COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[forgetful]

In press conferences we keep hearing how "they should have stopped this" in regards to COVID. That the blame is on China for not getting this under control. It drives me nuts.

We had warning. We knew it existed, what it was, and what could be done to mitigate the spread. And we have failed miserably. We are the worst in the world, and that is our fault. If we couldn't control this at all, with prior warning, and knowledge. Isn't it absurd to criticize another nation for "not controlling it" when it is no longer spreading on their turf, but spreading like wild-fire on ours.

What China could have done better, and should have done in terms of transparency is an open question. But there was no stopping this from getting out of China. It was up to each nation to take proper measures then to stop spread within their own borders. What nation has failed worse in that regards than the rest. It is time we own that.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Right, the "blaming China" line may have made sense in March.  It makes no sense now.  Other countries with similar resources have figured it out.  We dropped the ball.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

It’s frustrating but unless you haven’t accepted what is happening, it rings hollow.  As did blaming Fauci, then the governors, etc. 

This is a direct result of our policy choices. We bet on summer lull and have been burned.  Too many other countries in control at this point to make it seem like a different outcome wasn’t possible. 

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Health wise
- States are in charge
- Get a vaccine quick as that is the only solution
- Epidemic is being overblown


Economic wise
- make a temporary as possible
- give money to people in phase one
- push fed to lend
- keep businesses viable and hope for quick SnapBack

Political
- hope for the summer lull
- get people to vote
- hope the vaccine comes before second wave or election

By the way here is what I called the policy back in June.  I don’t think I would change anything on that list.  Sadly

[Uncle Rico]

Right, the "blaming China" line may have made sense in March.  It makes no sense now.  Other countries with similar resources have figured it out.  We dropped the ball.

Great leaders and societies accept blame and try and fix their mistakes.  This isn’t solely a blame the bad orange man, many Americans have become this way, but we blame others for our travails instead of accepting responsibility for our actions.  It’s weird, because as a nation, we are often quick to or once were, accept the apology and move forward

[TSmith34, Inc.]

In press conferences we keep hearing how "they should have stopped this" in regards to COVID. That the blame is on China for not getting this under control. It drives me nuts.

We had warning. We knew it existed, what it was, and what could be done to mitigate the spread. And we have failed miserably. We are the worst in the world, and that is our fault. If we couldn't control this at all, with prior warning, and knowledge. Isn't it absurd to criticize another nation for "not controlling it" when it is no longer spreading on their turf, but spreading like wild-fire on ours.

What China could have done better, and should have done in terms of transparency is an open question. But there was no stopping this from getting out of China. It was up to each nation to take proper measures then to stop spread within their own borders. What nation has failed worse in that regards than the rest. It is time we own that.

Just a repetition of Trump's never ending attempt to shift blame away from his own inactions. Today Kelly Ann Conway shifted the blame to states for opening up too fast.

[GooooMarquette]

Right, the "blaming China" line may have made sense in March.  It makes no sense now.  Other countries with similar resources have figured it out.  We dropped the ball.

It’s frustrating but unless you haven’t accepted what is happening, it rings hollow.  As did blaming Fauci, then the governors, etc. 

This is a direct result of our policy choices. We bet on summer lull and have been burned.  Too many other countries in control at this point to make it seem like a different outcome wasn’t possible.

Agree on both points. Blaming others might make sense to a point, but when other countries figured it out and his administration didn't, the buck has to stop somewhere. He, regrettably, keeps pointing at the same 'villains' and occasionally tries to throw in a new one....

[MU82]

State of Florida had more new cases last week than the entire continent of Europe.    Including Sweden.

The guy at the top of the ticket just had to cancel the GOP convention. You know, the one that was supposed to take place in Jacksonville, where he moved it, whining and stomping, because the mean governor of NC would not guarantee an SRO crowd in Charlotte with no masks and no social distancing in the middle of a "hoax" pandemic.

Can't make this shyte up.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

There has been a lot of support brewing for a cheap low sensitive test for covid (think paper strips ~15 mins). It would only detect the largest viral loads which typically occur before symptoms begin.  Seems like a cheap and easy way to find the sick at their sickest and keep them home.  Too easy?  Here is a pictorial.

https://twitter.com/jonasheidelberg/status/1284992137180917761?s=21

[forgetful]

There has been a lot of support brewing for a cheap low sensitive test for covid (think paper strips ~15 mins). It would only detect the largest viral loads which typically occur before symptoms begin.  Seems like a cheap and easy way to find the sick at their sickest and keep them home.  Too easy?  Here is a pictorial.

https://twitter.com/jonasheidelberg/status/1284992137180917761?s=21

Now you got me thinking of whether there are ways to make a cheap (less than $1 per test) test that could easily be done at home that would be low sensitivity just like you mention.

