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MUScoop => The Superbar => COVID-19 => Topic started by: tower912 on January 07, 2021, 08:02:51 AM
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Will the actions of January 6 end up being a superspreader event? One non-mask wearing congressman tested positive after being in proximity to many colleagues for an extended period. Several thousand people packed together and not wearing masks.
It is my opinion that we will be able to draw straight lines back to this event. And there will continue to be divisions about the virus. Those who think the virus isn't a problem won't be swayed. Those who think it is a problem will have their opinions reinforced.
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Don't think so, at least not traceable. While there's many false equivalencies being drawn between the BLM protests and yesterday's the one thing that's true of both is lack of social distancing, and poor mask wearing/no mask wearing. This leads me to believe that it'll be a similar result viruswise.
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Most of them probably already had the virus at at least once
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When representatives were herded into smaller rooms for their safety, some republicans refused to wear masks.
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Rumor has it, trump has a new account on Twitter. @coachdonaldtrump
;D ;D
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Rumor has it, trump has a new account on Twitter. @coachdonaldtrump
;D ;D
You had a hand in CTC twitter, yes?
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Rumor has it, trump has a new account on Twitter. @coachdonaldtrump
I already know he'd be the best coach of some scooper's lifetime.
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You had a hand in CTC twitter, yes?
Maybe....
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When representatives were herded into smaller rooms for their safety, some republicans refused to wear masks.
They've been vaccinated. I realize it is bad optics, but save the outrage for the next thing MSNBC wants you to be upset about. :-X
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I already know he'd be the best coach of some scooper's lifetime.
Rocky to the hole with authority!
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They've been vaccinated. I realize it is bad optics, but save the outrage for the next thing MSNBC wants you to be upset about. :-X
I would be willing to bet you don’t know how many of these people consented to get the vaccine.
Just don’t fall off that horse. It’s a long way down.
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I would be willing to bet you don’t know how many of these people consented to get the vaccine.
Just don’t fall off that horse. It’s a long way down.
I'm not on one, just being realistic. Think about it.
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I'm not on one, just being realistic. Think about it.
Isn't the guidance to wear a mask even if you've been vaccinated because a) you could still spread it and b) the vaccine isn't 100% effective?
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Yes, that is the guidance. Plus there are people who took the first shot but had already been exposed who subsequently developed Covid, and you don’t reach 95% until after the second shot anyway. There were also non-elected officials in the room. Plus one should set the example for others. But they already know all of that, and still refused anyway.
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Welp.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1348302344950312960
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Welp.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1348302344950312960
"may have been" seems obvious. I mean we are still in a pandemic, with rapid community spread. This is also why it was important that congress got their first shot as early as possible . Several "at risk" in the room, but if they took it when they could - assuming Dec 18 like Pelosi & McConnell - there were already 19 days after the first shot and a good chance at some immunity/antibodies.
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Yes, that is the guidance. Plus there are people who took the first shot but had already been exposed who subsequently developed Covid, and you don’t reach 95% until after the second shot anyway. There were also non-elected officials in the room. Plus one should set the example for others. But they already know all of that, and still refused anyway.
that's what I thought, so far from simple "bad optics". selfish willfully ignorant at a minimum.
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Would’ve worried about a super spreader down in Tuscaloosa last night but I bet all those kids have already had covid.
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Welp.
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1348302344950312960
Yep. Two Democratic Reps have tested positive in recent days, after being sequestered in close quarters with Republicans who refused to wear masks.
https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/12/955976431/rep-jayapal-blames-insurrection-lockdown-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19
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Yep. Two Democratic Reps have tested positive in recent days, after being sequestered in close quarters with Republicans who refused to wear masks.
https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/12/955976431/rep-jayapal-blames-insurrection-lockdown-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19
The violent insurrection didn't work so they're using biological warfare against the left now
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Yes, that is the guidance. Plus there are people who took the first shot but had already been exposed who subsequently developed Covid, and you don’t reach 95% until after the second shot anyway. There were also non-elected officials in the room. Plus one should set the example for others. But they already know all of that, and still refused anyway.
They've been vaccinated. I realize it is bad optics, but save the outrage for the next thing MSNBC wants you to be upset about. :-X
I wonder if the mentality of "I've been vaccinated" may actually lead to an initial increase in spread. If it is true, that the vaccinated can still spread COVID (unknown still), then I think it is a distinct possibility.
I've seen a lot of people who have been vaccinated adopt this idea of "protection" leading them to abandon many of they prior habits to avoid COVID. Essentially they believe this gives them permission to return to life as normal. But they may actually be far more likely to spread COVID as an asymptomatic carrier.
I'm hoping that the vaccine protects both from getting sick and from acquiring and transmitting COVID, otherwise I think we may see an initial increase in spread as a result of vaccination.
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They've been vaccinated. I realize it is bad optics, but save the outrage for the next thing MSNBC wants you to be upset about. :-X
Three Democratic members of Congress have tested positive for COVID-19, and they all have pointed to a day spent locked down with republican colleagues who refused to wear masks as a likely point of contraction.
But I’ll try to save my outrage. You really need to be aware rather than defend these people.
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Three Democratic members of Congress have tested positive for COVID-19, and they all have pointed to a day spent locked down with republican colleagues who refused to wear masks as a likely point of contraction.
But I’ll try to save my outrage. You really need to be aware rather than defend these people.
Look man, I'm not defending them, but you can't prove contact with their republican colleagues caused them to get covid. There were a ton of moving pieces that day.
Stop looking for the answers you want, and think for yourself. Of COURSE they're going to blame their non-mask wearing constituents. It's called politics. Lordy.
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Look man, I'm not defending them, but you can't prove contact with their republican colleagues caused them to get covid. There were a ton of moving pieces that day.
Stop looking for the answers you want, and think for yourself. Of COURSE they're going to blame their non-mask wearing constituents. It's called politics. Lordy.
If you get a few more I'd be willing to say that it's likely due to someone refusing to wear a mask but you're right, as it stands, you cannot prove it was due to those making an asinine decision.
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Would’ve worried about a super spreader down in Tuscaloosa last night but I bet all those kids have already had covid.
I saw a picture of a bunch of people packed together outside. Hopefully being outdoors is enough to mitigate some of the spread. But I have to imagine bars were pretty full, so there will be an uptick.
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Look man, I'm not defending them, but you can't prove contact with their republican colleagues caused them to get covid. There were a ton of moving pieces that day.
Stop looking for the answers you want, and think for yourself. Of COURSE they're going to blame their non-mask wearing constituents. It's called politics. Lordy.
So you're a big believer in coincidence. I'm not. The virus doesn't consider politics.
