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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: real chili 83 on November 23, 2018, 05:40:54 PM
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Cardinal livers on the menu.
Fellas rally. Big W tonight. Best part is I get to gloat in front of my UW in laws for the next 2 plus hours.
Sam (easy call) for SOTG.
GO WARRIORS!!!!!!
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I hope JC starts and earns another SOTG. We need him to be s regular part of the offensive flow and need him to play well to get the most out of Markus.
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I hope JC starts and earns another SOTG. We need him to be s regular part of the offensive flow and need him to play well to get the most out of Markus.
I hope he makes others SOTG.
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I hope he makes others SOTG.
I like that idea too
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F the Losers
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Two cardinals flew across my path this afternoon. Not sure what that means in terms of this game
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I hate ESPNs score graphic. Takes me too long to find the damn shot clock
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Not only did Cain get fouled but Enoch stood in the middle of the lane the entire possession!!!
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Morrow strikes
Sacar hurts us
Hard to win with sacar out there just nit very good
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Why did Morrow keep backing up on that defensive possession? Gave a wide open layup
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I'd like to be good at offense again.
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Just got to Goose Island and scored a seat at one of the few tables with the Marquette game on!
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Is John able to pass it back out?
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Man, it sure would be nice to be able to hit shots within 2ft of the hoop
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Jeez i really hope we aren’t just not very good.
Offense is terrible again. Missing bunnies.
This UL team isn’t good
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Maybe our elite coaching staff could teach Theo an up and under move????!!!
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This isn't great basketball. On either side
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Theo gotta stop the skyhook, not tall enough for that move
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Since when di Theo become the focal point of our offense and why in the F would we want him to be? Can someone explain this to me?
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Since when di Theo become the focal point of our offense and why in the F would we want him to be? Can someone explain this to me?
Our offense is 3 or post up, that's about all we got in Wojos playbook
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Four steps?
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We just can't beat anyone off the dribble. Every team we play can just face guard their guy and we can't beat them off the dribble.
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Stupid DVR rewind function. I was totally fine believing MU was cheated by a missed travel call. He only took two steps and shot a wrong footed shot from 9 feet away.
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Must lead the nation in fumbled n lost defensive rebounds
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How about a zone??? Getting abused in the lane
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You know your offense is good when you're living on Theo John back to the basket and Sam Hauser Dirk-fades
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I actually think our D hasn't been terrible so far. Enoch is just bigger and better but overall I'm happy at this point.
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I actually think our D hasn't been terrible so far. Enoch is just bigger and better but overall I'm happy at this point.
D was poor for like 4 min
If offense were better it wouldn’t be much issue
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Tony Smith is well.... Bad
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Howard's blinders while driving will be the thing keeping him from being great.
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Markus drives to the hoop thinking "I'm getting fouled here" and he never gets fouled
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I think we’ve turned it over on UL misses/bad passes 5 times
Wtf Joey
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Unbelivable defensive rebounding
Just soft n pathetic!!
Great defense for 30 seconds and then fumbling the rebound to the other team 6 times is terrible defense.
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Chartouny with a great coast to coast off the side of the board
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Man, with how poorly our offense played, we're pretty lucky to be only down 5. We really have to cut down on the stupid mistakes. Please no more blindly driving into the trees and throwing up a prayer.
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Tired of people thinking Coaching isn't a problem..you have to know little about basketball to see that, yet people still love Wojo.
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Beverage?
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Hauser doing his best to keep us in this game. Dude is single handily trying to keep us relevant.
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Second chance points is story of game, not very tough, soft under basket.
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Markus forced one shot. Meh. Defensive rebounding is the issue right now. Defense was solid until the shot went up.
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I’m trying not to overreact, but for all the bad basketball I’ve watched this team play so far this year. That might have been the worst half. It bears repeating, this is not a well coached team right now.
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We are not out of this game. However, we are going to need a run at the beginning of the second half to have a chance .
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I’m trying not to overreact, but for all the bad basketball I’ve watched this team play so far this year. That might have been the worst half. It bears repeating, this is not a well coached team right now.
Just gotta give Wojo til year 7... /s
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I’m trying not to overreact, but for all the bad basketball I’ve watched this team play so far this year. That might have been the worst half. It bears repeating, this is not a well coached team right now.
Really? Did you not watch the second half of the kansas game? I was black out drunk watching it and know it was worse
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I have to imagine wojos practices are primarily skill based. Team shows zero toughness. Louisville just taking the ball away from us like we are little bitches.
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THAT was the worst half of basketball of the season?!?!?! Hyperbole much?
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Not pretty, but we're still in this. Brendan showing signs of life sure is nice.
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Chartouny needs to play better at the point. I wonder if he can, though. He appears a bit overmatched when I've watched MU this early season. I hope I am wrong.
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Really? Did you not watch the second half of the kansas game? I was black out drunk watching it and know it was worse
Big difference between crapting yourself in the second half against the #2 team in the country vs. coming out unprepared against a bottom level acc team. Most everyone on this board was expecting the second half collapse against Kansas.
