This team needs to figure a bunch of stuff out

[GGGG]

Too many turnovers. Too many empty offensive possessions. Need a guy to step up and hit shots. Too many mental errors like missing box outs.

Still fighting through things.

[mugrack]

When will Buzz install an offense?

[madtownwarrior]

Unfortunately we will be forced to watch a team struggle with a PG who cannot create his own shot or make a contested layup.   .500 conference team.

[DegenerateDish]

Simply put, there's no alpha dog. MU may have a good season, make the tourney even.

I'll be shocked if this team is playing the second weekend come late March.

[mu_hilltopper]

If there's one stat that stands out .. it's the 315th ranking we have on 3-point%, 28% and dropping .. had 9% tonight.  

If we can't keep anyone honest outside the arc, it makes it ever tougher to score inside.

[mugrack]

Maybe Buzz has just installed a bad offense

[GGGG]

The issue isn't just the PG. Wilson isn't an all American by any means but it goes deeper than that.

[DegenerateDish]

I hate saying this because it's pointless, but tonight's game made Vander Blue's decision suck even more. This team is dying for someone like him.

[brewcity77]

The issue isn't just the PG. Wilson isn't an all American by any means but it goes deeper than that.

As stated earlier, Wilson is the least of our problems. We need consistent three-point shooters and we need guys that have been here for more than a year (*cough* Taylor *cough*) to understand where they need to be on both ends of the court. We need our scorers to consistently look for their shots. We don't need to rely on a freshman having a coming out party to stay in the game with a team that we are clearly better than. And of course, we don't need refs to hand the opponents 4 points in a tie game. But it shouldn't have come to that, because we are better than SDSU. We know it, and I'm pretty sure they know it too. Lots of time in the season. People were further down after the Green Bay game last year. We'll come back from this. Hardly a season-ender.

[esotericmindguy]

The issue isn't just the PG. Wilson isn't an all American by any means but it goes deeper than that.

I agree. Guy is a decent PG, better than I anticipated. It's that NO ONE can hit a shot. No driving lanes. Juan needs to hit open 3s or MU is starting 3 guys that cannot score the basketball. That doesn't work.

[nyg]

The bottom line right now is the team is not really that good yet.  The point guard doesn't have an outside shot (wow was SDSU sagging off on him or what), the shooting guard is a walk-on, the center team consists of a clumsy, good defensive player and at times a DG stud, the SF is a senior picked to be a BE second team and has had only one really good game, and the other forward is a role player.  Steve Taylor appears to have regressed, Mayo doesn't play enough and the rest are young.

Sometimes teams are just not as good as previous years and maybe this will be one of them, maybe not.  Still have to root like heck for them, even if a bad year is due. The staff should get the rotations down, but the outside shooting is just killing them now.

Tonight it was free throws, offensive boards putbacks and Thames draining those threes. 

 

[314warrior]

I hate saying this because it's pointless, but tonight's game made Vander Blue's decision suck even more. This team is dying for someone like him.

twisting the knife.

[BCHoopster]

As stated earlier, Wilson is the least of our problems. We need consistent three-point shooters and we need guys that have been here for more than a year (*cough* Taylor *cough*) to understand where they need to be on both ends of the court. We need our scorers to consistently look for their shots. We don't need to rely on a freshman having a coming out party to stay in the game with a team that we are clearly better than. And of course, we don't need refs to hand the opponents 4 points in a tie game. But it shouldn't have come to that, because we are better than SDSU. We know it, and I'm pretty sure they know it too. Lots of time in the season. People were further down after the Green Bay game last year. We'll come back from this. Hardly a season-ender.

What is happening is that Derrick is not being guarded so that makes MU play 4 on 5 most of the time, add O'Tule or Juan and you have  only 2 kids who can make shots.  It is to bad that Jamil Wilson doe not have the shooting confidence that Deonte has. He showed he is a potential big time player.  Loved seeing him hit a jump shot.  A good quick team takes Jake out of the game.  It
is obvious that JJJ needs more seasoning.  So saying all this Duane would have a great opportunity to change the O.  Thames and Carson both took it to MU, point guards that can score.  That is
all MU needs, to bad Devante had the flu.  These are all good games for MU to play early.  Get used to it, until Duane comes back they all will be tight, and I am not sure how Duane will fit in with
all this time off, much like Aaron Rodgers.