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Look man, I'm not defending them, but you can't prove contact with their republican colleagues caused them to get covid. There were a ton of moving pieces that day.
Stop looking for the answers you want, and think for yourself. Of COURSE they're going to blame their non-mask wearing constituents. It's called politics. Lordy.
You are correct that it may not be possible to prove the source of infection. But you are also bright enough to understand that much of epidemiology is about probabilities, like the assessment of likely exposures and the relative risks of various situations.
So let's look at the situation: (1) In a tight enclosed space (2) for several hours; (3) with people who refused to wear masks; (4) and tested positive shortly thereafter.
While that may not be absolute proof, it's a textbook case of an extremely high risk situation, such that most reputable epidemiologists would likely conclude it to be the origin of the infection.
Put your science hat back on....
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In conclusion: Wear a damn mask.
Honestly. It's not that hard.
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In conclusion: Wear a damn mask.
Or wear two!
https://twitter.com/NYTNational/status/1349100095497768968?s=20
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You are correct that it may not be possible to prove the source of infection. But you are also bright enough to understand that much of epidemiology is about probabilities, like the assessment of likely exposures and the relative risks of various situations.
So let's look at the situation: (1) In a tight enclosed space (2) for several hours; (3) with people who refused to wear masks; (4) and tested positive shortly thereafter.
While that may not be absolute proof, it's a textbook case of an extremely high risk situation, such that most reputable epidemiologists would likely conclude it to be the origin of the infection.
Put your science hat back on....
Thanks, Goo.
I thought that would be obvious, but...
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I wonder if the mentality of "I've been vaccinated" may actually lead to an initial increase in spread. If it is true, that the vaccinated can still spread COVID (unknown still), then I think it is a distinct possibility.
I've seen a lot of people who have been vaccinated adopt this idea of "protection" leading them to abandon many of they prior habits to avoid COVID. Essentially they believe this gives them permission to return to life as normal. But they may actually be far more likely to spread COVID as an asymptomatic carrier.
I'm hoping that the vaccine protects both from getting sick and from acquiring and transmitting COVID, otherwise I think we may see an initial increase in spread as a result of vaccination.
This was in the news recently:
‘I Am Immortal!’ Screams 90-Year-Old British Woman Embarking On Epic Post-Vaccination Bender
https://www.theonion.com/i-am-immortal-screams-90-year-old-british-woman-emba-1845834963
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New:
Any member of Congress on House Floor not wearing a mask gets $500 deducted from their pay. 2nd offense is $2500.
The House Office Building Commission is considering the same fine system.
Here is an op-ed from one of three members who tested positive for the virus:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/12/bonnie-watson-coleman-covid-republicans-masks/#click=https://t.co/GBil9pn3iA
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You know, when I first saw this thread, I chuckled. I mean, with everything else going on, are we really gonna go off on whether this was a superspreader event?
But this was just so effen inconsiderate. It was people they work with saying, "Screw you. I don't believe in masks, and I really don't care if you get a potentially deadly infection."
I don't even know what to say about these kind of people any more.
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Two time Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist Klete Keller was identified as part of the pro Trump Mob Capitol Rioters.
His teammates and coaches identified him.
"The 6'6 Keller, seen pushing and shoving police officers....was wearing his Olympic Team Jacket."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/sports/olympics/klete-keller-capitol-trump.html#click=https://t.co/srEIG09vRP
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New:
Any member of Congress on House Floor not wearing a mask gets $500 deducted from their pay. 2nd offense is $2500.
The House Office Building Commission is considering the same fine system.
Here is an op-ed from one of three members who tested positive for the virus:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/12/bonnie-watson-coleman-covid-republicans-masks/#click=https://t.co/GBil9pn3iA
I'm glad to hear they are making this rule since so many people are so frickin selfish and can't be bothered to wear a mask.
I read the op-ed earlier - thought it was well written and I feel so bad for her as she worked so hard to avoid Covid and then got stuck last Wednesday with some people who wouldn't wear masks while sheltering in place during the domestic terrorism at the Capital.
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You are correct that it may not be possible to prove the source of infection. But you are also bright enough to understand that much of epidemiology is about probabilities, like the assessment of likely exposures and the relative risks of various situations.
So let's look at the situation: (1) In a tight enclosed space (2) for several hours; (3) with people who refused to wear masks; (4) and tested positive shortly thereafter.
While that may not be absolute proof, it's a textbook case of an extremely high risk situation, such that most reputable epidemiologists would likely conclude it to be the origin of the infection.
Put your science hat back on....
My science hat is on, but my blinders are not. You do realize how many people work in that building? Security? Staffers? And then add general public to the HVAC system. The number of vectors on that day is enormous. Be reasonable. This is politics and nothing more. I have sincere doubts that congresspeople (who have been vaccinated) were the sources of transmission considering ALL of the facts. Is it possible that they got it directly from their colleagues? Sure, that is possible.
But we live in a world of optics, and that is what this is.
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My science hat is on, but my blinders are not. You do realize how many people work in that building? Security? Staffers? And then add general public to the HVAC system. The number of vectors on that day is enormous. Be reasonable. This is politics and nothing more. I have sincere doubts that congresspeople (who have been vaccinated) were the sources of transmission considering ALL of the facts. Is it possible that they got it directly from their colleagues? Sure, that is possible.
But we live in a world of optics, and that is what this is.
That’s my thought. Also, we all know people who have taken proper steps and always mask up...yet contracted COVID. The variables are endless (not even including vaccines) but the narrative with its optics and political implications is clean and easy to come to, it’s totally unsurprising.
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Look man, I'm not defending them, but you can't prove contact with their republican colleagues caused them to get covid. There were a ton of moving pieces that day.
Stop looking for the answers you want, and think for yourself. Of COURSE they're going to blame their non-mask wearing constituents. It's called politics. Lordy.
One group not only refused to wear masks but made fun of those that did, all while their supporters were attacking causing them to hide in the first place. Not at all surprising you are defending them. Sad, really.
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New:
Any member of Congress on House Floor not wearing a mask gets $500 deducted from their pay. 2nd offense is $2500.
The House Office Building Commission is considering the same fine system.
Here is an op-ed from one of three members who tested positive for the virus:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/12/bonnie-watson-coleman-covid-republicans-masks/#click=https://t.co/GBil9pn3iA
Hopefully next up: the metal detector rule. Same fines for refusing to pass through the detectors.
Seriously, why do these people need to be such pretty boys?
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My science hat is on, but my blinders are not. You do realize how many people work in that building? Security? Staffers? And then add general public to the HVAC system. The number of vectors on that day is enormous. Be reasonable. This is politics and nothing more. I have sincere doubts that congresspeople (who have been vaccinated) were the sources of transmission considering ALL of the facts. Is it possible that they got it directly from their colleagues? Sure, that is possible.
