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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: shoothoops on March 20, 2020, 11:28:13 AM
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Per Jeff Goodman.
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Congrats to Stan. He should have a chance to do well out west.
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Damn - happy for Stan but man. Guy was a killer on the recruiting trails
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Wow. Hope we retain all our recruits. Wojo's job just got harder. Really happy for Stan, though.
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Oso is the only one we might lose incoming right? Dawson and Justin don't seem to be Stan guys.
Curious what happens with Dexter and Bailey iiirc they were Stan recruits.
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This was something we all saw coming, just didn't know when. Wish the best for him.
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Craig Pintens is the AD at LMU.
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Oso is the only one we might lose incoming right? Dawson and Justin don't seem to be Stan guys.
Curious what happens with Dexter and Bailey iiirc they were Stan recruits.
Justin isn't a Stan guy. I think that was Wojo and Killings. Dawson seemed to be a full staff effort.
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what is LMU?
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Loyola Marymount
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what is LMU?
Loyola Marymount
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Good for Stan, LMU has potential to be a sneaky good job, certainly can't beat the location.
No bueno for MU though.
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Cant see the players stepping down conferences, unless they dont feel their worthy of the Big East
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Thanks for the help
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Cant see the players stepping down conferences, unless they dont feel their worthy of the Big East
They might not follow him, but they might feel like with Stan gone, if that was the biggest reason they came to MU, then why stay??
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If there not comfortable at MU now,they never will be
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Oso is the only one we might lose incoming right? Dawson and Justin don't seem to be Stan guys.
Curious what happens with Dexter and Bailey iiirc they were Stan recruits.
Detached from reality!!
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Detached from reality!!
Huh?
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They might not follow him, but they might feel like with Stan gone, if that was the biggest reason they came to MU, then why stay??
Detached from reality!!
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Well fck.
Can we tell Wojo to social distance himself from the MUBB payroll now?
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Killings is an outstanding recruiter and even more importantly is a NortEast ties kinda guy.
Stan did a great job, but getting guys from Nevada, Arizona, and California is always significantly more difficult. Which does speak to Stans recruiting chops in that he was able to get as many as he did. The Midwest n Northeast will always be our bread n butter tho
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Detached from reality!!
Yeah okay...because players have NEVER in the history of CBB left a program because the guy that recruited them is no longer there?? If that's what you think, THAT'S 100% delusional and detached from reality.
I never stated that someone would leave, simply that it could be that some feel they were only at MU because of Stan.
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Big loss for MU. All the best to Stan. He deserves it
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I'll be the first to say it: Huge loss recruiting-wise for us obviously, but it certainly didn't appear he had much, if any positive impact on the game planning or "winning" aspect of the game. Wish him the best, though and hope he succeeds.
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Grate opportunity four Shaka ta cum home and sit next ta Woj, aina?
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Good for Stan.
Will hurt recruiting-wise for a bit, but seeing Stan and Nelson land respectable head coaching gigs also makes MU attractive to quality assistants.
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So...anyone know how much Pat Baldwin Sr is making at Milwaukee?
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Loyola Marymount AD Craig Pintens is a Marquette Law grad 2001, worked then in Marketing for MU a year then came back 2004-2009 (Texas Pan Am 2 years) to work 5 more years in MU Athletic Department. He is in his 2nd year as LMU AD after spending 7 years at Oregon. He did his undergrad at Whitewater.
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Killings is an outstanding recruiter and even more importantly is a NortEast ties kinda guy.
Stan did a great job, but getting guys from Nevada, Arizona, and California is always significantly more difficult. Which does speak to Stans recruiting chops in that he was able to get as many as he did. The Midwest n Northeast will always be our bread n butter tho
And that made mine and Gurus comments about western state kids be detached from reality? ::)
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Good for Stan.
Will hurt recruiting-wise for a bit, but seeing Stan and Nelson land respectable head coaching gigs also makes MU attractive to quality assistants.
LMU is a decent gig but Holy Cross is a dumpster fire.
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Shockin' Wardle didant get da gig, hey?
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And that made mine and Gurus comments about western state kids be detached from reality? ::)
Brendan turns 23 this summer.
Unless the NCAA changes the transfer rule pronto - doubtful given everything else going on - he'd have to sit out a year if he transfers.
I'd be very surprised if he wanted to do that - and essentially being playing college basketball into his mid 20s - because an assistant coach left.
Oso ... who knows? But it would be pretty unusual for a kid to be let out of a NLI because an assistant coach left.
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Brendan turns 23 this summer.
Unless the NCAA changes the transfer rule pronto - doubtful given everything else going on - he'd have to sit out a year if he transfers.
I'd be very surprised if he wanted to do that - and essentially being playing college basketball into his mid 20s - because an assistant coach left.
Oso ... who knows? But it would be pretty unusual for a kid to be let out of a NLI because an assistant coach left.
I thought the transfer rule was changing anyways? Did I imagine that?
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A tough loss for Marquette, and a big gain for LMU.
Congrats to Stan!
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Hooever transfers or gets outta his LOI, sew bee it, hey?
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Holy Cross is a dumpster fire.
3-29 record & lost to a D3 school in December
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I thought the transfer rule was changing anyways? Did I imagine that?
It's been proposed, not approved.
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It's been proposed, not approved.
Gotcha thanks for the clarification.
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what is LMU?
Look up there season in 1990. Unreal scoring, sadness of Hank and magical run.
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Kind of a bummer. Seemed really instrumental in recruiting. No reason to think we cannot replace him though.
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So...anyone know how much Pat Baldwin Sr is making at Milwaukee?
Around 350k per year. 5 year deal.
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Ah hem,from the interim coach thread.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60210.msg1219114#msg1219114
Yep. Stan or Wojo or both will not be here next year. My money is on Stan.
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Look up there season in 1990. Unreal scoring, sadness of Hank and magical run.
Amazing campus and location, strong academics, poor athletics facilities but a new gym likely coming (they have some donors with deep pockets). After the Hank tragedy, the lawsuits and subsequent violations that were uncovered LMU leadership emphasized sports, especially basketball. Mike Dunlap had a great year (for LMU) in 18-19 but injuries cost him this year. They are set up to do well next year, which is why Dunlap was fired with a year left on his deal. If Saint Stan can keep LA kids at home (like Dunlap did Eli Scott) LMU can be top 5 in the WCC.
Dunlap made $675K, Stan probably making more.
http://www.laloyolan.com/news/university-plans-new-athletics-pavilion/article_14d1f245-399b-579d-ae62-2876690be524.html
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Ah hem,from the interim coach thread.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60210.msg1219114#msg1219114
Nice call. Too bad our administration couldn't make the right call either. Stan > Wojo.
Congrats to Stan. Wojo's job just got a lot harder. Ace recruiter. Gone.
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Wojo's coaching tree starting to corner the Jesuit market.
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On a serious note, my first call would be former New Mexico State video coordinator Jordan Sperber. Understands game breakdowns & tendencies as well as anyone and really gets the advanced metrics that are necessary to a functional modern day staff.
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On a serious note, my first call would be former New Mexico State video coordinator Jordan Sperber. Understands game breakdowns & tendencies as well as anyone and really gets the advanced metrics that are necessary to a functional modern day staff.
Can he recruit?
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On a serious note, my first call would be former New Mexico State video coordinator Jordan Sperber. Understands game breakdowns & tendencies as well as anyone and really gets the advanced metrics that are necessary to a functional modern day staff.
He’s a great twitter follow too. He makes a lot of sense to us but I’m not sure how much this staff embraces the analytics of the game vs. precious staffs.
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Can he recruit?
Coaching and prep work should be much higher on the list than recruiting for this staff.
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Thank you Stan. Best of luck out in LA.
Tough market but he will do well.
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Can he recruit?
Last I checked, we don't lack for recruits, we lack for coaching.
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Last I checked, we don't lack for recruits, we lack for coaching.
Our talent level was below average in the Big East this year. Nova, Creighton, SHU, Xavier, Butler all had better talent. DePaul may have too.
That's not Stan's fault. It falls on the head coach. But the talent was about on par with the results, IMO.
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Our talent level was below average in the Big East this year. Nova, Creighton, SHU, Xavier, Butler all had better talent. DePaul may have too.
That's not Stan's fault. It falls on the head coach. But the talent was about on par with the results, IMO.
Not having the Hausers might have had something to do with that. But, that’s a different subject.
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They might not follow him, but they might feel like with Stan gone, if that was the biggest reason they came to MU, then why stay??
If only Stan had brought you
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rumors swirling Stan bringing Wojo as assistant to LMU
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Wojo's coaching tree starting to corner the Jesuit market.
Holy Cross isn’t Jesuit.
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He’s a great twitter follow too. He makes a lot of sense to us but I’m not sure how much this staff embraces the analytics of the game vs. precious staffs.
ah yes, the Millennial answer to why someone is qualified: they're "a great twitter follow."
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Holy Cross isn’t Jesuit.
https://www.holycross.edu/faith-service/jesuit-tradition
They are. It's interesting that College of the Holy Cross is not Order of the Holy Cross.
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On a serious note, my first call would be former New Mexico State video coordinator Jordan Sperber. Understands game breakdowns & tendencies as well as anyone and really gets the advanced metrics that are necessary to a functional modern day staff.
I’m amazed you know that.
Why is he a former video coordinator?
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ah yes, the Millennial answer to why someone is qualified: they're "a great twitter follow."
If you paid attention to Sperber, you'd know why he's qualified. He is definitely qualified & is also a great Twitter follow.
There are absolutely things this staff has demonstrated they are incapable of doing that Sperber excels at. He has used those skills at the D1 level before. I don't care if he can recruit, what he would bring to the table would be more valuable.
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https://www.holycross.edu/faith-service/jesuit-tradition
They are. It's interesting that College of the Holy Cross is not Order of the Holy Cross.
My dad went to Holy Cross and gave me the impression that they were a Holy Cross school. He also said that Notre Dame stole their fight song which puts going to one of their games on my bucket list.
Thanks for the correction.
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ah yes, the Millennial answer to why someone is qualified: they're "a great twitter follow."
Is,"he publicizes his unique and effective basketball philosophies for others to read" better for you?
This coaching staff has turned a blind eye to the importance of analytics and the results on the court have suffered.
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Is,"he publicizes his unique and effective basketball philosophies for others to read" better for you?
This coaching staff has turned a blind eye to the importance of analytics and the results on the court have suffered.
Huh? Jake was the analytics guy and got promoted to AC.
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No news matters about this program until Scholl and Lovell wake up and fire Wojo. Nothing is going to matter until that mercifully happens. Until then, we’re in D1 hoops purgatory
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Huh? Jake was the analytics guy and got promoted to AC.
If that's why he's there, that's a problem.
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If that's why he's there, that's a problem.
Exactly.....
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"MU ignores analytics!"
Actually, MU has an assistant coach on staff who specialized in analytics.
"That's a problem!"
Ain't nothing some won't complain about around here.
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No news matters about this program until Scholl and Lovell wake up and fire Wojo. Nothing is going to matter until that mercifully happens. Until then, we’re in D1 hoops purgatory
Then why are you checking MUScoop? You won’t be getting that news, so no news matters here.
