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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Silkk the Shaka on February 12, 2014, 09:10:46 PM
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http://indiana.247sports.com/Board/144/IU-Penn-State-post-game-thread-25864915
Oh man that thread has some hot fire. They are not happy about home losses to Northwestern & PSU with 2 McD's AAs on the squad. The chocking dogs in candy stripes peed away a 10 point lead tonight. High comedy.
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Didn't see it, but that's an epic meltdown by the Hoosiers. Not good. Helps MU.
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3 IU friends who taunted me when TC left for Btown texted me tonight. I'll politely say they are expiring some reservations about his coaching ability (but still say nice things about his marketing/PR, academics and recruiting)
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Didn't see it, but that's an epic meltdown by the Hoosiers. Not good. Helps MU.
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A "near bubble" team with a bad loss at home certainly helps us by clearing out the field.
Oh, and IU is tied for 9th in the B1G with Purdue.
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Year 6 of Crean at IU, home losses to Northwestern, Penn St, road loss at Nebraska.
In Year 6!
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Didn't see it, but that's an epic meltdown by the Hoosiers. Not good. Helps MU.
Good response, don't have to take it any further. Progress! You don't have to feed your trolls.
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A "near bubble" team with a bad loss at home certainly helps us by clearing out the field.
Oh, and IU is tied for 9th in the B1G with Purdue.
holy crap-one game out of last place- maybe Luke knew something...
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Next year will be an interesting one for Crean.
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Up 11, 3:19 to go, at home, against Penn State - 3 turnovers in the final 33 seconds. Unbelievable.
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Next year will be an interesting one for Crean.
Is he even assured a next year at this point?
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My wife, the lifelong Hoosier fan, watching last night's game.....Vonleh is the best frickin center in the Big 10! How can he only take 3 shots?!........I am so frickin tired of watching that stupid 3 man weave while he is open down low! ...... I know we're young, I know we've lost a lot, but c'mon! 11 point lead at home against Penn St?!?!?
I just nodded sympathetically.
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Not a good vibe at work today from IU fans...talks of selling their B1G Tourney Tickets, fear of going 1-6 down the stretch.
@Purdue 50/50
Iowa L
@NW 50/50 (give homecourt advantage)
@WI L
tOSU L
Neb 50/50 (give homecourt advantage)
@MICH L
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Is he even assured a next year at this point?
Yes, he has plenty of good will built up in Bloomington... plus I'm pretty sure his buy out is enormous (IIRC Chicos mentioned this).
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Yes, he has plenty of good will built up in Bloomington... plus I'm pretty sure his buy out is enormous (IIRC Chicos mentioned this).
He's totally fine for this year. If they miss the tournament next year (assuming they don't make it this year) things will get real dicey for Crean.
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Yes, he has plenty of good will built up in Bloomington... plus I'm pretty sure his buy out is enormous (IIRC Chicos mentioned this).
JayBee mentioned this. Perhaps more than once....
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A number of people went in last night and eff'd with Crean's Wikipedia page to hysterical results.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/595235681...595235762
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Yes, he has plenty of good will built up in Bloomington... plus I'm pretty sure his buy out is enormous (IIRC Chicos mentioned this).
Jay Bee broke the details on Crean's enormous buy out. Unless a T Boone Pickens shows up, the Hoosiers are stuck with TC (and Fred Glass) for at least a couple of years.
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He's totally fine for this year. If they miss the tournament next year (assuming they don't make it this year) things will get real dicey for Crean.
That's ppl at work said today. Contract is until 2020. Apparently the buyout is more manageable after next season if they move that route.
If he got terminated this year, they would owe him 8 million for next year I think I heard.
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That's ppl at work said today. Contract is until 2020. Apparently the buyout is more manageable after next season if they move that route.
If he got terminated this year, they would owe him 8 million for next year I think I heard.
Think it's almost double that, either 14 or 16 million.
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My IU friends hate him and can't wait for him to leave town
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Think it's almost double that, either 14 or 16 million.
It is...I think its like 8 million this year, then something like 1 million for the next 4 years then an additional 500k for the next 4 years. So 14...I'll try and find out more today.
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Yes, he has plenty of good will built up in Bloomington... plus I'm pretty sure his buy out is enormous (IIRC Chicos mentioned this).
Chicos also said he never shares account logins.
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Here is what I found (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8612449/indiana-hoosiers-sign-tom-crean-contract-extension (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8612449/indiana-hoosiers-sign-tom-crean-contract-extension)):
The buyout, Glass said, would cost $8 million over the next three years, then drops to $1 million in Year 4 and drops again to $500,000 over the final four years of the deal. School officials said additional contract details will be announce when the deal is formally signed.
This started in 2012, so if he got fired at the end of the year:
2012-2013: 8,000,000
2013-2014: 8,000,000
2014-2015: 8,000,000
2015-2016: 1,000,000
2016-2017: 500,000
2017-2018: 500,000
2018-2019: 500,000
2019-2020: 500,000
Does that make sense?
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Here is what I found (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8612449/indiana-hoosiers-sign-tom-crean-contract-extension (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8612449/indiana-hoosiers-sign-tom-crean-contract-extension)):
The buyout, Glass said, would cost $8 million over the next three years, then drops to $1 million in Year 4 and drops again to $500,000 over the final four years of the deal. School officials said additional contract details will be announce when the deal is formally signed.
This started in 2012, so if he got fired at the end of the year:
2012-2013: 8,000,000
2013-2014: 8,000,000
2014-2015: 8,000,000
2015-2016: 1,000,000
2016-2017: 500,000
2017-2018: 500,000
2018-2019: 500,000
2019-2020: 500,000
Does that make sense?
So after 2015-2016, its relatively cheap to fire him. Yeah, I'd say he has two more years to get his sh!t together...
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It is...I think its like 8 million this year, then something like 1 million for the next 4 years then an additional 500k for the next 4 years. So 14...I'll try and find out more today.
I don't think you add the amounts. His buyout totals are one time payouts, so if he's fired in 4 years the TOTAL buyout is 500,000, not 500,000 per year for several years. His reported buyout for this year is 8 million, but according to Jay Bee (I think), that figure was increased to 14 million in TC's latest renegotiation/extension. Makes him almost impossible to fire.
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The public was fooled. Pleasant Avenue explained to Late Night Hoops long ago.
http://latenighthoops.com/crean-buyout/#.UvzZb0JdUTj (http://latenighthoops.com/crean-buyout/#.UvzZb0JdUTj)
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I do enjoy these threads, similar to ones a few years ago. They seem to come out when IU loses a game like this, but when IU beats really good teams they don't....don't worry, I get it...just an observation.
Last night was awful...haven't seen something that bad (watched the meltdown later on DVR) since I was in San Jose witnessing MU crumble to Washington in the NCAAs....at least in that one it was to a NCAA team. The one where Bobby Knight's team blew a 9 point lead with about 55 seconds left a few years after I had departed IU was epic as well.