But we live in a world of optics, and that is what this is.
It is more than possible; it is highly probable. Cramped space; several hours; no masks; and subsequent positive tests. And the security people and staffers are required to wear masks, or risk getting fired. Only the GOP Congresspeople can get away with refusing.
Try doing the math again and then tell me who is wearing blinders.
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It is more than possible; it is highly probable. Cramped space; several hours; no masks; and subsequent positive tests. And the security people and staffers are required to wear masks, or risk getting fired. Only the GOP Congresspeople can get away with refusing.
Try doing the math again and then tell me who is wearing blinders.
https://twitter.com/Grace4NY/status/1348914463018278913?s=19
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They don't wanna go through metal detectors either.
If I have kids, I'm gonna tell them it's their right just to walk right around them if there's one at the entrance to their school.
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Two time Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist Klete Keller was identified as part of the pro Trump Mob Capitol Rioters.
His teammates and coaches identified him.
"The 6'6 Keller, seen pushing and shoving police officers....was wearing his Olympic Team Jacket."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/sports/olympics/klete-keller-capitol-trump.html#click=https://t.co/srEIG09vRP
Pushing and shoving police officers? What a lightweight. Why wasn't he bashing their heads in with flagpoles holding American flags like video showed several other terrorists doing?
Actually, I shouldn't call them terrorists. It's not like they were doing anything really horrible involving the flag.
Like quietly and peacefully kneeling during the anthem.
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My science hat is on, but my blinders are not. You do realize how many people work in that building? Security? Staffers? And then add general public to the HVAC system. The number of vectors on that day is enormous. Be reasonable. This is politics and nothing more. I have sincere doubts that congresspeople (who have been vaccinated) were the sources of transmission considering ALL of the facts. Is it possible that they got it directly from their colleagues? Sure, that is possible.
But we live in a world of optics, and that is what this is.
Stop already and just accept the simple, obvious answer. Most people who work in the building wear masks. The general public wear masks in the building. You are the only one who is making this political by denying the most likely answer as you support the mouth breathers.
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Even if they could prove with 100% certainty nobody got covid from the people refusing to wear a mask, it's still irresponsible and inconsiderate for people not to be wearing masks indoors with people they don't live with right now. Even if you're vaccinated. It's possible you can still spread the virus as an asymptomatic carrier even after you are vaccinated.
So again. Wear a damn mask.
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Stop already and just accept the simple, obvious answer. Most people who work in the building wear masks. The general public wear masks in the building. You are the only one who is making this political by denying the most likely answer as you support the mouth breathers.
Yeah, okay bud. You win, I feel so owned.
I look forward to the talking points you've been handed for tomorrow's political posting.
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One group not only refused to wear masks but made fun of those that did, all while their supporters were attacking causing them to hide in the first place. Not at all surprising you are defending them. Sad, really.
Please point to where I defended anyone not wearing a mask. You must be new around here, or lack the fundamental ability to read or retain information.
Furthermore, I'm more left leaning than probably 99% of this board. I just can smell BS when the scent is wafting in from the farms.
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It is more than possible; it is highly probable. Cramped space; several hours; no masks; and subsequent positive tests. And the security people and staffers are required to wear masks, or risk getting fired. Only the GOP Congresspeople can get away with refusing.
Try doing the math again and then tell me who is wearing blinders.
The space had more than 6 ft between the group who didn't want to wear masks, and who did if that was wanted. It was a big room, and while it may not have been PROPERLY spaced I'm pretty sure I could have found a way to stay away from the maskless jackasses. They were locked up for less than two hours. The congress people who got covid here were wearing masks, right? That should offer quite a bit of protection. I see masks being worn wrong all the time. Why did only these 3 congress people contract covid? Why were they anywhere near the people without masks?Security and staffers might be required to wear masks, but were they wearing them? You can't answer that with certainty. Now, add the hundreds of people who stormed the building to the mix.
Again, I'm not making excuses for anyone's terrible behavior, I just wish people could figure out that most of politics is grandstanding and performance art. It is meant to evoke emotions, and as you can see from folks like Jockey and rocket, it works really well. Then add the cable news commentary to the emotions and people become tribal. And that's where we are at politically in our country. Absolute polarization.
Both the Democrats, and Republicans wanted that video of them in the shelter room to come out. Just for different reasons. That stupid video shot from a phone has probably already raised millions of dollars for each side. What is outrageous and unsafe to one side is rebellion and freedom to another.
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Lots of these photos floating around since last night. (All wearing masks, and others not pictured stationed outside of individual offices, visitor areas etc, hundreds of them):
https://twitter.com/ESCochrane/status/1349369986624712705?s=19
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The space had more than 6 ft between the group who didn't want to wear masks, and who did if that was wanted. It was a big room, and while it may not have been PROPERLY spaced I'm pretty sure I could have found a way to stay away from the maskless jackasses. They were locked up for less than two hours. The congress people who got covid here were wearing masks, right? That should offer quite a bit of protection. I see masks being worn wrong all the time. Why did only these 3 congress people contract covid? Why were they anywhere near the people without masks?Security and staffers might be required to wear masks, but were they wearing them? You can't answer that with certainty. Now, add the hundreds of people who stormed the building to the mix.
Again, I'm not making excuses for anyone's terrible behavior, I just wish people could figure out that most of politics is grandstanding and performance art. It is meant to evoke emotions, and as you can see from folks like Jockey and rocket, it works really well. Then add the cable news commentary to the emotions and people become tribal. And that's where we are at politically in our country. Absolute polarization.
Both the Democrats, and Republicans wanted that video of them in the shelter room to come out. Just for different reasons. That stupid video shot from a phone has probably already raised millions of dollars for each side. What is outrageous and unsafe to one side is rebellion and freedom to another.
I have said from the beginning that we won't know with certainty.
I am just going based on the risk factors, and pointing to the far most likely possibility. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I have said from the beginning that we won't know with certainty.
I am just going based on the risk factors, and pointing to the far most likely possibility. Nothing more, nothing less.
As am I. Can you point to a congressman in that room that was not wearing a mask and has tested positive for Covid? Let's start there and think this through.
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As am I. Can you point to a congressman in that room that was not wearing a mask and has tested positive for Covid? Let's start there and think this through.
Good point. Where are the positive Republicans that transmitted it? Was a positive gwen moore in the group?
Lots going on in DC besides the shítshow, lots of possibilities for catching it.
But talking points.
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As am I. Can you point to a congressman in that room that was not wearing a mask and has tested positive for Covid? Let's start there and think this through.
I don't have a list of every congressman in the room, nor a list of all who have tested positive. Nor do I have any confidence that every GOP congressman who tests positive will even publicly report it.
