Merrimack Warriors beat Northwestern in hoops tonight

[Cheeks]

Woof

[Mr. Nielsen]

Unreal.

[cheebs09]

The Collins shine might be wearing off a bit.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Merrimac just moved to D1 this season. Guess they were ready

[Dr. Blackheart]

The B1G may be brutal this year.

[MU82]

Very kind of the basketball team, not wanting the football team to be lonely in its misery.

The good news is that relatively few Chicago sports fans care about Northwestern football, and even fewer care about Northwestern basketball.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Merrimac just moved to D1 this season. Guess they were ready

They weren't ready when they lost by 20 to Maine 48 hours earlier.

[Cheeks]

Quote by one of their fans.....”Collins has returned us to the Kevin O’Neill era”.

It’s early, they are young...hopefully they gel as a team.  Nice win for the Warriors of Merrimack...yes, that is their nickname

[lawdog77]

Quote by one of their fans.....”Collins has returned us to the Kevin O’Neill era”.

It’s early, they are young...hopefully they gel as a team.  Nice win for the Warriors of Merrimack...yes, that is their nickname

I am much more partial to the Monitor. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[forgetful]

They weren't ready when they lost by 20 to Maine 48 hours earlier.

The game against Maine was clearly a classic trap game.

[GooooMarquette]

I find it interesting that Chicago has been a HS hoops hotbed since forever, and yet the Chicago teams in both the B14 and the BE are typically at the bottom of their conferences.

And I'm not buying the academic thing for NU. Duke does fine in the ACC, Stanford is typically competitive in the Pac 12, and Vandy has had a number of good teams in the SEC. The latter two rarely win their conferences, but they are not perennial hoops bottom dwellers. And yet the Chicago teams founder....

[Jockey]

I find it interesting that Chicago has been a HS hoops hotbed since forever, and yet the Chicago teams in both the B14 and the BE are typically at the bottom of their conferences.

And I'm not buying the academic thing for NU. Duke does fine in the ACC, Stanford is typically competitive in the Pac 12, and Vandy has had a number of good teams in the SEC. The latter two rarely win their conferences, but they are not perennial hoops bottom dwellers. And yet the Chicago teams founder....

It's Illinois.

Bears, Blackhawks, Bulls, Northwestern, etc.

[JWags85]

It's Illinois.

Bears, Blackhawks, Bulls, Northwestern, etc.

Listing the Blackhawks with 3 cups in the last decade, and the Bulls who are probably the 3rd most successful NBA franchise and who have been rough but were the second best team in the East just 5ish years ago isn’t a great argument for trying to imply it’s a city with a culture of failure

[dinger]

I am much more partial to the Monitor. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.

Ironclad proof that northwestern isn't good

[Uncle Rico]

I find it interesting that Chicago has been a HS hoops hotbed since forever, and yet the Chicago teams in both the B14 and the BE are typically at the bottom of their conferences.

And I'm not buying the academic thing for NU. Duke does fine in the ACC, Stanford is typically competitive in the Pac 12, and Vandy has had a number of good teams in the SEC. The latter two rarely win their conferences, but they are not perennial hoops bottom dwellers. And yet the Chicago teams founder....

Years of kids going elsewhere and spreading their roots.  There isn’t much loyalty to Chicago and the guys that left are more likely to bring kids to their new home.  Couple that with AAU and travel teams, it’s not the same world

[forgetful]

Years of kids going elsewhere and spreading their roots.  There isn’t much loyalty to Chicago and the guys that left are more likely to bring kids to their new home.  Couple that with AAU and travel teams, it’s not the same world

This, and a lot of these kids just want to get out of Chicago.

[Cheeks]

I find it interesting that Chicago has been a HS hoops hotbed since forever, and yet the Chicago teams in both the B14 and the BE are typically at the bottom of their conferences.

And I'm not buying the academic thing for NU. Duke does fine in the ACC, Stanford is typically competitive in the Pac 12, and Vandy has had a number of good teams in the SEC. The latter two rarely win their conferences, but they are not perennial hoops bottom dwellers. And yet the Chicago teams founder....

I’d add that most of those hotbed recruits couldn’t survive academically at Northwestern.

[Uncle Rico]

I’d add that most of those hotbed recruits couldn’t survive academically at Northwestern.

Maybe.  Plenty of kids from Illinois have gotten into Duke

[MU82]

Maybe.  Plenty of kids from Illinois have gotten into Duke

Yep. And Stanford. And, of course, Wisconsin and Michigan, the Harvard and the Harvard-1A of the Midwest.