[DegenerateDish]

twisting the knife.

Completely sucks, if Marquette could make a "trade", it would be for a guy just like Blue. 100% sucks.

[djvern414]

Typically, MU is better than the sum of its parts.  This year hasn't necessarily proved that to be true yet.  Still need time to find the right formula and the straw that stirs the drink.  It's still early.  Haven't even started conference play yet. 

[MU82]

As stated earlier, Wilson is the least of our problems. We need consistent three-point shooters and we need guys that have been here for more than a year (*cough* Taylor *cough*) to understand where they need to be on both ends of the court. We need our scorers to consistently look for their shots. We don't need to rely on a freshman having a coming out party to stay in the game with a team that we are clearly better than. And of course, we don't need refs to hand the opponents 4 points in a tie game. But it shouldn't have come to that, because we are better than SDSU. We know it, and I'm pretty sure they know it too. Lots of time in the season. People were further down after the Green Bay game last year. We'll come back from this. Hardly a season-ender.

Sorry, but a team officially loses the right to complain about the refs when it has a decisive FT advantage but just can't hit the foul shots. (And it was decisive even though we only had 3 more FTs because a huge number of SDSU's came late in the game. And we'd have had plenty more but missed the front ends of 1-and-1s.)

Plus, there was Jake calling timeout because he couldn't inbound the ball and then promptly throwing the ball away for 2 points ... followed shortly afterward by Jamil calling timeout because he got trapped in the corner and then traveling while catching the inbounds pass.

You say we "clearly" were better than SDSU, but a better team doesn't simply give away at least a dozen points on free throws and awful turnovers. A better team also has a PG who doesn't completely disappear in the second half and has to be taken out of the game late (again) because he can't shoot while the opposing PG lights us up all night long. Derrick wasn't our main problem tonight, but he wasn't the "least of our problems" in the second half.

Oh, and nice game by Jamil. I think folks can stop being upset that he wasn't chosen one of the nation's top 100 players.

[karavotsos]

Don't care that Blue's gone.  Not worried about the 3-pt % to measure success.  They have to be able to overcome adversity and finish.  ASU and SDSU were 2 good road tests to help the team grow.  Think it only helps that Davante was sick.  I like watching this team and believe they have a lot of potential.  I agree that they have a lot to figure out.  Good thing its only December 1.

[forgetful]

I agree. Guy is a decent PG, better than I anticipated. It's that NO ONE can hit a shot. No driving lanes. Juan needs to hit open 3s or MU is starting 3 guys that cannot score the basketball. That doesn't work.

You do realize that the reason there are no driving lanes is because we are playing a PG that no one respects and sags 6 feet off of to pack the lane and block driving lanes right?

[brewcity77]

Sorry, but a team officially loses the right to complain about the refs when it has a decisive FT advantage but just can't hit the foul shots. (And it was decisive even though we only had 3 more FTs because a huge number of SDSU's came late in the game. And we'd have had plenty more but missed the front ends of 1-and-1s.)

Plus, there was Jake calling timeout because he couldn't inbound the ball and then promptly throwing the ball away for 2 points ... followed shortly afterward by Jamil calling timeout because he got trapped in the corner and then traveling while catching the inbounds pass.

You say we "clearly" were better than SDSU, but a better team doesn't simply give away at least a dozen points on free throws and awful turnovers. A better team also has a PG who doesn't completely disappear in the second half and has to be taken out of the game late (again) because he can't shoot while the opposing PG lights us up all night long. Derrick wasn't our main problem tonight, but he wasn't the "least of our problems" in the second half.

Oh, and nice game by Jamil. I think folks can stop being upset that he wasn't chosen one of the nation's top 100 players.

As mentioned in the other thread, Derrick lost efficiency when he got injured. A bit harsh to blame a kid for an injury. If anything, it shows how clearly not ready Dawson is since he couldn't get time even when Derrick was playing at half-strength.