Kinda like you don't know which (or how many) of the masked Capitol employees or visitors who have tested positive.
Again, I am simply going based on the information we have. And based on that information, the most likely source is an unmasked person who was cooped up together in a locked room for hours, as opposed to a masked person who wasn't. And since there was no direct contact between the congresspeople and the rioters, the likelihood of that as a source of infection is infinitesimally low.
So go ahead and think it through based on the information we have....
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I don't have a list of every congressman in the room, nor a list of all who have tested positive. Nor do I have any confidence that every GOP congressman who tests positive will even publicly report it.
Kinda like you don't know which (or how many) of the masked Capitol employees or visitors who have tested positive.
Again, I am simply going based on the information we have. And based on that information, the most likely source is an unmasked person who was cooped up together in a locked room for hours, as opposed to a masked person who wasn't. And since there was no direct contact between the congresspeople and the rioters, the likelihood of that as a source of infection is infinitesimally low.
So go ahead and think it through based on the information we have....
I'm not the one jumping to conclusions based on my politics or fee fees. If you can't point to a person in that room that was covid positive, then you probably shouldn't be placing blame. You don't have all the information. You don't know who came into contact with whom, nor do you know if those three Covid+ Dems came into contact with someone who was unknowingly positive outside of the lockdown room. I'd hate to be on trial if you were a juror in this situation.
Examine your outrage. I'm upset that those R's weren't wearing masks as well. It's reckless and dangerous. But I'm going to need actual evidence to place blame on them for their colleagues' testing positive.
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I'm not the one jumping to conclusions based on my politics or fee fees. If you can't point to a person in that room that was covid positive, then you probably shouldn't be placing blame. You don't have all the information. You don't know who came into contact with whom, nor do you know if those three Covid+ Dems came into contact with someone who was unknowingly positive outside of the lockdown room. I'd hate to be on trial if you were a juror in this situation.
Examine your outrage. I'm upset that those R's weren't wearing masks as well. It's reckless and dangerous. But I'm going to need actual evidence to place blame on them for their colleagues' testing positive.
Funny you say you aren't jumping to conclusions...then you conclude I am 'outraged' and act like I have been saying 'I know for certain who caused the infections.
Neither is true. I'm not outraged. And I don't know anything for certain. I have said that all along, which you would know if you had been paying attention. I am just looking at the facts we know right now, in conjunction with the probabilities for transmission, to wit:
Close contact >> Distant contact
Extended contact >> Brief contact
Contact in closed rooms >> Contact in open areas
Unmasked contact >>>>>>>> masked contact
Again...I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHO CAUSED THE INFECTIONS (clear enough yet?), but I sure as hell know who I'd be looking most closely.
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The National Guard is "Tired" of some lawmakers on Capitol Hill not respecting CDC guidelines when around their troops:
https://twitter.com/StevenBeynon/status/1349438835332177920?s=19
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Funny you say you aren't jumping to conclusions...then you conclude I am 'outraged' and act like I have been saying 'I know for certain who caused the infections.
Neither is true. I'm not outraged. And I don't know anything for certain. I have said that all along, which you would know if you had been paying attention. I am just looking at the facts we know right now, in conjunction with the probabilities for transmission, to wit:
Close contact >> Distant contact
Extended contact >> Brief contact
Contact in closed rooms >> Contact in open areas
Unmasked contact >>>>>>>> masked contact
Again...I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHO CAUSED THE INFECTIONS (clear enough yet?), but I sure as hell know who I'd be looking most closely.
Oh I've been paying plenty attention. I do appreciate the slow walk back though. The problem I saw was high probability of covid transmission being used to blame, despite the total lack of evidence. If it comes out that one of the maskless people tests positive, I'm 100% fine with blaming them for the infections.
But that isn't what is happening here. They're being dragged without the certainty that they were a vector. Of course, their behavior is reprehensible, but you can't blame them without having a single iota of evidence. There is just as high of a probability that while the cameras are off everyone is behaving badly. Hell, even Doc Birx played the 'rules for thee, but not for me' game and got caught. People get lazy, people get reckless... obviously there are differing degrees of this, but don't drag people without hard evidence. Especially as a scientist.
I'm not trying to target you, and I have a ton of respect for you and your knowledge base. Just trying to point out some inconsistencies that people (not necessarily you) have in their politics. I'll try to do a better job in the future.
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Oh I've been paying plenty attention. I do appreciate the slow walk back though. The problem I saw was high probability of covid transmission being used to blame, despite the total lack of evidence. If it comes out that one of the maskless people tests positive, I'm 100% fine with blaming them for the infections.
But that isn't what is happening here. They're being dragged without the certainty that they were a vector. Of course, their behavior is reprehensible, but you can't blame them without having a single iota of evidence. There is just as high of a probability that while the cameras are off everyone is behaving badly. Hell, even Doc Birx played the 'rules for thee, but not for me' game and got caught. People get lazy, people get reckless... obviously there are differing degrees of this, but don't drag people without hard evidence. Especially as a scientist.
I'm not trying to target you, and I have a ton of respect for you and your knowledge base. Just trying to point out some inconsistencies that people (not necessarily you) have in their politics. I'll try to do a better job in the future.
I hear what you're saying about certainty. But with regard to the underlined: you can't really be upset that they're being dragged into this with a "total lack of evidence," because there is plenty of evidence that they behaved irresponsibly and might therefore have contributed to an outbreak (closed room, no masks, etc). Your issue seems to be that the evidence isn't absolutely dispositive. And on that, I have agreed from the beginning that we may never get there.
And I agree with you that we need to point out failures by people on the left too - Birx being a great example. She is every bit as worthy of criticism as these GOP representatives IMO, even if we never have conclusive evidence that any of them actually spread the virus. I can't recall if I called her out directly, but if not, mea culpa. I did previously criticize NY Democrats (DiBlasio and I think Cuomo) for events prior to the NYC outbreak, and likewise have praised some GOP Governors like Hogan for making the right decisions even when they weren't popular with their base. Totally balanced? likely not...but I have tried.
Anyhow, I'll leave it at that. Peace, brother Hards.
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Please point to where I defended anyone not wearing a mask. You must be new around here, or lack the fundamental ability to read or retain information.
Furthermore, I'm more left leaning than probably 99% of this board. I just can smell BS when the scent is wafting in from the farms.
My apologies. I was thinking you were another poster.
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As am I. Can you point to a congressman in that room that was not wearing a mask and has tested positive for Covid? Let's start there and think this through.
Another person in the room tests positive.
I love coincidences ;D ;D
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Another person in the room tests positive.
I love coincidences ;D ;D
I didn't say it was a coincidence. I said it was not provable. Just like this new positive cannot be traced to that room. But yes, believe the narrative and push it as if it was true.