[Cheeks]

Maybe.  Plenty of kids from Illinois have gotten into Duke

The elite players can get in anywhere, because that’s how it works.  They will largely go to the bluebloods or where Penny and others are writing goodwill checks.  It is the next level kids, 3 and 4 star backbone of program type kids that not all schools are as willing to just grant passage. 

There are exceptions like Stanford and a few others that have high academics and excel, of course.  The CPL isn’t exactly known for educational prowess which also hasn’t helped.

[Herman Cain]

Pat Spencer , who won the Tewaaraton Award in lacrosse at Loyola Maryland ( lacrosse equivalent of Heisman), is starting for Northwestern as a grad transfer senior. The kid is obviously an elite level athlete, however, it says something about NU basketball recruiting or lack thereof. 

[rocket surgeon]

This, and a lot of these kids just want to get out of Chicago.

not only do they want to get out of chicago, but others don't want to go there either.  including elite coaches evidently

[Cheeks]

not only do they want to get out of chicago, but others don't want to go there either.  including elite coaches evidently

The exodus from Chicago and the state is not limited to athletes...

[JWags85]

Pat Spencer , who won the Tewaaraton Award in lacrosse at Loyola Maryland ( lacrosse equivalent of Heisman), is starting for Northwestern as a grad transfer senior. The kid is obviously an elite level athlete, however, it says something about NU basketball recruiting or lack thereof.

1000%. People keep talking about Greg Paulus and Chris Hogan. Paulus was a top rated QB recruit and could have played at Miami or ND. Hogan dropped down to a mediocre FCS program to play football for a year.

Pat Spencer was second team All Metro Baltimore his senior year. I looked up the 1st team for fun. Recruits to Siena, Bucknell, Slippery Rock, and Drew Edwards who has been wallpaper at Providence. So Spencer was likely a D2-level recruit at best in BB. So now after playing a different sport for 4 years, he’s B10 worthy? And not only is he playing, he’s starting? Pretty damning indictment of the talent at NW to be sure. Brutal
 

[rocket surgeon]

The exodus from Chicago and the state is not limited to athletes...

that's what the "cost of living(or dying)" will do to ya, eyn'a?

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

The elite players can get in anywhere, because that’s how it works.  They will largely go to the blueblood last or where Penny and others are writing goodwill checks.  It is the next level kids, 3 and 4 star backbone of program type kids that not all schools are not always as willing to just grant passage. 

There are exceptions like Stanford and a few others.  The CPL isn’t exactly known for educational prowess which also hasn’t helped.

As Charles Barkley said when asked how he got into college “I averaged 20 points and 20 rebounds, I was gonna get into college. Someone can find a place for me.”

[Jockey]

Listing the Blackhawks with 3 cups in the last decade, and the Bulls who are probably the 3rd most successful NBA franchise and who have been rough but were the second best team in the East just 5ish years ago isn’t a great argument for trying to imply it’s a city with a culture of failure

Not in the last 20 years. Blackhawks also fell of of a cliff.

I do realize how lucky we are in Wisconsin. Packers, Brewers, Bucks, Warriors, UW football.

[Billy Hoyle]

Not in the last 20 years. Blackhawks also fell of of a cliff.

I do realize how lucky we are in Wisconsin. Packers, Brewers, Bucks, Warriors, UW football.

In the last 20 years only one of those teams has a championship (Packers). The next closest is Bucky hoops losing to Duke in the finals. What’s so lucky about that?

[buckchuckler]

Not in the last 20 years. Blackhawks also fell of of a cliff.

I do realize how lucky we are in Wisconsin. Packers, Brewers, Bucks, Warriors, UW football.

Calling out the Bulls and Hawks and praising those teams seems like an odd take.  Since 1990 the Chicago teams have won a combined 11 championships.  It isn't what Boston has done, but it's pretty darn strong. 

And I NW sports are barely part of the consciousness of the Chicago sports fan.   College sports in general aren't big in Illinois (in terms of loyalty to the state schools anyway).  There isn't the bond with the state teams that places like Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Iowa have.  I would say the only college sports team that has a large following in Illinois (and Chicago area) is ND football.  They suck.  I know.

[rocket surgeon]

Calling out the Bulls and Hawks and praising those teams seems like an odd take.  Since 1990 the Chicago teams have won a combined 11 championships.  It isn't what Boston has done, but it's pretty darn strong. 

