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And Then Depression Set In
So maybe the correct reasoning for letting him play this year was "He didn't want to stay in school for six years?
If this is true...what happens next year when Burke gets in foul trouble? scary thought
So maybe the correct reasoning for letting him play this year was "He didn't want to stay in school for six years?
Or, perhaps more likely, Trevor didn't want to sit out two full seasons.
I'm pretty sure you only get five years to finish your four of eligibility, so he was only going to get to play three where ever he transferred to anyway, so we may as well have let him play. I could not understand the logic of playing him at all, but now it makes sense.
BrewCity: It's just a hunch.OK, a hunch...but based on what angle?
Kleinschmidt? Are you talking about Northwestern's Evan Eschemeyer? I thinK Kleinschmidt only played 4 years.
BrewCity: It's just a hunch.
If your name is Scott Padgett you are allowed to play in college as long as you like. I swear Pitino will find another hidden year of eligibility for him
THis just f-ing sucks. THis could turn out to be such a debacle.
From a short term standpoint, they almost have to keep BUzz Williams. I think everyone will be returning (minus Mbakwe) and the team will be solid regardless of who coaches next season. But man....this is just brutal.
THis just f-ing sucks. THis could turn out to be such a debacle.
From a short term standpoint, they almost have to keep BUzz Williams. I think everyone will be returning (minus Mbakwe) and the team will be solid regardless of who coaches next season. But man....this is just brutal.
I don't beleive it has nothing to do with Crean's departure. Crean has left our program in a mess now. He has UNDONE in 2 days whatever good he did here in 9 years.
We MUST hire a super head coach. Now. Or it's tough years ahead. Let's get a HC BETTER than Crean.
Baloney. Comments from our recruits and transfers should have no bearing on who we hire. And we have to let whoever we hire decide who his assistants are going to be.
How can you honestly say that because Trevor is transferring -- a guy who showed absolutely NOTHING to MU fans -- or because Ty Taylor, who was the 6th best prospect on his own high school team, is wavering that we should keep an assistant who has been here for less than a year.
You guys are in full out panic mode. We'll be fine!!
By the way, Buzz Williams is a bigger scumbag than Crean for what he did to New Orleans. Get rid of him and Rabineaux!!
I'm pretty sure you only get five years to finish your four of eligibility, so he was only going to get to play three where ever he transferred to anyway, so we may as well have let him play. I could not understand the logic of playing him at all, but now it makes sense.
Five years is the standard, but the NCAA has an appeals process by which a sixth year can be granted.
If, for example, Trevor's apparent transfer is the result of a legitimate family emergency/issue, that's something that would weigh in his favor.
Baloney. Comments from our recruits and transfers should have no bearing on who we hire. And we have to let whoever we hire decide who his assistants are going to be.You're putting an awful lot of faith in an unnamed coach's first recruiting class. Because the short term future looks grim (2-3 years, not next year).
How can you honestly say that because Trevor is transferring -- a guy who showed absolutely NOTHING to MU fans -- or because Ty Taylor, who was the 6th best prospect on his own high school team, is wavering that we should keep an assistant who has been here for less than a year.
You guys are in full out panic mode. We'll be fine!!
By the way, Buzz Williams is a bigger scumbag than Crean for what he did to New Orleans. Get rid of him and Rabineaux!!
Look at the current roster and remove Mbakwe and all Juniors and Seniors, then tell me that we can afford to lose an entire class of incoming recruits and we'll still be fine in 2 years.I don't beleive it has nothing to do with Crean's departure. Crean has left our program in a mess now. He has UNDONE in 2 days whatever good he did here in 9 years.
We MUST hire a super head coach. Now. Or it's tough years ahead. Let's get a HC BETTER than Crean.
A mess? We likely have four returning starters from a top 25 team that was within a couple inches of the Sweet 16, along with seven of the top nine in terms of minutes played.
Lord help us.
Yeah, it sucks that some of the incoming class may not be coming in, but that happens with a coaching change.
Baloney. Comments from our recruits and transfers should have no bearing on who we hire. And we have to let whoever we hire decide who his assistants are going to be.