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Superspreader event meets Bumble App:
https://twitter.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1350079763243798528?s=19
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ProPublica went on Parler and collected 500 videos of the Superspreader Capitol riots, and they posted them in chronological order:
https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/
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ProPublica went on Parler and collected 500 videos of the Superspreader Capitol riots, and they posted them in chronological order:
https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/
Nothing to do with Covid.
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The New Yorker also had a correspondent who took video and did a story.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/video-dept/a-reporters-footage-from-inside-the-capitol-siege
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As am I. Can you point to a congressman in that room that was not wearing a mask and has tested positive for Covid? Let's start there and think this through.
Congresses attending physician notified people in the room that they may have been exposed to COVID. What that means, is there was a person in the room who was infected with COVID, and depending on where you were, you may have reached exposure limits to constitute a close contact.
The words the attending physician used are what they say when due to confidentiality, they cannot disclose who in the room was the individual that was infected.
So it was definitely confirmed that there was an infected individual present. Given the number of people that have since tested positive from that room, it would indicate that the person infected was not wearing a mask.
You are welcome to make your own conclusions from there.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeneps/status/1352070810182295558
A lot of maskless people at the inauguration party. This has super spreader written all over it :-[
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeneps/status/1352070810182295558
A lot of maskless people at the inauguration party. This has super spreader written all over it :-[
Desperation setting in.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeneps/status/1352070810182295558
A lot of maskless people at the inauguration party. This has super spreader written all over it :-[
If you look at the very next picture you will see that they all were wearing masks, and obviously just took them off for 1 picture.
So a bunch of family members, still masked up for the event, except for a picture.
I think they are ok.
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If you look at the very next picture you will see that they all were wearing masks, and obviously just took them off for 1 picture.
So a bunch of family members, still masked up for the event, except for a picture.
I think they are ok.
Yeah. 5 family members outside taking their masks off for a picture.
But hey. Sleepy Joe already stomping the masks he made sure to flaunt all campaign in the mud.
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Go, PA2!
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Go, PA2!
I’m just worried given Biden’s age about inevitable exposure to his grandkids after they were running around maskless half the night.
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If you look at the very next picture you will see that they all were wearing masks, and obviously just took them off for 1 picture.
So a bunch of family members, still masked up for the event, except for a picture.
I think they are ok.
Hey they’re not my rules. If you’re going to sign an EO might want to enforce said EO. It’s a slippery slope forgetful. Tody it’s for one picture, tomorrow it’s one meal, and before you know it half the west wing will be exposed.
How hard is it to wear a mask?!?!
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Hey they’re not my rules. If you’re going to sign an EO might want to enforce said EO. It’s a slippery slope forgetful. Tody it’s for one picture, tomorrow it’s one meal, and before you know it half the west wing will be exposed.
How hard is it to wear a mask?!?!
Slippery slope is a logical fallacy.
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Hey they’re not my rules. If you’re going to sign an EO might want to enforce said EO. It’s a slippery slope forgetful. Tody it’s for one picture, tomorrow it’s one meal, and before you know it half the west wing will be exposed.
How hard is it to wear a mask?!?!
The order is for inside federal buildings. They were outside. Enforcing the executive order would’ve been a bad start, given it didn’t go against the executive order.
Cute try though.
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Hey they’re not my rules. If you’re going to sign an EO might want to enforce said EO. It’s a slippery slope forgetful. Tody it’s for one picture, tomorrow it’s one meal, and before you know it half the west wing will be exposed.
How hard is it to wear a mask?!?!
You go, girl.
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The order is for inside federal buildings. They were outside. Enforcing the executive order would’ve been a bad start, giving it didn’t go against the executive order.
Cute try though.
Ha, owned.
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Mr. Disingenuous strikes again!
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I’m just worried given Biden’s age about inevitable exposure to his grandkids after they were running around maskless half the night.
No you're not.
You are engaging in stupid "gotchas" that aren't useful in the public discourse at all.
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The order is for inside federal buildings. They were outside. Enforcing the executive order would’ve been a bad start, given it didn’t go against the executive order.
A 9/10 on the "Chicos Scale." Not his best work, but pretty strong nevertheless.
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I’m just worried given Biden’s age about inevitable exposure to his grandkids after they were running around maskless half the night.
No you aren't (Fluffy beat me to it)
Did you notice all had their masks on when Jill came up to them?
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No you aren't (Fluffy beat me to it)
Did you notice all had their masks on when Jill came up to them?
It's a safe assumption that for the next 4 years if Biden is found without a mask, even if he's 10 feet away from people, outdoors, and vaccinated, Pace will call it irresponsible and say there's a double standard.
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It's a safe assumption that for the next 4 years if Biden is found without a mask, even if he's 10 feet away from people, outdoors, and vaccinated, Pace will call it irresponsible and say there's a double standard.
💯!! Cause it will be.
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💯!! Cause it will be.
If he is 10 feet away from someone, outdoors and vaccinated? No it won't be.
Jeez, for someone who spends a lot of time commenting on the Covid board, you really don't seem to know what's going on.
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💯!! Cause it will be.
Hah I read this response like you were responding speaking like yoda. "Cause, it will be" because I thought you were admitting to just trolling.
Then I read Sultans post and realized it's not the case and you may actually think it's dangerous.
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If he is 10 feet away from someone, outdoors and vaccinated? No it won't be.
Jeez, for someone who spends a lot of time commenting on the Covid board, you really don't seem to know what's going on.
Gosh, could it be...intentional?
Trolly trolls gotta troll
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I’m just worried given Biden’s age about inevitable exposure to his grandkids after they were running around maskless half the night.
Your concern for our President is admirable. However he (as well as VP Harris and Speaker Pelosi) have all received two doses of the vaccine. Therefore, the line of succession is likely safe.
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It's a safe assumption that for the next 4 years if Biden is found without a mask, even if he's 10 feet away from people, outdoors, and vaccinated, Pace will call it irresponsible and say there's a double standard.
That's because Pace/Chicos/WarriorDad/Hoopaloop/Jamie Dyckes is clearly an insecure, flawed human desperately seeking out and clinging to anything that affirms his beliefs and worldview to the exclusion of objective fact.
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He's good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like him. Don't interfere with him asserting his personhood.
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That's because Pace/Chicos/WarriorDad/Hoopaloop/Jamie Dyckes is clearly an insecure, flawed human desperately seeking out and clinging to anything that affirms his beliefs and worldview to the exclusion of objective fact.
Stop it. Chicos loved the Angels. Hoopaloop was a diehard Cubs fan. There is absolutely no possible way whatsoever Chicos and Hoopaloop were the same person.