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Chicos also said he never shares account logins.
No, actually I didn't. In fact, I admitted to sharing Hoop's account. Try again.
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I do enjoy these threads, similar to ones a few years ago. They seem to come out when IU loses a game like this, but when IU beats really good teams they don't....don't worry, I get it...just an observation.
Last night was awful...haven't seen something that bad (watched the meltdown later on DVR) since I was in San Jose witnessing MU crumble to Washington in the NCAAs....at least in that one it was to a NCAA team. The one where Bobby Knight's team blew a 9 point lead with about 55 seconds left a few years after I had departed IU was epic as well.
Louisville was another beauty of a choke job a few years back. Single most embarrassing loss I can remember.
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I do enjoy these threads, similar to ones a few years ago. They seem to come out when IU loses a game like this, but when IU beats really good teams they don't....don't worry, I get it...just an observation.
Last night was awful...haven't seen something that bad (watched the meltdown later on DVR) since I was in San Jose witnessing MU crumble to Washington in the NCAAs....at least in that one it was to a NCAA team. The one where Bobby Knight's team blew a 9 point lead with about 55 seconds left a few years after I had departed IU was epic as well.
I know this is an IU thread but if we're talking bad loses the Louisville one has was a real kick in the balls. Blowing a 17 point lead with 5 minutes left, ouch
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I know this is an IU thread but if we're talking bad loses the Louisville one has was a real kick in the balls. Blowing a 17 point lead with 5 minutes left, ouch
Wait, an IU thread on a MU board......
Not to quibble, but it was an 18 point lead in 5 minutes..... http://www.anonymouseagle.com/2011/1/15/1937133/louisville-71-marquette-70-character-exposed
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The public was fooled. Pleasant Avenue explained to Late Night Hoops long ago.
http://latenighthoops.com/crean-buyout/#.UvzZb0JdUTj (http://latenighthoops.com/crean-buyout/#.UvzZb0JdUTj)
Exactly. They owe him $14 mil if they fire him this year. Even if Vonleh leaves and they suck again next year, they owe him $12 mil. Savvy negotiating on his part. Maybe he's tanking on purpose to get an early retirement package and a cushy announcing gig?
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Wait, an IU thread on a MU board......
Not to quibble, but it was an 18 point lead in 5 minutes..... http://www.anonymouseagle.com/2011/1/15/1937133/louisville-71-marquette-70-character-exposed
Why didn't you link to the Cracked Sidewalks recap?
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I do enjoy these threads, similar to ones a few years ago. They seem to come out when IU loses a game like this, but when IU beats really good teams they don't....don't worry, I get it...just an observation.
The only other non-MU wins worth noting are Texas wins.
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Last night was awful...haven't seen something that bad (watched the meltdown later on DVR) since I was in San Jose witnessing MU crumble to Washington in the NCAAs....at least in that one it was to a NCAA team. The one where Bobby Knight's team blew a 9 point lead with about 55 seconds left a few years after I had departed IU was epic as well.
The "crumble" to Washington was comparable to IU's collapse last night? Really? The Wash/MU game was actually one of the best played games of the NCAA tournament that year. By both teams. MU started the 2nd half with a great run to open a 15 point lead with 14 minutes left. Washington responded with an equally great run to turn the game into a nail biter for the final 9 minutes. Neither team led by more than 4 in those 9 minutes and they nipped us at the wire. For the game, we shot 52.9% from the field and a spectacular 63.2% from 3. Washington was even better, 54.5% overall and 64.3% from 3. Despite the up and down nature of the game, only 12 turnovers from each team. Washington followed their 2 point win over us with a rout of the 3 seed (Memphis?) in the next round.
Indiana led by 11. With 3:19 left. At home. To Penn St. IU had 5 TOs in the last 3 minutes and an astonishing 3 in the final 33 seconds. No crumble vs epic crumble. No comparison whatsoever.
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The "crumble" to Washington was comparable to IU's collapse last night? Really? The Wash/MU game was actually one of the best played games of the NCAA tournament that year. By both teams. MU open the 2nd half with a great run to open a 15 point lead with 14 minutes left. Washington responded with an equally great run to turn the game into a nail biter for the final 9 minutes. Neither team led by more than 4 in those 9 minutes and they nipped us at the wire. For the game, we shot 52.9% from the field and a spectacular 63.2% from 3. Washington was even better, 54.5% overall and 64.3% from 3. Despite the up and down nature of the game, only 12 turnovers from each team. Washington followed their 2 point win over us with a rout of the 3 seed (Memphis?) in the next round.
Indiana led by 11. With 3:19 left. At home. To Penn St. IU had 5 TOs in the last 3 minutes and an astonishing 3 in the final 33 seconds. No comparison whatsoever.
I guess you didn't read the part where I said "at least in that one it was to a NCAA team"
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I guess you didn't read the part where I said "at least in that one it was to a NCAA team"
I absolutely did. One small qualifier, however, doesn't make your comparison much less preposterous.
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The interest in the LNH article has grown significantly in the past few days, especially the last 24 hours.
Still many doubters (Chicos was for a short while), but PAA & LNH are professionals.
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Yes, he has plenty of good will built up in Bloomington... plus I'm pretty sure his buy out is enormous (IIRC Chicos mentioned this).
All that can change once you reach a certain level. Has the tone toward Buzz changed this year? Yup. Does Buzz have good will built up in Milwaukee...yup. If Buzz fails to make the NCAAs this year will that take a hit...yup.
All part of expectations in big boy basketball. The good will TC had in Bloomington was the rebuilding project, which is why all the comments (laughable as they were here) about him getting axed in year 3 or 4 were just that....whacked. But once you get over the mountain, the expectations change. Ask Ben Howland. No different than anywhere else. Mike Scioscia going through it here with the Angels...it's a what have you done for me lately world, especially once the rebuild is done.
No different if Buzz struggles....though granted, MU isn't IU and never will be from an expectations point of view.
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Year 6 of Crean at IU, home losses to Northwestern, Penn St, road loss at Nebraska.
In Year 6!
Well, losing NBA first round talent can hurt a program.
crap, MU did some addition by subtraction along with losing D-League talent and they've done a great job of being painfully mediocre. It happens.
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Year 6 of Crean at IU, home losses to Northwestern, Penn St, road loss at Nebraska.
In Year 6!
Year 6 at MU, and we might not make the tournament this year either. IN YEAR 6!
In all honesty, I'm not sure what year 6 has anything to do with it, or year 10, or year 15. Wasn't Barnes going to be fired any day from Texas last year....wasn't that beyond year 6? How did Coach Cal go from winning national title to NIT? How did Brad Stevens go from Championship games back to back to CBI tournament?
