COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[tower912]

The color of a state is moot to me.   Florida currently 'red', may be 'blue' after November.    The virus doesn't care.   All it cares about is the next susceptible host.   The way to defeat it is masks, hygiene, social distancing.  Deprive it of routes of infection.    It has been shown to work around the world.   And when you let up for even a second, the virus explodes.   This isn't political.   This has been shown all around the world every single time.

[rocky_warrior]

I'd say looking at Red/Blue is one way to break it down to try to divide people more.  At least he was using per 100k stats.  But looking at it in terms of population density (or % of population) would be interesting too - and I'd guess it would swing stats the opposite direction (wild guess).

Like tower said - this really shouldn't be a red/blue debate.  That's just for folks that get their jollies off of their politics "winning".

[muguru]

I'd say looking at Red/Blue is one way to break it down to try to divide people more.  At least he was using per 100k stats.  But looking at it in terms of population density (or % of population) would be interesting too - and I'd guess it would swing stats the opposite direction (wild guess).

Like tower said - this really shouldn't be a red/blue debate.  That's just for folks that get their jollies off of their politics "winning".

You made the entire point exactly, it shouldn't be political...yet so many have made it political, why?? And what these tweets were referencing was the "hit piece" Wapo did on Florida and how Ron Desantis has handled it, and it was filled with so many contradictions, misinterpretations, and flat out political agenda. The tweeter even stated himself, that this shouldn't be made political.(and that's why he tweeted those things out to show that "Hey if you want to make this political we can" yet Wapo did..why?? They aren't the only one's guilty of that by any means, but just one example of it.

[tower912]

There appears to be correlations with population densities.   The meat processing plants are still employee dense.    Then flare ups that come from churches, bars, parties.   Time after time.   And somehow, Americans cannot or refuse to learn.

[GB Warrior]

You made the entire point exactly, it shouldn't be political...yet so many have made it political, why?? And what these tweets were referencing was the "hit piece" Wapo did on Florida and how Ron Desantis has handled it, and it was filled with so many contradictions, misinterpretations, and flat out political agenda. The tweeter even stated himself, that this shouldn't be made political.(and that's why he tweeted those things out to show that "Hey if you want to make this political we can" yet Wapo did..why?? They aren't the only one's guilty of that by any means, but just one example of it.

The fact that the guy bungling the Florida response is a politician doesn't make reporting said politician political.

[MU82]

it was filled with so many contradictions, misinterpretations, and flat out political agenda.

Much like DeSantis himself, who was demanding an apology early on when Florida was fortunate to temporarily -- very temporarily -- avoid the worst of COVID-19.

Same, of course, is true of his overlord, who 5 months ago today said that U.S. coronavirus cases would be "close to zero ... within days."

Only after at least 4 months of accepted science that masks work has he apparently realized that mask-wearing is not some kind of liberal plot. Only after 6+ months of accepted science has he come to grips with the fact that stuffing an arena with 20,000, non-mask-wearing, non-socially-distancing mouth-breathers is probably bad. When will he apologize to the NC governor for ripping him, calling him names, lying about the governor's reasons for not letting the GOP convention take place in a packed Charlotte arena, etc? Only one of the 2 people in that conversation had an ulterior motive, and it sure as hell wasn't the governor.

If only the emperor had accepted the science months and months and months ago, I wonder how many tens of thousands fewer Americans would be dead. We'll never know.

It's like Wojo suddenly realizing that a little zone defense might work well 3-4 years after he should have tried it. Except Wojo's stubbornness never killed anybody (that we know of).

Can't settle for "mediocrity" from a basketball coach ... but bowing in reverence to a con-artist politician who has failed spectacularly in dealing with the only 2 crises he has faced under his watch, including one in which nearly 150K Americans have died.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Sure, it's Sunday, I'll play along...