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Hoopaloop was a like minded individual who allowed Jamie to use his account during one of his many bannings.
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He's good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like him. Don't interfere with him asserting his personhood.
Nah, people like him should have their noses shoved in their own crap after the last four years. I can get people that are getting brainwashed from targeted algorithms, but Jamie is a whole new level of scumbaggery. Has intelligence, but still chooses the path he walks down.
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Stop it. Chicos loved the Angels. Hoopaloop was a diehard Cubs fan. There is absolutely no possible way whatsoever Chicos and Hoopaloop were the same person.
I thought WarriorDad was the Cubs fan?
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That's because Pace/Chicos/WarriorDad/Hoopaloop/Jamie Dyckes
He has the right to choose who he identifies as
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https://mobile.twitter.com/thejcoop/status/1352378833400430593
When asked why Biden and his family were not following the EO last night, Ms Psaki (while maskless and also out of compliance) said they had bigger things to worry about.
And the EO says masks on while in federal buildings OR on federal lands, quit making sh*t up.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/thejcoop/status/1352378833400430593
When asked why Biden and his family were not following the EO last night, Ms Psaki (while maskless and also out of compliance) said they had bigger things to worry about.
And the EO says masks on while in federal buildings OR on federal lands, quit making sh*t up.
Call the cops
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Call the cops
I’m 100% ok with everyone at the event making their own individual decision. I’ve been consistent with that, just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of this board and the media in the lack of hysteria over it.
I personally don’t care. Didnt with trump or Trump officials. Don’t with Biden or Biden officials.
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I’m 100% ok with everyone at the event making their own individual decision. I’ve been consistent with that, just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of this board and the media in the lack of hysteria over it.
I personally don’t care. Didnt with trump or Trump officials. Don’t with Biden or Biden officials.
You’re a true hero. Thank you for your service.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/thejcoop/status/1352378833400430593
When asked why Biden and his family were not following the EO last night, Ms Psaki (while maskless and also out of compliance) said they had bigger things to worry about.
And the EO says masks on while in federal buildings OR on federal lands, quit making sh*t up.
What does the EO say?
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Nah, people like him should have their noses shoved in their own crap after the last four years. I can get people that are getting brainwashed from targeted algorithms, but Jamie is a whole new level of scumbaggery. Has intelligence, but still chooses the path he walks down.
Nose shoved in my own crap, brainwashed by algorithms and scumbaggery for not agreeing with you on things. Yikes.
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What does the EO say?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-protecting-the-federal-workforce-and-requiring-mask-wearing/
Enjoy, great read!
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-protecting-the-federal-workforce-and-requiring-mask-wearing/
Enjoy, great read!
Did you read it? Or just follow the OAN headline?
You’re pathetic.
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Did you read it? Or just follow the OAN headline?
You’re pathetic.
I did read it, what did I misunderstand?
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Did you read it? Or just follow the OAN headline?
You’re pathetic.
Circled part is probably what stood out the most given context of this lovely conversation.
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I thought WarriorDad was the Cubs fan?
Lol well damn. That's how many usernames he's had. I lost track, but yes, I believe that is correct.
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Big surprise Mr. Disingenuous is posting like crazy after January 20
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Circled part is probably what stood out the most given context of this lovely conversation.
As provided in CDC guidelines.
You’re a sick person.
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As provided in CDC guidelines.
You’re a sick person.
Haha, ok.
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Big surprise Mr. Disingenuous is posting like crazy after January 20
I come and go now no different then when this whole thing started and for the past year.
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Haha, ok.
Go unnatural carnal knowledge yourself and run away from the truth.
You are the problem. You’re a sad individual, I wished you were doing a bit years ago. You aren’t, and more of you decided it’s okay to be a bad, bad human in public.
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Go unnatural carnal knowledge yourself and run away from the truth.
You are the problem. You’re a sad individual, I wished you were doing a bit years ago. You aren’t, and more of you decided it’s okay to be a bad, bad human in public.
You ok man?
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You ok man?
Yes, please go on about Biden breaking the EO.
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The EO says to wear masks “as provided in CDC guidelines.”
The CDC guidelines say “it is especially important to wear a mask when you are indoors with people you do not live with and when you are unable to stay at least 6 feet apart since COVID-19 spreads mainly among people who are in close contact with one another.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
As long as Psaki was more than 6 feet from others when she was at the podium, she didn’t violate the EO.
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The EO says to wear masks “as provided in CDC guidelines.”
The CDC guidelines say “it is especially important to wear a mask when you are indoors with people you do not live with and when you are unable to stay at least 6 feet apart since COVID-19 spreads mainly among people who are in close contact with one another.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
As long as Psaki was more than 6 feet from others when she was at the podium, she didn’t violate the EO.
If the purpose of the EO was just to formally throw the new administration’s support behind long established CDC guidelines was an EO really necessary for that?
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If the purpose of the EO was just to formally throw the new administration’s support behind long established CDC guidelines was an EO really necessary for that?
If the CDC guidelines were not being followed in federal buildings, absolutely.
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If the purpose of the EO was just to formally throw the new administration’s support behind long established CDC guidelines was an EO really necessary for that?
Classic narrative change ahead!
It’s good to know the president supports science, especially when in writing.
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If the purpose of the EO was just to formally throw the new administration’s support behind long established CDC guidelines was an EO really necessary for that?
Probably to get your side's party to start showing some leadership and wear masks next time theyre forced into a safe room in close quarters by your fellows.
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If the CDC guidelines were not being followed in federal buildings, absolutely.
Fair enough. Look at that, rational back and forth and cordial conversation. Thank you Gooo
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Fair enough. Look at that, rational back and forth and cordial conversation. Thank you Gooo
You get awfully cordial after showing your ass.
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You get awfully cordial after showing your ass.
And you become easily unhinged whenever you look at it.
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And you become easily unhinged whenever you look at it.
I’ll be okay with that, it’s worth seeing you divert and change your manner.
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I’ll be okay with that, it’s worth seeing you divert and change your manner.
I was nothing but cordial with you tonight despite some pretty nasty things being directed at me. Also I don’t necessarily agree with Goo’s interruption of the EO intent but it was nice to have an adult interaction albeit brief with him.
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Well this has been a fun read.
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Well this has been a fun read.
Yes, it would appear to me that an individual has made it their goal to get a bunch of threads locked by baiting people into arguments, repeatedly shifting the goalposts, and then playing the victim card when people get frustrated.
Strange. Another poster here used to do things like that all the time.
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Shame on me for engaging. I shall not anymore.
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Yes, it would appear to me that an individual has made it their goal to get a bunch of threads locked by baiting people into arguments, repeatedly shifting the goalposts, and then playing the victim card when people get frustrated.