You lose talent, bring in young guys, doesn't always happen for you. In this case, they didn't just lose talent, they lost a ton, but it's always fun to come back to these threads down the road.
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Well, losing NBA first round talent can hurt a program.
crap, MU did some addition by subtraction along with losing D-League talent and they've done a great job of being painfully mediocre. It happens.
Indiana's sophomore class (they called themselves "The Movement") was ranked #6. Their freshman class was rated #6 also. Michigan's sophomore class was ranked #9 and the top player from that class (Mitch McGarry) is out for the season. Michigan freshman class was ranked #13. Indiana has a little help from their upperclassmen (mainly Sheehey), Michigan almost none. Two McDonald's All Americans at IU, none at Michigan. Both lost their top two players to the pros. Yet It's Indiana is near the bottom of the BIG and Michigan at the top. Interesting.
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Indiana's sophomore class (they called themselves "The Movement") was ranked #6. Their freshman class was rated #6 also. Michigan's sophomore class was ranked #9 and the top player from that class (Mitch McGarry) is out for the season. Michigan freshman class was ranked #13. Indiana has a little help from their upperclassmen (mainly Sheehey), Michigan almost none. Two McDonald's All Americans at IU, none at Michigan. Both lost their top two players to the pros. Yet It's Indiana is near the bottom of the BIG and Michigan at the top. Interesting.
That's nice. Erik Williams was a top 100 player, Juan Anderson was as well (96th). This just in, recruiting rankings are like preseason poll rankings....WORTHLESS. Jamil Wilson was 40th...is he playing at that level? Is that due to coaching or a miss in the rankings...or both?
But say these rankings are accurate, as you want to portray. This year's MU freshman class was ranked 7th in the country...so are you going to say that we should be besting EVERYONE in our league in the coming years that have lesser recruiting class rankings? Or are you going to change the standard you are applying to IU?
Just checking for consistency.
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Update: the masses are learning from LNH.
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That's nice. Erik Williams was a top 100 player, Juan Anderson was as well (96th). This just in, recruiting rankings are like preseason poll rankings....WORTHLESS. Jamil Wilson was 40th...is he playing at that level? Is that due to coaching or a miss in the rankings...or both?
But say these rankings are accurate, as you want to portray. This year's MU freshman class was ranked 7th in the country...so are you going to say that we should be besting EVERYONE in our league in the coming years that have lesser recruiting class rankings? Or are you going to change the standard you are applying to IU?
Just checking for consistency.
Of course they're not 100% accurate. And already from our 10th ranked class we've lost McKay. And Duane Wilson didn't play this year. Stuff happens that changes every team's expectations.
Here's the thing, the parallels between Michigan and Indiana this year were remarkable. They both relied heavily on underclassmen. They both had highly regarded freshman and sophomore classes. Before the injury to McGarry, expectations were similar (I think Michigan was 21 and IU was 25 in the coaches poll). It's very rare when two teams in a conference begin the season looking like mirror images of one another and rarer still when those teams move in totally different directions. Two houses built in the same subdivision using the same materials. One ends up in Architectural Digest and the other has structural damage. I think that's interesting and it makes me wonder why.
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Update: the masses are learning from LNH.
The masses?
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Maybe Jeff Goodman wrote this article.
http://coachperryhunter.blogspot.com/2014/02/fire-tom-crean.html
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Of course they're not 100% accurate. And already from our 10th ranked class we've lost McKay. And Duane Wilson didn't play this year. Stuff happens that changes every team's expectations.
Here's the thing, the parallels between Michigan and Indiana this year were remarkable. They both relied heavily on underclassmen. They both had highly regarded freshman and sophomore classes. Before the injury to McGarry, expectations were similar (I think Michigan was 21 and IU was 25 in the coaches poll). It's very rare when two teams in a conference begin the season looking like mirror images of one another and rarer still when those teams move in totally different directions. Two houses built in the same subdivision using the same materials. One ends up in Architectural Digest and the other has structural damage. I think that's interesting and it makes me wonder why.
IU beat Michigan...right? It's cute that you are actually suggesting that the "same materials" are in play as if these are pieces of wood or steel. Please.
I'll ask again, since we have the 7th ranked recruiting class you're going to use the same standard for MU...right...I mean, afterall it's the same "materials" being used.
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IU beat Michigan...right?
Yes they did. Beat Wisconsin too. As I said in my post, plenty of talent, similar or better than Michigan's. And just as experienced as the Wolverines. Makes one wonder why that talent shows up so infrequently.
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Yes they did. Beat Wisconsin too. As I said in my post, plenty of talent, similar or better than Michigan's. And just as experienced as the Wolverines. Makes one wonder why that talent shows up so infrequently.
You didn't answer the other part....are these teams playing with robots, since they are the same "materials" or in actuality is every player a human being, different in their skills, abilities, etc and the ratings can be off the charts bad?
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You didn't answer the other part....are these teams playing with robots, since they are the same "materials" or in actuality is every player a human being, different in their skills, abilities, etc and the ratings can be off the charts bad?
Yes, and they're also be coached and led by human beings, different in their skills, abilities, etc. I'm pretty sure that's (one of) the point(s) Lenny is trying to make.
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The problem with Crean is the same as when he was at MU. When it comes down to really being a big-time coach - 2nd half and especially the last 5 minutes, he is an utter failure. In the last four losses, they led at halftime.
That's why even though I appreciated what he did at MU, I wasn't said to see him go. He is absolutely a coach in the same class as Digger Phelps. Digger couldn't even win a title with 6 future NBAers on his squad. Crean is cut from the same cloth.
They want to control the last 5 minutes - they're just not good enough to do it.
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The problem with Crean is the same as when he was at MU. When it comes down to really being a big-time coach - 2nd half and especially the last 5 minutes, he is an utter failure. In the last four losses, they led at halftime.
That's why even though I appreciated what he did at MU, I wasn't said to see him go. He is absolutely a coach in the same class as Digger Phelps. Digger couldn't even win a title with 6 future NBAers on his squad. Crean is cut from the same cloth.
They want to control the last 5 minutes - they're just not good enough to do it.
Agree. Crean could get the talent, and bring a program up to respectability, but he's not a closer.
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You didn't answer the other part....are these teams playing with robots, since they are the same "materials" or in actuality is every player a human being, different in their skills, abilities, etc and the ratings can be off the charts bad?
I didn't answer the other part because you hadn't edited your post yet. But sure, ratings can be off the charts bad. I don't know whether the guys TC recruited were overrated, the guys John B recruited were underrated, TC did a bad job coaching his guys up, JB did a superior job coaching his guys up, or some kind of combination of the four. I just thought it was so rare and interesting that two teams could be thought of as so alike yet turn out so differently.
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No, actually I didn't. In fact, I admitted to sharing Hoop's account. Try again.
