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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: real chili 83 on November 14, 2017, 07:16:45 PM
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Time to pound some Boilermakers!!!!
ARRRRRRHH!
Heldt for SOTG.
GO WARRIORS!!!!
Go Dunks. Nice golf cart.
Need some Sonoran Salsa!!!
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This crapty Nova game gonna go late too.
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I've decided Tavern 57 is the appropriate venue for Chicago watching party. There are couches.
Let's do this.
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Are these games supposed to start "on time"? I recall a standard 15 minute delay last year.
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Are these games supposed to start "on time"? I recall a standard 15 minute delay last year.
Correct
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FS 1 just scrolled tip off at 7:45
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FS 1 just scrolled tip off at 7:45
Do $2 beers get extended too?
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Will have to watch this on my phone
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Will have to watch this on my phone
A fast paced game so far.
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Cheatam just dumb
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Haase looks twice as big as Heldt
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Nice move Theo
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Chat room is up
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Has a freshman ever not been called for a foul when setting a screen at the top of the key?
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Nojel Eastern with the turnover the first time he touched the ball, no surprise there 8-)
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Ugly game.
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Gotta figure out how to score in the lane against these 7 footers. Might need to bust out the floaters.
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Heldt is really killing our offense. He's not a threat as a pick and pop or as a roll man. All he can do is catch a wide open dump off (maybe). He needs to either take and make 12-15 footers, or find a nice spot on the bench. Purdue doubles every screen.
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If that's the calls Haas is gonna be getting...
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Somebody teach Heldt the flop during his next time on the bench
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Zone now
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Somebody teach Heldt the flop during his next time on the bench
You were saying?
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Pending a replay that looked more like a karate chop
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I'm pleased we have been making some stops....
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Haas is basically an extra large Luke Fischer.
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As I figured most here overrated Purdue.
Just not sure we can score over their big uncoordinated fu ckers
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Never teach the flop
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Haanif should probably stop driving right into traffic
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The defensive effort is there. Hard to complain. Purdue's size is disrupting MU's offense. No clean looks. Ah, well. As long as MU keeps working on defense.
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Did the scouting report to Cheatum mention there is always a 7 footer on the court every time he drives?
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Block party
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Heldt playing like a clown
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HC is exactly the same player.
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I like Haanif's effort so far. Size matters. Length matters. Going to get a look at small ball now. Not optimistic.
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Better stop the bleeding soon or this could get away in a hurry.
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I like Haanif's effort so far.
I personally never questioned his effort.
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We can’t compete with this size. Our only shot is to trade 3’s for their 2’s. Ugly D on that Edwards drive
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I know we wanted Markus to take more shots this year, but his shot selection is leaving a lot to be desired.
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Hey Wojo...theres this thing called zone defense..ever heard of it? You cannot guard them man to man..CHANGE IT THE F up!
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Zone doesn't tend to do that well against a good 3 point shooting team like Purdue.
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Purdue is longer and thicker at every position. There are no open shots. MU's only hope is to make it rain. MU's defense looks worlds better than last year. Not enough so far.
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This is ugly.
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I like the energy that Elliot is bringing.
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I like the energy that Elliot is bringing.
Yup. So far so good.
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MU can't compete going against quality centers like this, when the only thing your starter (Heldt) does is set picks at foul line and your backup (John) commits a foul a minute. Watch Heldt on offense when he returns, thats all he does and no one throws a pass to him.
Plus shooting like 20% doesn't help either. Maybe some threes start going in, keep it close till half and then more threes in second.
Hey, nice run now as Hauser playing center. Nice......
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I’m liking GE
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All of this kvetching, all of the bad shooting, all of the physical dominance by Purdue and their size and here we are. 2 pt game at the half. Defensive intensity is world's ahead of last year. Hauser rocks.
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Uhhh that was a goaltend
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Students look like they are into the game.
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All of this kvetching, all of the bad shooting, all of the physical dominance by Purdue and their size and here we are. 2 pt game at the half. Defensive intensity is world's ahead of last year. Hauser rocks.
Defense seems fine. Nice to see against a decent opponent too
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Night and freaking day difference on D. Way more discipline and energy
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Was about to say, I thought the defense was pretty decent. People are never satisfied.
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Rowsey smh
Purdue isn't very good. Unfavorable match up for us so we probably lose without consistent offense. More experienced Theo and Frolling would help.
But not worried about them in the BIG10 as a side gopher supporter.
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We got this
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Sam at the 5 helped turn the game
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I am looking forward to seeing Froling mixed in with this bunch.
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Theo’s 3rd hurts. He’s a player for sure. No fear as a freshman.
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Sam at the 5 helped turn the game
I don't know that Sam would have been as effective against Haas as he was against Haarms. Haas would have just backed down, turned and shot over Sam just as easily as he did over Matt. Goaltend on that last play.
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Hey Wojo...theres this thing called zone defense..ever heard of it? You cannot guard them man to man..CHANGE IT THE F up!
Umm what game u watching? Best defense MU has played in 4 years right there!!
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Nice defensive effort, especially given the inability to score until the final 3 minutes. Plan may be to up the pressure to spark the offense, which might also help stop the points they were getting by just shooting over our guys inside.