Strange. Another poster here used to do things like that all the time.
Where did I shift goalposts? Not trying to play victim but when accused of not being cordial and the thread history shows anything but that being the truth what do you want me to do?
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Where did I shift goalposts? Not trying to play victim but when accused of not being cordial and the thread history shows anything but that being the truth what do you want me to do?
"Not trying to play victim here, but like always, I'm going to play victim here."
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"Not trying to play victim here, but like always, I'm going to play victim here."
So you think it’s normal to be told to have your face rubbed in sh*t and to go f*ck yourself?
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So you think it’s normal to be told to have your face rubbed in sh*t and to go f*ck yourself?
Depends on if you're purposely being obtuse or not. You either:
1. Are purposely trying to be obtuse on Biden taking that photo ignoring the ample evidence that the event was masked for 99.9% of the time, and that he's vaccinated, and that they're likely somewhat in each other's bubbles.
In this case, yes being told that is normal.
Or
2. You truly don't believe it was right, and are willing to die on a very odd hill given that you didn't criticize your own side for much worse.
In this case no you don't deserve to be told to eat your own $hit.
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So you think it’s normal to be told to have your face rubbed in sh*t and to go f*ck yourself?
Someone hasn't ever commuted via subway before, haha
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So you think it’s normal to be told to have your face rubbed in sh*t and to go f*ck yourself?
When the shoe fits
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The thing I don’t get is why is this all or nothing. I consider myself a mask wearer. I do not wear one in my office, unless I am going to engage with someone from outside my office without social distancing. I do not wear one outside. I will walk wide to avoid passing close to someone outside. I wear one in the grocery store. I do not wear one around my immediate family or very tight circles. Yet, I consider myself a mask wearer.
So, not wearing one at a podium when addressing reporters or a crowd makes sense to me. They are quite a distance away from the speaker and the speaker needs to be understood. At the inauguration event a lot of it was outside, so again, the mask wearing/non—mask wearing makes sense depending on proximity. When the President was with his immediate family, again, non-mask wearing makes sense.
But no, first thing someone mentions is Biden does not have his mask on 100% of the time….so it must not be important, or he is not following the rules, or….whatever.
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The thing I don’t get is why is this all or nothing. I consider myself a mask wearer. I do not wear one in my office, unless I am going to engage with someone from outside my office without social distancing. I do not wear one outside. I will walk wide to avoid passing close to someone outside. I wear one in the grocery store. I do not wear one around my immediate family or very tight circles. Yet, I consider myself a mask wearer.
So, not wearing one at a podium when addressing reporters or a crowd makes sense to me. They are quite a distance away from the speaker and the speaker needs to be understood. At the inauguration event a lot of it was outside, so again, the mask wearing/non—mask wearing makes sense depending on proximity. When the President was with his immediate family, again, non-mask wearing makes sense.
But no, first thing someone mentions is Biden does not have his mask on 100% of the time….so it must not be important, or he is not following the rules, or….whatever.
The point of it, in my opinion, is that the right feels that the left put themselves on a pedestal of precaution during the last year while the leader of their party did nothing to mitigate risk in his circles nor inspire mitigation amongst supporters. Due to that, they are now looking for reasons to say "see! You guys aren't the perfect angels you act like you are!" When actually, as you state, there's simple common sense mask wearing that's all that really needs to be used. Nobody is going to be wearing a mask 24/7 unless they're a major hypochondriac and nor should they have to either.
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The thing I don’t get is why is this all or nothing. I consider myself a mask wearer. I do not wear one in my office, unless I am going to engage with someone from outside my office without social distancing. I do not wear one outside. I will walk wide to avoid passing close to someone outside. I wear one in the grocery store. I do not wear one around my immediate family or very tight circles. Yet, I consider myself a mask wearer.
So, not wearing one at a podium when addressing reporters or a crowd makes sense to me. They are quite a distance away from the speaker and the speaker needs to be understood. At the inauguration event a lot of it was outside, so again, the mask wearing/non—mask wearing makes sense depending on proximity. When the President was with his immediate family, again, non-mask wearing makes sense.
But no, first thing someone mentions is Biden does not have his mask on 100% of the time….so it must not be important, or he is not following the rules, or….whatever.
There is nothing to "get." PA02 is just trying to score political points.
And what you say is extremely sensible.
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The point of it, in my opinion, is that the right feels that the left put themselves on a pedestal of precaution during the last year while the leader of their party did nothing to mitigate risk in his circles nor inspire mitigation amongst supporters. Due to that, they are now looking for reasons to say "see! You guys aren't the perfect angels you act like you are!" When actually, as you state, there's simple common sense mask wearing that's all that really needs to be used. Nobody is going to be wearing a mask 24/7 unless they're a major hypochondriac and nor should they have to either.
(https://i.imgur.com/edBQBeJ.gif)
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The point of it, in my opinion, is that the right feels that the left put themselves on a pedestal of precaution during the last year while the leader of their party did nothing to mitigate risk in his circles nor inspire mitigation amongst supporters. Due to that, they are now looking for reasons to say "see! You guys aren't the perfect angels you act like you are!" When actually, as you state, there's simple common sense mask wearing that's all that really needs to be used. Nobody is going to be wearing a mask 24/7 unless they're a major hypochondriac and nor should they have to either.
Yep.
"Mask-wearers" are people who wear masks when the situation warrants, as per the CDC guidelines, which make distinctions based on interaction with and/or proximity to others. Removing a mask at a podium when others are at a safe distance doesn't negate that.
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Someone hasn't ever commuted via subway before, haha
This made me laugh. I definitely do not miss riding subways.
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So you think it’s normal to be told to have your face rubbed in sh*t and to go f*ck yourself?
So you think it's normal to troll forums, get banned dozens of times, come back, play the victim card, start trolling again and think it's okay?
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I am constantly amazed that people here continued to get stuck in mindless arguments with chico. Don't be played so easily!
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I have learned and used the ignore feature.
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So you think it's normal to troll forums, get banned dozens of times, come back, play the victim card, start trolling again and think it's okay?
He's a chicos, but he's not who you think he is. And...tone it down...
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He's a chicos, but he's not who you think he is. And...tone it down...
Thanks Rocky, I’ve tried to tell them!?!?! And i respectively disagree with your categorization of me being a “chico” but I won’t sweat it.
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Thanks Rocky, I’ve tried to tell them!?!?! And i respectively disagree with your categorization of me being a “chico” but I won’t sweat it.
So 5$ goes silent and Pace shows back up and won’t stop posting.
Welcome back, Ners!
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So 5$ goes silent and Pace shows back up and won’t stop posting.
Welcome back, Ners!
5dollar said he wasn't in school during the successful run. Ners was posting under ellonmusk during birth these two.