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Congrats to Stan! Amazing opportunity. I will be rooting for LMU and his success moving forward.
Good to have assistants move on to HC jobs.
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Thank you Stan. Best of luck out in LA.
Tough market but he will do well.
Exactly my sentiments as well
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"MU ignores analytics!"
Actually, MU has an assistant coach on staff who specialized in analytics.
"That's a problem!"
Ain't nothing some won't complain about around here.
Our staff has shown no ability to effectively use analytics. If someone is getting promoted based on analytics and these are the results, that's a problem.
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Dodds with some interesting nuggets of info. Stan apparently was lead recruiter of Dawson.
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/MU-Asst-coach-Stan-Johnson-takes-head-coaching-job-at-LMU-145231222/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=200320_133043_MarquetteGoldenEagles&utm_content=Link
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Dodds with some interesting nuggets of info. Stan apparently was lead recruiter of Dawson.
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/MU-Asst-coach-Stan-Johnson-takes-head-coaching-job-at-LMU-145231222/?utm_source=247Sports%2520Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=200320_133043_MarquetteGoldenEagles&utm_content=Link
I'm not sure if Dodds and interesting go together..
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I'm not sure if Dodds and interesting go together..
Good point.
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Good point.
I can't say I'm surprised that the lead photo on the article is of himself though !
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Here's hoping all the Stan stans go with him!
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This coaching staff has turned a blind eye to the importance of analytics and the results on the court have suffered.
Our staff has shown no ability to effectively use analytics. If someone is getting promoted based on analytics and these are the results, that's a problem.
So promoting Jake, who was in charge of analytics (and other operations programs including recruiting), is turning a "blind eye"?
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Good luck out west Stan. Thanks for your time at MU.
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Always like to see those who have done well by us succeed. Best wishes to Stan!
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Here’s how this plays out: Wojo finishes out his contract at MU. Stan has some success at LMU and proves coaching chops - MU hires him back. Stan leads us to promised land...which proves to be Wojo’s greatest contribution to the program.
#notteal
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Amazing campus and location, strong academics, poor athletics facilities but a new gym likely coming (they have some donors with deep pockets). After the Hank tragedy, the lawsuits and subsequent violations that were uncovered LMU leadership emphasized sports, especially basketball. Mike Dunlap had a great year (for LMU) in 18-19 but injuries cost him this year. They are set up to do well next year, which is why Dunlap was fired with a year left on his deal. If Saint Stan can keep LA kids at home (like Dunlap did Eli Scott) LMU can be top 5 in the WCC.
Dunlap made $675K, Stan probably making more.
http://www.laloyolan.com/news/university-plans-new-athletics-pavilion/article_14d1f245-399b-579d-ae62-2876690be524.html
Yep. Great location and Stan will be close to lots of nice places to live. Good for him.
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Nice call. Too bad our administration couldn't make the right call either. Stan > Wojo.
Congrats to Stan. Wojo's job just got a lot harder. Ace recruiter. Gone.
Congratulations to coach Johnson.
There is likely a reason a school that is consistently second tier in a weak conference was the first to hire him as head coach and it took a Marquette connection to do it. He is a good recruiter, can he coach? If he can why did it take this long? Let LMU determine if he can, not MU.
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Warrior Dad.The conference is better than you think.It was going to send 3 teams to the NCAA tourney.Those 3 teams probably would have beat MU.In my opinion a very underrated league.Also MU hired O'Neill,Crean,Williams and Wojo not knowing if any could coach.To single out Stan is wrong.
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So promoting Jake, who was in charge of analytics (and other operations programs including recruiting), is turning a "blind eye"?
There are other aspects to coaching than analytics, so I don't want to sat that promoting Jake is automatically a "blind eye" situation.
That said, under Crean & especially Buzz, Marquette was a leader in use of analytics. We were tracking and aware of advanced stats before they were popular. Through the Bucks, we had and were using Synergy before most programs knew it existed.
We aren't there anymore and the decisions on the court make it painfully obvious.
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Congratulations to coach Johnson.
There is likely a reason a school that is consistently second tier in a weak conference was the first to hire him as head coach and it took a Marquette connection to do it. He is a good recruiter, can he coach? If he can why did it take this long? Let LMU determine if he can, not MU.
This is the exact type of job where a high major assistant usually starts their career.
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Hire Joe Chapman!
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Wow. Hope we retain all our recruits. Wojo's job just got harder. Really happy for Stan, though.
Wojo's job got harder? That is an understatement. He has made it harder due to him being in over his head.
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Yep. Great location and Stan will be close to lots of nice places to live. Good for him.
Hope he is happy with the California lockdown.
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This is the exact type of job where a high major assistant usually starts their career.
Agree completely. I really wish Wojo had taken a job like this about 4 years or so before taking the Marquette HC position. Both he and Marquette would be better off today and Scoop might not be such a war zone.
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Stan musta interviewed via Skype, aina?
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Just scrolled Stan’s Twitter from last 10
or so days. That guy was one grateful dude and a great rep for MU. We lost a great one.
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Just scrolled Stan’s Twitter from last 10
or so days. That guy was one grateful dude and a great rep for MU. We lost a great one.
Alright. Let’s not go overboard here. His twitter account reads like LinkedIn pablum.
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Stan musta interviewed via Skype, aina?
I’m more of a Google Hangouts guy myself.
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Then why are you checking MUScoop? You won’t be getting that news, so no news matters here.
Still want to keep up on what’s going on. My comment was mostly directed at comments how Stan’s departure may/will impact program
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LMU is Spanish for The MU
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Just scrolled Stan’s Twitter from last 10
or so days. That guy was one grateful dude and a great rep for MU. We lost a great one.
I believe WOJO is accountable for hiring and developing his assistant coaches including Stan and Brett. Just an observation. In my business world I paid attention to my leaders that developed future leaders to sustain and grow my business. I reflected on the last MU head coach to develop a D1 coach and was struggling to come up with post Al list. I came up with Darrin Horn to WKU returning to his alma mater. There is the grad assistant Lawrence Franks under O'Neil that went to the penthouse with the Clippers. I am at a loss for coaches under Buzz that have developed into D1 coaches under him which could be my memory. Brett and Stan are major losses on and off the court for the University. Yet, Coach Killings has been a terrific addition to the University on and off the court from my experience. Just an observation.
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I believe WOJO is accountable for hiring and developing his assistant coaches including Stan and Brett. Just an observation. In my business world I paid attention to my leaders that developed future leaders to sustain and grow my business. I reflected on the last MU head coach to develop a D1 coach and was struggling to come up with post Al list. I came up with Darrin Horn to WKU returning to his alma mater. There is the grad assistant Lawrence Franks under O'Neil that went to the penthouse with the Clippers. I am at a loss for coaches under Buzz that have developed into D1 coaches under him which could be my memory. Brett and Stan are major losses on and off the court for the University. Yet, Coach Killings has been a terrific addition to the University on and off the court from my experience. Just an observation.
Those who can’t do— teach. Huh?
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Here’s how this plays out: Wojo finishes out his contract at MU. Stan has some success at LMU and proves coaching chops - MU hires him back. Stan leads us to promised land...which proves to be Wojo’s greatest contribution to the program.
#notteal
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I hope so.
#alsoNoTeal
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In the world of bad news, this is great news!
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LMU is Spanish for The MU
Nice 8-)
Stan did have the easiest Twitter handle change. Just added an "L" to his handle so it's "@LMUCoachJohnson".
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Warrior Dad.The conference is better than you think.It was going to send 3 teams to the NCAA tourney.Those 3 teams probably would have beat MU.In my opinion a very underrated league.Also MU hired O'Neill,Crean,Williams and Wojo not knowing if any could coach.To single out Stan is wrong.
Admittedly have a Midwest and East Coast bias. I know very little about LMU or west coast basketball. That league appears to be three teams, one so-so and six low majors from the rankings.
My view of Stan Johnson is positive and wish him nothing but success. Those assistants you mentioned we hired to MU came right into a high major program, and LMU is not a high major and not sure they are a mid major either. As much praise as Stan Johnson receives here from some members it would seem he could land a higher major job like Crean and Wojo did coming here. O’Neill came to MU when we were probably a mid major status, but still higher than LMU. They had a short run in their entire history, and have not been to the tournament in 30 years.
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I believe WOJO is accountable for hiring and developing his assistant coaches including Stan and Brett. Just an observation. In my business world I paid attention to my leaders that developed future leaders to sustain and grow my business. I reflected on the last MU head coach to develop a D1 coach and was struggling to come up with post Al list. I came up with Darrin Horn to WKU returning to his alma mater. There is the grad assistant Lawrence Franks under O'Neil that went to the penthouse with the Clippers. I am at a loss for coaches under Buzz that have developed into D1 coaches under him which could be my memory. Brett and Stan are major losses on and off the court for the University. Yet, Coach Killings has been a terrific addition to the University on and off the court from my experience. Just an observation.
What if the top leader in your business wasn’t performing very well from a P&L perspective?
Did their ability to recruit and nurture potential future leaders who leave your company trump their business unit barely breaking even if not losing?
I credit Wojo for surrounding himself with talented and charismatic assistants. He needs that. A good leader does know their weakness. However, a leader/coach has to have a certain aptitude for the position.
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I can already see LMU on the schedule in a few years. Stan Johnson will come into the Fiserv and dismantle Wojo, which will lead to Wojo's firing.
Stan during the Handshake at the end of the game: "The circle is now complete. When I met you I was but the learner. Now, *I* am the master"
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I can already see LMU on the schedule in a few years. Stan Johnson will come into the Fiserv and dismantle Wojo, which will lead to Wojo's firing.
Stan during the Handshake at the end of the game: "The circle is now complete. When I met you I was but the learner. Now, *I* am the master"
Yeah given how the guy Wojo spent 25 years under between playing and assisting handles scheduling games against former players or assistants, I highly doubt you’ll see LMU on MU’s schedule during Stan’s time there.
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Yeah given how the guy Wojo spent 25 years under between playing and assisting handles scheduling games against former players or assistants, I highly doubt you’ll see LMU on MU’s schedule during Stan’s time there.
After almost 13 thousand posts you still can't sense sarcasm?
Here, let's make it easier then..... in the NIT.
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Yeah given how the guy Wojo spent 25 years under between playing and assisting handles scheduling games against former players or assistants, I highly doubt you’ll see LMU on MU’s schedule during Stan’s time there.
A classy move by Coach K as he pretty much knows he and his blue chips will beat his former assistants teams.
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A classy move by Coach K as he pretty much knows he and his blue chips will beat his former assistants teams.
See I view it as not having the opportunity to be humiliated by losing to your former employee, given K’s ego
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This is the exact type of job where a high major assistant usually starts their career.
The top high major assistants do not start at jobs like this. That leads me to conclude he is either a top major assistant flying under the radar that settled for a lower level job or is not a top high major assistant but an assistant coach at high major.
Snyder, Hopkins, Crean, Wojo, Gard, Steve Robinson, Dawkins, Dooley, Collins, Amaker, Horn, Gregory, Marta, Fox, started at schools much higher in basketball than LMU. They did not all succeed, but they were considered top assistant coaches. Hope he kills it out there. Any success will be hailed as great considering where they have been most of the last thirty years. Seven winning seasons, 23 losing seasons. Only two seasons of 20 or more wins. Has his work cut out for him.