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We got this.
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Didn’t Bilas and Schulman have time to change out of their Maui garb?
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Sacar is not very good
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Wojo please install the offense
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If that's a flagrant basketball is fundamentally changed
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Not starting this half any better
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We just aren't a good team at the moment.
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That looked like a foul on Louisville, not a flagrant.
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If that's a flagrant basketball is fundamentally changed
Agreed. Looks like he made contact with the defenders arm, not his head.
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That looked like a foul on Louisville, not a flagrant.
Well, refs basically agreed lol
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So they score 30 points in a half and go straight back to John taking another one handed shot
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Smart hesitation and than floater by Howard, instead of driving all the way into the trees.
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Smart hesitation and than floater by Howard, instead of driving all the way into the trees.
He's so much better when he's patient with his head up.
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Then Markus with a horrible pass
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That Markus pass wouldn't have worked in my Wednesday pick up games with 40 yr old out of shape guys
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Sacar made the shot on that foul call, why didn’t Marquette get the two points?
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They must be the best 3 point shooting team in the country,not to try a zone... absolutely getting killed in the paint
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Can our guys kick it out when they don't have a good shot in the paint.
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We just can’t get fully back into the game
We miss on getting stops then take horrible shots
Idk wtf Joey thought was gonna happen there
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Why are we incapable of kicking it back out when there's nothing there under the basket?
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Why are we incapable of kicking it back out when there's nothing there under the basket?
This...and a lot of other stuff
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So besides letting your small dog jump in the back of your vehicle, what purpose does the feature on the Land Rover serve?
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Glad I checked in on the thread. Jesus. Back to just watching the game.
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So besides letting your small dog jump in the back of your vehicle, what purpose does the feature on the Land Rover serve?
+100
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Lesson for this season so far
We aren’t good until we beat someone good. We all jumped the gun thinking MU is good until they proved it on the court.
We can still win today and prove it. FINISH TEAM!
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I'm not impressed by Louisville so far. If MU can't win this, the off season optimism will be officially comically wrong
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It's a very interesting approach the whole not rebounding thing. Hard to win that way
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I've got nothing to say about this game. Defense is fine. Offense is putrid again
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I've got nothing to say about this game. Defense is fine. Offense is putrid again
Defensive rebounding could be improved.
Also, be nice if someone else noticed that #0 travelled every time he has the ball
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Louisville getting away with a lot of cheap shots. Pushed Howard in the back, just put a forearm to Hauser's chest when he set a pick. Lots of grabs and holds too, with no calls.
But what is deciding this game is simple. Louisville has 10 offensive rebounds. We are holding them on their first shot, but not getting the rebounds.
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Good grief Markus, make the layup. That’s like the teams fourth/fifth missed bunny. Amazing.
UL on offensive boards, yikes.
Well, guess the three point barrage will start soon. They drop, MU has chance, if not Loserville.
Jamal in Wojo doghouse now.
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Think are defense looks good because Louisville is bad
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I've got nothing to say about this game. Defense is fine. Offense is putrid again
Rebounding sucks right now.
I don't think the offense has been bad, but they have locked down Howard. Indiana did the same thing.
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Wojo has no plan on what group to play out there
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Morrow finally took his time on the block...it looked nice
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Four guys between Markus and who he is passing to
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Lmao Sam is unreal
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Morrow finally took his time on the block...it looked nice
I'm hoping this can be his proof of what he's capable of, like Presbyterian was for Joe.
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Now we gotta keep the momentum
Great couple of possessions
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We got this
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watching greg and koby in slow mo was hilarious
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Cmon Theo good god
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At least Theo got two fouls and only called for one
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Candidate for most worthless foul of the year by JC
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Candidate for most worthless foul of the year by JC
That was pretty bad
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Good grief Markus, make the layup. That’s like the teams fourth/fifth missed bunny. Amazing.
UL on offensive boards, yikes.
Well, guess the three point barrage will start soon. They drop, MU has chance, if not Loserville.
Jamal in Wojo doghouse now.
As Jamal should be. He cant dribble or pass. He doesnt offer anything right now on offense except against cupcakes.
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Sacar drawing that charge was big. Stop any momentum from building for the next 4 minutes.
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Start with the threes
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So much for keeping the momentum
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Finish!!!
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Our bigs have combined to be 8-18 from inside 4 feet.
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WTF Howard
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Markus chucks and leads to a foul
Jesus
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Fook Bill Murray
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Theo has missed at least four
Morrow has missed two
Markus has missed two
Joey missed one
Sacar missed one
Others?
Talking about two to three foot shots.
Then Markus takes 25 footer and a foul.
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unnatural carnal knowledgeing hell, Markus
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At least the refs are only calling every other foul on MU players
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Markus’ hero ball has to stop. That’s on the coaching staff
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Do these guys want to win??