You only admitted after your hand got stuck in the cookie jar. How noble.
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Yes, and they're also be coached and led by human beings, different in their skills, abilities, etc. I'm pretty sure that's (one of) the point(s) Lenny is trying to make.
On this, we agree, but you can't deny the fact that all players are not equal, or even class rankings.
I'm still waiting, if this is the standard that he is holding IU at...the #6 recruiting class should have produced X by year 2 (this year), then certainly the same standard should be held of MU's #7 recruiting class and we have no business being rated behind anyone with a lesser recruiting class. What's good for the goose....
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I didn't answer the other part because you hadn't edited your post yet. But sure, ratings can be off the charts bad. I don't know whether the guys TC recruited were overrated, the guys John B recruited were underrated, TC did a bad job coaching his guys up, JB did a superior job coaching his guys up, or some kind of combination of the four. I just thought it was so rare and interesting that two teams could be thought of as so alike yet turn out so differently.
So you're going to hold MU and their #7 recruiting class to the same standard....especially since Buzz is a better coach...right?
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The problem with Crean is the same as when he was at MU. When it comes down to really being a big-time coach - 2nd half and especially the last 5 minutes, he is an utter failure. In the last four losses, they led at halftime.
That's why even though I appreciated what he did at MU, I wasn't said to see him go. He is absolutely a coach in the same class as Digger Phelps. Digger couldn't even win a title with 6 future NBAers on his squad. Crean is cut from the same cloth.
They want to control the last 5 minutes - they're just not good enough to do it.
I'm curious what utter failure means? If I understand you correctly, this would mean he fails all the time in the last 5 minutes, second half and big games (your definition)...I mean, how else can you interpret UTTER FAILURE. Or maybe you need to backtrack a bit. Plenty of MU and IU wins over the years coming from behind in the second half, winning in the last few minutes, etc....or are you parsing and selectively choosing the losses and ignoring the wins...as I suspect many here do often.
For an utter failure, it's strange how many big wins, come from behind wins and late game wins they have had over the years...being an utter failure and such. ;)
Look, Crean is not a great coach, he's a very good coach and he has many peccadillo's. The problem is the hyperbole that some of you come up with is off the charts. Good to read Kent Sterling tonight, a great sports writer with an ounce of sanity.
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Look, Crean is not a great coach, he's a very good coach and he has many peccadillo's.
A peccadillo is a white lie to protect another's feelings. Crean suffers from a profound lack of character.
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A peccadillo is a white lie to protect another's feelings. Crean suffers from a profound lack of character.
got the water dripping from a rain forest palm branch in the flux capacitor to power the old laptop, a'ina?
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got the water dripping from a rain forest palm branch in the flux capacitor to power the old laptop, a'ina?
Clean water is happening on the eastern slope of Tungurahua. One down, couple million more to go...
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Clean water is happening on the eastern slope of Tungurahua. One down, couple million more to go...
glad you're back bro. without you, ners was running this joint. lmfao.
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Good to hear you're back Keefe.
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Bold prediction from co-worker this morning: Crean fired next year, Steven leaves Celtics to coach IU.
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Bold prediction from co-worker this morning: Crean fired next year, Steven leaves Celtics to coach IU.
Indiana was my second favorite team until TC took over so I'd love for it to happen - but don't hold your breath
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Crean's next gig will be coachin' DIII Gannon College and drivin' the team minivan to games in western PA.
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Clean water is happening on the eastern slope of Tungurahua. One down, couple million more to go...
Welcome home. This joint isn't the same without you.
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A peccadillo is a white lie to protect another's feelings. Crean suffers from a profound lack of character.
In many areas on him you are correct, and in some areas that wouldn't be the case. Sometimes people don't always see what one is doing for others.
http://coachperryhunter.blogspot.com/2014/02/fire-tom-crean.html
The bigger question for Michigan fans is why they can't figure TC out....their kryptonite.
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In many areas on him you are correct, and in some areas that wouldn't be the case. Sometimes people don't always see what one is doing for others.
http://coachperryhunter.blogspot.com/2014/02/fire-tom-crean.html
The bigger question for Michigan fans is why they can't figure TC out....their kryptonite.
Cue the "Crean only does it for PR and probably paid this guy to make it public" responses in 3, 2, 1................
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Last night's debacle will lead some people to drink....including the players.
http://ux.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2014/02/14/indiana-basketballs-hanner-mosquera-perea-arrested-on-owi/5481287/
I see a big suspension coming
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Official prediction:
Crean is whacked after the 2015-2016 season. Buzz hires him back as an assistant, his main duties are diet pepsi procurement, altitude chamber and tanning bed maintenance.
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In many areas on him you are correct, and in some areas that wouldn't be the case. Sometimes people don't always see what one is doing for others.
http://coachperryhunter.blogspot.com/2014/02/fire-tom-crean.html
The bigger question for Michigan fans is why they can't figure TC out....their kryptonite.
Nice article. It was very kind of Crean to allow a student going blind to attend an IU game. I say waive the waiting period and put him up for sainthood along with John Paul II.
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Last night's debacle will lead some people to drink....including the players.
http://ux.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2014/02/14/indiana-basketballs-hanner-mosquera-perea-arrested-on-owi/5481287/
I see a big suspension coming
Maybe an excuse to crean a guy who was a 4* but has been a major disappointment.i
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Bold prediction from co-worker this morning: Crean fired next year, Steven leaves Celtics to coach IU.
That's bold.
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So you're holding MU and their 7th rated recruiting class to the same standard...........
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So you're holding MU and their 7th rated recruiting class to the same standard...........
In the rankings I saw, Marquette was actually #10, but whatever.
To answer your question. If, like Indiana, Marquette has:
1.Back to back top 6 recruiting classes with multiple McDonald's All Americans
2.All the recruits arrive on campus and stay
3.All the recruits are healthy
And if those circumstances for Marquette, like Indiana yield:
1. A 4-7 conference record.
Yes, I will hold Marquette to the same standard. Like IU fans, I will be very disappointed.
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glad you're back bro. without you, ners was running this joint. lmfao.
Gotta have a beer with you ZFB. Great line.
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interesting IU discussion over on the other board - looks like Dodds still defending tanned one...imagine that...
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He'll most assuredly survive through next year at least...losing 2 of top 3 guys (Vonleh and Sheehey) along with Fischer, and now likely the drunk driving guy, which isn't a huge hit, will buy him another year of having to rebuild, and he will be afforded that opportunity because of how much they are losing. The problem I suppose is they are losing top guys off a team that isn't particularly good.
Where he could ultimately be in trouble is that Indiana is supposed to be up there with Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas...they simply haven't been. Even in their best year in forever they only reached the Elite 8 (or was is Sweet 16? I don't recall). So in 7 years, its shaping up that they will have had one pretty good year, and 6 years of rebuilding combined. That isn't very good.
