Lovell releases new statement re: McAdams

[keefe]

I guess you missed the dozens of other articles that were printed before Lovell's statement, which gave only McAdam's side of the story.

I know tons of people whose opinion of the issue  changed once they read Lovell's post. 

And at least now people in the University's camp have something to direct people to when their friends and acquaintances go off on Marquette based on incomplete information.

Didn't Lovell accomplish that when he announced the University's "official position" on the matter? Or were they "just kidding...here's what we really meant"?

Let McAdams spout off in public; Marquette should not debate a disgruntled employee.

Again, I go back to effects: What did Marquette really gain by having Lovell Tweet out a statement on an internal personnel matter?

From my vantage point he earned Marquette a nasty oped in the WSJ.

Frankly, I am not just unimpressed but disgusted that Mike Lovell lowered himself in the cesspool of public opinion.

[keefe]

I'm simply not willing to replace an approved process with a self-appointed defacto omsbudman. Perhaps we disagree. That's fine.

glow

Is the University President tweeting out about an internal personnel matter an "approved process?"

Because, like McAdams, Lovell made himself a de facto ombudsman by employing social media to comment publicly on an adverse personnel action.

Teddy Roosevelt said it best: "if you are given command, command!"

[jsglow]

glow

Is the University President tweeting out about an internal personnel matter an "approved process?"

Because, like McAdams, Lovell made himself a de facto ombudsman by employing social media to comment publicly on an adverse personnel action.

Teddy Roosevelt said it best: "if you are given command, command!"

Keefe, somehow you keep thinking I have an opinion on the PR aspect.  I simply have an opinion on the legitimacy of MU's disciplinary action.

[keefe]

Keefe, somehow you keep thinking I have an opinion on the PR aspect.  I simply have an opinion on the legitimacy of MU's disciplinary action.

Roger that

[ChicosBailBonds]

....again after McAdams made it public knowledge in his blog. Would it have come down otherwise?

Not a chance

[keefe]

To answer your question,  no, the Philosophy Department would not have addressed the issue in my opinion.  But I sincerely believe that the Dean would have if given the chance.  As an example,  recall how quickly the mural was dealt with.

Wasn't the mural there for years?

And the crackpot running that Gender program was a lunatic. One of the "textbooks" was a coloring book of vaginas...

"Wisconsin’s Marquette University will host a 12-week workshop on sex, feminism and masturbation, despite concerns that the workshop’s themes and activities clash with the school’s Catholic identity.

The workshop is produced by FemSex, a student-led group with a presence on many college campuses, and will be hosted in university buildings by the University Honors Program for its 12-week run. Each week will feature a different topic, such as “Masturbation, Orgasm, and Pleasure,” “Power and Privilege,” and “Gender and Identity.”

Participating students will complete raunchy homework assignments, like coloring anatomical pictures in “The aunt Coloring Book” and writing about their sexually pleasurable experiences, according to Campus Reform."


http://collegeinsurrection.com/2013/09/catholic-college-hosts-sex-workshop-featuring-ct-coloring-book/

[reinko]

Wasn't the mural there for years?

About 10 weeks.


http://m.jsonline.com/news/education/marquette-university-vows-to-remove-mural-of-fbi-fugitive-who-killed-trooper-b99502206z1-304102841.html

[GGGG]

Again, I go back to effects: What did Marquette really gain by having Lovell Tweet out a statement on an internal personnel matter?

I have answered the question repeatedly.  You choose to ignore it.  (Except for telling me what the CEO of Zipcar would do.    )  If you disagree with my response, that's fine.  However don't act like it hasn't been addressed.

From my vantage point he earned Marquette a nasty oped in the WSJ.

THE HORROR!!!!  This will have little impact on MU overall.  Only will serve to reinforce people who are "outraged."

Frankly, I am not just unimpressed but disgusted that Mike Lovell lowered himself in the cesspool of public opinion.

LOL.  I hope he finds a way to sleep at night.

He did great.  Hope he does it again.  Just hope that the likes of Chicos and yourself have a fainting couch handy.

[keefe]

I have answered the question repeatedly.  You choose to ignore it.  (Except for telling me what the CEO of Zipcar would do.    )  If you disagree with my response, that's fine.  However don't act like it hasn't been addressed.


THE HORROR!!!!  This will have little impact on MU overall.  Only will serve to reinforce people who are "outraged."


LOL.  I hope he finds a way to sleep at night.

He did great.  Hope he does it again.  Just hope that the likes of Chicos and yourself have a fainting couch handy.

We disagree and that's fine. No one is is incorrect. We all will act accordingly. I wrote a check earlier this year to another alma mater with a second's hesitation.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Wasn't the mural there for years?

Nope, but it would have been.  Thanks to McAdams bringing it to the attention of the public, it didn't live long. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

He did great.  Hope he does it again.  Just hope that the likes of Chicos and yourself have a fainting couch handy.

And I hope that the Catholic university I went to will actually allow students and faculty to express Catholic teachings and thoughts without being threatened, cut off, etc.

Wouldn't that be nice.

I, too, have donated to other alma maters of late.  MU calls on the phone, a ton, and I just don't answer.  Still love the school, but the lack of a principled back bone when it comes to Catholic dogma, teachings, etc, and cutting off people of faith, is just sickening.

[GGGG]

And I hope that the Catholic university I went to will actually allow students and faculty to express Catholic teachings and thoughts without being threatened, cut off, etc.

Holy sh*t.  Talk about ignoring the major issues... 

I can't even begin to address this.