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The top high major assistants do not start at jobs like this. That leads me to conclude he is either a top major assistant flying under the radar that settled for a lower level job or is not a top high major assistant but an assistant coach at high major.
Snyder, Hopkins, Crean, Wojo, Gard, Steve Robinson, Dawkins, Dooley, Collins, Amaker, Horn, Gregory, Marta, Fox, started at schools much higher in basketball than LMU. They did not all succeed, but they were considered top assistant coaches. Hope he kills it out there. Any success will be hailed as great considering where they have been most of the last thirty years. Seven winning seasons, 23 losing seasons. Only two seasons of 20 or more wins. Has his work cut out for him.
If you read anything about the current state of the coaching carousel in college basketball, it's that there are very few openings this year, due to the virus and after effects. It's more of an indictment on the situation at MU.
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Admittedly have a Midwest and East Coast bias. I know very little about LMU or west coast basketball. That league appears to be three teams, one so-so and six low majors from the rankings.
My view of Stan Johnson is positive and wish him nothing but success. Those assistants you mentioned we hired to MU came right into a high major program, and LMU is not a high major and not sure they are a mid major either. As much praise as Stan Johnson receives here from some members it would seem he could land a higher major job like Crean and Wojo did coming here. O’Neill came to MU when we were probably a mid major status, but still higher than LMU. They had a short run in their entire history, and have not been to the tournament in 30 years.
When did Marquette become Duke or Michigan St.?
It's a good opportunity for Stan and his family. He gets to run his own program, in a top 10 D-1 basketball league, well compensated, in a desirable geography.
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What if the top leader in your business wasn’t performing very well from a P&L perspective?
Did their ability to recruit and nurture potential future leaders who leave your company trump their business unit barely breaking even if not losing?
I credit Wojo for surrounding himself with talented and charismatic assistants. He needs that. A good leader does know their weakness. However, a leader/coach has to have a certain aptitude for the position.
Elonmusk what a great set of questions.
Undoubtedly, the P&L is a critical part of the scorecard in my businesses and in some businesses it tended to be the only scorecard. Yet, I learned galvanizing culture, teamwork, effective decision making, leadership development were critical ingredients to sustainable performance versus situational success. More importantly, I looked for near catostrophic failure to find my best leaders. WHY? the ability to overcome the fear of failure which holds many young high potential leaders back from their potential. Perhaps, that is why I enjoyed Andy Reid winning the super bowl this year given his failure in Philly.I thought he was a decent assistant coach with the Packers as well. Just an observation.
Honestly, I had more people exit my businesses because they could not tolerate arrogant leaders that situationally had a strong financial performance versus great leaders dealing with bad secular trends because the market shifted. That appeared to be the issue with Buzz and continued at VT versus WOJO. Just an observation.
You are right... Great leaders are self aware or humble enough to embrace their their weaknesses. Aptitude is a function of experience, mistakes and the ability to learn from mistakes IMHO.Just an observation.
I am a fan of agreeing to disagree then it mean that we are both in pursuit of a better answer. I believe that WOJO is right for our program and the investment is part of the leadership development process. Currently, we are agreement for the first 23 games of the last two seasons. Culture, teamwork, P&L. Yet, the agreement breakdown by game 29 the last two years. Oversimplification and wanting the same outcome of sustainable success for MU basketball.
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Congrats to Stan, definitely going to miss him here. Will be interesting to see who they can nab as a replacement.
Honest question, has any other MU assistant gotten a better first head coaching gig immediately after leaving MU? The only past examples I can think of all went to low major gigs. LMU is a mid major and I think has some nice aspects that the right coach could turn into a winner.
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This is great for Stan and for MU.
I've always enjoyed the WCC and it would be great if Stan can build another decent program to join the top tier with Gonzaga and St. Mary's. USF and Todd Golden are trying to do the same... Stan has Golden as his benchmark for the next few years... who, by the way went 22-12 in his first season.
Stan can recruit the west coast well - that's already known. Now we all get to see if he can actually coach. If he can, then he becomes a future MU candidate. If not, it's somebody else's problem.
Why is it great for MU? If Wojo has any self-awareness he'll bring in a complementary personality and someone with game coaching skills to add balance and capability to the coaching staff.
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Why is it great for MU? If Wojo has any self-awareness he'll bring in a complementary personality and someone with game coaching skills to add balance and capability to the coaching staff.
Yes sir, don’t simply fire and replace Wojo’s incompetent butt with someone way better, instead keep paying him 2 mil plus and bring in someone who’s not incompetent at in game coaching to prop up Wojo. Solid plan.
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Yes sir, don’t simply fire and replace Wojo’s incompetent butt with someone way better, instead keep paying him 2 mil plus and bring in someone who’s not incompetent at in game coaching to prop up Wojo. Solid plan.
In light of the fact that Wojo is not going anywhere it's a better option than bringing in the best a$$ kisser or promoting from within.
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In light of the fact that Wojo is not going anywhere it's a better option than bringing in the best a$$ kisser or promoting from within.
Yes, quite the dumpster fire raging.
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Yes, quite the dumpster fire raging.
I appreciate your passion for getting the program to a top 25 plus level. Yet, I am waiting for your advice on the solution. Again, problem spotters are abundant. Just share with us the solution..........
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Congrats to Stan, definitely going to miss him here. Will be interesting to see who they can nab as a replacement.
Honest question, has any other MU assistant gotten a better first head coaching gig immediately after leaving MU? The only past examples I can think of all went to low major gigs. LMU is a mid major and I think has some nice aspects that the right coach could turn into a winner.
Darrin Horn to Western Kentucky and Tim Buckley to Ball State. Bots took over at programs coming off NCAA appearances and coaches who jumped to high majors. Or are those two examples too old for you?
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Those are the last ones that are close, though the MAC & Sun Belt (where those teams resided at the time) have two combined at large bids this century. The WCC would've had two at-large bids this year & 17 at-large bids in the same timespan. Easily the biggest job since those two and arguably bigger than either of them.
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I appreciate your passion for getting the program to a top 25 plus level. Yet, I am waiting for your advice on the solution. Again, problem spotters are abundant. Just share with us the solution..........
My post of firing his incompetent butt wasn’t clear enough for you? It’s not going to be that difficult doing better than him.
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Stan will eventually make his way to the University of Arizona, where he will ultimately cut down the nets.
We missed a good opportunity.
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On a serious note, my first call would be former New Mexico State video coordinator Jordan Sperber. Understands game breakdowns & tendencies as well as anyone and really gets the advanced metrics that are necessary to a functional modern day staff.
I am a Paula Sperber fan maybe we could get her and Jordan
(https://www.google.com/search?q=paula+sperber&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS773US773&oq=paula+sperber&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.6379j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=lsh_4nFQzFNVKM:)
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I believe WOJO is accountable for hiring and developing his assistant coaches including Stan and Brett. Just an observation. In my business world I paid attention to my leaders that developed future leaders to sustain and grow my business. I reflected on the last MU head coach to develop a D1 coach and was struggling to come up with post Al list. I came up with Darrin Horn to WKU returning to his alma mater. There is the grad assistant Lawrence Franks under O'Neil that went to the penthouse with the Clippers. I am at a loss for coaches under Buzz that have developed into D1 coaches under him which could be my memory. Brett and Stan are major losses on and off the court for the University. Yet, Coach Killings has been a terrific addition to the University on and off the court from my experience. Just an observation.
Crean had Tod Kowalczyk (?). Wardle and Jean prileau (?) Became head coaches after stops elsewhere.
For Buzz, Tony Benford comes to mind.
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Buzz also had Dale Layer for a year as an assistant before he became head coach at Liberty. But I don't think that really counts.
One former Buzz assistant who was very much touted as a future head coach is Isaac Chew, who I think is out of a job at the moment. He went from A&M to Grand Canyon, and I'm not sure is being retained by Bryce Drew. Wonder if Buzz and he had a falling out of some sort?
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Elonmusk what a great set of questions.
Undoubtedly, the P&L is a critical part of the scorecard in my businesses and in some businesses it tended to be the only scorecard. Yet, I learned galvanizing culture, teamwork, effective decision making, leadership development were critical ingredients to sustainable performance versus situational success. More importantly, I looked for near catostrophic failure to find my best leaders. WHY? the ability to overcome the fear of failure which holds many young high potential leaders back from their potential. Perhaps, that is why I enjoyed Andy Reid winning the super bowl this year given his failure in Philly.I thought he was a decent assistant coach with the Packers as well. Just an observation.
Honestly, I had more people exit my businesses because they could not tolerate arrogant leaders that situationally had a strong financial performance versus great leaders dealing with bad secular trends because the market shifted. That appeared to be the issue with Buzz and continued at VT versus WOJO. Just an observation.
You are right... Great leaders are self aware or humble enough to embrace their their weaknesses. Aptitude is a function of experience, mistakes and the ability to learn from mistakes IMHO.Just an observation.
I am a fan of agreeing to disagree then it mean that we are both in pursuit of a better answer. I believe that WOJO is right for our program and the investment is part of the leadership development process. Currently, we are agreement for the first 23 games of the last two seasons. Culture, teamwork, P&L. Yet, the agreement breakdown by game 29 the last two years. Oversimplification and wanting the same outcome of sustainable success for MU basketball.
Possibly one of the most bloated,misguided posts in MUScoop history. Just an Observation
What does Andy Reid have to do with Wojo? Reid is successful - always has been - always been an innovator - always a winner - Wojo hasn't. Just an Observation
Buzz has had success everywhere he's gone, Wojo has not. Buzz's players have had mountains more of success. Just an Observation
Fiserv is beginning to sound like a funeral home and the students aren't happy. Wojo's P/L is trending downward into the red and that will continue next year as there's no reason to watch the team from a casual standpoint. MU Home Ec team better start sewing up some more seat covers for the student section. Hoop heads are beginning to be what's left of MU's fan base. This just isn't an exciting product on the court. Tickets aren't purchased because it looks like the players are studying.
As far as aptitude goes, you're defending Wojo's Woes with the Big E - Experience. His gaffes on the court are the product of not being aware of what's going on, an inability to teach, how to react, and being in over his head. Wojo's simplistic offense is rather easy to figure out and has been shutdown the last 2 seasons - during the 2nd half of conference play - when teams become cohesive, executing more efficiently.
There's no Profit, only Loss here, and more to come. Sadly, you just can't see that due to a severe lack of basketball experience/knowledge.
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Possibly one of the most bloated,misguided posts in MUScoop history. Just an Observation
What does Andy Reid have to do with Wojo? Reid is successful - always has been - always been an innovator - always a winner - Wojo hasn't. Just an Observation
Buzz has had success everywhere he's gone, Wojo has not. Buzz's players have had mountains more of success. Just an Observation
Fiserv is beginning to sound like a funeral home and the students aren't happy. Wojo's P/L is trending downward into the red and that will continue next year as there's no reason to watch the team from a casual standpoint. MU Home Ec team better start sewing up some more seat covers for the student section. Hoop heads are beginning to be what's left of MU's fan base. This just isn't an exciting product on the court. Tickets aren't purchased because it looks like the players are studying.