In the last 6 years, Kansas, UNC, and Kentucky have all won a national Championship and been to a FF. BTW so has Louisville. MSU has been to 2 FFs, so has UConn, and Duke has been to one. My point? Of course you are going to have down years when you lose a lot - see Kentucky. Of course some of those teams haven't really had down years at all. The difference seems to be that when down years for the elite programs happen, they have largely enjoyed big time success. In IU's case they are looking at a down year, and very possibly a second following somewhat modest success. They won the Big 10 and obviously had a very good team, but simply not reaching the level of success that is their standard. One can argue looking at the teams above if those standards are appropriate, but appropriate or not, they exist.
Of course the good news is that in college ball, you are always one big time player away from changing your fortunes. Don't know if he will get that big time player any time soon, but to a outsider like me, at themoment, the trajectory doesn't exactly appear to be one of maintaining greatness. Next 18 months or so may tell the tale.
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He'll most assuredly survive through next year at least...losing 2 of top 3 guys (Vonleh and Sheehey) along with Fischer, and now likely the drunk driving guy, which isn't a huge hit, will buy him another year of having to rebuild, and he will be afforded that opportunity because of how much they are losing. The problem I suppose is they are losing top guys off a team that isn't particularly good.
Where he could ultimately be in trouble is that Indiana is supposed to be up there with Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas...they simply haven't been. Even in their best year in forever they only reached the Elite 8 (or was is Sweet 16? I don't recall). So in 7 years, its shaping up that they will have had one pretty good year, and 6 years of rebuilding combined. That isn't very good.
In the last 6 years, Kansas, UNC, and Kentucky have all won a national Championship and been to a FF. BTW so has Louisville. MSU has been to 2 FFs, so has UConn, and Duke has been to one. My point? Of course you are going to have down years when you lose a lot - see Kentucky. Of course some of those teams haven't really had down years at all. The difference seems to be that when down years for the elite programs happen, they have largely enjoyed big time success. In IU's case they are looking at a down year, and very possibly a second following somewhat modest success. They won the Big 10 and obviously had a very good team, but simply not reaching the level of success that is their standard. One can argue looking at the teams above if those standards are appropriate, but appropriate or not, they exist.
Of course the good news is that in college ball, you are always one big time player away from changing your fortunes. Don't know if he will get that big time player any time soon, but to a outsider like me, at themoment, the trajectory doesn't exactly appear to be one of maintaining greatness. Next 18 months or so may tell the tale.
IU hasn't kept pace with the Elite programs for the last 20 years.
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IU hasn't kept pace with the Elite programs for the last 20 years.
No, but their 5 year plan was supposed to change that. It's what Crean was hired to do.
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No, but their 5 year plan was supposed to change that. It's what Crean was hired to do.
"It's not quite Indiana! It's not quite Indiana!"
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In the rankings I saw, Marquette was actually #10, but whatever.
To answer your question. If, like Indiana, Marquette has:
1.Back to back top 6 recruiting classes with multiple McDonald's All Americans
2.All the recruits arrive on campus and stay
3.All the recruits are healthy
And if those circumstances for Marquette, like Indiana yield:
1. A 4-7 conference record.
Yes, I will hold Marquette to the same standard. Like IU fans, I will be very disappointed.
When is MU going to play a Big Ten conference schedule? Just curious
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He'll most assuredly survive through next year at least...losing 2 of top 3 guys (Vonleh and Sheehey) along with Fischer, and now likely the drunk driving guy, which isn't a huge hit, will buy him another year of having to rebuild, and he will be afforded that opportunity because of how much they are losing. The problem I suppose is they are losing top guys off a team that isn't particularly good.
Where he could ultimately be in trouble is that Indiana is supposed to be up there with Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas...they simply haven't been. Even in their best year in forever they only reached the Elite 8 (or was is Sweet 16? I don't recall). So in 7 years, its shaping up that they will have had one pretty good year, and 6 years of rebuilding combined. That isn't very good.
In the last 6 years, Kansas, UNC, and Kentucky have all won a national Championship and been to a FF. BTW so has Louisville. MSU has been to 2 FFs, so has UConn, and Duke has been to one. My point? Of course you are going to have down years when you lose a lot - see Kentucky. Of course some of those teams haven't really had down years at all. The difference seems to be that when down years for the elite programs happen, they have largely enjoyed big time success. In IU's case they are looking at a down year, and very possibly a second following somewhat modest success. They won the Big 10 and obviously had a very good team, but simply not reaching the level of success that is their standard. One can argue looking at the teams above if those standards are appropriate, but appropriate or not, they exist.
Of course the good news is that in college ball, you are always one big time player away from changing your fortunes. Don't know if he will get that big time player any time soon, but to a outsider like me, at themoment, the trajectory doesn't exactly appear to be one of maintaining greatness. Next 18 months or so may tell the tale.
IU hasn't been at the level of any of those teams for 20 years. Where you start from, matters. UNC, KU, UK, Duke have kept momentum going the last 2 decades. IU couldn't get past the first weekend for most of Bob Knight's last ten years...and that was a long time ago. Then Mike Davis, Sampson, NCAA violations, etc.
Fred Glass was pretty good on the radio this morning. It's amazing how a coach can go from Big Ten COY and National COY 2 years ago to an UTTER FAILURE by some. Kind of funny. Then again, this is the same board that said he would be fired in year three, that Jay Wright needed to be fired (he's currently looking at a #1 seed), the same board that thinks KO walks on water and he's been a failure everywhere he has been sans MU (which was at our lowest point ever, could only go up).
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When is MU going to play a Big Ten conference schedule? Just curious
You mean the one that gives us the chance to lose to Northwestern and Penn State at home? Never.
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IU hasn't been at the level of any of those teams for 20 years.
Precisely the point, Jams. Tom Crean was hired to return IU basketball to Valhalla. A couple Sweet Sixteens followed up with an NIT is not what the taxpayers of Indiana had in mind for the significant investment they have made over six years.
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To be fair, the past 2 years have been really good at IU. For a team that was so far down, the 2011-2012 team was a great ride and while I expected them to crash and burn in the tournament, they played very well.
While last year was disappointing in the team didn't play well at all the last month despite two top 5 draft picks, its hard to consider last year a disappointing.
That said, its too early to ask when MU is going to play a Big 10 type schedule. They haven't this year, but they've been playing a schedule every bit as good as the Big 10 since they joined the Big East.
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Precisely the point, Jams. Tom Crean was hired to return IU basketball to Valhalla. A couple Sweet Sixteens followed up with an NIT is not what the taxpayers of Indiana had in mind for the significant investment they have made over six years.
Correct. They didn't give the guy an $8Million buyout so they can perform at the level of Marquette and Wisconsin. For the amount of time and money invested, right or wrong, the expectation is Kanasas and Kentucky.
