? Pigs? Goats?

I'm almost certain that there wasn't. It's not listed in any yearbook I've gone through or article I've seen.

I just thought I'd ask you guys, the experts.

You said it was boring an all, but why 1948 to 1952 as your time frame of study?   As to your question, my understanding is Golden Avalanche was the football team nickname for a certain period of years, basically starting in 1937.  Other teams used Hilltoppers. I don't know when Golden Avalanche went out of vogue, was it 1954 when we became the Warriors or was it sooner and the Hilltoppers was just used across the board?

Have you seen this article?
http://epublications.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=hist_4101_5101

[Galway Eagle]

Yeah, but it is coming. If you don't believe that you are not paying attention.

To Rush Limbaugh or real news?

[willie warrior]

To Rush Limbaugh or real news?

And just what is Real news? CNN or MSNBC?

[Aughnanure]

And just what is Real news? CNN or MSNBC?

Oh wow, willie, wow. You go have fun living in your right-wing talk radio bubble that has no grasp on reality.

[Dawson Rental]

You said it was boring an all, but why 1948 to 1952 as your time frame of study?   As to your question, my understanding is Golden Avalanche was the football team nickname for a certain period of years, basically starting in 1937.  Other teams used Hilltoppers. I don't know when Golden Avalanche went out of vogue, was it 1954 when we became the Warriors or was it sooner and the Hilltoppers was just used across the board?

Have you seen this article?
http://epublications.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=hist_4101_5101

It took 19 posts about a lot of other hooey, but finally a definitive answer!  Awesome Chicos.

[mu03eng]

Man, November can't get here fast enough for this board.  Even I was surprised how quickly this thread went off the rails given that it was mascot/nickname related. 

Great thing about this board, never know exactly what direction threads will derail because this one went a completely different direction than anticipated.

[Benny B]

Man, November can't get here fast enough for this board.  Even I was surprised how quickly this thread went off the rails given that it was mascot/nickname related. 

Great thing about this board, never know exactly what direction threads will derail because this one went a completely different direction than anticipated.

Give Chicos some credit... even though he was the one who initially steered the thread off course, he was the one who righted the ship (no pun intended).

The question is why he took it off course to begin with.

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[anubis266]

Thanks Chicos! I hadn't seen that specific article. It's very thorough, and the fact that they didn't mention an actual mascot before the warrior pretty much solidifies that they never had one. Just nicknames.

My understanding is that Hilltoppers has been the across-the-board name from the start, while yes, Golden Avalanche was just used for the football team. Apparently, their helmets were all gold and when they stormed the field, a newspaper reporter claimed it "looked like a golden avalanche".

As for my project, it basically boiled down to this. My grandfather collected hand-carved wooden statues of mascots that were sold in school bookstores between 1948-1952 and I've always liked their look. As a Big East fan, I was hoping to get a local woodcarver to make me a set of the current conference teams, and I wanted to make all of the statues have that vintage feel using depictions of what they would've looked like in the late 40's etc. I found a catalog from the original company that made these things, but it had no pictures, just listings of their items. They sold a Marquette Golden Avalanche statue, I just can't imagine what it was a carving of.

So that's the reasoning behind this question. Thanks for all the help! It took awhile to get there, but I appreciate the responses.

[willie warrior]

Oh wow, willie, wow. You go have fun living in your right-wing talk radio bubble that has no grasp on reality.

Now that...is a great defense of CNN and MSNBC. And you have no clue of what radio talk shows I might listen too. But I certainly can guess from your comments about "right wing" what wing you believe in.

And to quote the great Berenger/Barnes, "You talk about reality...I am reality"

[Coleman]

Now that...is a great defense of CNN and MSNBC. And you have no clue of what radio talk shows I might listen too. But I certainly can guess from your comments about "right wing" what wing you believe in.

And to quote the great Berenger/Barnes, "You talk about reality...I am reality"

I'll bite...what news media DO you consume? Radio, TV, otherwise?

[Aughnanure]

I'll bite...what news media DO you consume? Radio, TV, otherwise?

INFOWARS!!! Wake up sheeple!!!

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Those to whom I listen  speak the truth. Those who speak to your convictions spew lies

[mu03eng]

[mu72warrior]

Does Marquette have a Mascot?

[mu72warrior]

Now that I think about it, I'd rather have no mascot than that thing with the big pecker on it's face!!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Now that I think about it, I'd rather have no mascot than that thing with the big pecker on it's face!!

So many things that could be said....so little time....

[The Love House]

This yearbook photo from '46 shows that we did actually have a mascot prior to "Chief White Buck" in 1954.  His nickname was "Extremely White Buck".  Not sure I'd want a wood carving of that, though.