As far as aptitude goes, you're defending Wojo's Woes with the Big E - Experience. His gaffes on the court are the product of not being aware of what's going on, an inability to teach, how to react, and being in over his head. Wojo's simplistic offense is rather easy to figure out and has been shutdown the last 2 seasons - during the 2nd half of conference play - when teams become cohesive, executing more efficiently.
There's no Profit, only Loss here, and more to come. Sadly, you just can't see that due to a severe lack of basketball experience/knowledge.
This is completely wrong. Go look at the advanced stats. 1 year the problem was offense, 1 year the problem was defense
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This is completely wrong. Go look at the advanced stats. 1 year the problem was offense, 1 year the problem was defense
Watch the games. There's a lot being left on the table. Total underutilization of talent and cohesiveness.
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Darrin Horn to Western Kentucky and Tim Buckley to Ball State. Bots took over at programs coming off NCAA appearances and coaches who jumped to high majors. Or are those two examples too old for you?
I'm not sure what the too old comment was in reference to but no I remember them. But I didn't remember that both were coming off NCAA appearances at the time. I think the MAC and Sun Belt are both low major conferences whereas the WCC is mid-major but maybe the fact that they were coming off tournament appearances makes them better starting points than LMU.
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This is completely wrong. Go look at the advanced stats. 1 year the problem was offense, 1 year the problem was defense
Watching the games, I think it’s fair to say Markus did most of the heavy lifting to bring the overall team analytics to where they are this season.
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Possibly one of the most bloated,misguided posts in MUScoop history. Just an Observation
What does Andy Reid have to do with Wojo? Reid is successful - always has been - always been an innovator - always a winner - Wojo hasn't. Just an Observation
Buzz has had success everywhere he's gone, Wojo has not. Buzz's players have had mountains more of success. Just an Observation
Fiserv is beginning to sound like a funeral home and the students aren't happy. Wojo's P/L is trending downward into the red and that will continue next year as there's no reason to watch the team from a casual standpoint. MU Home Ec team better start sewing up some more seat covers for the student section. Hoop heads are beginning to be what's left of MU's fan base. This just isn't an exciting product on the court. Tickets aren't purchased because it looks like the players are studying.
As far as aptitude goes, you're defending Wojo's Woes with the Big E - Experience. His gaffes on the court are the product of not being aware of what's going on, an inability to teach, how to react, and being in over his head. Wojo's simplistic offense is rather easy to figure out and has been shutdown the last 2 seasons - during the 2nd half of conference play - when teams become cohesive, executing more efficiently.
There's no Profit, only Loss here, and more to come. Sadly, you just can't see that due to a severe lack of basketball experience/knowledge.
Agree with everything completely. Especially opening comments.
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Watching the games, I think it’s fair to say Markus did most of the heavy lifting to bring the overall team analytics to where they are this season.
Oh okay.
If you discount what Aaron Rodgers did last year, the Packers weren't very good.
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Wojo is a great offensive coach. We've had a top-20 offense when healthy each of the past 4 years. There are plenty of other valid criticisms, but if the offense is so easy to figure out, why are all these Big East coaches not stopping it (top-3 in conference play each of the past 4 years)?
His lineup selections, his defense, his recruiting, there are plenty of valid reasons to tear him down, but the offense is not one of those. Wojo has been an elite offensive coach. It's the one thing he's consistently good at.
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Wojo is a great offensive coach. We've had a top-20 offense when healthy each of the past 4 years. There are plenty of other valid criticisms, but if the offense is so easy to figure out, why are all these Big East coaches not stopping it (top-3 in conference play each of the past 4 years)?
His lineup selections, his defense, his recruiting, there are plenty of valid reasons to tear him down, but the offense is not one of those. Wojo has been an elite offensive coach. It's the one thing he's consistently good at.
Hold my Beer brewcity77 - Dave Leitao
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Oh okay.
If you discount what Aaron Rodgers did last year, the Packers weren't very good.
Is the offense good because of Markus Howard or Wojo?
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Hold my Beer brewcity77 - Dave Leitao
You aren't seriously dumb enough to try to use one data point over a four year stretch as indicative of anything greater than that, are you?
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You aren't seriously dumb enough to try to use one data point over a four year stretch as indicative of anything greater than that, are you?
I mean...... I can start citing lack of ball movement, offensive system, and player development offensively.
The fact you think Wojo is an elite offensive coach has me laughing. You're more clueless than Wojo up 3 when the other team brings the ball up the court.
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This is feeling like the gravy on the frosting of Wojo's demise. "Stan" defection(s) would not surprise and we are facing a minimally talented roster without a lead/successful recruiter. Can't miss on this coaching hire and it must be quick.
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I mean...... I can start citing lack of ball movement, offensive system, and player development offensively.
The fact you think Wojo is an elite offensive coach has me laughing. You're more clueless than Wojo up 3 when the other team brings the ball up the court.
You can start citing all the BS you like, but what the actual results prove you wrong. You don't have to like the math, but it's real.
I would part ways with Wojo today, but the offense isn't the reason why.
John Calipari, Randy Bennett, Jay Wright, Chris Mack, Mike Krzyzweski, Bill Self, & Mark Few are the only other coaches in the country to be top-35 in offensive efficiency each of the past 4 years. You don't have to like the guy, but only an idiot would refuse to concede he's ran an elite offense.
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You can start citing all the BS you like, but what the actual results prove you wrong. You don't have to like the math, but it's real.
I would part ways with Wojo today, but the offense isn't the reason why.
John Calipari, Randy Bennett, Jay Wright, Chris Mack, Mike Krzyzweski, Bill Self, & Mark Few are the only other coaches in the country to be top-35 in offensive efficiency each of the past 4 years. You don't have to like the guy, but only an idiot would refuse to concede he's ran an elite offense.
An elite offense doesn't get shutdown when one guy is contained or stopped.
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You can start citing all the BS you like, but what the actual results prove you wrong. You don't have to like the math, but it's real.
I would part ways with Wojo today, but the offense isn't the reason why.
John Calipari, Randy Bennett, Jay Wright, Chris Mack, Mike Krzyzweski, Bill Self, & Mark Few are the only other coaches in the country to be top-35 in offensive efficiency each of the past 4 years. You don't have to like the guy, but only an idiot would refuse to concede he's ran an elite offense.
The stats are what they are Brew. Yet, it also must be acknowledged that the last 4 years were buoyed by having the programs all-time leading scorer - by a wide margin - on the roster. Rowsey also was one of our most elite offensive players. Sam was solid AF. We can credit Wojo for getting those players together, but truly I don’t think we can say it is Wojo’s coaching/scheme that are why we’ve ranked so high last 4 years.
Assume we don’t get Mane or Carton, do you think we stand any chance of being a Top 50 offense next year? If no major offensive piece is added I suspect we are in the 75-125 range.
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Sadly, there are many Projos who will tune into LMU games just to root against Stan.
Sad.
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Assume we don’t get Mane or Carton, do you think we stand any chance of being a Top 50 offense next year? If no major offensive piece is added I suspect we are in the 75-125 range.
I’m far more worried about next year's defense. I look at how far Sacar and Bailey came as shooters and how we were all panicked about the loss of shooting and yet we were still one of the top 3PFG% teams. They'll find a way on that end.
But defensively, Howard was better than people give him credit for. Anim was our best defensive wing. And while Jayce was just an average defender, his rebounding ended a lot of possessions. While we add speed and length with the freshmen, that was the same thing we thought would help this year & it didn't.
We might take a small step back offensively, but I feel like we'll take a giant leap back defensively.
And while there's the "Howard glossed over the offensive inadequacies" argument, so did Fischer, Rowsey, the Hausers, and we thrived after all of them left. The defense, on the other hand, has never really thrived. I feel like a repeat of 2018 is probably on the table for next year.
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Sadly, there are many Projos who will tune into LMU games just to root against Stan.
Sad.
What?
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What?
You missed the sarcasm. ProJos have posted many times here that those of us who are NoJos tuned in wanting us to lose or hoping for us to lose.
I’m as big of NoJo as there’s been but I never have rooted for MU to lose. However, it is now getting to that point as it seems our Admin are enamored with Wojo via extending undeserved contract extensions. At some point they need to face reality - we are not getting ROI commensurate with the investment. So. What is the wake up call? Perhaps a train wreck of a season will finally be enough to compel them to action.
Yet that all being said, it would still be impossible for me to legitimately root against MU.
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I'm not sure what the too old comment was in reference to but no I remember them. But I didn't remember that both were coming off NCAA appearances at the time. I think the MAC and Sun Belt are both low major conferences whereas the WCC is mid-major but maybe the fact that they were coming off tournament appearances makes them better starting points than LMU.
The MAC, at the time, was a mid-major, multi-bid league. Teams were making runs like Kent State and Miami and they were frequently getting multiple bids, Ball State included. WKU was coming off three straight tourney appearances. Like Gonzaga, they were at a higher level than the rest of the conference. LMU has been a bottom feeder in the WCC, only having 7 winning records in 30 years (with 10 seasons single digit victories). But maybe the facts need to shift because it’s Saint Stan we’re talking about...
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The MAC, at the time, was a mid-major, multi-bid league. Teams were making runs like Kent State and Miami and they were frequently getting multiple bids, Ball State included. WKU was coming off three straight tourney appearances. Like Gonzaga, they were at a higher level than the rest of the conference. LMU has been a bottom feeder in the WCC, only having 7 winning records in 30 years (with 10 seasons single digit victories). But maybe the facts need to shift because it’s Saint Stan we’re talking about...
I think you have confused with someone else. I've never been on the Stan the Savior bandwagon, quite the opposite in fact. I asked a simple question and then agreed with you when you made a counterpoint. And I'll agree again, the MAC was better than I remembered at that time.
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The MAC, at the time, was a mid-major, multi-bid league. Teams were making runs like Kent State and Miami and they were frequently getting multiple bids, Ball State included. WKU was coming off three straight tourney appearances. Like Gonzaga, they were at a higher level than the rest of the conference. LMU has been a bottom feeder in the WCC, only having 7 winning records in 30 years (with 10 seasons single digit victories). But maybe the facts need to shift because it’s Saint Stan we’re talking about...
What do you have against “Saint Stan?” Share for us how you feel he failed the program and our university?
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I’m far more worried about next year's defense. I look at how far Sacar and Bailey came as shooters and how we were all panicked about the loss of shooting and yet we were still one of the top 3PFG% teams. They'll find a way on that end.
But defensively, Howard was better than people give him credit for. Anim was our best defensive wing. And while Jayce was just an average defender, his rebounding ended a lot of possessions. While we add speed and length with the freshmen, that was the same thing we thought would help this year & it didn't.
We might take a small step back offensively, but I feel like we'll take a giant leap back defensively.
And while there's the "Howard glossed over the offensive inadequacies" argument, so did Fischer, Rowsey, the Hausers, and we thrived after all of them left. The defense, on the other hand, has never really thrived. I feel like a repeat of 2018 is probably on the table for next year.
My gut says just the opposite. We will be better defensively, but worse offensively. I think our D rating is better than our O rating at end of year. Guess we will see.
