Marquette played as expected and...

[CTWarrior]

Wojo is a very solid above average recruiter. He has assembled a fully stocked team capable of a top tier finish in the Big East .  He definitely is making good use of the tools and resources at his disposal. However , he is not a great recruiter which would imply a roster with enough quality to be a factor in the national conversation, top 15 high seed in tournament etc.

We have good players, but we don't have a high D-1 PG, post scorer or slashers  I suppose Howard, Cain and Anim are our best slashers, but they certainly have trouble doing that against the top tier teams.

[willie warrior]

Under Wojo's 'development' Morrow's game has regressed to a painfully bad level

Sort of like the awesome Australian last year, ayna? Wojo wizardry.

[avid1010]

Not sure I fit Rocky's post.  I'm starting to worry that those who feel Wojo can't coach are correct.  His results thus far (since being at MU) have not been what I expected and they don't look like a top 25 team to me right now.  I have not been impressed with a single game this year...that said...I also appreciate that Wojo doesnt pay players. 

[Goose]

CTWarrior
You are correct. We have good players, not great players. The talent level needs to be coached up for this group to have success this season. Going forward, Wojo needs to land much better talent or really up his coaching skills.

[Warrior1969]

What about ANIM?  Where has this guy been?  Looks like freshman year Anim???

[Silent Verbal]

What about ANIM?  Where has this guy been?  Looks like freshman year Anim???

For about a year no one even knew where he was.

[dgies9156]

I've laid low so far after last night. It was a debcale in that we went 10 minutes without a score. I don't care who you are playing, if you're leading by 12 at one point, something is really wrong when you go that long without scoring.

That's on the coach. Either your team is not the sum of its parts, but rather five guys wandering and looking for a score, or your coach doesn't have a clue. You just have to stop a long-lasting run, I don't care how talented the other team is.

I agree with Goose that we have a good team. Not a great one but a good one.

Everyone in this board HATES Bo "Dracula" Ryan, but he would have this team playing for the national championship. I don't think Dracula ever had a team with this much talent and yet he consistently won because his players knew their roles. As Goose says in another post, they have to be coached up. Dracula coached his teams up!

What Wojo needs is something the Hillbilly had in Jerry Wainwright -- a former head coach who knew the "X"s and "O"s of the college game. I like Stan but I think Wojo needs to augment his staff with someone like Jerry.

One final thought about last night: I think Wojo bit off more than he could chew this year. The scheduling of Kansas, Kansas State, Indiana, Wisconsin and now Louisville combined suggested he thought he had a lot more than he has shown so far this year. I gotta believe he thought he had a lot more than he does.

[Norm]

I didn't fact check the rest, but Syracuse was 7-2 in the NCAAs with a Final Four in 2016 & Sweet 16 in 2018.

You are correct. I will make the change to my post.

[Silent Verbal]

dgies,
Those last two Frank Kaminsky teams had way more talent than this MU team.  Thank god they didn’t win a National Championship.  Those teams were like the culmination of everything Bo had worked for over his entire career.  As much as I hate the Badgers, I’ll give credit where it’s due.

I just don’t think this MU team is that talented.  The Hausers and Howard are good players.  The rest of the guys range from “inconsistent” to “meh”.  We may need a better coach, but we need better players, too.

[patso]

Kansas went in at halftime and prepared. Wojo gave some speech he read in a motivational book and we got destroyed. I saw it from five rows away. I was a Wojo guy until now.

[dgies9156]

dgies,
Those last two Frank Kaminsky teams had way more talent than this MU team.  Thank god they didn’t win a National Championship.  Those teams were like the culmination of everything Bo had worked for over his entire career.  As much as I hate the Badgers, I’ll give credit where it’s due.

I just don’t think this MU team is that talented.  The Hausers and Howard are good players.  The rest of the guys range from “inconsistent” to “meh”.  We may need a better coach, but we need better players, too.

Brother Research, I am not sure whether I agree with the talent comparison or not. Time will tell and yes, thank God they did not win a NatChamp because they would be far worse than we are with our 1977 banner!

[NickelDimer]

Kansas went in at halftime and prepared. Wojo gave some speech he read in a motivational book and we got destroyed. I saw it from five rows away. I was a Wojo guy until now.

#coachingmattas

[GGGG]

Brother Research, I am not sure whether I agree with the talent comparison or not. Time will tell and yes, thank God they did not win a NatChamp because they would be far worse than we are with our 1977 banner!

That team had the national college player of the year and a top 20 player coming out of high school, both of whom were drafted in the first round that year.  That team had MUCH more talent than this MU team does.

I personally think Marquette's talent is a big overrated. 

[wadesworld]

Kansas went in at halftime and prepared. Wojo gave some speech he read in a motivational book and we got destroyed. I saw it from five rows away. I was a Wojo guy until now.