I'd love to be able to have conversations with anyone here, but most here will not engage. You can post a simple link without comment,

You want to “have conversations” but you are upset that “you can’t post a simple link without comment”? How is it a conversation if no one is allowed to comment? What you actually seem upset about it that when you post a link, people push back. It seems your idea of a conversation is: guru posts a link and everyone praises it as insightful truth without questioning it.

Take for example two instances..one being the Project Veritas link I posted exposing CNN... IMMEDIATELY dismisses Project Veritas as being legit,

It was immediately dismissed as laughable not being legit because, well, Project Veritas is simply not legit. Again, do you know anything about James O’Keefe? You posted “this isn’t some doctored video”. That is literally what O’Keefe does. Here is from his bio when you google him (emphasis mine):

“James Edward O'Keefe III is an American conservative political conspiracy theorist and provocateur. He produces secretly recorded undercover audio and video encounters in academic, governmental, and social service organizations, purporting to show abusive or allegedly illegal behavior by employees and/or representatives of those organizations. He has selectively edited videos to misrepresent the context of the conversations and the subjects' responses, creating the false impression that people said or did things they did not.”

Doctoring videos is exactly what O’Keefe does. So again, you want people to simply swallow your links without the slightest bit of research and you get upset when people don’t thank you for providing such insight. Maybe you want to be a bit more skeptical, or at least knowledgeable, about the sources you are posting.

Or, how about the link I posted about hydroxychloroquine(without comment)...from a Yale epidemiologist <snip> IMMEDIATELY dismissed and mocked for being completely false. <snip> My biggest issue is...this is "science", the very same science the truthers will scream from the mountain tops that we MUST follow the science,

Yeah, only it isn’t really science when you are citing non-scientific studies. The Yale professor cites, amongst others, the studies by Raoult, Gautret, and Zelenko, none of which were controlled studies. You don’t have to take my word for it, you can simply google it and see that by the author’s own admission, these were not randomized trials. Hell, in one case patients weren’t even tested to see if they had COVID to start with. So you’ve got purely anecdotal information here, which is not scientific in any way. On the other side of the argument, you now have study after study of properly randomized, properly controlled studies that show HCQ provides no benefit in treating COVID-19.

That’s the science. And yes, the science should be followed, not anecdotes about how people who may or may not have had COVID in the first place managed to avoid hospitalization if only they were given HCQ early enough.

I have absolutely no idea why a Yale professor would stake his reputation on citing a bunch of studies that, as a professional, he must know are not scientifically valid by their authors’ own admission. Appealing to his authority and expertise falls apart, however, when the studies he is citing to support his case are junk science to start with.

[pbiflyer]

You made the entire point exactly, it shouldn't be political...yet so many have made it political, why?? And what these tweets were referencing was the "hit piece" Wapo did on Florida and how Ron Desantis has handled it, and it was filled with so many contradictions, misinterpretations, and flat out political agenda. The tweeter even stated himself, that this shouldn't be made political.(and that's why he tweeted those things out to show that "Hey if you want to make this political we can" yet Wapo did..why?? They aren't the only one's guilty of that by any means, but just one example of it.

I live in Florida. The state, including executive office of the governor, is our company’s client. I’ve worked with them for almost 2 decades. He has done nothing to stem the tide of covid.
We had a call with the Florida department of health where we offered free of charge the ability to make the collection of Covid related data faster, easier, and more accurate. We were told that the governor has no interest in making it easier to collect Covid information.
During the lockdown, there were over 2400 complaints of businesses violating the orders. Care to guess the number where any action was taken?


Since you feel that it was a hit piece, can you give examples of where it was inaccurate and cite what DeSantis actions have been done to stem the number of covid cases in Florida? And if you cite the “Ban” on people traveling from NY/NJ, can you cite steps they are using to enforce that?

[muguru]

Much like DeSantis himself, who was demanding an apology early on when Florida was fortunate to temporarily -- very temporarily -- avoid the worst of COVID-19.

Same, of course, is true of his overlord, who 5 months ago today said that U.S. coronavirus cases would be "close to zero ... within days."