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If you read anything about the current state of the coaching carousel in college basketball, it's that there are very few openings this year, due to the virus and after effects. It's more of an indictment on the situation at MU.
Last year more coaching movement and he was not grabbed. Maybe a better opportunity didn’t exist. I’m not sold that if it wasn’t for a past MU connection with LMU’s AD, does he get hired at all?
Not to you but to others in the stream, LMU May play in a fairly strong conference, but that doesn’t overcome where they are amongst their conference peers. If one were to calculate the total wins and losses of that conference the past 30 years, LMU will be near the bottom.
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Last year more coaching movement and he was not grabbed. Maybe a better opportunity didn’t exist. I’m not sold that if it wasn’t for a past MU connection with LMU’s AD, does he get hired at all?
Not to you but to others in the stream, LMU May play in a fairly strong conference, but that doesn’t overcome where they are amongst their conference peers. If one were to calculate the total wins and losses of that conference the past 30 years, LMU will be near the bottom.
He was a finalist at Fresno a couple years ago and turned down an interview at Southern Utah, his alma mater, just before that.
No idea why you’ve chosen this topic to sh*t on Stan though.
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An elite offense doesn't get shutdown when one guy is contained or stopped.
Mike
How dare you argue with a basketball expert! You forget yourself, sir!
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Mike
How dare you argue with a basketball expert! You forget yourself, sir!
Aww did brewcity hurt Keefer’s feelings somewhere along the way?
Always good to just dig in and say, “forget the data. I know better than numbers!”
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Aww did brewcity hurt Keefer’s feelings somewhere along the way?
Always good to just dig in and say, “forget the data. I know better than numbers!”
Little does Brew City know, but his numbers are outliers that are propped up by Markus Howard. Take him away and there's nothing left.....ohhh wait.... that's what happened the last several games of the season.
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Little does Brew City know, but his numbers are outliers that are propped up by Markus Howard. Take him away and there's nothing left.....ohhh wait.... that's what happened the last several games of the season.
Markus Howard was taken away the last several games of the season? In the last 5 he averaged 33.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, and 3.8 apg while shooting an eFG% of 61.2%.
Besides the Creighton game, the offense was not a problem during the collapse. Even the DePaul game was statistically okay offense because of how often we got to the free throw line. The defense is where the roof caved in.
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Markus Howard was taken away the last several games of the season? In the last 5 he averaged 33.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, and 3.8 apg while shooting an eFG% of 61.2%.
Besides the Creighton game, the offense was not a problem during the collapse. Even the DePaul game was statistically okay offense because of how often we got to the free throw line. The defense is where the roof caved in.
Okay offense........not Elite offense as the context suggests.
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Okay offense........not Elite offense as the context suggests.
In one game. The others...
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Little does Brew City know, but his numbers are outliers that are propped up by Markus Howard. Take him away and there's nothing left.....ohhh wait.... that's what happened the last several games of the season.
Who's Markus Howard?
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Little does Brew City know, but his numbers are outliers that are propped up by Markus Howard. Take him away and there's nothing left.....ohhh wait.... that's what happened the last several games of the season.
Lol.
Once you take away MJ's contributions to those 90s Bulls teams, they aren't very good.
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Lol.
Once you take away MJ's contributions to those 90s Bulls teams, they aren't very good.
Didn't the bulls make the conference finals without him?
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Didn't the bulls make the conference finals without him?
Semifinals. They lost on a terrible call in Game 7.
The Knicks went on to beat the Pacers in the famed Reggie Miller series.
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Didn't the bulls make the conference finals without him?
If you discount Lebron, the Cavs were pretty average.
I could go on and on with examples. But I think the point is understood.
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Semifinals. They lost on a terrible call in Game 7.
The Knicks went on to beat the Pacers in the famed Reggie Miller series.
The famed Reggie Miller series was in 1995, and the Pacers won.
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The famed Reggie Miller series was in 1995, and the Pacers won.
No the one where Reggie went off and got into it with Spike was 1994. Game 5 I believe. They lost game six back in Indy and game 7 in New York.
They played the next year in the conference semifinals and the Pacers won. Then lost to the Magic in the conference finals.
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No the one where Reggie went off and got into it with Spike was 1994. Game 5 I believe. They lost game six back in Indy and game 7 in New York.
They played the next year in the conference semifinals and the Pacers won. Then lost to the Magic in the conference finals.
I was thinking 1995, when Miller scored 8 points in the last 8 seconds of game 1.
We apparently have a difference of opinion of which series was more famous.
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If you discount Lebron, the Cavs were pretty average.
I could go on and on with examples. But I think the point is understood.
Of course. Take Markus off Marquette and how good are we?
Usually losing a 1st Team All American and all-time great is tough to replace.
We went 8-10 in Big East with him. Hardly comparable to your previous examples of taking LeBron, Jordan, or Rodgers off their teams - they all won big time.
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Of course. Take Markus off Marquette and how good are we?
Usually losing a 1st Team All American and all-time great is tough to replace.
We went 8-10 in Big East with him. Hardly comparable to your previous examples of taking LeBron, Jordan, or Rodgers off their teams - they all won big time.
Misunderstanding.
I was responding to a poster talking about how bad our offense is if you take Markus away. Nothing to do with winning.
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Lol.
Once you take away MJ's contributions to those 90s Bulls teams, they aren't very good.
Yeah..... having 2 HOFers in Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen construes a "not very good" team. I mean it's hard to analyze for some people when the bright, shiny objects aren't there anymore.
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Yeah..... having 2 HOFers in Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen construes a "not very good" team. I mean it's hard to analyze for some people when the bright, shiny objects aren't there anymore.
Rodman wasn’t on the MJ less Bulls teams.
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Markus Howard was taken away the last several games of the season? In the last 5 he averaged 33.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, and 3.8 apg while shooting an eFG% of 61.2%.
Besides the Creighton game, the offense was not a problem during the collapse. Even the DePaul game was statistically okay offense because of how often we got to the free throw line. The defense is where the roof caved in.
Oh, you and your "facts" and "stats" and "data."
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Rodman wasn’t on the MJ less Bulls teams.
For those who haven't been paying attention to current events.....
"Once you take away MJ's contributions to those 90s Bulls teams, they aren't very good"
my response:
Yeah..... having 2 HOFers in Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen construes a "not very good" team. I mean it's hard to analyze for some people when the bright, shiny objects aren't there anymore.
In essence, you're wrong because MJ didn't contribute anything to the teams he wasn't on. #Read2Succeed
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For those who haven't been paying attention to current events.....
"Once you take away MJ's contributions to those 90s Bulls teams, they aren't very good"
my response:
Yeah..... having 2 HOFers in Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen construes a "not very good" team. I mean it's hard to analyze for some people when the bright, shiny objects aren't there anymore.
In essence, you're wrong because MJ didn't contribute anything to the teams he wasn't on. #Read2Succeed
I think you dug a hole and are trying to dig your way out.
I think though you could argue that without MJ that the Bulls might be not be a horrible team but you can’t say that the Bulls would have been as good or even won a title. Based on who was on the team because of Jordan I would say they might have been good. I think it would be much more likely that the Bulls weren’t very good than the team of the decade.
However we have to take away all of Jordan’s contributions. People came to the 90s Bulls to play with Jordan. They drafted Pippen to augment Jordan against the Piston. Without Jordan, Bulls likely don’t draft Pippen. Regardless, People don’t come to the Bulls on a team built around Pippen. Rodman likely doesn’t come to the Bulls for the second run. Without Jordan, Krause would not have looked like a genius so he likely would haven’t gotten fired because he was a pain to work with. That likely means the Bulls don’t get Kukoc.
Also Dennis Rodman only played on the second run not the first one so having the statement that two hall of famers is more wrong than someone saying they weren’t going to be very good. In the one playoff year without Jordan they lost in the second round. So I think intent of the other poster’s comment about without Jordan being on the Bulls they aren’t as good rings more true than yours.
I think the sentiment of the contrarian statement is also more accurate which is you can’t take away a member of the team and say without that player we wouldn’t be as good. One because you take away the best player without context than that is true for any team. Two because without Markus we would have gotten a different guard. Hausers would likely have stayed so we would just have a different team and it could be that we would have been more efficient. I can go on and on about what could have been but we had Markus so the offense was the offense.
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No need to bury him further, his ass is the only thing showing in that hole.
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I thought this was a thread about Stan Johnson ????
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I thought this was a thread about Stan Johnson ????
Ballboy trying to make this thread about his Johnson! ProWojer's distorting reality is quite hilarious.
Stan leaves with his West Coast pipeline and the ProWojer's are on the defensive now. It's only a matter of time before the vortex of the toilet bowl sucks them in. Meanwhile the ride on the side of the bowl has them dizzied.
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Ballboy trying to make this thread about his Johnson! ProWojer's distorting reality is quite hilarious.
Stan leaves with his West Coast pipeline and the ProWojer's are on the defensive now. It's only a matter of time before the vortex of the toilet bowl sucks them in. Meanwhile the ride on the side of the bowl has them dizzied.
The nojoers sounds like Chicos. Threads constantly getting derailed with the same comments in every thread. When called out about it, “it wasn’t me! Those damn projoers just can’t help themselves.”
The innocent victims. Always. They never have any part in a thread going off topic. It’s just the clueless nojoers.
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Ballboy trying to make this thread about his Johnson! ProWojer's distorting reality is quite hilarious.
Stan leaves with his West Coast pipeline and the ProWojer's are on the defensive now. It's only a matter of time before the vortex of the toilet bowl sucks them in. Meanwhile the ride on the side of the bowl has them dizzied.
I forget Junior High is out due to coronavirus so little MDDG is at the computer.
No one is defensive. Stan was a great assistant coach. Hopefully he does great as a head coach. Unlike you, the rest of us look at facts instead of junior high temper tantrums. Fact - Stan wasn’t on the staff when MU got its first MCD AA commit. Recruiting was good prior to Stan and it will continue after.
I know Stan was your best hope of firing Wojo yet keeping the amazing class that has been pulled together at Marquette. I am sure you cried in your lucky charms when Stan left. I know in your mind you spun him up to be the greatest coach ever and savior of the program but he wasn’t. He was a very good assistant.
I am also keenly aware that all the players who you say sucked so badly and were cancers to the program where brought in by Stan. Weird, how you forget that in your glowing praise.
I also forgot who hired Stan into the program.
If you could actually say something smart, people might listen to your argument about why Wojo should be fired.
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The nojoers sounds like Chicos. Threads constantly getting derailed with the same comments in every thread. When called out about it, “it wasn’t me! Those damn projoers just can’t help themselves.”
The innocent victims. Always. They never have any part in a thread going off topic. It’s just the clueless nojoers.
Not to stereotype, but there’s a lot this rhetoric going on in the world. They’ve been enabled.
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I forget Junior High is out due to coronavirus so little MDDG is at the computer.
No one is defensive. Stan was a great assistant coach. Hopefully he does great as a head coach. Unlike you, the rest of us look at facts instead of junior high temper tantrums. Fact - Stan wasn’t on the staff when MU got its first MCD AA commit. Recruiting was good prior to Stan and it will continue after.
