Corey Hart -- 3yrs ~$25 million

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Plus braun has hits restuarant....

[🏀]

4ever is right. Braun could easily pull a Chris Paul is the Brewers continue to fail at putting together a contender. Three all-star appearances is nice, but he'll struggle at pulling in off the field money, unless the Brewers start winning. What kind of sponsorship money is he pulling? He's not having the best year, but if he's consistent top 5 every year in the OF all the boys from the yard will be looking at his milkshake.

[jfmu]

4ever is right. Braun could easily pull a Chris Paul is the Brewers continue to fail at putting together a contender. Three all-star appearances is nice, but he'll struggle at pulling in off the field money, unless the Brewers start winning. What kind of sponsorship money is he pulling? He's not having the best year, but if he's consistent top 5 every year in the OF all the boys from the yard will be looking at his milkshake.

braun is not a top 5 outfielder...sorry to break it to you

[MUfan12]

braun is not a top 5 outfielder...sorry to break it to you

Defensively? No. Offensively? Absolutely.

[MU B2002]

Defensively? No. Offensively? Absolutely.

7th in RBIs
13th in HR
7th in Hits
26th in BA
26th in Slugging
30th in OPS
7th in Runs

Not really even close to top 5 overall numbers.  (These numbers are for all OF in MLB.)

[reinko]

7th in RBIs
13th in HR
7th in Hits
26th in BA
26th in Slugging
30th in OPS
7th in Runs

Not really even close to top 5 overall numbers.  (These numbers are for all OF in MLB.)

I am curious what 5 MLB OF's you would want on your team other than Braun?

For me, it goes Crawford, Hamilton...crickets

I mean if you can argue that you would rather have the Magglio Ordonez's, Angel Pagan's, and Delmon Young's of the world...ugh, good luck in life.

[MUfan12]

7th in RBIs
13th in HR
7th in Hits
26th in BA
26th in Slugging
30th in OPS
7th in Runs

Not really even close to top 5 overall numbers.  (These numbers are for all OF in MLB.)

You're looking at this season only. The first 3 years of his career were historically good. He's struggled this season, no question. But on his body of work so far he's definitely in that realm.

[MU B2002]

Crawford, Hamilton, Either, Holiday, Ichiro, Young, Werth to name a couple.


What's wrong with Delmon young from an offensive perspective... Seems to be ahead of Braun.
2nd in RBIs
26th in HR
7th in Hits
2nd in BA
6th in Slugging
6th in OPS
39th in Runs

[MUBurrow]

off the top of my head, the only OF's i can think of that I would rank ahead of Braun would be
 Matt Kemp
 Carl Crawford
 maaaaybe guys like Matt Holliday or Andre Ethier.  

Projecting ahead, the only guys I see as possibly able to hang with Braun are Jason Heyward and Andrew McCutcheon.

[MU B2002]

You're looking at this season only. The first 3 years of his career were historically good. He's struggled this season, no question. But on his body of work so far he's definitely in that realm.

You are right I did look at just this season, but isn't that what most teams would do?  What have you done for me lately...

[MUBurrow]

Crawford, Hamilton, Either, Holiday, Ichiro, Young, Werth to name a couple.


What's wrong with Delmon young from an offensive perspective... Seems to be ahead of Braun.
2nd in RBIs
26th in HR
7th in Hits
2nd in BA
6th in Slugging
6th in OPS
7th in Runs

If any other GM in baseball agreed with you, there is no way Werth would still be a Phillie.  And this is Delmon Young's first decent season after being so bad he was platooned last year.  

[MU B2002]

You are probably right, I will never be a MLB GM.(as my original list included 2 Dodgers and I figured I was just being a homer.)  I also just wanted another thread to get a decent conversation going... 

[MUBurrow]

haha just the chance to talk a little baseball instead of Crean v. Buzz has me all fired up!  plus its not like Brewers fans don't have a horse in the race.  if Braun is in fact only a top 15 OF, our future is a lot dimmer than we like to think.

[GGGG]

Using wins above replacement, Ryan Braun had the best offensive production out of any outfielder in 2009.  In fact, if he had simply had average defensive statistics, he would have had the fifth best wins-above-replacement in all of baseball regardless of position.  (Outside of pitching)

This year he is 28th offensively.

And he is an ATROCIOUS fielder.  Again, using just fielding wins above replacement, he is the fifth worst outfielder in the league this year behind Quintin, Eithier, Kemp and Carlos Lee.  Last year he was the seventh worst.

[MUBurrow]

i still dont get how Kemp can be such a bad fielder

[reinko]

Using wins above replacement, Ryan Braun had the best offensive production out of any outfielder in 2009.  In fact, if he had simply had average defensive statistics, he would have had the fifth best wins-above-replacement in all of baseball regardless of position.  (Outside of pitching)

This year he is 28th offensively.

And he is an ATROCIOUS fielder.  Again, using just fielding wins above replacement, he is the fifth worst outfielder in the league this year behind Quintin, Eithier, Kemp and Carlos Lee.  Last year he was the seventh worst.

[GGGG]

i still dont get how Kemp can be such a bad fielder

Lack of range?

[MUBurrow]

Lack of range?

I suppose, dude is just so athletic.  It probably reflects my lack of intimate knowledge of how baseball is played, but I don't get how a guy can be a 40 steal candidate and not have at least serviceable range.

[MU B2002]

i still dont get how Kemp can be such a bad fielder

I think it is mental.  It seems he just makes little mental mistakes on the field that veteran CFs do not.  Bad angles, late jumps, turning on the wrong shoulder stuff.  He also makes the same stupid mistakes on the base paths every game.  Two years and I think he will be a all-star.

Unless Rhiannon breaks up with him and he loses his mind.

[wadesworld]

You are right I did look at just this season, but isn't that what most teams would do?  What have you done for me lately...

So you'd rather have Corey Hart than Ryan Braun?  HAH!  Good thing you're not a GM.

[MU B2002]

So you'd rather have Corey Hart than Ryan Braun?  HAH!  Good thing you're not a GM.

Well, he wasn't on the list of guys I said I would take over him so I guess not.