They had a five year plan that we've heard a lot about here, and it worked pretty well. Unfortunately, it looks lie they didn't update that plan once the five years were up.
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Correct. They didn't give the guy an $8Million buyout so they can perform at the level of Marquette and Wisconsin. For the amount of time and money invested, right or wrong, the expectation is Kanasas and Kentucky.
They had a five year plan that we've heard a lot about here, and it worked pretty well. Unfortunately, it looks lie they didn't update that plan once the five years were up.
If we're going to get into a conversation regarding the amount of time and money a University has invested in its basketball program relative to its accomplishments, Marquette is at the top of the list for not getting value for investment.
Update the plan?
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Lenny
Incidentally, want to make sure I understand your disappointment in proper context.
IU has to deal with a bunch of teams in their league each year landing top 20 recruiting classes. MU doesn't. Not even close. Shouldn't we, based on your criteria you have used the last few days on how critical these rankings are, be expecting first place finishes EACH and EVERY year in our league? Clearly we have the best talent based on these rankings. Furthermore, if the rankings of everyone else in our league (sans maybe one or two) is nowhere close to us, why wouldn't we be at the top all the time? I would be disappointed if we weren't, using your criteria.
Case in point, 2013 two other Big Ten teams with top 15 classes along with IU's. In the Big East, MU and no one else. In fact, you have to go down to the 30's to find a Big East team. All told, 6 Big Ten teams in the top 40 classes, 2 Big East teams.
In 2012, five Big Ten teams just in the top 25. Big East...two.
Etc, etc
You get the idea. When you have Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Illinois, IU, Purdue they are going to grab a lot of good talent. Big East grabs its fair share, but MU has been the constant in the last few years for the Big East teams with no barely anyone else. Shouldn't we, then, expect to finish on top?
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Lenny
Incidentally, want to make sure I understand your disappointment in proper context.
IU has to deal with a bunch of teams in their league each year landing top 20 recruiting classes. MU doesn't. Not even close. Shouldn't we, based on your criteria you have used the last few days on how critical these rankings are, be expecting first place finishes EACH and EVERY year in our league? Clearly we have the best talent based on these rankings. Furthermore, if the rankings of everyone else in our league (sans maybe one or two) is nowhere close to us, why wouldn't we be at the top all the time? I would be disappointed if we weren't, using your criteria.
Case in point, 2013 two other Big Ten teams with top 15 classes along with IU's. In the Big East, MU and no one else. In fact, you have to go down to the 30's to find a Big East team. All told, 6 Big Ten teams in the top 40 classes, 2 Big East teams.
In 2012, five Big Ten teams just in the top 25. Big East...two.
Etc, etc
You get the idea. When you have Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Illinois, IU, Purdue they are going to grab a lot of good talent. Big East grabs its fair share, but MU has been the constant in the last few years for the Big East teams with no barely anyone else. Shouldn't we, then, expect to finish on top?
Wasn't this thread about Indiana's fans and their displeasure with Crean? How does it turn into something about Marquette? I don't understand why you don't ignore these threads. Again, people don't like Crean and they never will.
It's like you're trying to sell us aluminum siding. WE DONT WANT IT!!
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It's like you're trying to sell us aluminum siding. WE DONT WANT IT!!
Do they still build houses with aluminum siding?
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Do they still build houses with aluminum siding?
Only if you want mold in your walls and siding that you have to paint. A buddy has it on house that was built in the 80's. Hail damage is another problem.
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Hail damage is another problem.
Just ask Joanie
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Crean sucks
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No, but their 5 year plan was supposed to change that. It's what Crean was hired to do.
At the 5 year mark, they were ranked #1 in the country, one their first Big Ten title in 20+ years. They lost four, 1000 point scorers...it happens. They were picked 6th, we'll see where they land. We were picked 1st....we'll see where we land.
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You mean the one that gives us the chance to lose to Northwestern and Penn State at home? Never.
Good thing, since we're 0-2 against the league already this year
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Wasn't this thread about Indiana's fans and their displeasure with Crean? How does it turn into something about Marquette? I don't understand why you don't ignore these threads. Again, people don't like Crean and they never will.
It's like you're trying to sell us aluminum siding. WE DONT WANT IT!!
Some people don't like Crean, and never will.....yup....that's why you have threads like this 6 years later. Believe me, we all get it.
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To be fair, the past 2 years have been really good at IU. For a team that was so far down, the 2011-2012 team was a great ride and while I expected them to crash and burn in the tournament, they played very well.
While last year was disappointing in the team didn't play well at all the last month despite two top 5 draft picks, its hard to consider last year a disappointing.
That said, its too early to ask when MU is going to play a Big 10 type schedule. They haven't this year, but they've been playing a schedule every bit as good as the Big 10 since they joined the Big East.
Not THIS Big East, that was the point. What would MU be in THIS Big Ten? What would IU be in THIS Big East. Thus, the comparisons are rather silly.
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Good thing, since we're 0-2 against the league already this year
Yeah, but we're a hell of a lot better against UW than we were under the Bronze Beast. Look, we're much better off than we were under the previous regime and we've been much better than the previous regime's new team has been too. The Marquette community is overwhelmingly happy Crean has been replaced by Buzz. Why argue with the Marquette people who hate Crean? He gone, thank God. Go on one of your Indiana boards and argue with all the Hoosier fans who are on to him. Tons of them and the numbers are growing daily.
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Correct. They didn't give the guy an $8Million buyout so they can perform at the level of Marquette and Wisconsin. For the amount of time and money invested, right or wrong, the expectation is Kanasas and Kentucky.
They had a five year plan that we've heard a lot about here, and it worked pretty well. Unfortunately, it looks lie they didn't update that plan once the five years were up.
Glass only SAID he gave Crean an $8MM buyout. It was actually $16MM but many people are just finding that out. Glass has to publicly defend Crean as coach as he tied his own hands. The question is whether the media asks Glass why he wasn't forthcoming / misleading... or as Chicos would say, "stupid".
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Yeah, but we're a hell of a lot better against UW than we were under the Bronze Beast. Look, we're much better off than we were under the previous regime and we've been much better than the previous regime's new team has been too. The Marquette community is overwhelmingly happy Crean has been replaced by Buzz. Why argue with the Marquette people who hate Crean? He gone, thank God. Go on one of your Indiana boards and argue with all the Hoosier fans who are on to him. Tons of them and the numbers are growing daily.
Again, comparing different teams against different times. Wisconsin obviously isn't that great this year if Tom Crean can beat them. ;D
Why would I go to an IU board, when here on the MU board there are IU threads whenever something bad happens but near silence when something good happens. It's like a bunch of people here have an obsession with someone at IU. It's easier to just come here.