I know Stan was your best hope of firing Wojo yet keeping the amazing class that has been pulled together at Marquette. I am sure you cried in your lucky charms when Stan left. I know in your mind you spun him up to be the greatest coach ever and savior of the program but he wasn’t. He was a very good assistant.
I am also keenly aware that all the players who you say sucked so badly and were cancers to the program where brought in by Stan. Weird, how you forget that in your glowing praise.
I also forgot who hired Stan into the program.
If you could actually say something smart, people might listen to your argument about why Wojo should be fired.
We got our first McD’s AA because we were willing to give three years of scholarship to his hack brother, who was at best a low major player. Wojo didn’t land Henry because of his great recruiting skills. He landed him because he struck a deal with the Ellensons.
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We got our first McD’s AA because we were willing to give three years of scholarship to his hack brother, who was at best a low major player. Wojo didn’t land Henry because of his great recruiting skills. He landed him because he struck a deal with the Ellensons.
Aka he had a recruiting strategy that worked...
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We got our first McD’s AA because we were willing to give three years of scholarship to his hack brother, who was at best a low major player. Wojo didn’t land Henry because of his great recruiting skills. He landed him because he struck a deal with the Ellensons.
Uhh ... isn't that recruiting?
Seriously, some of the nojos have very good points. It's unfortunate for them that those points get lost in the utterly insipid babble that dominates these discussions.
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What do you have against “Saint Stan?” Share for us how you feel he failed the program and our university?
I don’t believe he failed, but I don’t believe he was infallible as he was made out to be. Assistants are more than just recruiting and so many were trying to pin the blame solely on Wojo while claiming Stan was some savior and if he were the head coach the team is winning the BE title. Classic back up quarterback thinking.
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Stan did a good job recruiting West but is that really MU’s recruiting area, to me, no. MU needs to recruit the Mideast and East. Stan did a great job getting 4 kids to come East, if he could do that, that should be easy for him to recruit LA’s kids to LMU. Great campus, good luck Stan, hope you succeed.
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Stan did a good job recruiting West but is that really MU’s recruiting area, to me, no. MU needs to recruit the Mideast and East. Stan did a great job getting 4 kids to come East, if he could do that, that should be easy for him to recruit LA’s kids to LMU. Great campus, good luck Stan, hope you succeed.
It's recruiting...
You want as big of a pipeline as you can get.
Queue up ESPN 30 for 30 "How the West was Lost" - story of how Wojo's 5 game skid, sent Stan packing.
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Aka he had a recruiting strategy that worked...
Well "worked" is a bit of a stretch. I'd say it ended in disaster
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It's recruiting...
You want as big of a pipeline as you can get.
Queue up ESPN 30 for 30 "How the West was Lost" - story of how Wojo's 5 game skid, sent Stan packing.
🤡
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Well "worked" is a bit of a stretch. I'd say it ended in disaster
A “disaster?” We landed the BE top freshman.
You mean how Wally left? Who cares? He wasn’t very good and we didn’t miss him.
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We got our first McD’s AA because we were willing to give three years of scholarship to his hack brother, who was at best a low major player. Wojo didn’t land Henry because of his great recruiting skills. He landed him because he struck a deal with the Ellensons.
At best a low major player?
He was a consensus 3 star recruit and played at a Big Ten program. He received offers from other high major programs in P6 conferences.
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At best a low major player?
He was a consensus 3 star recruit and played at a Big Ten program. He received offers from other high major programs in P6 conferences.
Counterpint: everyone could see he wasn't very good.
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Counterpint: everyone could see he wasn't very good.
Why was he a 3 star rated player?
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Wally-Ellenson-24000/RecruitInterests/
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/143108/wally-ellenson
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2012/wally-ellenson-13522
If everyone could see that why did so many offer a scholarship? West Virginia, Dayton, Minnesota, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Utah, SLU. Appears everyone did not see this.
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He was overrated coming out of high school. Did you actually watch him play? He wasn't very good at Minnesota and he wasn't very good at Marquette.
He was brought here for one reason only - to get Henry.
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It's not uncommon for family members to be involved in the recruiting process. You can find plenty examples of fathers being put on the coaching staffs to seal a recruit's signature.
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Well "worked" is a bit of a stretch. I'd say it ended in disaster
Lol. He had a recruiting strategy to land the kid. He landed the kid. His recruiting strategy worked.
But sure. If you want to be butthurt that Walter Ellenson left the program, don't let me stop those tears.
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Why was he a 3 star rated player?
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Wally-Ellenson-24000/RecruitInterests/
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/143108/wally-ellenson
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2012/wally-ellenson-13522
If everyone could see that why did so many offer a scholarship? West Virginia, Dayton, Minnesota, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Utah, SLU. Appears everyone did not see this.
Wally was not willing to focus solely on basketball. He was a borderline world class high jumper. He wanted to do both. If he had focused on one or the other, he might have been more successful in his only chosen sport.
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Wally was not willing to focus solely on basketball. He was a borderline world class high jumper. He wanted to do both. If he had focused on one or the other, he might have been more successful in his only chosen sport.
I meant to share this quite awhile ago that made me think of Wally.
My kids high school cross country coach played D-2 basketball and was also high jumper for Southern Connecticut State University. He was a D-2 All-American jumper in 1994-1995-1996.
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He was a consensus 3 star recruit...
That is a compliment you don’t hear too often in recruiting circles...
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I meant to share this quite awhile ago that made me think of Wally.
My kids high school cross country coach played D-2 basketball and was also high jumper for Southern Connecticut State University. He was a D-2 All-American jumper in 1994-1995-1996.
But, what was his neck size?
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Stan discusses his new job:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1242449045219573760?s=19
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Lol. He had a recruiting strategy to land the kid. He landed the kid. His recruiting strategy worked.
But sure. If you want to be butthurt that Walter Ellenson left the program, don't let me stop those tears.
Better than leaving that last scholarship open, or upgrading a walk-on.... and Wally averaged 21ppg last year for the Telecom Business Hub Jets in the NZ NBL.
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Better than leaving that last scholarship open, or upgrading a walk-on.... and Wally averaged 21ppg last year for the Telecom Business Hub Jets in the NZ NBL.
Come on man. He averaged less than 5 in Argentina’s top league and under 10 in the Canadien NBL. That tells you what kind of league it is in NZ. It’s semi-pro. The “real” pro team in Auckland plays in the Aussie NBL
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That is a compliment you don’t hear too often in recruiting circles...
You almost never hear it for an at best low major recruit, Silent Verbal’s comment.
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You almost never hear it for an at best low major recruit, Silent Verbal’s comment.
Wally was a bad basketball player, Chico. I don’t know what Minnesota was thinking when they recruited him, but he belonged in the Horizon League.
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Wally was a bad basketball player, Chico. I don’t know what Minnesota was thinking when they recruited him, but he belonged in the Horizon League.
Minnesota was thinking the same thing we (and everyone else who recruited Wally) was thinking - his baby brother is really good.
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I can't believe this is even a discussion
When you're a first-year coach at a place like Marquette and you're recruiting against the likes of Kentucky and Duke for a kid, you do whatever you can (within the rules, I would hope) to rise to the top.
Wojo took advantage of an opportunity to bring in Wally in order to get Henry.
For this be should be praised.
Any other take on this situation is, frankly, quite dumb.
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I can't believe this is even a discussion
When you're a first-year coach at a place like Marquette and you're recruiting against the likes of Kentucky and Duke for a kid, you do whatever you can (within the rules, I would hope) to rise to the top.
Wojo took advantage of an opportunity to bring in Wally in order to get Henry.
For this be should be praised.
Any other take on this situation is, frankly, quite dumb.
This, obviously.
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I can't believe this is even a discussion
When you're a first-year coach at a place like Marquette and you're recruiting against the likes of Kentucky and Duke for a kid, you do whatever you can (within the rules, I would hope) to rise to the top.
Wojo took advantage of an opportunity to bring in Wally in order to get Henry.
For this be should be praised.
Any other take on this situation is, frankly, quite dumb.
He would have been raked over to coals if he hadn’t. And as the more rational here have shown, Wally was a legit recruit.
But the same people who would have ripped Wojo to shreds for not doing the deal are ripping for doing it. He just can’t win.
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I can't believe this is even a discussion
When you're a first-year coach at a place like Marquette and you're recruiting against the likes of Kentucky and Duke for a kid, you do whatever you can (within the rules, I would hope) to rise to the top.
Wojo took advantage of an opportunity to bring in Wally in order to get Henry.
For this be should be praised.
Any other take on this situation is, frankly, quite dumb.
Agreed. But let's be honest.... Ellenson's minutes would have been reduced on any of those teams given his "skillset". I feel going to one of those places may have hurt his draft stock a tad.
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Not sure why you are putting quotes around skillset. He was very much a skilled college player.
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Agreed. But let's be honest.... Ellenson's minutes would have been reduced on any of those teams given his "skillset". I feel going to one of those places may have hurt his draft stock a tad.
He probably would've been reigned in from outside shooting but he still would've been a high impact player, and potentially would've helped his stock because he could've been more efficient in less minutes.
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Another wonderful Scoop wormhole. Started with Stan getting a well-deserved head-coaching gig ... so of course now we're rehashing the recruitment and coaching of the Ellensons.
Can't believe I'm the first to point out the obvious:
smoke and mirrors
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You almost never hear it for an at best low major recruit, Silent Verbal’s comment.
Is Chico's still denying that he is Warrior's Dad?
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Is Chico's still denying that he is Warrior's Dad?
Not saying he is or he isn't. But the stats show that after not posting at all from Feb. 1-28, WarriorDad has posted 101 times since Feb. 29 (and those are just the ones that weren't taken down by mods).
I guess it's just a crazy coincidence that hoopaloop was sent packin' (again) in the same time frame.
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WarriorsDad is a Cubs fan. Chicos is an Angels fan. Therefore, WarriorsDad is not Chicos. I heard it on the internet.
Case closed.
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Not saying he is or he isn't. But the stats show that after not posting at all from Feb. 1-28, WarriorDad has posted 101 times since Feb. 29 (and those are just the ones that weren't taken down by mods).
I guess it's just a crazy coincidence that hoopaloop was sent packin' (again) in the same time frame.
A clown is a clown. No coincidence.
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I can't believe this is even a discussion
When you're a first-year coach at a place like Marquette and you're recruiting against the likes of Kentucky and Duke for a kid, you do whatever you can (within the rules, I would hope) to rise to the top.
Wojo took advantage of an opportunity to bring in Wally in order to get Henry.
For this be should be praised.
Any other take on this situation is, frankly, quite dumb.
Of course.
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Not saying he is or he isn't. But the stats show that after not posting at all from Feb. 1-28, WarriorDad has posted 101 times since Feb. 29 (and those are just the ones that weren't taken down by mods).
I guess it's just a crazy coincidence that hoopaloop was sent packin' (again) in the same time frame.
Debated whether to spend one second on this. Let this go unanswered and it becomes true, or respond.
To my knowledge none of my messages were taken down. Why would they be?
Since Feb 29th you have over 170 messages. In that period of time with MU in the stretch run of the season, Coronavirus pandemic taking over the country, Markus Howard AA discussion. NCAA and Big East tournaments canceled, and I have made all of three messages per day here? Some of you have 15 or more a day.