And I NW sports are barely part of the consciousness of the Chicago sports fan.   College sports in general aren't big in Illinois (in terms of loyalty to the state schools anyway).  There isn't the bond with the state teams that places like Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Iowa have.  I would say the only college sports team that has a large following in Illinois (and Chicago area) is ND football.  They suck.  I know.

illinois does have a pretty large following but that has been quite subdued since they haven't had anything substantial for quite a while.  with the exception of their golf team(thank you steve stricker) and beating wisconsin a couple of weeks ago.  otherwise, illini alumni and fans have better things to do until their school makes it worth their while

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

If the state hadn't used their land grant money to put the school in the middle of nowhere, it might be different.  If it was located in Joliet or something similar, I think it would be more front of mind to the people of Chicago.

[rocket surgeon]

If the state hadn't used their land grant money to put the school in the middle of nowhere, it might be different.  If it was located in Joliet or something similar, I think it would be more front of mind to the people of Chicago.

well we see how that hot bed of chicago(joliet is about 50 miles) is recruiting and/or keeping their elite talent close to home.  bottom line-ya gotta produce.  the fans are there, but have better things to do with their time besides getting stuck in traffic

[Jockey]

In the last 20 years only one of those teams has a championship (Packers). The next closest is Bucky hoops losing to Duke in the finals. What’s so lucky about that?

I was not delving into the history of any league or team. I was talking current times. Go ahead and live off the ‘85 Bears for 30 more years. Tell yourselves that a team with Jim McMahon at QB that had had a one year championship run was one of the greatest teams ever.

We have contenders everywhere. Illinois has .... the Cubs, I guess. One decent underperforming team.

[Cheeks]

I was not delving into the history of any league or team. I was talking current times. Go ahead and live off the ‘85 Bears for 30 more years. Tell yourselves that a team with Jim McMahon at QB that had had a one year championship run was one of the greatest teams ever.

We have contenders everywhere. Illinois has .... the Cubs, I guess. One decent underperforming team.

Who is the WE?  Baltimore?  Toronto?   Say hello to the Mrs...hope she is reading...hello Mrs Brandx

[#UnleashSean]

Not in the last 20 years. Blackhawks also fell of of a cliff.

I do realize how lucky we are in Wisconsin. Packers, Brewers, Bucks, Warriors, UW football.

? Only one of those teams has had a continuing amount of success

[Jockey]

? Only one of those teams has had a continuing amount of success

One more time.

I SPECIFICALLY pointed out that I am referring to a current point in time. NOT a "continuing amount of success".

I don't know how else to phrase it to get you people to understand what I am saying.

[Billy Hoyle]

I was not delving into the history of any league or team. I was talking current times. Go ahead and live off the ‘85 Bears for 30 more years. Tell yourselves that a team with Jim McMahon at QB that had had a one year championship run was one of the greatest teams ever.

We have contenders everywhere. Illinois has .... the Cubs, I guess. One decent underperforming team.

I’m not a fan of any Chicago team. No ties to that city. However, at least they’ve win titles within the last five years. Meanwhile, the Packers have wasted two of the best QB’s in history with only 2 titles in 27 years.  And you’ve got “the Brewers lost to the eventual World Series champs in the wild card.” They won as much as the team we don’t have in my city won: nothing.

[UWW2MU]

I am much more partial to the Monitor. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.

You could've ended it with the first sentence, but you went all in with the second.  I like it.  Respect.

[Jockey]

I’m not a fan of any Chicago team. No ties to that city. However, at least they’ve win titles within the last five years. Meanwhile, the Packers have wasted two of the best QB’s in history with only 2 titles in 27 years.  And you’ve got “the Brewers lost to the eventual World Series champs in the wild card.” They won as much as the team we don’t have in my city won: nothing.

27 years?

I guess reading comprehension is not one of your strengths.

[Galway Eagle]

One more time.

I SPECIFICALLY pointed out that I am referring to a current point in time. NOT a "continuing amount of success".

I don't know how else to phrase it to get you people to understand what I am saying.

What is this "current period" the seasons that ended in 19? where brewers flopped in the wild card, bucks choked their biggest playoff run since ray Allen was young, and packers were awful? Or the seasons ending in 20 that haven't finished yet?

If you leave something as subjective as "Current period" then PF course you always win this argument. Is it a better time to be a MKE/WI fan than Chicago? Yes. But anybody over the age of 18 would probably say it's generally been better to be a Chicago fan.