Like there’s no explanation for that Joey
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Markus’ hero ball has to stop. That’s on the coaching staff
I’ll take it over Joey hero ball tho.
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This shot selection is atrocious
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Driving when your only intention is to draw a foul will be either the downfall of this year's team, or the death of me, or both
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He barely elevated off the floor. Get that kid some strength shoes for the love of god.
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I’ll take it over Joey hero ball tho.
All day every day. They both need to run till they puke then get sat for a bit every time they do that moving forward.
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WTF Howard
That's the same shot that Rowsey and Howard took last year and won us some games. If that went in, we celebrate, when it doesn't we say WTF, but the fact is that is a 40% shot for them, meaning 60% eFG. Take it.
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Now that’s good Joey.
Please make free throws
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And then Joey leaves his guy
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Freshman...
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Maybe Wojo will use the ESPN feed with Bilas' commentary as game film and pick up some defensive pointers
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Sam seemed more college ready mentally when he came
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A prefer a broadcast that doesn't show the replay for the fans at home
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WOW
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OT! Over under on mentions of missed 3pt call? 7
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There's 1
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OT! Over under on mentions of missed 3pt call? 7
What they haven't mentioned regarding it was that it was a travel.
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Would it really be an MU Ville game if it wasn't a nail biter?
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OT! Over under on mentions of missed 3pt call? 7
I’ll take the over.
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There's 2
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Man, that last defensive possession could have been better
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What they haven't mentioned regarding it was that it was a travel.
I was wondering about that
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Marquette covers in ot
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Whew! Bullet dodged. 5 more minutes, all out
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I did like Bilas's description of MU free throws being an intentional walk
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Horrible
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Horrible pass Sacar
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Worse
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Get anim out!!!!!
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I honestly think MU has gotten the benefit of as many bad/missed calls as have been called against them
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Watching this game with no announcers on ESPN app it is very good , the camera angels are great. b
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Down and out for Markus damn
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Foul fest. Every possession.
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Sam's been real quiet
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Make free throws please!
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I like Marotta making it clear they have a TO.
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Ok inbound it as well please
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There's 3
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That inbounds pass only works with one brother passing to another :)
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We made that more difficult than it needed to be.
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Never in doubt...
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Wow. I'll take it
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We made that more difficult than it needed to be.
Style points matter?
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Much needed win
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The announcers right about that non3 3. But officials missed a lot of canals that equaled points
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They played really hard. Thats all I ask for.
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should have won in regulation.
Fire wojo
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That was ugly, but a win is a win. Take it and head back to Milwaukee.
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The announcers right about that non3 3. But officials missed a lot of canals that equaled points
They didn't need to show it 6 times.
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We needed that W
Whew
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Super Happy we won. Great team effort.
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Didn’t cover the spread...adios Wojo
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The announcers right about that non3 3. But officials missed a lot of canals that equaled points
I miss this canal.
(https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.rz-hhKH2PhDSFHkI7Cz1DgHaFL&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300)
But not this canal.
(https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.ygf4VbyUZcsuNeXOdWN92AHaHa&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300)
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That's the same shot that Rowsey and Howard took last year and won us some games. If that went in, we celebrate, when it doesn't we say WTF, but the fact is that is a 40% shot for them, meaning 60% eFG. Take it.
Disagree, that one was poor shot selection IMO
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Anyone know what happened to Cain? He started, then disappeared. Was there an injury? Never discussed in the game that I heard.
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Anyone know what happened to Cain? He started, then disappeared. Was there an injury? Never discussed in the game that I heard.
Butt-ugly turnover 30 seconds into the second half. Splinters.
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It aint a beauty contest and all wins are good wins. We battled and made a ton of horrible plays and made some good ones too. I will take it. Only truly serious head scratcher was the pounding of the ball to Theo in the first half. He has bad moves, zero touch, and cannot shoot FTs. He is one of our worst offensive options so wtf is the thought process from the coaching staff?? I understand pick n rolls to theo n ed like in the second half but the post feeds are a bad option. Theo has demonstrated that at every option n doesnt kick it out.
We won the game and boy what a relief but part of the reason we trailed was the early n often post feeds to Theo that didnt work.
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Anyone know what happened to Cain? He started, then disappeared. Was there an injury? Never discussed in the game that I heard.
He defends pretty well. Is terrible at everything else. Didnt look ready to play each time ge came in. Dont keep getting chances when that happens. Sacar n bailey got his minutes.
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He defends pretty well. Is terrible at everything else. Didnt look ready to play each time ge came in. Dont keep getting chances when that happens. Sacar n bailey got his minutes.
Incorrect.
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Butt-ugly turnover 30 seconds into the second half. Splinters.
No wonder the team is so wound up. Make a mistake and hit the pine unless your Sam or Markus.
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He defends pretty well. Is terrible at everything else.
Made 26- 55 threes last year as a Freshman.
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No wonder the team is so wound up. Make a mistake and hit the pine unless your Sam or Markus.