Pace started in 2014 so you having to think people banned prior to that. Even then that's assuming that Rocky is insinuating he was a previous poster.
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He's a chicos, but he's not who you think he is. And...tone it down...
chico, ners, keefe - they are all the same to me.
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There are people who follow the guidelines, wear masks when appropriate, and, there are those that don't. It's pretty straight forward.
The varied specific.areas for me are people inside at a place of business who wear masks, but do so improperly. Some are lazy. Some are choosing to wear improperly because they will wear a mask, but only reluctantly because it is required. Some are also not well informed. (Yes this includes but is not limited to those who wear a plastic visor only without the mask underneath)
Trolls troll.
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I’m not defending the blatant trolling here, but to speak to part of what I think legitimately annoys people, the symbolic theater of mask wearing has gotten pretty profound. Not that the majority of mask wearing isn’t proper and necessary, but you have announcers at a basketball game, sitting 10 feet apart, behind plexiglass shields, wearing masks to broadcast the game. Then you have some speeches given outdoors with proper distance where the speaker is wearing a mask. Both, IMO, unnecessary and for show. So then when you get people that are in that scenario, and don’t wear a mask, even if reasonable, it gives ammo to the people who think mask wearing is a farce. It’s dumb and you should be able to use judgement to assess, but at least I understand the basic perspective more than “such and such pertaining to COVID is a hoax/mind control”
Really f-ing sick of listening to games where the announcers are muffled tho. Either strictly have them remote, or drop the charade, no reason they can’t broadcast in an empty arena without a mask
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I’m not defending the blatant trolling here, but to speak to part of what I think legitimately annoys people, the symbolic theater of mask wearing has gotten pretty profound. Not that the majority of mask wearing isn’t proper and necessary, but you have announcers at a basketball game, sitting 10 feet apart, behind plexiglass shields, wearing masks to broadcast the game. Then you have some speeches given outdoors with proper distance where the speaker is wearing a mask. Both, IMO, unnecessary and for show. So then when you get people that are in that scenario, and don’t wear a mask, even if reasonable, it gives ammo to the people who think mask wearing is a farce. It’s dumb and you should be able to use judgement to assess, but at least I understand the basic perspective more than “such and such pertaining to COVID is a hoax/mind control”
Really f-ing sick of listening to games where the announcers are muffled tho. Either strictly have them remote, or drop the charade, no reason they can’t broadcast in an empty arena without a mask
I like it when the politician is speaking with a mask, but the ASL interpreter is right next to them with no mask.
Also people that wear masks on zoom meetings.
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I like it when the politician is speaking with a mask, but the ASL interpreter is right next to them with no mask.
Also people that wear masks on zoom meetings.
Early in the pandemic I saw someone intentionally give a car a 6 ft social distance berth while crossing the street.
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I have absolutely zero problem with anyone taking a "better safe than sorry" approach. If that means wearing a mask in their own car with nobody in it, or wearing a mask while announcing a sporting event, or wearing a mask while in their own house, then good on them.
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Early in the pandemic I saw someone intentionally give a car a 6 ft social distance berth while crossing the street.
When I was still in NYC back in the late spring, masks had become the standard, but people would walk down Riverside Blvd or the like without a mask, cause it was easy to keep your distance if passing others and you needed to escape the apartment. A women was out with her toddler aged kid who was on a scooter. Neither wearing a mask but the woman had one in her hand. Another woman, wearing a mask and latex gloves, CROSSED THE STREET, to chastise the woman for not wearing a mask and having one for her child, and midway through her lecture, pulled her own mask down to hammer home her point in a louder clear voice. Beyond being a clear lunatic, it as hilariously disjointed
I have absolutely zero problem with anyone taking a "better safe than sorry" approach. If that means wearing a mask in their own car with nobody in it, or wearing a mask while announcing a sporting event, or wearing a mask while in their own house, then good on them.
But it’s one thing to be a personal decision, the announcing is clearly league/network/team mandated which shows a knee jerk directive instead of actual thoughtful action/protocol. If you drive a truck and want to wear a mask while driving down the road or the highway, ok. But if you’re a company that says “all our drivers need to wear a mask while on the clock, even when in the truck alone, better safe than sorry”, that seems silly and excessive to me. To each their own
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I’m not defending the blatant trolling here, but to speak to part of what I think legitimately annoys people, the symbolic theater of mask wearing has gotten pretty profound. Not that the majority of mask wearing isn’t proper and necessary, but you have announcers at a basketball game, sitting 10 feet apart, behind plexiglass shields, wearing masks to broadcast the game. Then you have some speeches given outdoors with proper distance where the speaker is wearing a mask. Both, IMO, unnecessary and for show. So then when you get people that are in that scenario, and don’t wear a mask, even if reasonable, it gives ammo to the people who think mask wearing is a farce. It’s dumb and you should be able to use judgement to assess, but at least I understand the basic perspective more than “such and such pertaining to COVID is a hoax/mind control”
I have thought this on occasion, too. But there is something to be said for role-modeling, at least in some of these situations, no?
For example, after a pretty bad start (such as when he didn't wear a mask while visiting patients at the Mayo Clinic), Pence seemed to get this. Just about whenever he was in public the last 6 months or so, he wore his mask. I happen to think that kind of thing is important.
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I’m not defending the blatant trolling here, but to speak to part of what I think legitimately annoys people, the symbolic theater of mask wearing has gotten pretty profound. Not that the majority of mask wearing isn’t proper and necessary, but you have announcers at a basketball game, sitting 10 feet apart, behind plexiglass shields, wearing masks to broadcast the game. Then you have some speeches given outdoors with proper distance where the speaker is wearing a mask. Both, IMO, unnecessary and for show. So then when you get people that are in that scenario, and don’t wear a mask, even if reasonable, it gives ammo to the people who think mask wearing is a farce. It’s dumb and you should be able to use judgement to assess, but at least I understand the basic perspective more than “such and such pertaining to COVID is a hoax/mind control”
Really f-ing sick of listening to games where the announcers are muffled tho. Either strictly have them remote, or drop the charade, no reason they can’t broadcast in an empty arena without a mask
Generally, I agree with you. Much of it is performance art, but think of it as these folks being role models for the general public. You'll have a much easier time convincing the general public to go along with something if they see everyone on TV doing it.
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Generally, I agree with you. Much of it is performance art, but think of it as these folks being role models for the general public. You'll have a much easier time convincing the general public to go along with something if they see everyone on TV doing it.
Agree. Leading by example.
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What I think is silly is the male television presenters with long unkempt Covid hair, but they have full TV makeup on.
Apparently, it's okay to let the makeup artist get close to you, but not the hair stylists.