[Jockey]

What is this "current period" the seasons that ended in 19? where brewers flopped in the wild card, bucks choked their biggest playoff run since ray Allen was young, and packers were awful? Or the seasons ending in 20 that haven't finished yet?

If you leave something as subjective as "Current period" then PF course you always win this argument. Is it a better time to be a MKE/WI fan than Chicago? Yes. But anybody over the age of 18 would probably say it's generally been better to be a Chicago fan.

You captured the essence of what I meant when you said "Is it a better time to be a MKE/WI fan than Chicago? Yes."

THAT WAS MY POINT.

You asked what is this current period. Maybe it's my fault for not saying it right. The "current period" is NOW. Right now, on November 11, I have reasonable high expectations for the Packers, Bucks, Brewers, MU, and UW football that all can/will be playoff caliber teams.

People in Illinois (which is what I was comparing it to) have a reasonable expectation of success (from today's vantage point) of whom? Just the Cubs and most fans that I hear on sports radio are even down on them. Does anyone think the Bulls, Blackhawks, White Sox, Northwestern, U of Illinois have any chance of immediate success?

So, one last time. I am not talking about a championship from 34 years ago or 20 years ago or 3 years ago. I am talking about looking forward from TODAY.

[Galway Eagle]

You captured the essence of what I meant when you said "Is it a better time to be a MKE/WI fan than Chicago? Yes."

THAT WAS MY POINT.

You asked what is this current period. Maybe it's my fault for not saying it right. The "current period" is NOW. Right now, on November 11, I have reasonable high expectations for the Packers, Bucks, Brewers, MU, and UW football that all can/will be playoff caliber teams.

People in Illinois (which is what I was comparing it to) have a reasonable expectation of success (from today's vantage point) of whom? Just the Cubs and most fans that I hear on sports radio are even down on them. Does anyone think the Bulls, Blackhawks, White Sox, Northwestern, U of Illinois have any chance of immediate success?

So, one last time. I am not talking about a championship from 34 years ago or 20 years ago or 3 years ago. I am talking about looking forward from TODAY.

Wolves are considerably better than the admirals. First in division last year lost in the finals so there's that.

Also I'd say the Sox are more likely to be trending up the next few years than the cubs. But yes it was not said right and that's why so many people started hollering.

I would never count the Hawks out though, Kane and Toews still have a few good years left and the other massive contracts are still able to be unloaded. If the penguins can rebuild around Crosby to get him another cup the Hawks can do the same.

[Jockey]

Wolves are considerably better than the admirals. First in division last year lost in the finals so there's that.

Also I'd say the Sox are more likely to be trending up the next few years than the cubs. But yes it was not said right and that's why so many people started hollering.

I would never count the Hawks out though, Kane and Toews still have a few good years left and the other massive contracts are still able to be unloaded. If the penguins can rebuild around Crosby to get him another cup the Hawks can do the same.

Thanks, Galway.

[Coleman]

Not in the last 20 years. Blackhawks also fell of of a cliff.

I do realize how lucky we are in Wisconsin. Packers, Brewers, Bucks, Warriors, UW football.

I'm a Packer fan who grew up in Wisconsin, living in Chicago, who also cheers for the Blackhawks.

This kinda homer stuff just makes me laugh. Chicago and Wisconsin are completely different sports environments. In some ways Wisconsin is better, in many ways Chicago is better.

Chicago has way more options....MLS, 2 MLB teams, NHL (with 6 stanley cups), NFL, NBA (6 championships), etc. It has one of the two most iconic ballparks and gameday experiences in baseball, the other being fenway (I am not a Cubs fan btw). And this team won a World Series in 2016. Couple that with the fact that Chicago is a Big 10 alumni's wet dream with all of the college sports bars throughout the city. The local college team (NW) sucks, but it is a great place to be a young Big 10 alumni.

Wisconsin has the Packers. Which is a historic and great franchise with an equally impressive gameday experience. It has the Bucks who have been good lately but languished for years. And it has the Brewers who have won 1 pennant in 40 years. UW Football is an above average Big 10 program. Chicago is just as close to Notre Dame as most Wisconsinites are to Madison. As much as I loathe ND, it is definitely a Chicago home team with lots of tradition and success.

I guess my point is, no one is really "luckier" than the other. Both are decent sports markets but are completely different. Fans of either side who think they are better than the other are equally delusional.

[PorkysButthole]

Surprised no mention has been made of Northwestern’s W over Providence last night.

[MU82]

Surprised no mention has been made of Northwestern’s W over Providence last night.

It was mentioned in the BEast thread in the Al.