His turnover to start second half should get a third grader yanked. Simply horrible fundamentals.
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Made 26- 55 threes last year as a Freshman.
No where near it this year and is a turnover machine this year. Right now about a 4 dog fight fir minutes on the wing n he was by far the worst of them in NYC.
He will continue to get his chances needs to make better use if them or someone else will.
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No where near it this year and is a turnover machine this year. Right now about a 4 dog fight fir minutes on the wing n he was by far the worst of them in NYC.
He will continue to get his chances needs to make better use if them or someone else will.
Giving up on sophomores 6 games into the season is dumb. Last year, all he had to do was catch and shoot open 3's after the defense collapsed on Markus/Andrew/Sam. This year, because the team is so thin at guard, he is handling the ball more and trying to do more. It takes time. Just like it is taking time with Morrow, Chartouny, Bailey to fit into their roles. For one night, Morrow figured it out. I have little doubt that Jamal will have his big games this year.
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No where near it this year
he's taken 15 threes. pretty small sample size in light of what he did last year. guy can obviously shoot.
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Giving up on sophomores 6 games into the season is dumb. Last year, all he had to do was catch and shoot open 3's after the defense collapsed on Markus/Andrew/Sam. This year, because the team is so thin at guard, he is handling the ball more and trying to do more. It takes time. Just like it is taking time with Morrow, Chartouny, Bailey to fit into their roles. For one night, Morrow figured it out. I have little doubt that Jamal will have his big games this year.
Who said Wojo is giving up on him?? Or are you referring to me?? I am not either. As far as Wojo he us starting him and subbed him in 4-5 times during the game. But if each time u come in u dont look ready to play and dont help ur team any coach is gonna make a change. His play the first 25 minutes clearly didnt give WoJo the feling tgat he was the guy to go with down the stretch of a tight game. Bailey played decent. Sacar played decent on the defensive side n went with them. Im sure wijo hasnt given up on him after 6 games. Him not getting in at the end sure shouldnt indicate this of a starter. I know i havent either, i have been impressed with his defense but needs to get better n develop more of a repetoire offensively. He needs to be able to handle the ball at the 3. He stunk tonite n didnt get minutes at the end. Nithing more nothing less. Tomorow is a new day
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Cain did not have a single turnover in the first four games, not one. He had three against Kansas, some were brutal and two tonight. The second one was 20 seconds into the second half and Wojo sat him. Learning experience, but when Elliott returns, his minutes will go way down. Need him badly until then.
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Cain did not have a single turnover in the first four games, not one. He had three against Kansas, some were brutal and two tonight. The second one was 20 seconds into the second half and Wojo sat him. Learning experience, but when Elliott returns, his minutes will go way down. Need him badly until then.
He didn't get cut. He will still get plenty of opportunities.
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Only truly serious head scratcher was the pounding of the ball to Theo in the first half. He has bad moves, zero touch, and cannot shoot FTs. He is one of our worst offensive options so wtf is the thought process from the coaching staff??
The problem with Theo in the post is that if he gets the ball down there he is going to get off a shot come hell or high water. He needs to pass back out when he doesn't have something rather than force it. He makes some good moves and is getting better.
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The problem with Theo in the post is that if he gets the ball down there he is going to get off a shot come hell or high water. He needs to pass back out when he doesn't have something rather than force it. He makes some good moves and is getting better.
Theo is a solid offensive player and if the opponent chooses to not double team him, I am fine with him putting up the baby hook. He will get better with that and when he does, he will draw a double team and he has proven to be a good passer in the past. But he has to learn to finish.
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Who said Wojo is giving up on him?? Or are you referring to me?? I am not either.
"He defends pretty well. Is terrible at everything else. "
I guess the above was posted by Chicos.
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Giving up on sophomores 6 games into the season is dumb. Last year, all he had to do was catch and shoot open 3's after the defense collapsed on Markus/Andrew/Sam. This year, because the team is so thin at guard, he is handling the ball more and trying to do more. It takes time. Just like it is taking time with Morrow, Chartouny, Bailey to fit into their roles. For one night, Morrow figured it out. I have little doubt that Jamal will have his big games this year.
Yes, Wojo should have taken Jamal out, but when Sam or Markus make dumb plays they do not suffer the same consequences.
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Yes, Wojo should have taken Jamal out, but when Sam or Markus make dumb plays they do not suffer the same consequences.
Because Sam and Markus bring so much to the table (and have such a higher usage rate) that you live with their mistakes. Jamal, not so.much.
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Because Sam and Markus bring so much to the table (and have such a higher usage rate) that you live with their mistakes. Jamal, not so.much.
Well if every team from here on out plays defense Like UL did tonight Markus won't be bringing much to the table.
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Not sure why Wojo subbed in Bailey for Theo on a free throw when we had the lead late. I figure we need as much rebounding in that situation as possible.
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Well if every team from here on out plays defense Like UL did tonight Markus won't be bringing much to the table.
