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[ChitownSpaceForRent]

You know whats funny about Crean? Literally none of the student body cares one iota about him. Hes has been a meaningless footnote for the past 6 years. Scoop is the only place where Crean is still mentioned in regards to MU.

[Lennys Tap]

You know whats funny about Crean? Literally none of the student body cares one iota about him. Hes has been a meaningless footnote for the past 6 years. Scoop is the only place where Crean is still mentioned in regards to MU.

Why does that strike you as funny? Students don't care about MU's basketball history, they care about their little slice of it. Today's students were between 2 and 6 when Crean arrived and between 11 and 15 when he left. As they get older some will develop an appreciation for MU's history. For now? Meh.

[River rat]

You think so? He strikes me as a guy that would go to the studio to let things cool down and wait for another decent job to open up rather than jump at a mid-major or lower tier job.

I think you over estimate the demand that might be out there.  His career numbers are not very good.  How many good programs are going to embrace what he has done at IU?  The boorish personality, the transitory roster, the drug and alcohol issues?, The lack of winning, the poorly prepared teams?

Ben howland couldnt get a gig at a big program, but crean would?  Creams star has been fading since wade declared to the NBA.  And he never even gave chicos the pleasure of a reach around.  Damn u tom crean

[River rat]

You know whats funny about Crean? Literally none of the student body cares one iota about him. Hes has been a meaningless footnote for the past 6 years. Scoop is the only place where Crean is still mentioned in regards to MU.

I can tell you at least one member of the student body that cares and is thanking his lucky stars he ran from that disaster....Luke Fischer.

[wadesworld]

With Chicos being so vocal that Tom Crean is "doing it the right way" by having players that go to class and stay out of trouble and that this is what the IU faithful want first and foremost, it will be interesting to see if he is just as vocal calling Tommy out for having underage players get behind the wheel of a car after having drank alcohol or having players arrested for DUIs.  We know if it were Bazz at Marquette he'd be making everyone aware of the fact that this is not acceptable...

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Why does that strike you as funny? Students don't care about MU's basketball history, they care about their little slice of it. Today's students were between 2 and 6 when Crean arrived and between 11 and 15 when he left. As they get older some will develop an appreciation for MU's history. For now? Meh.

Obviously we know about crean and how he got us into the Big East, a final 4 (with Wade) and left for indiana. There is no obsession though. He left 7 years ago, we are now on our second coach since then. When is it going to be time to finally let him go.

[swoopem]

With Chicos being so vocal that Tom Crean is "doing it the right way" by having players that go to class and stay out of trouble and that this is what the IU faithful want first and foremost, it will be interesting to see if he is just as vocal calling Tommy out for having underage players get behind the wheel of a car after having drank alcohol or having players arrested for DUIs.  We know if it were Bazz at Marquette he'd be making everyone aware of the fact that this is not acceptable...

Don't forget about drug use. Even if the players were only smoking weed, that's a serious drug according to Chicos.

Btw I'm not a Chicos hater...only a Crean hater

[River rat]

Obviously we know about crean and how he got us into the Big East, a final 4 (with Wade) and left for indiana. There is no obsession though. He left 7 years ago, we are now on our second coach since then. When is it going to be time to finally let him go.

Since you know...can u please explain to the rest of us how Crean got us into the Big East

[NersEllenson]

With Chicos being so vocal that Tom Crean is "doing it the right way" by having players that go to class and stay out of trouble and that this is what the IU faithful want first and foremost, it will be interesting to see if he is just as vocal calling Tommy out for having underage players get behind the wheel of a car after having drank alcohol or having players arrested for DUIs.  We know if it were Bazz at Marquette he'd be making everyone aware of the fact that this is not acceptable...

Yep.  This was always my beef with Chicos.  Tear down the current MU coach, through largely double standards, while taking up for the former head coach.