The person you and others keep saying I am was still messaging when I returned which means your theory is wrong. This place was so negative and ugly a step away from here was my decision. My choice. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59845.msg1200996#msg1200996
Thank you for the hit job and smear. Maybe go back to reading only again.
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Debated whether to spend one second on this. Let this go unanswered and it becomes true, or respond.
To my knowledge none of my messages were taken down. Why would they be?
Since Feb 29th you have over 170 messages. In that period of time with MU in the stretch run of the season, Coronavirus pandemic taking over the country, Markus Howard AA discussion. NCAA and Big East tournaments canceled, and I have made all of three messages per day here? Some of you have 15 or more a day.
The person you and others keep saying I am was still messaging when I returned which means your theory is wrong. This place was so negative and ugly a step away from here was my decision. My choice. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59845.msg1200996#msg1200996
Thank you for the hit job and smear. Maybe go back to reading only again.
Chico’s you are correct that comparing someone to Chico’s is a “hot job and a smear.”
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Debated whether to spend one second on this. Let this go unanswered and it becomes true, or respond.
To my knowledge none of my messages were taken down. Why would they be?
Since Feb 29th you have over 170 messages. In that period of time with MU in the stretch run of the season, Coronavirus pandemic taking over the country, Markus Howard AA discussion. NCAA and Big East tournaments canceled, and I have made all of three messages per day here? Some of you have 15 or more a day.
The person you and others keep saying I am was still messaging when I returned which means your theory is wrong. This place was so negative and ugly a step away from here was my decision. My choice. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59845.msg1200996#msg1200996
Thank you for the hit job and smear. Maybe go back to reading only again.
Classic Chicos response.
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Debated whether to spend one second on this. Let this go unanswered and it becomes true, or respond.
To my knowledge none of my messages were taken down. Why would they be?
Since Feb 29th you have over 170 messages. In that period of time with MU in the stretch run of the season, Coronavirus pandemic taking over the country, Markus Howard AA discussion. NCAA and Big East tournaments canceled, and I have made all of three messages per day here? Some of you have 15 or more a day.
The person you and others keep saying I am was still messaging when I returned which means your theory is wrong. This place was so negative and ugly a step away from here was my decision. My choice. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59845.msg1200996#msg1200996
Thank you for the hit job and smear. Maybe go back to reading only again.
What's a chicos?
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Stan made a farewell slideshow.
https://twitter.com/LMUCoachJohnson/status/1244240662113005568
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Stan made a farewell slideshow.
https://twitter.com/LMUCoachJohnson/status/1244240662113005568
That’s really classy and says a lot about Stan. I can’t remember any coach doing something like this when moving onto bigger and better things.
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Stan made a farewell slideshow.
https://twitter.com/LMUCoachJohnson/status/1244240662113005568
Really nice gesture. Class act.
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Really nice gesture. Class act.
Absolutely. Would seem Stan would be a viable candidate to come back to MU should he prove out to be a good coach at LMU over next few years, and if Wojo continues to underwhelm.
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Absolutely. Would seem Stan would be a viable candidate to come back to MU should he prove out to be a good coach at LMU over next few years, and if Wojo continues to underwhelm.
+1000
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Absolutely. Would seem Stan would be a viable candidate to come back to MU should he prove out to be a good coach at LMU over next few years, and if Wojo continues to underwhelm.
Possibly. I just envision him in the PAC 12 at some point if he does blossom.
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What's a chicos?
ok
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Stan finalizing his staff at LMU.
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1245062085798776836
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Stan finalizing his staff at LMU.
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1245062085798776836
Wow two former head coaches and a UCLA guy taking a step up in responsibility, nice work by Stan
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Wow two former head coaches and a UCLA guy taking a step up in responsibility, nice work by Stan
So any word about another assistant coach yet, of course, depending on where he lives could see somebody since he is not
being paid by MU yet? Or ask Mane or Carton, who is there favorite coach, never know???
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Wow two former head coaches and a UCLA guy taking a step up in responsibility, nice work by Stan
Yep. Really good job by Stan. As of last week Stan had not yet visited LMU. Multiple assistants with L.A. backgrounds too. He also hired a former MU student manager as his DBO.
There have been a couple of nice articles and a podcast about Stan lately, how he and his family left Liberia, West Africa at age 10 and settled in Utah. How he tried soccer and hoops. Southern Utah when they were an NCAA team. Bemidji St. Minnesota. Working with Sendek, Boyle, Wojo. He loved MU. He does like the L.A. weather though.
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Wow two former head coaches and a UCLA guy taking a step up in responsibility, nice work by Stan
Apparently Stan’s recruiting chops also extend to landing coaches. Seems he made good call to hire some guys with previous D-1 head coaching experience.
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Apparently Stan’s recruiting chops also extend to landing coaches. Seems he made good call to hire some guys with previous D-1 head coaching experience.
Maybe he learned something in his time here
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One of these coaches was an absolute train wreck in four years at Wyoming. Not exactly sure how many bidders there were for his services.
The other guy spent last year as an assistant at USD after being fired at Nevada. I guess hiring him away from a fellow conference member is something though.
But let’s not act like he hired a couple successful coaches here.
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Also remember that Wojo’s best assistants, including Stan, weren’t former head coaches. No idea why hiring failed head coaches is a sign of success. I mean, they may be good hires, but not because they were former head coaches. More likely because they have the LA recruiting experience LMU needs.
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This dude will be cutting down the nets one day.
And we'll all be thinking of what could have been.
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This dude will be cutting down the nets one day.
And we'll all be thinking of what could have been.
Highly unlikely. If that were the case, he would have been snatched up long ago. He was not on any top 10 assistant coach rankings of any of the last five years.
Do our fans know we also have a former head coach on our staff? Our fans want what he has done and our current staff already has done what he is doing.
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This dude will be cutting down the nets one day.
And we'll all be thinking of what could have been.
Serious question ... we know Stan is aces as a recruiter, but what do you know about his coaching acumen, player development skills, etc. that make you certain he's a championship-caliber head coach?
We've heard plenty of criticism of Wojo in these areas - a fair amount justified - but why is his #1 assistant absolved of these criticisms? Has Wojo spent the past five seasons ignoring brilliant strategy and player development suggestions from his associate head coach?
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Serious question ... we know Stan is aces as a recruiter, but what do you know about his coaching acumen, player development skills, etc. that make you certain he's a championship-caliber head coach?
We've heard plenty of criticism of Wojo in these areas - a fair amount justified - but why is his #1 assistant absolved of these criticisms? Has Wojo spent the past five seasons ignoring brilliant strategy and player development suggestions from his associate head coach?
Stan's gonna succeed because he had the foresight to hire an assistant who went 6-30 in the MWC his last two years as a head coach.
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Serious question ... we know Stan is aces as a recruiter, but what do you know about his coaching acumen, player development skills, etc. that make you certain he's a championship-caliber head coach?
We've heard plenty of criticism of Wojo in these areas - a fair amount justified - but why is his #1 assistant absolved of these criticisms? Has Wojo spent the past five seasons ignoring brilliant strategy and player development suggestions from his associate head coach?
We don't know. It is pure speculation. I'm not going to go so far as to say Stan will be cutting down the nets one day. I do think he will prove out to be a very good head coach, and will be coaching a high major within 5 years. My gut tells me he will be very successful at a high major.
I base this opinion off of the belief that the best coaches know how to get the absolute most out of a player, and are bright enough to see how all of the puzzle pieces of a roster fit together, and to truly know the psyche of each individual player - as to what are the best buttons to push.
I believe Stan has incredible people skills, and is quite bright. The level of basketball knowledge all D-1 coaches have, is vast. Some are slightly better at X's and O's than others. But some are definitely better recruiters and motivators than others. I believe Stan will be a great recruiter and extract the absolute most out of his players.
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I know Stan was a big reason Markus came here, but what other recruits did he help get? Or were we just in the final lists with some 5 stars that went elsewhere than Stan played a big role getting us that far?
Just wondering if Stan’s recruiting is a little overrated after we talked this year about our lack of talent.
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I know Stan was a big reason Markus came here, but what other recruits did he help get? Or were we just in the final lists with some 5 stars that went elsewhere than Stan played a big role getting us that far?
Just wondering if Stan’s recruiting is a little overrated after we talked this year about our lack of talent.
At least Bailey and Jayce. I could be wrong but I believe he got us Dexter Katin and Koby as well.
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At least Bailey and Jayce. I could be wrong but I believe he got us Dexter Katin and Koby as well.
Other than Markus, the rest where average to below average. I will say MU is to far from the West Coast kids, they tried Texas and failed there as well. Sure you can
pull some kids from there, but really Stan got Bailey and Markus for four years, the rest where transfers that were average. Hold judgement on Akenno, but what I saw a year ago he looked pretty good. But then again I really thought Koby was the real deal, and he was not.
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I know Stan was a big reason Markus came here, but what other recruits did he help get? Or were we just in the final lists with some 5 stars that went elsewhere than Stan played a big role getting us that far?
Just wondering if Stan’s recruiting is a little overrated after we talked this year about our lack of talent.
Tacking on to Galway - Most recently was lead on Dawson, and Oso. Also believe he was lead on Theo, Greg and Jamal. Prior to Killings coming on board, Stan was our primary recruiter with Brett Nelson also assisting as I recall.
I believe we've under-performed our talent level under Wojo on a consistent basis. Player development has not been very good.
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Tacking on to Galway - Most recently was lead on Dawson, and Oso. Also believe he was lead on Theo, Greg and Jamal. Prior to Killings coming on board, Stan was our primary recruiter with Brett Nelson also assisting as I recall.
I believe we've under-performed our talent level under Wojo on a consistent basis. Player development has not been very good.
Didn't he have something to do with Torrence as well?
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Tacking on to Galway - Most recently was lead on Dawson, and Oso. Also believe he was lead on Theo, Greg and Jamal. Prior to Killings coming on board, Stan was our primary recruiter with Brett Nelson also assisting as I recall.
I believe we've under-performed our talent level under Wojo on a consistent basis. Player development has not been very good.
Wojo was the lead on Dawson. Stan was the lead on Osa. DK was the lead on Lewis.
DK was the lead on Torrence.
Stan was the lead on pretty much everyone west of Minnesota.
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Didn't he have something to do with Torrence as well?
DK was the guy there.
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DK was the guy there.
Thanks
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Stan landed his first high school commit yesterday. Unrated in three services, a 2 star in another. A guard from Southern California. A glue guy that he will start to add more talent to. It is a slow process if done right. Add a 3 star here and there and it starts to build.
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Stan landed his first high school commit yesterday. Unrated in three services, a 2 star in another. A guard from Southern California. A glue guy that he will start to add more talent to. It is a slow process if done right. Add a 3 star here and there and it starts to build.
Oh man, you’re dedicated.
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Oh man, you’re dedicated.
Stan was excited on Twitter today talking about his recruit without being able to talk about his recruit (NCAA rules?).
https://scorebooklive.com/california/qa-with-lamaj-lewis-stan-johnsons-first-2021-loyola-marymount-basketball-commit-discusses-why-he-made-pledge/
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/lamaj-lewis
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Stan was excited on Twitter today talking about his recruit without being able to talk about his recruit (NCAA rules?).
https://scorebooklive.com/california/qa-with-lamaj-lewis-stan-johnsons-first-2021-loyola-marymount-basketball-commit-discusses-why-he-made-pledge/
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/lamaj-lewis
The young man has had a recent growth spurt. 6-6 point guard. Could be a classic late bloomer. Smart move by Stan.