Only after at least 4 months of accepted science that masks work has he apparently realized that mask-wearing is not some kind of liberal plot. Only after 6+ months of accepted science has he come to grips with the fact that stuffing an arena with 20,000, non-mask-wearing, non-socially-distancing mouth-breathers is probably bad. When will he apologize to the NC governor for ripping him, calling him names, lying about the governor's reasons for not letting the GOP convention take place in a packed Charlotte arena, etc? Only one of the 2 people in that conversation had an ulterior motive, and it sure as hell wasn't the governor.

If only the emperor had accepted the science months and months and months ago, I wonder how many tens of thousands fewer Americans would be dead. We'll never know.

It's like Wojo suddenly realizing that a little zone defense might work well 3-4 years after he should have tried it. Except Wojo's stubbornness never killed anybody (that we know of).

Can't settle for "mediocrity" from a basketball coach ... but bowing in reverence to a con-artist politician who has failed spectacularly in dealing with the only 2 crises he has faced under his watch, including one in which nearly 150K Americans have died.

Your hatred(something you continuously preach no one should ever do) is so obvious..But that's okay. I understand a vast majority feel this is very bad orange man's fault. Fair enough...now my question for you is, and it's a legit one(or for anyone really), were you happy/pleased with how Barry and Biden handled the H1N1 pandemic??

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Your hatred(something you continuously preach no one should ever do) is so obvious..But that's okay. I understand a vast majority feel this is very bad orange man's fault. Fair enough...now my question for you is, and it's a legit one(or for anyone really), were you happy/pleased with how Barry and Biden handled the H1N1 pandemic??

You're a piece of work. By any objective measure the federal government's response to Covid, led by Trump, has been embarrassingly inept and tens of thousands have died because of it. The "efforts" by DeSantis have been equally incompetent.

As for the Obama administration response to Swine flu it was certainly much more effective and competent. If you prefer I would be happy to share all of the misleading statements from Trump about the Obama response in order to shift attention away from his complete failure in regards to Covid.

[rocky_warrior]

You made the entire point exactly, it shouldn't be political...yet so many have made it political, why??

You apparently knew the answer to the question you asked.  Then you ask why people are making it political.  Then you go on to post political stuff.  Bravo.

[tower912]

Guru, if the death totals and federal response under Obama had been what they are under Trump, how patient and understanding and energetic in your defense would you have been?


I will flat out say I would have been equally critical.   Results, effort, attitude matter.

[GooooMarquette]

Guru, if the death totals and federal response under Obama had been what they are under Trump, how patient and understanding and energetic in your defense would you have been?

I will flat out say I would have been equally critical.   Results, effort, attitude matter.

Yep. According to the CDC, a total of 12,469 Americans died from H1N1. With Covid, we are at 145,942 and counting.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/index.html#cases

[reinko]

Anyone get the sense, if we just shutdown all indoor dining, casinos, bars, and gave them a nice relief package to bar/restaurant owners for them and their employees, we could be in an exponentially better place?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Anyone get the sense, if we just shutdown all indoor dining, casinos, bars, and gave them a nice relief package to bar/restaurant owners for them and their employees, we could be in an exponentially better place?

Yep. Been saying the same thing. Yet how many PPP loans ended up in the hands of the rich instead of small businesses the needed them.

[tower912]

Agreed.   Will Desantis claim victory now that Florida is ahead of New York in COVID cases?

[MU82]

Your hatred(something you continuously preach no one should ever do) is so obvious..But that's okay. I understand a vast majority feel this is very bad orange man's fault. Fair enough...now my question for you is, and it's a legit one(or for anyone really), were you happy/pleased with how Barry and Biden handled the H1N1 pandemic??

I wish nobody died of H1N1. Beyond that, I defer to points others already have made in response to your classic display of whataboutism.

You fell back on that because it's impossible to defend the indefensible -- 150K dying under your guy's watch. So you don't even try ... and I don't blame you.