I appreciated what Crean accomplished while at MU, and won't dismiss his accomplishments here - yet when Chicos puts the guy on a pedestal next to Jesus, while basically putting Buzz a level above sleeze - that was insufferable.

Almost every coach in high major ball has some warts, is going to have a few players run afoul of the law...but to act as if one coach is so above all of that and immune to it..and has total control over it (as was implied by Chicos toward Buzz and the transgressions that occurred while Buzz was here), is just total hypocrisy.

It's no surprise Chicos hasn't had a lot to say in this thread - in fact nothing - and for that, I actually applaud him - versus his usual attempts to backpeddle from erroneous comments.  Additionally, I can respect Chicos for being a die hard loyalist to a guy he worked with for a few years, and being supportive of him - yet again, don't sh$t on the guy who replaced him...when your guy voluntarily left MU for IU.

[Jay Bee]

But but but.. look at I4's APR! lol

Crean should hire ZFB to run his Twitter

[ZiggysFryBoy]

But but but.. look at I4's APR! lol

Crean should hire ZFB to run his Twitter

If you really had I4's contract,  you'd see ZFB already has that job

[Lennys Tap]

Obviously we know about crean and how he got us into the Big East, a final 4 (with Wade) and left for indiana. There is no obsession though. He left 7 years ago, we are now on our second coach since then. When is it going to be time to finally let him go.

Most here were passionate Marquette basketball fans when TC was the coach. You were somewhere between preschool and high school and didn't give a spit. It's natural that you look at things differently.

[wadesworld]

If you really had I4's contract,  you'd see ZFB already has that job

HAHA!  That's a great response.

[wadesworld]

What's worse, making some extra phone calls to recruits or losing control of your program and having a lot of off the court incidences in a very short amount of time?  Chicos wouldn't have left Scoop if these things were happening at Marquette.  Suddenly he is gone now that it's happening to Tom Crean.

But hey, "This is how you win at Indiana!"  Hah.  What a nut.

Edit:  Haha, wow.  I read a quote in an article earlier where Crean says that the rules say one thing but he's suspending them longer, for 4 games.  Well, 2 of those 4 games are their exhibition games.  Well done, Tom.  You really are a Saint.

Tom Crean: "It's Indiana, It's Indiana."
Dan Dakich, former actual Indiana basketball player, ""Indiana basketball stands for nothing. Absolutely nothing."

[keefe]

Since you know...can u please explain to the rest of us how Crean got us into the Big East

Because John Dodds always says so...

[Lennys Tap]

Because John Dodds always says so...

Welcome home, Crash. Spot on as usual.

[keefe]

I saw 2 MU players out late at Potowatomi the night before a conference game (not a Crean coached team). Both scored 20 points the next day. I think people are going a little over the top on the fact of drinking some the night before an event. I think it happens everywhere.

12 hours Bottle to Throttle. Some pruned up Army General who not once ever slipped the surly bonds of earth came up with that chestnut. That proscription has banned pre-flight drinking since before WWII. I wonder how many good men threw down their wings in disgust not to mention all the panties that stayed up as a result.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Happy Veteran's Day Keefe.  Welcome back to Meiguo.

[Golden Avalanche]

What's worse, making some extra phone calls to recruits or losing control of your program and having a lot of off the court incidences in a very short amount of time?  Chicos wouldn't have left Scoop if these things were happening at Marquette.  Suddenly he is gone now that it's happening to Tom Crean.

But hey, "This is how you win at Indiana!"  Hah.  What a nut.

Edit:  Haha, wow.  I read a quote in an article earlier where Crean says that the rules say one thing but he's suspending them longer, for 4 games.  Well, 2 of those 4 games are their exhibition games.  Well done, Tom.  You really are a Saint.

Tom Crean: "It's Indiana, It's Indiana."
Dan Dakich, former actual Indiana basketball player, ""Indiana basketball stands for nothing. Absolutely nothing."