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I love Stan but Superbar
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Echo that. I love what Stan did for us here, but time to move on from Stan. This is a Marquette board, not LMU.
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Those who can’t do— teach. Huh?
Those who can't teach, teach teachers. This is apropos of absolutely nothing.
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Stan landed his first high school commit yesterday. Unrated in three services, a 2 star in another. A guard from Southern California. A glue guy that he will start to add more talent to. It is a slow process if done right. Add a 3 star here and there and it starts to build.
What's the local scuttlebutt on Stan out in SoCal? You hearing good things?
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Wait, Stan is a head coach somewhere? Was there appropriate Wojo blaming for this?
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What's the local scuttlebutt on Stan out in SoCal? You hearing good things?
the locals would have to realize LMU basketball exists before there's any "scuttlebutt."
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the locals would have to realize LMU basketball exists before there's any "scuttlebutt."
Ditto
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Stan was excited on Twitter today talking about his recruit without being able to talk about his recruit (NCAA rules?).
https://scorebooklive.com/california/qa-with-lamaj-lewis-stan-johnsons-first-2021-loyola-marymount-basketball-commit-discusses-why-he-made-pledge/
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/lamaj-lewis
Stan?
I think you mean "Coach Johnson"
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What's the local scuttlebutt on Stan out in SoCal? You hearing good things?
Follow Coach Johnson's twitter feed
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Excellent Interview with Stan by Andy Katz
https://twitter.com/WCChoops/status/1263541334763323393
In addition to resigning 7-3 grad transfer Mattias Markusson , LMU and Stan have also picked up three nice high school prospects. Still has 4 spots open.
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Excellent Interview with Stan by Andy Katz
https://twitter.com/WCChoops/status/1263541334763323393
In addition to resigning 7-3 grad transfer Mattias Markusson , LMU and Stan have also picked up three nice high school prospects. Still has 4 spots open.
Who cares
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Who cares
Always good to monitor a future MU coach
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Always good to monitor a future MU coach
That’s fair
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Stan has a beautiful campus to recruit to at LMU.
https://twitter.com/LMUCoachJohnson/status/1266414813757886464
Has picked up some nice talent so far. Will be interesting to see how he fills out the rest of the spots.
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Stan has a beautiful campus to recruit to at LMU.
https://twitter.com/LMUCoachJohnson/status/1266414813757886464
Has picked up some nice talent so far. Will be interesting to see how he fills out the rest of the spots.
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Our guy Stan (who is already off to a strong start):
https://twitter.com/LMUCoachJohnson/status/1279122205012418561?s=19
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Our guy Stan (who is already off to a strong start):
https://twitter.com/LMUCoachJohnson/status/1279122205012418561?s=19
It’s a beautiful campus but I’m not sure about it being “elite.” A grad once described it to me as “a country club with weak academics.”
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I think it's reputation academically has improved quite a bit in the last decade or so.
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I think it's reputation academically has improved quite a bit in the last decade or so.
was rated ahead of Marquette in us new piece https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
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was rated ahead of Marquette in us new piece https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
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https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-07-09/stan-johnson-hopes-to-put-lmu-on-map-with-a-long-stay-in-l-a?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true
L.A Times feature on Stan.
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Stan's brother-in-law, Johnnie Bryant was hired today as Associate Head Coach of the New York Knicks, after six years as an assistant with Quin Snyder and the Utah Jazz.
He has been often credited by some NBA players such as Donovan Mitchell, Gordon Hayward, and being a mentor to Damian Lillard etc...for helping take their development to another level. He has a knack for skill development.
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Stan's brother-in-law, Johnnie Bryant was hired today as Associate Head Coach of the New York Knicks, after six years as an assistant with Quin Snyder and the Utah Jazz.
He has been often credited by some NBA players such as Donovan Mitchell, Gordon Hayward, and being a mentor to Damian Lillard etc...for helping take their development to another level. He has a knack for skill development.
Stan has made max use out of that connection over the years.
I think Stan will bring LMU into the upper tier of the WCC in a couple of years. He is already out of the gates fast recruiting in year one.
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First LMU dub for Stan:
https://twitter.com/lmulionsMBB/status/1331842325354430467?s=19
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It's a shame that so many Wojo-backers are rooting against him.
(Theyll never say it out loud, of course)
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It's a shame that so many Wojo-backers are rooting against him.
(Theyll never say it out loud, of course)
Huh? Why?
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Some early, heavy drinking going on today. No one that I can remember has ever criticized Stan for taking a HC job.
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It's a shame that so many Wojo-backers are rooting against him.
(Theyll never say it out loud, of course)
It's more of noticing inconsistencies of some posters to be obsessed with one former MU coach in comparison to others. Notice how there isn't a 12 page thread about Holy Cross.
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It's a shame that so many Wojo-backers are rooting against him.
(Theyll never say it out loud, of course)
Lol, what?
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It's more of noticing inconsistencies of some posters to be obsessed with one former MU coach in comparison to others. Notice how there isn't a 12 page thread about Holy Cross.
I started this thread. I wasn't active on the board when Brett Nelson left in 2017. Stan left this year, several months ago. Stan also has been signficantly more active on social media and has been generally more accessible than Brett. Feel free to start a Brett Nelson Holy Cross thread. I'm sure I'd probably post something in it some time. 👍
I believe even the most oddly disgruntled MU fans here would understand Stan leaving to advance his career goals. But I am also aware there is a certain small faction here that can't enjoy, recognize, or celebrate someone's success unless it is with MU. And yes I do find that strange, but, I recognize it exists with some of the more insular, tribal, people here.
Good for Stan and LMU.
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I started this thread. I wasn't active on the board when Brett Nelson left in 2017. Stan left this year, several months ago. Stan also has been signficantly more active on social media and has been generally more accessible than Brett. Feel free to start a Brett Nelson Holy Cross thread. I'm sure I'd probably post something in it some time. 👍
I believe even the most oddly disgruntled MU fans here would understand Stan leaving to advance his career goals. But I am also aware there is a certain small faction here that can't enjoy, recognize, or celebrate someone's success unless it is with MU. And yes I do find that strange, but, I recognize it exists with some of the more insular, tribal, people here.
Good for Stan and LMU.
I haven’t seen evidence of any Scooper even kinda-sorta rooting against Stan, but I allow that I might have missed it. Do you or Eldon have a link that supports this view?
I mean, I understand folks feeling hurt about Crean or Buzz, but it’s not logical to feel that way about Stan or Brett.
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It's a shame that so many Wojo-backers are rooting against him.
(Theyll never say it out loud, of course)
Legitimately curious, who here do you believe is rooting against Stan?
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I haven’t seen evidence of any Scooper even kinda-sorta rooting against Stan, but I allow that I might have missed it. Do you or Eldon have a link that supports this view?
I mean, I understand folks feeling hurt about Crean or Buzz, but it’s not logical to feel that way about Stan or Brett.
Maybe read the other person’s post again to whom I replied, DJOver. Then maybe read mine again.
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Legitimately curious, who here do you believe is rooting against Stan?
Anybody who roots for Wojo to succeed, duh.
And who in their right mind would want the head coach of Marquette’s basketball program to be successful?
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Legitimately curious, who here do you believe is rooting against Stan?
My thought is a theory built up by the guy who wanted to fire Wojo and promote Stan. Those not for it are rooting for Stan to fail to show that is a dumb idea. Also, maybe those that want to prove Wojo is the key to the recruiting success and not Stan.
Basically nonsense.
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Delighted to see Stan get a win over his alma mater.
Stan has built a nice pipeline of recruits at LMU and the future is bright.
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Unless LMU plays Marquette, I will be rooting for Stan to win every game.
He did a wonderful job for my alma mater, and I wish him great success as a head coach.
I seriously can’t imagine why any Warrior or Golden Eagle would feel differently.
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Unless LMU plays Marquette, I will be rooting for Stan to win every game.
He did a wonderful job for my alma mater, and I wish him great success as a head coach.
I seriously can’t imagine why any Warrior or Golden Eagle would feel differently.
+1
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I'm mostly rooting for Stan's jacket.
He did some really good work here and I hope nothing but the best for him there.
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Great Article on Stan and the recruitment of Dawson
https://www.startribune.com/lmu-coach-stan-johnson-s-ties-to-minnesota-include-recruiting-ex-prior-lake-star-dawson-garcia/573222221/
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Great Article on Stan and the recruitment of Dawson
https://www.startribune.com/lmu-coach-stan-johnson-s-ties-to-minnesota-include-recruiting-ex-prior-lake-star-dawson-garcia/573222221/
Too bad it's not outstanding
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LMU gave Minnesota a good battle On the road before losing. LMU and Minnesota played two games back to back . The Gophers won both games .
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Stan Johnson has been named a Finalist for the Ben Jobe Award, which is presented annually to the top Division 1 Minority Coach. He has also been named a Finalist for the Joe B. Hall Award which goes to the best First Year Coach in Division 1.
LMU had its first winning league record since 2011-2012. And, they finished 3rd or better in the WCC for the first time since 2005-2006. They were predicted to finish 7th.
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Stan Johnson has been named a Finalist for the Ben Jobe Award, which is presented annually to the top Division 1 Minority Coach. He has also been named a Finalist for the Joe B. Hall Award which goes to the best First Year Coach in Division 1.
LMU had its first winning league record since 2011-2012. And, they finished 3rd or better in the WCC for the first time since 2005-2006. They were predicted to finish 7th.
Love hearing this about Stan. He was instrumental in the recruitment of many of our best players during the past several years.
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There's an award named after Joe B. Hall!?! SMH
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There's an award named after Joe B. Hall!?! SMH
What's wrong with Joe B. Hall?
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Stan Johnson has been named a Finalist for the Ben Jobe Award, which is presented annually to the top Division 1 Minority Coach. He has also been named a Finalist for the Joe B. Hall Award which goes to the best First Year Coach in Division 1.
LMU had its first winning league record since 2011-2012. And, they finished 3rd or better in the WCC for the first time since 2005-2006. They were predicted to finish 7th.
Ive waffles back and forth on if firing wojo after this year is the right or wrong move. If we ride wojo out for at least another year or two and he gets things turned around with some March success going then great we have our coach for the foreseeable future. If he doesn’t and we remain a program spinning it’s tires in mediocrity then we keep one eye on what Stan is doing out west for the next 3 years and keep him on a short leash for a possible return in 2023 to take the program over.
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Ive waffles back and forth on if firing wojo after this year is the right or wrong move. If we ride wojo out for at least another year or two and he gets things turned around with some March success going then great we have our coach for the foreseeable future. If he doesn’t and we remain a program spinning it’s tires in mediocrity then we keep one eye on what Stan is doing out west for the next 3 years and keep him on a short leash for a possible return in 2023 to take the program over.
What's the point of waiting? The results are in.
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Stan had a very solid first season . 13-9. NET of 97. Has some solid recruits on the way.