How can you honestly say that because Trevor is transferring -- a guy who showed absolutely NOTHING to MU fans -- or because Ty Taylor, who was the 6th best prospect on his own high school team, is wavering that we should keep an assistant who has been here for less than a year.
You guys are in full out panic mode. We'll be fine!!
By the way, Buzz Williams is a bigger scumbag than Crean for what he did to New Orleans. Get rid of him and Rabineaux!!
Baloney. Comments from our recruits and transfers should have no bearing on who we hire. And we have to let whoever we hire decide who his assistants are going to be.
How can you honestly say that because Trevor is transferring -- a guy who showed absolutely NOTHING to MU fans -- or because Ty Taylor, who was the 6th best prospect on his own high school team, is wavering that we should keep an assistant who has been here for less than a year.
You guys are in full out panic mode. We'll be fine!!
By the way, Buzz Williams is a bigger scumbag than Crean for what he did to New Orleans. Get rid of him and Rabineaux!!
Nightmare, you're right.....Cubillan, Acker, Burke, Hazel and Mathews will definitely compete in the Big East. Oh and we don't need Erik Williams or Jamil Wilson, Christopherson will be great. Nothing to worry about, with Tubby in MN we shouldn't worry about recruiting the twin cities either.
Everyone agrees with that - there is no doubt that we absolutely need to hire a great coach.Baloney. Comments from our recruits and transfers should have no bearing on who we hire. And we have to let whoever we hire decide who his assistants are going to be.
How can you honestly say that because Trevor is transferring -- a guy who showed absolutely NOTHING to MU fans -- or because Ty Taylor, who was the 6th best prospect on his own high school team, is wavering that we should keep an assistant who has been here for less than a year.
You guys are in full out panic mode. We'll be fine!!
By the way, Buzz Williams is a bigger scumbag than Crean for what he did to New Orleans. Get rid of him and Rabineaux!!
Nightmare, you're right.....Cubillan, Acker, Burke, Hazel and Mathews will definitely compete in the Big East. Oh and we don't need Erik Williams or Jamil Wilson, Christopherson will be great. Nothing to worry about, with Tubby in MN we shouldn't worry about recruiting the twin cities either.
So MAYBE we suck next year...better than hireing the wrong coach and sucking for the next 20.
It appears that Buzz is a great recruiter, but keep in mind, we have never seen any of his recruits actually play. He's been with the program for nine months for goodness sake. And we want to hand the reins to him? Get a hold of yourselves! The recruits are obviously upset and concerned; we all are on some level. But you don't think if we hire Bennett or Miller, that Taylor or Williams will still think long and hard about coming to MU. These are big-time proven coaches. The recruits just don't want to be stuck with a no-name coach. Buzz Williams would be a BAD hire. Short term stability, yes. But long-term disaster.
It appears that Buzz is a great recruiter, but keep in mind, we have never seen any of his recruits actually play. He's been with the program for nine months for goodness sake. And we want to hand the reins to him? Get a hold of yourselves! The recruits are obviously upset and concerned; we all are on some level. But you don't think if we hire Bennett or Miller, that Taylor or Williams will still think long and hard about coming to MU. These are big-time proven coaches. The recruits just don't want to be stuck with a no-name coach. Buzz Williams would be a BAD hire. Short term stability, yes. But long-term disaster.
Exactly...some people think we should hire a substandard pilot so that we can keep the hot stewardess. That skirt is not going to look so hot anymore when the plane goes down in flames.
Why don't we let Hurley tell us who to name head coach? Or get the high school kids you are longing for together in a room and let them decide who is going to coach MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY OF THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE!!!
You're a complete buffoon!!
I repeat: our juniors are going nowhere. Trevor was basically nothing. And of our recruits, only Williams is highly regarded. Of the two big guys from Texas, one average 5 points a game and the other seems attached to Buzz Williams in a rather peculiar way.
Get rid of all of them and start over!
Why don't we let Hurley tell us who to name head coach? Or get the high school kids you are longing for together in a room and let them decide who is going to coach MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY OF THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE!!!