Yeah, he barely made an impact with his 21/3/5/1.
Other than a couple of forced drives and deflected entry passes, Markus played really well tonight.
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Well if every team from here on out plays defense Like UL did tonight Markus won't be bringing much to the table.
21 points, led team in assists and steals. 5-for-5 from the line.
I mean, that's something, right?
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Not sure why Wojo subbed in Bailey for Theo on a free throw when we had the lead late. I figure we need as much rebounding in that situation as possible.
Because he wanted shooters in the game for the offensive possession and didn't want to burn the final timeout to make the substitution. I imagine he wanted to save the timeout in case the offensive possession went awry.
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Not sure why Wojo subbed in Bailey for Theo on a free throw when we had the lead late. I figure we need as much rebounding in that situation as possible.
MU trailed by 1 when he made that sub. It was a ridiculous decision.
UL had just missed the front end. Absolutely no need to make that sub when, if UL makes the second the FT, they're down 2.
If he makes both, and you're gonna go for three and the tie, then I can see it.
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MU trailed by 1 when he made that sub. It was a ridiculous decision.
UL had just missed the front end. Absolutely no need to make that sub when, if UL makes the second the FT, they're down 2.
If he makes both, and you're gonna go for three and the tie, then I can see it.
It wasn't a ridiculous decision. We're down two (or one if the FT is missed). The play call is for markus to get to the hoop. If Theo is in the game, his defender clogs up the paint. But putting Bailey in the corner it ensured that there would be far more spacing and less traffic in the lane.
Now, I do think he should have called timeout directly after the made basket to get Theo back into the game defensively.
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It wasn't a ridiculous decision. We're down two (or one if the FT is missed). The play call is for markus to get to the hoop. If Theo is in the game, his defender clogs up the paint. But putting Bailey in the corner it ensured that there would be far more spacing and less traffic in the lane.
This. It was a smart coaching move.
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Well if every team from here on out plays defense Like UL did tonight Markus won't be bringing much to the table.
Somebody didn't watch the second half or OT. Thought it was one of Marcus' best games. made the adjustments, started hitting the open man, didn't force much, only one to, and perfect at the line. He was being belted by some real tough cookies tonight and he didn't back down one bit.
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Glad I checked in on the thread. Jesus. Back to just watching the game.
Stand by this.
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If I was not clear, you all suck.
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The problem with Theo in the post is that if he gets the ball down there he is going to get off a shot come hell or high water. He needs to pass back out when he doesn't have something rather than force it. He makes some good moves and is getting better.
This is spot on. He needs to get better at reading the defender and kicking it back out if necessary. But he does have some good moves that I think will make him a real offensive threat in the next year or two.
The gameplan tonight was decidedly different than others this year, looking inside a lot more. Theo handled it OK. If he would have looked to pass just a couple more times, I would say that it would have been a great plan. We went from having no presence in the post in recent games to throwing it down low too much to start this game. The balance will come, but I'm hoping it comes sooner than later.
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Not sure why Wojo subbed in Bailey for Theo on a free throw when we had the lead late. I figure we need as much rebounding in that situation as possible.
Floor spacing, shot making, passing, ball handling and Ft shooting i liked the move.
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If I was not clear, you all suck.
Love ya too Legs. 😜.
Try chat next time.
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Made it a point not to read this until today. Wow, was this funny and not in a good way!
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Butt-ugly turnover 30 seconds into the second half. Splinters.
No doubt that such coaching inspires confidence in a player and to run through a wall for his coach. Meanwhile, as a player I watch Markus Howard throw the ball all over the court and force shot after shot with no consequence.
Sure would be nice if Wojo would learn to let his talented youngsters play through some mistakes, just as his most loyal here have given him 4+ years of grace for mediocre (at best) coaching.
Cain plays hard and busts his ass out there - this is not a case of JJJ where you could at least make a case for not seeing the hustle.
We don't want our players to play soft, but those not named Markus/Sam get coached into that by virtue of getting benched when making an aggressive play but turning it over.
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There it is.
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There it is.
Yep. There it is. Just as its been Wojo's coaching style since Year 1 - to overreact and squash a kid's confidence. Guy still hasn't learned. And some of you wonder why we've yet to win an NCAA game under Wojo - or be a Top 25 team?
You do realize our standard for celebrating is now a 3rd place finish in the Pre-season NIT, because we eeked out an OT win against the projected 11th place team in the ACC that entered the season ranked 63rd?
Hang the banner.
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No doubt that such coaching inspires confidence in a player and to run through a wall for his coach. Meanwhile, as a player I watch Markus Howard throw the ball all over the court and force shot after shot with no consequence.
Sure would be nice if Wojo would learn to let his talented youngsters play through some mistakes, just as his most loyal here have given him 4+ years of grace for mediocre (at best) coaching.
Cain plays hard and busts his ass out there - this is not a case of JJJ where you could at least make a case for not seeing the hustle.