Could be a potentially viable way of being able to mitigate spread. People test themselves at home each day before going to work/school, especially those in nursing/healthcare that may be exposed to at risk populations.

I wonder how cheap it would need to be to be economically viable. Business people, ideas?

[Hards Alumni]

Now you got me thinking of whether there are ways to make a cheap (less than $1 per test) test that could easily be done at home that would be low sensitivity just like you mention.

Could be a potentially viable way of being able to mitigate spread. People test themselves at home each day before going to work/school, especially those in nursing/healthcare that may be exposed to at risk populations.

I wonder how cheap it would need to be to be economically viable. Business people, ideas?

Said this from the beginning.  Its our way out

[forgetful]

Said this from the beginning.  Its our way out

I guess my mindset of always trying to make the most sensitive and accurate test kind of blinded me from the possible benefit of a low sensitivity test.

The problem then is finding a viable method that is cheaper than dirt.

[forgetful]

It's interesting thinking about how things we typically take for granted end up being affected by COVID. I've always loved film, and am a bit of a film buff. Saw this article today about how release dates are now being pushed back an entire year.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/media/disney-mulan-star-wars-avatar-delays/index.html

It made me think about what the Oscars will look like for 2021. Usually in February, we might be almost a full year into a time period of little to no movie releases, particularly blockbusters.

I've been well aware of how it has impacted sports, and many other areas, but hadn't really thought about its impact in film.

Its crazy how everything has changed. How many things seem to become a new, completely unusual, normal. And how all of it is so mentally exhausting.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Here is another connect the dots thread about something forgetful brought up early.  Masking could reduce viral load which could mean more mild infections. 


https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1286361967792394242?s=21

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I wonder how cheap it would need to be to be economically viable. Business people, ideas?

I think businesses and schools would pay $0.50-$1 a day.  Easily. 

[Hards Alumni]

I guess my mindset of always trying to make the most sensitive and accurate test kind of blinded me from the possible benefit of a low sensitivity test.

The problem then is finding a viable method that is cheaper than dirt.

Look to India.  They're fantastic at developing this sort of thing, and keeping the costs to a minimum.

[GooooMarquette]

Here is another connect the dots thread about something forgetful brought up early.  Masking could reduce viral load which could mean more mild infections. 


https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1286361967792394242?s=21

Yep. Too many people are focusing solely on whether a cloth mask can block transmission, when in fact they only need to reduce it to have a dramatic impact on overall spread.

[shoothoops]

The United States Rowing Team, ages 23-37 would like everyone to know the difficulties of COVID-19, over a dozen tested positive and suffered symptoms for as much as 40 days: (Spoiler alert, no masks were worn)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/24/sports/olympics/coronavirus-us-rowing-olympics.html#click=https://t.co/5AFjQ22qsj

[forgetful]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/us/texas-starr-county-hospital-coronavirus/index.html

People should be appalled by this and there should be national outcries. Possibly sending people home to die.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/us/texas-starr-county-hospital-coronavirus/index.html

People should be appalled by this and there should be national outcries. Possibly sending people home to die.

“ Those patients who most certainly don't have any hope of improving, we believe they are better taken care of within their own family in the love of their own home rather than thousands of miles away, dying in a hospital room alone," Vasquez said.”

Actually...I would rather be sent thousands of miles away.

[GooooMarquette]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/us/texas-starr-county-hospital-coronavirus/index.html

People should be appalled by this and there should be national outcries. Possibly sending people home to die.

This is unconscionable. It’s one thing when terminal patients ask to die at home with their families, but sending them home to ‘clear space’ should never happen in any wealthy country.

[Warriors4ever]

Death panels, literally.
How awful for the medical personnel as well as the patient.

[shoothoops]

Sinclair Broadcasting owns roughly 300 stations in 100 markets, plus all Fox Sports Regionals. This weekend they are airing a segment that suggests that Dr. Fauci created COVID-19. This is dangerous. People will unnecessarily die because of this
Sinclair is a very dangerous entity:


https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1286864655550500868?s=19

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

Sinclair Broadcasting owns roughly 300 stations in 100 markets, plus all Fox Sports Regionals. This weekend they are airing a segment that suggests that Dr. Fauci created COVID-19. This is dangerous. People will unnecessarily die because of this
Sinclair is a very dangerous entity:


https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1286864655550500868?s=19

Apparently the pulled back and won't air it. That's very good. Disprovable nonsense has no place on news  as "alternate points of view".

[Jockey]

Apparently the pulled back and won't air it. That's very good. Disprovable nonsense has no place on news  as "alternate points of view".

You mean “alternative facts”.