Think this is a slippery slope. Marquette's program through the last few coaches have had plenty of off the court incidents (some in a short time under one particular coach), however, the majority never made it to the public thanks to tight lips, pink slips, and money clips.

Indiana, and Crean, are simply the latest fad in faux media outrage. There are plenty of real renegade programs out there but we seem to find the most fault in the ones whose township police departments actually do their job rather than the ones who cover crap up.

[jesmu84]

Think this is a slippery slope. Marquette's program through the last few coaches have had plenty of off the court incidents (some in a short time under one particular coach), however, the majority never made it to the public thanks to tight lips, pink slips, and money clips.

Indiana, and Crean, are simply the latest fad in faux media outrage. There are plenty of real renegade programs out there but we seem to find the most fault in the ones whose township police actually do their job rather than the ones who cover crap up.

Looking at you, Tallahassee...

[Lennys Tap]

Indiana, and Crean, are simply the latest fad in faux media outrage. There are plenty of real renegade programs out there but we seem to find the most fault in the ones whose township police departments actually do their job rather than the ones who cover crap up.

While some would find 6 serious incidents in a 9 month period over the top squirmy I would tend to agree with the gist of this. That said, it's pretty hard for the local gendarmes to cover up crap when one of the guys ends up in the ICU.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

While some would find 6 serious incidents in a 9 month period over the top squirmy I would tend to agree with the gist of this. That said, it's pretty hard for the local gendarmes to cover up crap when one of the guys ends up in the ICU.

What has happened is that as these incidents have popped up, people have begun to recognize the "Indiana is back" theme that was pushed ad nauseum by Crean ("You ruined our program!") was nothing more than another bizarre sales pitch.

Say what you want about the state of the program when he got there. Sampson had them ranked in the top 5. Would you rather have issues with players and be highly ranked or have issues with players and go 17-15?

By the way, Sampson might have been a little smarmy, but he is exponentially a better coach than Crean.

[wadesworld]

What has happened is that as these incidents have popped up, people have begun to recognize the "Indiana is back" theme that was pushed ad nauseum by Crean ("You ruined our program!") was nothing more than another bizarre sales pitch.

Say what you want about the state of the program when he got there. Sampson had them ranked in the top 5. Would you rather have issues with players and be highly ranked or have issues with players and go 17-15?

By the way, Sampson might have been a little smarmy, but he is exponentially a better coach than Crean.

Nailed it on all accounts.

[Golden Avalanche]

What has happened is that as these incidents have popped up, people have begun to recognize the "Indiana is back" theme that was pushed ad nauseum by Crean ("You ruined our program!") was nothing more than another bizarre sales pitch.

Say what you want about the state of the program when he got there. Sampson had them ranked in the top 5. Would you rather have issues with players and be highly ranked or have issues with players and go 17-15?

By the way, Sampson might have been a little smarmy, but he is exponentially a better coach than Crean.

1. Wait, you mean a coach was trumpeting his own success? Shocked. Shocked there is gambling in this establishment.

2. Regarding state of program, no surprise that if you win then the "issues" you have with players doesn't matter. We saw that up close with our repeated "issues" with players the last six seasons.

3. It's weird how we're quick to consider the "incidents" of others to be of an utmost disgusting nature when we had an "incident" of truly horrendous nature in our own backyard that directly involved our coach at the time putting the squeeze to a 19 year-old child.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

1. Wait, you mean a coach was trumpeting his own success? Shocked. Shocked there is gambling in this establishment.

2. Regarding state of program, no surprise that if you win then the "issues" you have with players doesn't matter. We saw that up close with our repeated "issues" with players the last six seasons.

3. It's weird how we're quick to consider the "incidents" of others to be of an utmost disgusting nature when we had an "incident" of truly horrendous nature in our own backyard that directly involved our coach at the time putting the squeeze to a 19 year-old child.

A 19 year old child?

I suggest taking your post to the Indiana boards, which are shockingly familiar to these boards toward the end of Crean's tenure.