[ChicosBailBonds]

MU alumni group criticizes Lovell

http://marquettewire.org/3947299/tribune/tribune-news/mcadams-officially-rejects-punishment-determined-by-president-lovell/


If folks want more information on the Louis Joliet Society, which is attempting to bring back Catholicism at Catholic universities, I invite to click here.

http://www.louisjolietsociety.com/

[ChicosBailBonds]

"It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the Magisterium is totally compatible with being a ‘good Catholic,’ and poses no obstacle to the reception of the Sacraments. This is a grave error that challenges the teaching of the Bishops in the United States and elsewhere."

Saint Pope John Paul II

[GGGG]

MU alumni group criticizes Lovell

http://marquettewire.org/3947299/tribune/tribune-news/mcadams-officially-rejects-punishment-determined-by-president-lovell/


If folks want more information on the Louis Joliet Society, which is attempting to bring back Catholicism at Catholic universities, I invite to click here.

http://www.louisjolietsociety.com/

Oh here we go again.  Chicos the victim parrots talking points that aren't really even the issue.

Abbate handled it wrong.  It was how McAdams' handled it after that which is the problem.  It's not about "political correctness."  It's not about rejection of Catholic teaching.

[muwarrior69]

Oh here we go again.  Chicos the victim parrots talking points that aren't really even the issue.

Abbate handled it wrong.  It was how McAdams' handled it after that which is the problem.  It's not about "political correctness."  It's not about rejection of Catholic teaching.

....but if they somehow get rid of McAdams they can continue the canard that Marquette is a Catholic University, because there will be no one who will speak to the hypocrisy, which I believe is their ultimate goal.

http://www.louisjolietsociety.com/secularization/signs-and-symptoms/

Thanks, Chico. I'll contribute to these folks rather than MU this time around. I find it curious that all the higher ups at MU have "Protected e-mail" I guess we the unwashed have no direct access to these folks.

[GGGG]

....but if they somehow get rid of McAdams they can continue the canard that Marquette is a Catholic University, because there will be no one who will speak to the hypocrisy, which I believe is their ultimate goal.

Right.  Marquette wants to no longer be Catholic and is getting rid of the ONE person that would speak toward that hypocrisy. 

There is no limit to people's warping of logic to excuse someone's sh*tty workplace behavior...

[warriorchick]

Right.  Marquette wants to no longer be Catholic and is getting rid of the ONE person that would speak toward that hypocrisy. 

There is no limit to people's warping of logic to excuse someone's sh*tty workplace behavior...

Next step...getting rid of all those pain-in-the-ass Jesuits...

[rocket surgeon]

Next step...getting rid of all those pain-in-the-ass Jesuits...

oh, we still have those?  interesting since not a word about this incident from any of them that i've heard anyway.  i'll bet they're holed up in the man cave of their new digs watching the exorcist in HD and surround sound or something

[warriorchick]

oh, we still have those?  interesting since not a word about this incident from any of them that i've heard anyway.  i'll bet they're holed up in the man cave of their new digs watching the exorcist in HD and surround sound or something

I don't know. ..maybe they support the school's position and took keefe's advice to keep their yappers shut.

And I really don't get the snark about the new Jes Res. It was financed 100% by a single donor and their old residence was literally falling down around them. I'm sure some of y'all would prefer to move the basketball team in there instead (It would be great for recruiting) But unfortunately the donor was shortsighted enough to make it a restricted gift, so that is all the university could spend it on.

[rocket surgeon]

I don't know. ..maybe they support the school's position and took keefe's advice to keep their yappers shut.

And I really don't get the snark about the new Jes Res. It was financed 100% by a single donor and their old residence was literally falling down around them. I'm sure some of y'all would prefer to move the basketball team in there instead (It would be great for recruiting) But unfortunately the donor was shortsighted enough to make it a restricted gift, so that is all the university could spend it on.

you call it snark, i call it havin a little fun-sorry, i should have tealed it.  i'm sure there are some mixed feelings.  that's why they brought in lovell-to handle the hot stuff-Ein'a

[keefe]

There is no limit to people's warping of logic to excuse someone's sh*tty workplace behavior...

Was it "workplace behavior?"

Seems to me McAdams did his blog on his own platform in his own time.

What I don't know is if he violated something contractual.

[MUsoxfan]

MU alumni group criticizes Lovell

http://marquettewire.org/3947299/tribune/tribune-news/mcadams-officially-rejects-punishment-determined-by-president-lovell/


If folks want more information on the Louis Joliet Society, which is attempting to bring back Catholicism at Catholic universities, I invite to click here.

http://www.louisjolietsociety.com/

It's good to know that this Catholic cause is cool for you to defend. I'll look for you to defend them all

[ChicosBailBonds]

It's good to know that this Catholic cause is cool for you to defend. I'll look for you to defend them all

You couldn't have missed this one if you had all day to think about it.  MU is a Catholic institution, the "support" I'm giving is to allow Catholic teachings and issues to be discussed, taught, etc....wait for it....at a Catholic institution without threats, stifling of speech, etc.    Does this mean I support or defend all Catholic positions?  Absolutely not...which is why you are so wrong here.    I'm trying to support the ability to have the dialogue at a supposedly Catholic institution where Catholics, today, are cut off from having Catholic positions....the irony.

[keefe]

You couldn't have missed this one if you had all day to think about it.  MU is a Catholic institution, the "support" I'm giving is to allow Catholic teachings and issues to be discussed, taught, etc....wait for it....at a Catholic institution without threats, stifling of speech, etc.    Does this mean I support or defend all Catholic positions?  Absolutely not...which is why you are so wrong here.    I'm trying to support the ability to have the dialogue at a supposedly Catholic institution where Catholics, today, are cut off from having Catholic positions....the irony.

From what I have read from sox he is neither that bright nor is he terribly open-minded. He does make a lot of noise, though.