We may or may not be better off than the previous regime, LET ALONE MUCH BETTER off. If I recall, the last regime got us to THIS regime by hiring Buzz, pushing for Buzz, leaving him with one of the best lineups MU has had in decades. Leaving us in the Big East, a new basketball practice facility etc, etc....all of which didn't exist prior to that last regime. Don't forget it.....unfortunately you have.
Let's see when Buzz leaves how the handoff is.
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Let's see when Buzz leaves how the handoff is.
The "handoff"?! That's part of the issue for some, Chicos. The old ESPN ticker handoff.
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If we're going to get into a conversation regarding the amount of time and money a University has invested in its basketball program relative to its accomplishments, Marquette is at the top of the list for not getting value for investment.
Update the plan?
Don't see how you could possibly be more wrong. You measure value how? Wins and losses?
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At the 5 year mark, they were ranked #1 in the country, one their first Big Ten title in 20+ years. They lost four, 1000 point scorers...it happens. They were picked 6th, we'll see where they land. We were picked 1st....we'll see where we land.
Pre-season picks are relevant, how?
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Pre-season picks are relevant, how?
I don't think they are, but so many people here think they are. Remember all the "IU was preseason #1" last year....so it only matters to IU, but not to MU? LOL. That's why I used it...if people are going to use a stat to make an argument about one entity, they sure as hell better be ready to use the same stat consistently.
Now, all that being said...IU lost four 1000 point scorers. MU lost one. People here saying how big the Vander loss was, including me. I absolutely think it was huge. Yet same people pooh pooh the loss of four 1000 point scorers, 70% of your rebounding, etc, etc as if it is nothing because it happens to be on another team. Classic.
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The "handoff"?! That's part of the issue for some, Chicos. The old ESPN ticker handoff.
Yeah, I liked the July quitting by Rick Majerus better...that handoff was awesome. Left us in great shape.
More importantly, while some of you are so entrenched in the "handoff", ask yourself some simple questions.
Where was MU when he started and where was MU when he left. CUSA vs Big East. MU Gym vs Al Center. Top 15 program vs not even NIT program. Final Four for first time in decades. 5 NCAAs in 7 years, hadn't been done in decades. Actual NBA players multiple years. Buzz Williams on staff. Etc, etc.
Yes, the handoff. We are WORLDS better as a result, but some people are so incredibly juvenile they refuse to acknowledge it.
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Don't see how you could possibly be more wrong. You measure value how? Wins and losses?
Graduating kids
ACR Scores
Not having kids accused of raping other students on the front pages of the paper and news
Adding infrastructure (Al McGuire Center)
Getting into the best college basketball league in history
Final Four
NCAA Appearances
Players that continue to play at the next level and promote the university
ESPN Game Day visits
Television appearances
Sellouts, revenue
Etc, etc
Lots of ways to measure value, not just wins and losses
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Well, at least we all know who Chicos' Valentine honey is.
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Yeah, I liked the July quitting by Rick Majerus better...that handoff was awesome.
You have to remember that Majerus was young and immature when he quit Marquette. I much prefer the sophisticated, mature Majerus at Utah. That Majerus exuded a gravitas that commanded respect and no other coach in the NCAA could sh1t in a towel quite the way Rick did.
As for handoff, I think he handed the soiled terry cloth off to the team manager.
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Actually Rick blew us off in June, which was a BF'in in itself. But, Hank dropped the potato in the entire hirin' process. Newell was announced around July 4, then it became laughable from there.
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Actually Rick blew us off in June, which was a BF'in in itself. But, Hank dropped the potato in the entire hirin' process. Newell was announced around July 4, then it became laughable from there.
Doc
I was stationed at Misawa AB, Japan during Rick's Marquette tenure. Besides being the pre-internet Dark Ages I was also pretty busy as a barrel chested freedom fighter flying Lawn Darts to keep Ivan at bay so I had zero visibility to MU basketball. What the hell was the problem and why didn't Rick succeed? Hell, he hit stride at Ball State immediately so the maturity story seems spurious.
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Crash,
I think Rick needed some time to mature from an assistant coach to the main dude. As the assistant, he was everything from a buddy to Mother Confessor for these kids. Couldn't do that as the head coach. He put a lot of self imposed pressure on himself to carry on the winning tradition in the Marquette way. But, 3 NIT appearances just doesn't cut it. Losing out on recruits like Rick Olson and Joe Wolf really sealed his fate. He felt the pressure from alums. Luckily for Rick, his buddy Don Nelson brought his ass onboard the Bucks caravan.
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Crash,
I think Rick needed some time to mature from an assistant coach to the main dude. As the assistant, he was everything from a buddy to Mother Confessor for these kids. Couldn't do that as the head coach. He put a lot of self imposed pressure on himself to carry on the winning tradition in the Marquette way. But, 3 NIT appearances just doesn't cut it. Losing out on recruits like Rick Olson and Joe Wolf really sealed his fate. He felt the pressure from alums. Luckily for Rick, his buddy Don Nelson brought his ass onboard the Bucks caravan.
Thanks, Doc. Imagine if he had just a tad more seasoning what could have been for our beloved alma mater. The man could coach.
My favorite, "The NCAA is Ridiculous" saga involved Majerus. The only ding in an otherwise impeccable ethical record was for picking up the tab for some cheeseburgers in the coffee shop at the hotel he lived in. If it was in his kitchen in a conventional house it would have been ok. Majerus correctly pointed out that the coffee shop was his house and that he was meeting with Keith van Horn whose father had just passed away. Frankly, I am proud Rick grabbed that check while helping out a person who was hurting deeply. Marquette trained him well.
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Well, at least we all know who Chicos' Valentine honey is.
My wife, but we don't celebrate Valentine's Day...we find the "holiday" to be contrived and commercialized.
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You have to remember that Majerus was young and immature when he quit Marquette. I much prefer the sophisticated, mature Majerus at Utah. That Majerus exuded a gravitas that commanded respect and no other coach in the NCAA could sh1t in a towel quite the way Rick did.
As for handoff, I think he handed the soiled terry cloth off to the team manager.
Oh, believe me, I know the circumstances. Rick got to explain it to us at one of the awards ceremonies he was in town for in the late 1990's. Nevertheless, he left us in a TERRIBLE position.
Crean, he left us with Buzz Williams, a new practice center, the Big East conference, a star laden lineup, etc.
Damn him.
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My wife, but we don't celebrate Valentine's Day...we find the "holiday" to be contrived and commercialized.
What the hell are you? Some sort of fluoridated Commie subversive? Get with the effing program and buy a Whitman's Sampler!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VKzHdqCr-F4/TnD4mqnhlfI/AAAAAAAAAZc/jdq5vJB6zIQ/s1600/dave%2Bduck%2Bcommie.jpg)
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Purdue 50-34 early in the second. ooofta
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edit: Wow, now up to 25 point lead for Purdue. 10th place awaits i4.