We don't want our players to play soft, but those not named Markus/Sam get coached into that by virtue of getting benched when making an aggressive play but turning it over.
Against Louisville, Cain had 2 TOs in 9 minutes, both moronic plays. He had zero assists. Zero offense, and was getting manhandled on the boards.
Howard was the focus of their entire defensive strategy. In 44 minutes, handling the ball substantially more, he had 1 TO. He had 5 assists. He had an eFG% of 50%. He also added 2 steals on defense.
Cain was bad yesterday. By any objective viewer he should have been pulled.
I'm really really really glad that you are not the coach.
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Against Louisville, Cain had 2 TOs in 9 minutes, both moronic plays. He had zero assists. Zero offense, and was getting manhandled on the boards.
Howard was the focus of their entire defensive strategy. In 44 minutes, handling the ball substantially more, he had 1 TO. He had 5 assists. He had an eFG% of 50%. He also added 2 steals on defense.
Cain was bad yesterday. By any objective viewer he should have been pulled.
I'm really really really glad that you are not the coach.
It's not a moronic play to attack the basket and force help. He made an aggressive basketball play. You need guys attacking the paint. Jamal's problem is he's not yet great at doing so going to his left/off hand.
That's a simple fix: Pull him to the side - I want you to stay aggressive. Make that same move, but bring it to a jump stop in middle of lane. Assess - Shoot? Shot Fake/then shoot? Kick out to open shooter on wing?
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It's not a moronic play to attack the basket and force help. He made an aggressive basketball play. You need guys attacking the paint. Jamal's problem is he's not yet great at doing so going to his left/off hand.
That's a simple fix: Pull him to the side - I want you to stay aggressive. Make that same move, but bring it to a jump stop in middle of lane. Assess - Shoot? Shot Fake/then shoot? Kick out to open shooter on wing?
Do you know how many times Cain has been instructed in just that exact way? Particularly on shot fakes, and jab steps. The problem is Cain can't execute it right now, and he was a liability in this game. If he stays out there, we would have lost.
Cain actually understands he's a bit spastic on offense and even jokes about it.
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Do you know how many times Cain has been instructed in just that exact way? Particularly on shot fakes, and jab steps. The problem is Cain can't execute it right now, and he was a liability in this game. If he stays out there, we would have lost.
Cain actually understands he's a bit spastic on offense and even jokes about it.
How many times has Cain been instructed this way? You at practice?
And for a guy who said he played: Are you f'in kidding me? You couldn't execute a jump stop and shot fake?
EVERY player at the high major level has the ability to execute a jump stop. So, the fact that we don't see Cain doing it, suggests to me, it is not being drilled into his game.
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How many times has Cain been instructed this way? You at practice?
And for a guy who said he played: Are you f'in kidding me? You couldn't execute a jump stop and shot fake?
EVERY player at the high major level has the ability to execute a jump stop. So, the fact that we don't see Cain doing it, suggests to me, it is not being drilled into his game.
I can't give you numbers. But based on his social media feed, and other sources, it is quite clear.
Now the ironic part. Your other statements reek of coming from a person with no knowledge of actually playing the game of basketball, or no experience working at a high level in any field.
Every player has the ability to execute a jump stop, and knows the fundamentals, but having the ability and know how is different than actually executing it. Especially when one goes from low levels of competition, or low levels of difficulty and suddenly has a major jump in both difficulty and expectations.
Cain knows how and what to do, but is in over his head right now in terms of pace of play and quality of play. That means he presses too much, gets nervous, and forgets to execute. It is a common malady of all people when they make major changes to higher levels.
Think going from being a college QB to the NFL. All QB's know how to execute the throws and how to go through progressions, but doing that at the pace and difficulty of the NFL is infinitely different than college. If you force them into it too much, they can get gun-shy and never recover. Sometimes it is better to sit a person down, to coach them back up, instead of leaving them with their feet against the fire...too often you end up burned for life.
Really not that complicated, and anyone that has done anything at progressively higher levels of competition would know this.
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I can't give you numbers. But based on his social media feed, and other sources, it is quite clear.
Now the ironic part. Your other statements reek of coming from a person with no knowledge of actually playing the game of basketball, or no experience working at a high level in any field.
Every player has the ability to execute a jump stop, and knows the fundamentals, but having the ability and know how is different than actually executing it. Especially when one goes from low levels of competition, or low levels of difficulty and suddenly has a major jump in both difficulty and expectations.
Cain knows how and what to do, but is in over his head right now in terms of pace of play and quality of play. That means he presses too much, gets nervous, and forgets to execute. It is a common malady of all people when they make major changes to higher levels.
Think going from being a college QB to the NFL. All QB's know how to execute the throws and how to go through progressions, but doing that at the pace and difficulty of the NFL is infinitely different than college. If you force them into it too much, they can get gun-shy and never recover. Sometimes it is better to sit a person down, to coach them back up, instead of leaving them with their feet against the fire...too often you end up burned for life.
