Oso planning to go pro
just an FYI-not saying this incident is at the same level as the missouri protests of 2015, but not many outside of the community are fully aware of the ramifications that episode had on the school. today we are hearing about a fresno state college "professor" spouting off her opinions on the late barbara bush-RIP. these incidents can have a "boil the frog" like consequences that may take longer to re mediate. i do not wish this type of result with my alma mater, however, i do hope MU learns from not only this incident, but others as well. i am somewhat uncomfortable with MU's decision to go outside the traditions of having a jesuit as president. i am even more uncomfortable with what i have seen so far with michael lovell. many here want to minimize this mccadams case, and that may be your hopes that this does just go away, but as this ny times article informs us, "long afterwards... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/university-of-missouri-enrollment-protests-fallout.html
OH NO!!! NOT THE GAYS!!! THEY WILL PROBABALY TRY TO RECRUIT MY POOR LITTLE CHILD TO THEIR SIDE!!!
Why would you send your child who you raised Catholic to a school that will not allow traditional marriage to be discussed in a class room that claims to be Catholic?
You might be conservative, glow, but you are rational. We could use more of that. Tip of the hat.
I disagree with him often, but he always has sensible reasons for his beliefs.
Perhaps that is why applications to MU are down. I went on the MU website and on their diversity page the LGBTQ link is prominently displayed. I also linked to the Fordham site on diversity and no link to the LGBTQ community. I think it is one thing to respect individuals for who they are, but when a "Catholic" University actively supports the LGTBQ community whose values are in direct conflict with traditional Catholic values I as a Catholic will have second thoughts about sending my child there.
There's an interesting minority out there Sultan that has always thought MU ought to be the Catholic Wheaton College.It's funny. I have great respect for Wheaton generally. Our son had given it some modest early consideration and we live very close. Then I read the Pledge and was deeply troubled by some components. Won't enumerate but DEEPLY troubled. We made a decision as a family that it wasn't an option.
A "Catholic Wheaton College" would struggle to actually be Catholic IMO.
Nope. They're down because MU wants them down. And enrollment is up considerably btw. As to the rest of your point, we each are entitled to our opinion. Culturally MU isn't much different than it was 30 years ago except that it's far more 'Naperville' (meaning affluent).
Well it is certainly different when I attended 50 years ago. I can remember Allan Ginsberg reading his very salacious poems at a lecture and the Q&A back and forth on how it challenged conventional attitudes of the day were just exhilarating. Was he or anyone else silenced because it may offend some group on campus? No. Many Jesuits at the time would let us debate how the changes of Vatican II would affect the church and if it ran contrary to current Catholic teaching at the time no one was silenced. No I do not want MU to make every student or faculty member to take an oath to be faithful to Catholic teaching; but from where I am sitting it seems MU requires faculty and students to be faithful to the values of the LGBTQ community or they are called insolent or are fired because they criticized someone with whom they disagree.
Thank you. Nice of you to say.
Interesting. I see it very much the opposite, especially on the former. You do remember Pilarz, yes? The reality is that there may have only been 10 qualified Jesuits to choose from whereas there were hundreds of qualified and 'fully Catholic' lay candidates, Mike among them.Look, I have several MU policy differences with Lovell. I'm certainly not going to enumerate them here on scoop. But I generally think he has a constructive vision for the university here in the 21st century and I especially applaud him for what is a far more aggressive agenda. Honestly, I'd selfishly hate to work for him because I'd be sure to burn out quickly. But from a constituent standpoint, that's great. MU is run more like a business today focused on 'creating shareholder value' than at any point in my memory if that sense.
Y in da world wood MU want applications ta bee down, hey?
My guess is the Office of Admissions would rather use their staff and resources to recruit more qualified candidates, versus what some colleges do, offer up a bunch a fee waivers and try to get every Joe or Jane with a 1.9 GPA to apply, so they can deny them, thus "increasing" their rejection rate, which in turns lowers their acceptance rate, which some idiots think this makes their college more prestigious.
2 of 3 Catholics support gay marriage. (http://www.people-press.org/2017/06/26/support-for-same-sex-marriage-grows-even-among-groups-that-had-been-skeptical/)I'm guessing if you removed Catholics over the age of about 55, that number would be 90%.Only a sliver of parents sending their kids to a "Catholic" college are going to care about its stance on gay issues.
Unfortunately, many of those idiots hire people and whether we like it or not, prestige and acceptance rates do matter to some people. Dismissing it out of hand isn't helpful either, nor is calling them idiots.No one can deny some of the most prestigious schools in the country have very low acceptance rates. I'm not going to argue correlation vs causation, but only pointing out this truism. The highest acceptance rate of an Ivy League school is 14%, most are below 10% as examples. In a brief stint in New York (about 2 years of my career), I couldn't believe how many departments only hired from a list of about 30 schools because they felt the schools already weeded out the average in the selection process from high school. That elitism is one of the reasons I left and headed back to the midwest. Don't discount that it is real and happens with regularity. The more important thing to note is the average acceptance rate of all schools is about 51%. Kids can get great educations at any of these schools, and that counts most for me. On the job front, it doesn't always work out that way when being hired in the first or second job, especially by firms that look at where the degree came from and nothing else.
I'd be curious to know what percentage of those 2-in-3 Catholics attend mass on a weekly basis as opposed to twice a year.
Perhaps that is why applications to MU are down. I went on the MU website and on their diversity page the LGBTQ link is prominently displayed. I also linked to the Fordham site on diversity and no link to the LGBTQ community. I think it is one thing to respect individuals for who they are, but when a "Catholic" University actively supports the LGTBQ community whose values are in direct conflict with traditional Catholic values I as a Catholic will have second thoughts about sending my child there.I love MU, but it pains me that this is where we are.