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All holidays are commercialized. Many are contrived, at least early on at some point.
But, we also skip eating out on Valentine's day and New Years Eve. Food is not as good, they rush you, and the service is over worked.... however, the worst food and service is served on New Year's Day, definitely a day to avoid eating out and a holiday to stay in.
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Things really are collapsing in Bloomington.
https://vine.co/v/MZJAjqL76En (https://vine.co/v/MZJAjqL76En)
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You have to remember that Majerus was young and immature when he quit Marquette. I much prefer the sophisticated, mature Majerus at Utah. That Majerus exuded a gravitas that commanded respect and no other coach in the NCAA could sh1t in a towel quite the way Rick did.
As for handoff, I think he handed the soiled terry cloth off to the team manager.
I like broadcaster Majerus the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RXaERVhNuU
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The roof is falling in on Crean - literally.
Tuesday night's scheduled matchup between No. 15 Iowa and Indiana in Bloomington, Ind., has been postponed after a piece of metal fell from the ceiling and damaged seats at Assembly Hall hours before the game was scheduled to begin.
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Crean likely arranged for this roof damage
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"An Indiana State record for roof Damage!"
"The #1 roof damaged arena in the country"
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Clearly the roof is struggling to support all of those new banners.
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Crean likely arranged for this roof damage
First thing I joked around with guy in office next to me who is also an IU grad...."how many nanoseconds before someone says Crean did it".
He replied, "maybe it was one of the idiots that think we are supposed to be DUKE and they're trying to kill him"
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What the hell are you? Some sort of fluoridated Commie subversive? Get with the effing program and buy a Whitman's Sampler!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VKzHdqCr-F4/TnD4mqnhlfI/AAAAAAAAAZc/jdq5vJB6zIQ/s1600/dave%2Bduck%2Bcommie.jpg)
Nope. Lame holiday, don't do it. On her orders years ago. We have date night every week (well, more like every other week with schedules). No Valentine's Day crap.
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He replied, "maybe it was one of the idiots that think we are supposed to be DUKE and they're trying to kill him"
Wait, what? If coaching Indiana is considered the pinnacle of college basketball, how is Indiana not supposed to be Duke?
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Wait, what? If coaching Indiana is considered the pinnacle of college basketball, how is Indiana not supposed to be Duke?
It's not. Not the pinnacle and not at Duke's level. Hasn't been in decades. One of the top 6 programs of all time? Yes. But that's different than saying its at their level. Of course all of these programs are having some hiccups, its just that some fans handle it better than others.
Kentucky NIT last year. North Carolina a few years ago. Duke goes down to Lehigh as a 2 seed. You get the idea.
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It's not. Not the pinnacle and not at Duke's level. Hasn't been in decades.
Well, somebody disagrees...
"It's Indiana, It's Indiana. What I believe to be the pinnacle, the absolute pinnacle, of all of college basketball." -Coach Tom Crean
http://youtu.be/szn0VqSa61Q (http://youtu.be/szn0VqSa61Q)
Now where on earth would those idiot fans get the idea that they should be Duke?
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Well, somebody disagrees...
"It's Indiana, It's Indiana. What I believe to be the pinnacle, the absolute pinnacle, of all of college basketball." -Coach Tom Crean
http://youtu.be/szn0VqSa61Q (http://youtu.be/szn0VqSa61Q)
Now where on earth would those idiot fans get the idea that they should be Duke?
I love how he uses the royal we throughout that video. What an absolute d bag
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Well, somebody disagrees...
"It's Indiana, It's Indiana. What I believe to be the pinnacle, the absolute pinnacle, of all of college basketball." -Coach Tom Crean
http://youtu.be/szn0VqSa61Q (http://youtu.be/szn0VqSa61Q)
Now where on earth would those idiot fans get the idea that they should be Duke?
Of course, that's what coaches do. Indiana is a special place, on the list of lists, but for me to be in the same conversation you have to do it most of the time. The slide started under Knight, kept going under Davis, bottomed out with Sampson (good team, just cheated) and Dakich. I suppose you can still be considered an elite "program" from a historical perspective and I wouldn't disagree with that, but to be like Duke, KU, UK, etc, you better step it up and do it for 9 years out of 10 type of thing. They're not back to that yet. Neither is UCLA right now. Still elite historically, but rough patches. For IU, I'd argue the rough patch (sans last year and the year Davis took them to the Final) has been a good 15 years strong.
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I love how he uses the royal we throughout that video. What an absolute d bag
A lot of things to dislike with him, not sure why that would be one since so many other coaches do it, including Brent Buzz Williams.
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Hanner's got the boot off and is ready to go for I4 tonight! I4 vs Becky, should be fun!
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Hanner's got the boot off and is ready to go for I4 tonight! I4 vs Becky, should be fun!
Still watching this clunker of a game just to see the Bo-TC handshake.
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Crean having them foul down 14 with under a minute left. "Coachable moments" I suppose.
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Crean having them foul down 14 with under a minute left. "Coachable moments" I suppose.
Only when Buzz does it are we allowed to call it a Coachable moment....anyone else and it is a douche move.
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I had to do a double take: IU only shot THREE FTs (they made two)!
THREE FTs!!!
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Interesting critical comments by Dan Dakich after the kid who got the DUI was back in action after an 11 day suspension.
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Only when Buzz does it are we allowed to call it a Coachable moment....anyone else and it is a douche move.
Its a douche moment when anyone does it. Frustrates the hell out of me.
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Interesting critical comments by Dan Dakich after the kid who got the DUI was back in action after an 11 day suspension.
Dakich sure was clear in his feelings on the way Crean handled it
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Only when Buzz does it are we allowed to call it a Coachable moment....anyone else and it is a douche move.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Vj7Il6Bb1H0/UghGfqE75KI/AAAAAAAAAWw/jF1hOeHUgRI/s1600/bechkam-topper.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXr24a1uy80
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Lots of restless fans around these days
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Lots of restless fans around these days
This is why you suck.
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Looking at all the threads in the Al maybe I should start a thread...MU natives are restless. On second thought....
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Looking at all the threads in the Al maybe I should start a thread...MU natives are restless. On second thought....
Yeah, I don't think you'll need to do that.....seems it is covered. I just wonder if IU fans are linking MU messages to their boards in some weird, cosmic alliance like folks do here.
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Yeah, I don't think you'll need to do that.....seems it is covered. I just wonder if IU fans are linking MU messages to their boards in some weird, cosmic alliance like folks do here.
Why would they?
Now, I can imagine where IU fans would link to other big ten teams. Or possibly even Texas tech after knight left.
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Yeah, I don't think you'll need to do that.....seems it is covered. I just wonder if IU fans are linking MU messages to their boards in some weird, cosmic alliance like folks do here.
Apples to oranges. Now if we had people linking UNO messages here, then we could talk.