You are a very active poster on the Al side of Scoop, often criticizing Wojo. And that's cool. There is a lot about Wojo that deserves criticism.

Let's say Wojo went 5-26 last season. You'd be pissed, and you wouldn't be alone, and I wouldn't blame any of you. Now what if 2 starters had gotten hurt, another transferred at midseason, Stan had gotten seriously ill (a major distraction), etc.? Would you have been quick to let Wojo off the hook, or would you have said he did a horrible job and any attempt to cite those things were "excuses"? Wouldn't you call that performance "an unmitigated disaster" regardless of excuses? I mean, you have stated repeatedly that even one loss to DePaul is an inexcusable disaster.

One thing consistent about you, guru, is that you have been a "performance matters" kind of guy. Well, as "America's coach," your emperor has "led" us to almost 150K dead in 4 months, hundreds of thousands more with medical problems that could dog them their whole lives, and millions and millions of Americans out of work. Meanwhile, he has "coached" in a way that not only hasn't helped us solve racial inequity, he has actively thrown gasoline on the fire.

Obviously, all of it isn't his "fault," but HE is the one who in 2013 said: "Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible."

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/398887965302091776?lang=en

All of that death and misery is probably the equivalent of 10 straight 0-30 seasons. But OK, I'm feeling really, really, really generous ... so let's just say it's at least as bad as coaching a Big East program for 6 years without winning any NCAA tournament games.

Why are you so willing to settle for mediocrity? Why aren't you demanding change?

Why is it a travesty that a basketball coach make "only" 3 NCAA tourneys in 4 years without winning a postseason game, but A-OK that 150K have died in 4 months under our nation's "coach"?

Was your guy lying about what it means to be a leader? If not, why aren't you holding him to his own stated requirements for leadership?

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible.

[muguru]

I live in Florida. The state, including executive office of the governor, is our company’s client. I’ve worked with them for almost 2 decades. He has done nothing to stem the tide of covid.
We had a call with the Florida department of health where we offered free of charge the ability to make the collection of Covid related data faster, easier, and more accurate. We were told that the governor has no interest in making it easier to collect Covid information.
During the lockdown, there were over 2400 complaints of businesses violating the orders. Care to guess the number where any action was taken?


Since you feel that it was a hit piece, can you give examples of where it was inaccurate and cite what DeSantis actions have been done to stem the number of covid cases in Florida? And if you cite the “Ban” on people traveling from NY/NJ, can you cite steps they are using to enforce that?

Well let's first start with this...or are all of these "fake" as well??

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/florida-coronavirus-tests-hospital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200716/florida-reported-100-positive-covid-19-tests-from-some-labs-thats-wrong-hospital-system-says

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/07/15/high-coronavirus-positive-case-rate-reveals-flaws-in-florida-department-of-health-report/

There's lots more but that should be enough..now, I ask you, is there ANY logical person that can say unequivocally that if labs were reporting VERY inaccurate #'s, that the overall #'s in Florida AREN'T skewed?? They are. How do we really know how major the problem really is when they were flat out lying about #'s. Secondly, why does everyone suddenly want to bash Florida?? I will be honest, I get SO tired of people talking about cases, cases, cases. Except when it fits their narrative, then they bring up death count. To me, death count should be what matters...after all we are talking about a virus with a 99% recovery rate. What we do know is that New York, California and New Jersey(there may be others) all have higher death counts than Florida. Yet...we have everyone bashing Florida for their mishandling of it?? Really?? Miami-Dade has had over 101,000 total cases, and only 1379 deaths....013%. The next most cases in Florida is Broward with 48.187 cases and 580 deaths .01%...I mean, they are nowhere near the problem New York had, and yet Fauci praised New York saying they did it right?? Really??

[Hards Alumni]

You made the entire point exactly, it shouldn't be political...yet so many have made it political, why?? And what these tweets were referencing was the "hit piece" Wapo did on Florida and how Ron Desantis has handled it, and it was filled with so many contradictions, misinterpretations, and flat out political agenda. The tweeter even stated himself, that this shouldn't be made political.(and that's why he tweeted those things out to show that "Hey if you want to make this political we can" yet Wapo did..why?? They aren't the only one's guilty of that by any means, but just one example of it.