[79Warrior]

As stated earlier, Wilson is the least of our problems. We need consistent three-point shooters and we need guys that have been here for more than a year (*cough* Taylor *cough*) to understand where they need to be on both ends of the court. We need our scorers to consistently look for their shots. We don't need to rely on a freshman having a coming out party to stay in the game with a team that we are clearly better than. And of course, we don't need refs to hand the opponents 4 points in a tie game. But it shouldn't have come to that, because we are better than SDSU. We know it, and I'm pretty sure they know it too. Lots of time in the season. People were further down after the Green Bay game last year. We'll come back from this. Hardly a season-ender.

Give me a break. We are better than the team that just beat us. That is garbage . So far we have yet to beat a team in the top 50. Not sure what you are watching.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

SDSU was a far more athletic team that played at a higher intensity which we didn't match. Thomas was covered pretty well and couldn't get a shot off in the second half.  Can't miss as many layups and free throws as we did and win games.

[MUSF]

I don't disagree with the subject or most of the posts in this thread. That stated, I think all of our issues are fixable. At least we aren't looking at a roster with a lack of talent or ability. If they don't get their act together this will certainly be a frustrating season, but the future (near and long term) still looks fairly bright.

[Markusquette]

Buzz needs to figure a lot out still too.  Was surprised he took Deonte out for a bit after he was the only one doing anything on offense.  After that performance and stretch alone he deserves a lot more time at the 2/3.  He can abuse other guards and even some bigs inside with his size and strength. 

[MUHoopsFan2]

Buzz needs to figure a lot out still too.  Was surprised he took Deonte out for a bit after he was the only one doing anything on offense.  After that performance and stretch alone he deserves a lot more time at the 2/3.  He can abuse other guards and even some bigs inside with his size and strength. 

No, I just finished watching that game and he had
Derrick Wilson in the game too long at the end when they need scoring. He did not play the defense vs offense switch with him with Mayo or him and Jake.

You need shooters on the floor in the close game that it was. With Wilson's too passive on offense you should have gone with the freshmen. Whatever it takes. 

Jamil was invisible. What is his problem. Where the hell was he? No presence at all in crunch time. Command the ball and attack the rim! That was a title game. You are a senior!

You coach when you are in the lead and you coach or learn how to chase, and to close, and finish. They chased pretty good, but did not have the closers and finishers on the floor.
He had managers...we did not need managers down by 5 under 2:00 minutes.

Too much safe passing the ball around the perimeter and everyone is scared to shoot from 3pt range to open it up down low.

The one guy who wasn't was the Freshman Deonte Burton.
You needed to have Jajuan Johnson or Juan Anderson or someone else in there with some size out there who can at least be a threat to open it up down low for Burton, Otule and Gardner.

Bad lineup on the floor the last 5 minutes down by 2 and eventually down by 5. To me Duane Wilson cannot get healthy fast enough.   

There were a few bad calls that really hurt, but if Jamil is going to play scared then get someone in there who can be willing to step up and finish off the game. Did he shoot one time in the second half????

Wake up Jamil!

[MUHoopsFan2]

No, I just finished watching that game and they had PG
Derrick Wilson in the game too long at the end when they need scoring. He did not play the defense vs offense switch with him with Mayo or him and Jake.

You need shooters on the floor in the close game that it was. With Wilson's too passive on offense you should have gone with the freshmen. Whatever it takes. 

Jamil was invisible. What is his problem. Where the hell was he? No presence at all in crunch time. Command the ball and attack the rim! That was a title game. You are a senior!

You coach when you are in the lead and you coach or learn how to chase, and to close, and finish. They chased pretty good, but did not have the closers and finishers on the floor.
He had managers...we did not need managers down by 5 under 2:00 minutes.

Too much safe passing the ball around the perimeter and everyone is scared to shoot from 3pt range to open it up down low.

Defense will keep them in games this year but they are going to win or go as far as their shooting and offensive execution will take them and how well they improve and who is the hot hand they should ride that game.

The one guy who wasn't was the Freshman Deonte Burton.
You needed to have Jajuan Johnson or Juan Anderson or someone else in there with some size out there who can at least be a threat to open it up down low for Burton, Otule and Gardner.

Bad lineup on the floor the last 5 minutes down by 2 and eventually down by 5. To me Duane Wilson cannot get healthy fast enough.   

There were a few bad calls that really hurt, but if Jamil is going to play scared then get someone in there who can be willing to step up and finish off the game. Did he shoot one time in the second half????

Wake up Jamil!