They had rows looking into the locker room?

[4everwarriors]

Kansas went in at halftime and prepared. Wojo gave some speech he read in a motivational book and we got destroyed. I saw it from five rows away. I was a Wojo guy until now.

Self adjusted at half, all Wojo apparently did was pray, hey?

[Floorslapper]

CTWarrior
You are correct. We have good players, not great players. The talent level needs to be coached up for this group to have success this season. Going forward, Wojo needs to land much better talent or really up his coaching skills.

This is it in a nutshell, and 15ish year's at K's side and now 4.5 on the job at MU - I'm afraid there isn't going to be much growth in Wojo's coaching chops. 

[79Warrior]

Self adjusted at half, all Wojo apparently did was pray, hey?

He better pray we don't lose Friday

[skianth16]

Oh God...someone is bringing up how much the University spends without context again....

What additional context should be added? Why would comparing the budgets not provide a fair comparison?

[GGGG]

What additional context should be added? Why would comparing the budgets not provide a fair comparison?

Marquette includes its rent payments for ff I’m its totals. Other schools don’t have such payments.

And it’s silly anyway. Marquette reaps all sorts of benefits from its investment in basketball.

[WhiteTrash]

Oh God...someone is bringing up how much the University spends without context again....

So true. Wojo has no resources. MU has no business being in the Big East. If MU could have a top 300 basketball budget then Wojo would have a chance at winning. Until MU commits to men's basketball, Wojo should have a job for life, or until he takes the Duke job.

[GGGG]

So true. Wojo has no resources. MU has no business being in the Big East. If MU could have a top 300 basketball budget then Wojo would have a chance at winning. Until MU commits to men's basketball, Wojo should have a job for life, or until he takes the Duke job.

<shaking my head>

So disappointing...

[Slick]

Let's be realistic. We played respectably with only 20 bad minutes vs. a much more talented team who should be ranked #1 or 2 next week. Defense was greatly improved. Let's wait and see how the next few weeks play out. This was much easier to watch than the last time we played in 2003.

[WarriorDad]

The last 4 years:

Duke: 117-32 (.785), 4 NCAAs (12-3, Champions 2015, Sweet 16 2016, 2nd Round 2017, Elite 8 2018)

Kentucky: 123-26 (.825) 4 NCAAs (10-4, Final Four 2015, 2nd Round 2016, Elite 8 2017, Sweet 16 2018)

Syracuse:81-54 (.600), 2 NCAAs (7-2, Final Four 2016, Sweet 16 2018), 1 NIT (1-1, 2nd Round 2017)

UCLA:89-48 (.649) 3 NCAAs (4-3, Sweet 16 2015 & 2017, First Four 2018)

Louisville: 97-40 (.708), 2 NCAAs (4-2, Elite 8 2015, 2nd Round 2017), 1 NIT (2-1, Quarterfinals 2016)

Marquette:73-58 (.557) 1 NCAA (0-1, First Round 2017), 1 NIT (2-1, Quarterfinals 2018)

Only one school in that bunch has not been in headlines the last 12 months for cheating, suspected of cheating, players mentioned in FBI probes, players stealing stuff overseas.

As you point out, all of those schools have won multiple championships and all have been to Final Fours since us.  To compare MU to those schools is beyond ridiculous.  They're all in better conferences, better recruiting areas, have largely been dominate for the last 50 years. NONE of those things are applicable to Marquette. NOT A DAMN SINGLE ONE.

We spend money like we do to even be in the conversation. We have to spend to be in the conversation, while those other schools have maintained for so long they don't have that extra hurdle.

[Daniel]

Under Wojo's 'development' Morrow's game has regressed to a painfully bad level

Well we heard before Morrow and Chartouny were very solid defensive players coming into MU.   Yes different conferences etc. but both very solid on D.   We have struggled on D as we all know for 4 years plus now.   And it seems the 2 solid D transfers have unlearned how to play D well.   But it is early in season.  Maybe all this will even put

[WarriorDad]

Well we heard before Morrow and Chartouny were very solid defensive players coming into MU.   Yes different conferences etc. but both very solid on D.   We have struggled on D as we all know for 4 years plus now.   And it seems the 2 solid D transfers have unlearned how to play D well.   But it is early in season.  Maybe all this will even put

I'll disagree.  The defense is better than last year.  We have lost to two very good teams.  No one stops Kansas' interior game. Not us, not Michigan State earlier this year, not anyone.  Our defense still isn't good, but it has gotten better.

Morrow is the biggest disappointment, but the season is young. He just seems lost, but perhaps that is because he is playing the 4 and not the 5.

Matt Heldt, played very well last night.  Good position defense. He isn't quick enough to do it for long periods, but he made it difficult for their guys to do anything down low.