Maybe take a break.  You're way too wrapped in the politics of this rather than the science of this.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Well let's first start with this...or are all of these "fake" as well??

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/florida-coronavirus-tests-hospital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200716/florida-reported-100-positive-covid-19-tests-from-some-labs-thats-wrong-hospital-system-says

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/07/15/high-coronavirus-positive-case-rate-reveals-flaws-in-florida-department-of-health-report/

There's lots more but that should be enough..now, I ask you, is there ANY logical person that can say unequivocally that if labs were reporting VERY inaccurate #'s, that the overall #'s in Florida AREN'T skewed?? They are. How do we really know how major the problem really is when they were flat out lying about #'s. Secondly, why does everyone suddenly want to bash Florida?? I will be honest, I get SO tired of people talking about cases, cases, cases. Except when it fits their narrative, then they bring up death count. To me, death count should be what matters...after all we are talking about a virus with a 99% recovery rate. What we do know is that New York, California and New Jersey(there may be others) all have higher death counts than Florida. Yet...we have everyone bashing Florida for their mishandling of it?? Really?? Miami-Dade has had over 101,000 total cases, and only 1379 deaths....013%. The next most cases in Florida is Broward with 48.187 cases and 580 deaths .01%...I mean, they are nowhere near the problem New York had, and yet Fauci praised New York saying they did it right?? Really??

If you think Florida's deaths have been reported accurately up until this point I have a wonderful timeshare for an amazing price you should look into. It's abundantly clear deaths are underrported in Florida. The state has been anything but transparent in terms of reporting.

There's a reason states like New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Michigan were hit hard early on in terms of cases and deaths. All have large, diverse cities with population density that are also major travel hubs from Europe.

Deaths lag so Florida's death count is rising and will continue to until the state gets cases under control. And you'd think common sense would tell you that death rate would be highest early on for a novel virus. That means it's new, Guru. And common sense would also tell you the death rate will probably decrease over time as more is learned about the virus and how to treat it.

America would be in great shape if it's numbers had trended like those in NY. Unfortunately that's not remotely the case.

MU82 is right. You demand perfection from MU basketball yet when it comes to this you continuously make excuses for failure.

[Pakuni]

this is an actual former employee who was interviewed with actual tape recordings of the CNN president proving his distaste for trump. I mean come on man, be reasonable here, you don't have to like it, but this is factual, legitimate footage. It's that simple.

Having a distaste for Trump merely proves one has functioning brain cells.
A reminder: the job of the media is to be fair, not objective. When something is an abject failure - as this country's response to COVID has been - saying so isn't "bias." It's truth.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Secondly, why does everyone suddenly want to bash Florida??

Suddenly? No. We were bashing Florida very early when it was obvious DeSantis was being an idiot and not taking it seriously. As the pandemic was ripping through the initial metro centers, he refused to shut anything down and then wanted a pat on the head when Florida wasn't immediately hit. There is nothing sudden about pointing out he was a moron.

What we do know is that New York, California and New Jersey(there may be others) all have higher death counts than Florida. Yet...we have everyone bashing Florida for their mishandling of it?? Really??

Hint: The death rates everywhere have fallen, thankfully, because we have gotten better at treating patients. I mean, do you think DeSantis did something that magically made the death rates better in Florida?

[muguru]

I wish nobody died of H1N1. Beyond that, I defer to points others already have made in response to your classic display of whataboutism.

You fell back on that because it's impossible to defend the indefensible -- 150K dying under your guy's watch. So you don't even try ... and I don't blame you.

You are a very active poster on the Al side of Scoop, often criticizing Wojo. And that's cool. There is a lot about Wojo that deserves criticism.