Really not that complicated, and anyone that has done anything at progressively higher levels of competition would know this.
Then why doesn't Wojo take Markus out for poor defense?
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Then why doesn't Wojo take Markus out for poor defense?
Because 1) his defense has improved and 2) he is too important to the offense
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It's not a moronic play to attack the basket and force help. He made an aggressive basketball play. You need guys attacking the paint. Jamal's problem is he's not yet great at doing so going to his left/off hand.
That's a simple fix: Pull him to the side - I want you to stay aggressive. Make that same move, but bring it to a jump stop in middle of lane. Assess - Shoot? Shot Fake/then shoot? Kick out to open shooter on wing?
Lol. Re-watch the game. He didn't "make an aggressive basketball play". Hauser flashed to the wide post and Cain had him open for a full second and didn't throw the pass. Then, after he was covered, Cain threw a terrible pass right to the defender for a turnover. Cain barely moved 3 inches on the play.
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Then why doesn't Wojo take Markus out for poor defense?
If you take Markus out for poor defense, you put Chartouny in at the point.
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Then why doesn't Wojo take Markus out for poor defense?
Would Coach muwarrior69 take Markus out?
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Let's take it easy on Cain. His defense and rebounding have greatly improved from last season. He did a number on Vick in the Kansas game. There's a reason he's starting. His offense seems to still be limited to catch and shoot thees. Last night Louisvilles entire strategy was to crowd the three point line. Our defense was clicking and Louisville was taking away Cain's only weapon on the offensive side. Sitting him was the right move IMHO.
I have no doubt that Cain will get plenty of run in the next game because the staff has faith in him.
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Would Coach muwarrior69 take Markus out?
If we had Greg, I would have taken Markus out ( not bench him) during the first half of the UL game as he was clearly not contributing offensively and he is just too small to be an effective defender.
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Let's take it easy on Cain. His defense and rebounding have greatly improved from last season. He did a number on Vick in the Kansas game. There's a reason he's starting. His offense seems to still be limited to catch and shoot thees. Last night Louisvilles entire strategy was to crowd the three point line. Our defense was clicking and Louisville was taking away Cain's only weapon on the offensive side. Sitting him was the right move IMHO.
I have no doubt that Cain will get plenty of run in the next game because the staff has faith in him.
Agreed. Cain will have big minutes and big games coming up.
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Let's take it easy on Cain. His defense and rebounding have greatly improved from last season. He did a number on Vick in the Kansas game. There's a reason he's starting. His offense seems to still be limited to catch and shoot thees. Last night Louisvilles entire strategy was to crowd the three point line. Our defense was clicking and Louisville was taking away Cain's only weapon on the offensive side. Sitting him was the right move IMHO.
I have no doubt that Cain will get plenty of run in the next game because the staff has faith in him.
Just to be clear. I think Cain is an asset to this team, and like his progress and upside. I also think the staff has faith in him, and part of that is putting him into positions where he can build confidence and succeed.
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I can't give you numbers. But based on his social media feed, and other sources, it is quite clear.
Now the ironic part. Your other statements reek of coming from a person with no knowledge of actually playing the game of basketball, or no experience working at a high level in any field.
Every player has the ability to execute a jump stop, and knows the fundamentals, but having the ability and know how is different than actually executing it. Especially when one goes from low levels of competition, or low levels of difficulty and suddenly has a major jump in both difficulty and expectations.
Cain knows how and what to do, but is in over his head right now in terms of pace of play and quality of play. That means he presses too much, gets nervous, and forgets to execute. It is a common malady of all people when they make major changes to higher levels.
Think going from being a college QB to the NFL. All QB's know how to execute the throws and how to go through progressions, but doing that at the pace and difficulty of the NFL is infinitely different than college. If you force them into it too much, they can get gun-shy and never recover. Sometimes it is better to sit a person down, to coach them back up, instead of leaving them with their feet against the fire...too often you end up burned for life.
Really not that complicated, and anyone that has done anything at progressively higher levels of competition would know this.
Thanks. I appreciate that you can acknowledge your original point was ridiculous. Of course Cain can execute a jump stop and shot fake.
While I appreciate your effort to suggest he's unable to do so because of the pace of play, and trying to make an analogy between a college QB going to the NFL - making a jump stop and putting up a shot fake have absolutely zero to do with pace of play.
Since I don't follow our players on social media, could you kindly link a few of Cain's posts where he laughs about being spastic on offense?
This all said, I don't doubt Cain feels spastic playing under a coach like Wojo.
To the bolded point - you press as a player far more when you know you are on a short leash, and one or two "mistakes" lands you on the bench. Getting nailed to the bench for 19:30 does NOTHING to benefit your confidence as a player.
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Thanks. I appreciate that you can acknowledge your original point was ridiculous. Of course Cain can execute a jump stop and shot fake.