You're a complete buffoon!!
I repeat: our juniors are going nowhere. Trevor was basically nothing. And of our recruits, only Williams is highly regarded. Of the two big guys from Texas, one average 5 points a game and the other seems attached to Buzz Williams in a rather peculiar way.
Get rid of all of them and start over!
You need to pay more attention to recruiting if you're going to make blanket statements like that, because other than the unnatural attraction to Buzz your info is wrong. Taylor is the most highly rated of all the recruits. A total of 5 different services list him in their top 100, only 3 list Williams. And of those that list the two together only one has Williams higher than Taylor. In fact even the places that don't put them in the top 100 still have Taylor ahead of Williams.
And two, Otule averaged in double figures this year, not 5 points.
And for a guy that blasted Crean for having a wasted recruiting class a few years ago, what kind of scraps do you think will be left over for any new coach coming in? You toss these guys out there isn't much left.
Baloney. Comments from our recruits and transfers should have no bearing on who we hire. And we have to let whoever we hire decide who his assistants are going to be.
How can you honestly say that because Trevor is transferring -- a guy who showed absolutely NOTHING to MU fans -- or because Ty Taylor, who was the 6th best prospect on his own high school team, is wavering that we should keep an assistant who has been here for less than a year.
You guys are in full out panic mode. We'll be fine!!
By the way, Buzz Williams is a bigger scumbag than Crean for what he did to New Orleans. Get rid of him and Rabineaux!!
I never said that we have to hire Buzz and I wouldn't be happy to see that happen. I completely agree that we need to hire the best possible coach. And I don't think the recruits wishes should be considered in the decision.Why don't we let Hurley tell us who to name head coach? Or get the high school kids you are longing for together in a room and let them decide who is going to coach MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY OF THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE!!!
You're a complete buffoon!!
I repeat: our juniors are going nowhere. Trevor was basically nothing. And of our recruits, only Williams is highly regarded. Of the two big guys from Texas, one average 5 points a game and the other seems attached to Buzz Williams in a rather peculiar way.
Get rid of all of them and start over!
You need to pay more attention to recruiting if you're going to make blanket statements like that, because other than the unnatural attraction to Buzz your info is wrong. Taylor is the most highly rated of all the recruits. A total of 5 different services list him in their top 100, only 3 list Williams. And of those that list the two together only one has Williams higher than Taylor. In fact even the places that don't put them in the top 100 still have Taylor ahead of Williams.
And two, Otule averaged in double figures this year, not 5 points.
And for a guy that blasted Crean for having a wasted recruiting class a few years ago, what kind of scraps do you think will be left over for any new coach coming in? You toss these guys out there isn't much left.
And if we hire the wrong guy, it won't matter how talented these guys are or how highly regarded that recruiting class is period. They'll be gone in a year or two and we'll be left with what? AND even if we hired Buzz you can bet several of those recruiting gems still won't come to MU. They came to "play for Crean" remember?
The point here is we should (and I believe we will) hire the best coaching talent $1.5M can buy irrespective of what some 18/19 year old ballers (and a few nutso fans) think.
In a perfect world Buzz returns as an assistant next season. But here's the most likely scenario. It's either Buzz as our HC or as an assistant at IU. I believe this was stated in another thread as well.
I heard that Mbakwe was one of the guys that was extremely angry when he heard Crean was leaving. Why the hell would Mbawke care if he was on his way out anyways? Seems fishy.
not if he was transferring anyway - he would then sit out a year without having a red shirt to use, right? Or can you have both a transfer redshirt and a medical redshirt.I heard that Mbakwe was one of the guys that was extremely angry when he heard Crean was leaving. Why the hell would Mbawke care if he was on his way out anyways? Seems fishy.
Maybe because he burned up a year of eligibility for no apparent reason?
Keep in mind that whoever we bring in likely will have a list of recruits as well, which will dramatically alter that landscape. While as of this moment, we don't have interest in Marquette, that will change when (Insert New Coach's Name) takes over.
I know Trevor was hurt, but he showed me absolutey nothing.