Let's say Wojo went 5-26 last season. You'd be pissed, and you wouldn't be alone, and I wouldn't blame any of you. Now what if 2 starters had gotten hurt, another transferred at midseason, Stan had gotten seriously ill (a major distraction), etc.? Would you have been quick to let Wojo off the hook, or would you have said he did a horrible job and any attempt to cite those things were "excuses"? Wouldn't you call that performance "an unmitigated disaster" regardless of excuses? I mean, you have stated repeatedly that even one loss to DePaul is an inexcusable disaster.

One thing consistent about you, guru, is that you have been a "performance matters" kind of guy. Well, as "America's coach," your emperor has "led" us to almost 150K dead in 4 months, hundreds of thousands more with medical problems that could dog them their whole lives, and millions and millions of Americans out of work. Meanwhile, he has "coached" in a way that not only hasn't helped us solve racial inequity, he has actively thrown gasoline on the fire.

Obviously, all of it isn't his "fault," but HE is the one who in 2013 said: "Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible."

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/398887965302091776?lang=en

All of that death and misery is probably the equivalent of 10 straight 0-30 seasons. But OK, I'm feeling really, really, really generous ... so let's just say it's at least as bad as coaching a Big East program for 6 years without winning any NCAA tournament games.

Why are you so willing to settle for mediocrity? Why aren't you demanding change?

Why is it a travesty that a basketball coach make "only" 3 NCAA tourneys in 4 years without winning a postseason game, but A-OK that 150K have died in 4 months under our nation's "coach"?

Was your guy lying about what it means to be a leader? If not, why aren't you holding him to his own stated requirements for leadership?

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible.

He isn't perfect. What President has been?? The problem I have is everyone says he's to blame, and I always ask people A. You do realize that Governors make decisions for their own states, correct?? B. Were you expecting ZERO deaths from a worldwide pandemic?? C. What would YOU have done differently, laid out in detail that would have guaranteed a "perfect" response?? Whenever I ask that, all anyone says is "listened to the scientists" That's not an answer. What was YOUR detailed, step by step plan to defeat it??

Everyone is so quick to blame, but not give credit how quickly he closed the border to China(where it originated) that was the end of January. By many scientists(the people everyone says he should have listened to) he likely saved 100's of thousands of deaths, if not Millions. Yet, he gets no credit for that...none. In fact, your guy(and many others) called it Xenophobic. The Speaker of the house never required masks to be worn in the house until June, and she even said herself in the beginning it wasn't much to worry about and was actively inviting people to china town.

Keep in Mind, in February Dr Anthony Fauci(everyone's favorite scientist) equivocalness stated in a USA today article(probably will be scoffed at as a source, I know) That the risk of coronavirus in the US was "miniscule" laughed at needing masks, and was far more worried about the second strain of the flu that was coming thru the US at that time..https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/

•Masks. The only people who need masks are those who are already infected to keep from exposing others. The masks sold at drugstores aren't even good enough to truly protect anyone, Fauci said.

"If you look at the masks that you buy in a drug store, the leakage around that doesn't really do much to protect you," he said. "People start saying, 'Should I start wearing a mask?' Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask." Now this is an interesting statement by Tony because I see lots of people(in fact some posters on here) claim that had we had a national mask mandate right away, this would not have been nearly as big of a problem. Well but wait...Fauci said himself that masks weren't necessary and don;t do anything(the same ones we are all wearing now). So was Trump listening to him then?? evidence says yes, and had he not, people would have been screaming at him for not listening.

Fauci doesn't want people to worry about coronavirus, the danger of which is "just minuscule." But he does want them to take precautions against the "influenza outbreak, which is having its second wave."

"We have more kids dying of flu this year at this time than in the last decade or more," he said. "At the same time people are worrying about going to a Chinese restaurant. The threat is (we have) a pretty bad influenza season, particularly dangerous for our children."

And then in March we had Fauci on video saying things like this:

MARK LEVIN: Welcome back. Dr. Fauci, let me ask you a question. You've been doing this a long time. Have you ever seen this big of a coordinated response by an administration to such a threat? A health threat?