While I appreciate your effort to suggest he's unable to do so because of the pace of play, and trying to make an analogy between a college QB going to the NFL - making a jump stop and putting up a shot fake have absolutely zero to do with pace of play.
Since I don't follow our players on social media, could you kindly link a few of Cain's posts where he laughs about being spastic on offense?
This all said, I don't doubt Cain feels spastic playing under a coach like Wojo.
To the bolded point - you press as a player far more when you know you are on a short leash, and one or two "mistakes" lands you on the bench. Getting nailed to the bench for 19:30 does NOTHING to benefit your confidence as a player.
Yeah, never acknowledged my point was ridiculous.
Honestly, you're not worth my time, this iteration of you goes onto ignore.
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If we had Greg, I would have taken Markus out ( not bench him) during the first half of the UL game as he was clearly not contributing offensively and he is just too small to be an effective defender.
So if you recognize that taking Markus out wouldn't make sense, why are asking that question?
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And still funny in a bad way. So many people who think they know basketball keep posting. Very SAD!
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Thanks. I appreciate that you can acknowledge your original point was ridiculous. Of course Cain can execute a jump stop and shot fake.
While I appreciate your effort to suggest he's unable to do so because of the pace of play, and trying to make an analogy between a college QB going to the NFL - making a jump stop and putting up a shot fake have absolutely zero to do with pace of play.
Since I don't follow our players on social media, could you kindly link a few of Cain's posts where he laughs about being spastic on offense?
This all said, I don't doubt Cain feels spastic playing under a coach like Wojo.
To the bolded point - you press as a player far more when you know you are on a short leash, and one or two "mistakes" lands you on the bench. [/b]Getting nailed to the bench for 19:30 does NOTHING to benefit your confidence as a player. [/b]
This is precisely how a coach destroys a young players confidence. Textbook Wojo.
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This is precisely how a coach destroys a young players confidence. Textbook Wojo.
Oh please. Tell me which players have had their confidence destroyed under Wojo?
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Oh please. Tell me which players have had their confidence destroyed under Wojo?
Scar and Jamal look very different this year than last year. They took steps back. Morrow is not who he was at Nebraska. Joe C looks far more hesitant on offense now than last season.
Could be 4 coincidences. Could be 4 guys affected by their coach.
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Scar and Jamal look very different this year than last year. They took steps back. Morrow is not who he was at Nebraska. Joe C looks far more hesitant on offense now than last season.
Could be 4 coincidences. Could be 4 guys affected by their coach.
I realize you are looking for any and every reason to bash Wojo, but this is just silly
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I realize you are looking for any and every reason to bash Wojo, but this is just silly
So you're gonna in the four coincidences club?
Ever play connect the dots?
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So you're gonna in the four coincidences club?
Ever play connect the dots?
Yeah, I'm gonna in that club for sure.
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Scar and Jamal look very different this year than last year. They took steps back. Morrow is not who he was at Nebraska. Joe C looks far more hesitant on offense now than last season.
Could be 4 coincidences. Could be 4 guys affected by their coach.
Jamal is better than he was last season. Sacars defense is better but his offense has seemed to take a step back. But it also took him awhile last season to find his offense. Joe C has always been hesitant on offense. An article got posted here about his Fordham days begging for him to be more aggressive on offense.
Ed is legit though. Looks nothing like he was at Nebraska. Not convinced we've seen everything there is to see from him yet.
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Jamal is better than he was last season. Sacars defense is better but his offense has seemed to take a step back. But it also took him awhile last season to find his offense. Joe C has always been hesitant on offense. An article got posted here about his Fordham days begging for him to be more aggressive on offense.
Ed is legit though. Looks nothing like he was at Nebraska. Not convinced we've seen everything there is to see from him yet.
I am of the opinion that he is still getting back to 100% after his sports hernia surgery.
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I am of the opinion that he is still getting back to 100% after his sports hernia surgery.
I was going to post the same thing.
The team had a lot of players dealing with rehab this off-season. Morrow, both Hausers, Elliott and Eke, who are both hurt again. A bit of a slow start does not surprise me.
The team should be rounding in to form about mid-January.
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Scar and Jamal look very different this year than last year. They took steps back. Morrow is not who he was at Nebraska. Joe C looks far more hesitant on offense now than last season.
Could be 4 coincidences. Could be 4 guys affected by their coach.
1. We are six games into a season. Writing off any player's season at this point, especially transfers, is silly.
2. Even if a player regresses, how is that due to their confidence being "destroyed?"
There are PLENTY of things to say negatively about Wojo. It's peddling stupid stuff and conspiracy theories that cause people like you and Ners to get called out.
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I was going to post the same thing.
The team had a lot of players dealing with rehab this off-season. Morrow, both Hausers, Elliott and Eke, who are both hurt again. A bit of a slow start does not surprise me.
The team should be rounding in to form about mid-January.
Heldt as well
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Spaniel, I just did a search on replies to my posts and I missed this one earlier. Great take on my "typo"! ....LOL ;D