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI: Well, we've never had a threat like this and the coordinated response has been, there are a number of adjectives to describe it. Impressive, I think is one of them.

I mean, we're talking about all-hands on-deck is that I, as one of many people on a team, I'm not the only person, since the beginning that we even recognized what this was. I have been devoting almost full time on this -- almost full time.

I'm down at the White House virtually every day with the Taskforce. I'm connected by phone throughout the day and into the night and when I say night, I'm talking twelve, one, two in the morning. I'm not the only one. There's a whole group of us that are doing that. It's every single day.

So I can't imagine that that under any circumstances that anybody could be doing more. I mean, obviously, we're fighting a formidable enemy -- this virus. This virus is a serious issue here.


A couple of ways to do that. The first was, as we say, all the time, the very timely decision on the part of the President to shut off travel from China, because we saw that there was this possibility of people coming in and seeding in the country. We did it early.

Second thing, when the infection burden shifted from China to Europe, we did the same thing with Europe. We shut off travel from Europe, which again was another safeguard to prevent influx from without in.


The other way you do it is by containment and mitigation. And now everybody knows what the word mitigation means because it's the things that we're doing. No crowds, work from home. Don't go to places that you can be susceptible. Ten people in a room, not 50 and a hundred people. Stay away from theatres.

Take the elderly people who are susceptible and have them do self- isolation. Stay out of bars, stay out of restaurants.

If you're in an area where there's a lot of coronavirus activity, close the bars, close the restaurants. That's heavy duty mitigation.

So I think with all of those things going on at the same time, I believe we will -- we're already doing it, but you just can't notice it yet because you have the dynamics of the virus going up. We're trying to put it down. You're not really sure quantitatively what you're doing, but you can be actually certain that we're having an impact on it

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03
/23/fauci_the_response_of_trump_admin_has_been_impressive_i_cant_imagine_anybody_could_be_doing_more.html

So I guess I'm confused...so many say that bad orange man messed all of this up..yet the Dr everyone says he should have been listening to, PRAISED the administration's response as "impressive".

Bad orange man seemingly was listening to the science as many wanted him to do, Fauci said it himself. The same Fauci who said in the February article that the risk was "minimal", then said in the video interview a month later that it was "serious".

And in case you didn't see Orange man's interview with Mike Wallace he said:

WALLACE: California locking down again. Florida, deadliest day of the entire pandemic. Hospitals at capacity at a number of places around the country. Shortages of testing, shortages of personal protective equipment for nurses and doctors.

A lot of people say this is because we don't have a national plan. You talk about states. We don't have a national plan. Do you take responsibility for that?

TRUMP: Look, I take responsibility always for everything because it's ultimately my job, too. I have to get everybody in line.

Pretty sure that's taking responsibility, no??

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

OK I just hope you are reasonable and understanding next Marquette basketball season.  Because your standards are not very high.  When you look at similarly resourced countries around the world, we are performing very poorly.  And frankly it might get worse because the economic circumstances are going to get much worse in pretty short order.

But I'm sure you'll find someone to pass the buck to.

[muguru]

Suddenly? No. We were bashing Florida very early when it was obvious DeSantis was being an idiot and not taking it seriously. As the pandemic was ripping through the initial metro centers, he refused to shut anything down and then wanted a pat on the head when Florida wasn't immediately hit. There is nothing sudden about pointing out he was a moron.
Hint: The death rates everywhere have fallen, thankfully, because we have gotten better at treating patients. I mean, do you think DeSantis did something that magically made the death rates better in Florida?

North Dakota didn't shut down, didn't require masks, and trusted the people to do the right things..They have had very little issue with covid there. Now sure maybe you can say no one living there plays a part, and that's reasonable. But then why should a national lockdown and mask mandate been implemented for everyone when it simply wasn't much of a problem in some states and still isn't?? Does that seem reasonable to you?? It's not really a one size fits all type of deal.