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I don't know that Sam would have been as effective against Haas as he was against Haarms. Haas would have just backed down, turned and shot over Sam just as easily as he did over Matt. Goaltend on that last play.
Theo with 3 PF, Heldt with 2 and ineffective defense--we may find out in the 2H if Sam can defend Haas
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Cheatham had three shots blocked on drives, all left handed. Just like last year in BE games. If keeps it up, more Sacar and Elliott.
Theo is a big guy, but lets hope he can stay on the floor, he will be needed.
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Additionally we should hit heldt at least a couple times on his rolls. He is pretty adept ar finishing on the roll. Key tonthe first half was we went at Haas 2 times nnhe fouled both times. Hit heldt a few times on the roll and go at Haas. Offensively haas is absolutely huge and can finish need to tey to front him n apply ball pressure to deny the penetration pass. Best way to stop a post presence is heavy ball pressure
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Is Joey there? Can we get him a uniform?
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Additionally we should hit heldt at least a couple times on his rolls. He is pretty adept ar finishing on the roll. Key tonthe first half was we went at Haas 2 times nnhe fouled both times. Hit heldt a few times on the roll and go at Haas. Offensively haas is absolutely huge and can finish need to tey to front him n apply ball pressure to deny the penetration pass. Best way to stop a post presence is heavy ball pressure
Make Haas move his feet and he sucks.
That little bump he has on Markus for his first foul amateur.
Gotta make him move and get him out of game
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Didn't see the St. Mary's game. Theo looks like he will be a beast when he gets a little more experience. GE looks like he will be fun to watch about 30 pounds from now. I worry about Hannif. Warriors shoot a little better in the second half and I like our chances. Stating the obvious but MU could use Frolling, soon right..... Go Warriors.
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Is Joey there? Can we get him a uniform?
Henry is here, so that may be an option.
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I do not understand the Haanif criticism. The offense is bogging down, he takes it aggressively to the rim and gets swatted by a 7'3 guy and some see this as proof that he hasn't gotten better ?!?! 7'3! I want Haanif taking that opportunity every damned time! They aren't all going to be 7'2 and 7'3.
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Henry is here, so that may be an option.
How about Wally?
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Is Joey there? Can we get him a uniform?
did he grow 7” recently?
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We gotta start fronting Haas. Stopping his touches is the only way we can defend him right now.
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Offense is brutal with Heldt and Haani on floor.
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Our D is best in a while. We just need to keep getting their bigs to foul. We got this!
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Offense is brutal with Heldt and Haani on floor.
Haani is fine. I think spreading the floor and going small is going to have to be the plan. Heldt is uselsss out there tonight.
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I do not understand the Haanif criticism. The offense is bogging down, he takes it aggressively to the rim and gets swatted by a 7'3 guy and some see this as proof that he hasn't gotten better ?!?! 7'3! I want Haanif taking that opportunity every damned time! They aren't all going to be 7'2 and 7'3.
I hope you are right, I really do but so far it just reminds me too much of last year. Really only one half of ball so small sample size, but I do worry.
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Our D is best in a while. We just need to keep getting their bigs to foul. We got this!
Agreed, brother.
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Heldt getting absolutely dominated by Haas every time he touches ball. Not sure why we aren't doubling on him, or at least fronting him.
Too much dribbling on offense.
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Wojo is the least creative coach I have ever seen. Is he a moron? It was obvious in the 1st half Heldt couldnt guard Haas 1 on 1..so his halftime adjustment is....wait for it..to do EXACTLY the same thing. Brilliant freaking coaching right there Wojo.
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Haani is fine. I think spreading the floor and going small is going to have to be the plan. Heldt is uselsss out there tonight.
HC may be fine but sacar and Elliott have been better options IMO
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Wojo is the least creative coach I have ever seen. Is he a moron? It was obvious in the 1st half Heldt couldnt guard Haas 1 on 1..so his halftime adjustment is....wait for it..to do EXACTLY the same thing. Brilliant freaking coaching right there Wojo.
Kind of like you bitching and moaning every post?
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Heldt looks like a child compared to Haas. You've got to up the pressure or go to the zone.
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It looks like Heldt has found a time machine and returned to his freshman year while on defense against Haas
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HC may be fine but sacar and Elliott have been better options IMO
Maybe. Both are better with limited stretches.
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Wojo is the least creative coach I have ever seen. Is he a moron? It was obvious in the 1st half Heldt couldnt guard Haas 1 on 1..so his halftime adjustment is....wait for it..to do EXACTLY the same thing. Brilliant freaking coaching right there Wojo.
Let me guess, he’s still light years better than Fish. Geez....
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Yeah I think Wojo has been fine. Yes Heldt is overmatched but you can't go small for 40 minutes.
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I like our team a lot. Purdue is a quality team and we are hanging in there.
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Kind of like you bitching and moaning every post?
Well...answer me this Sultan..even YOU would have went to a zone or done something different right? Its really not rocket science is it?
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I do not understand the Haanif criticism. The offense is bogging down, he takes it aggressively to the rim and gets swatted by a 7'3 guy and some see this as proof that he hasn't gotten better ?!?! 7'3! I want Haanif taking that opportunity every damned time! They aren't all going to be 7'2 and 7'3.
My problem was more his drive early with 2 defenders in front of him and 1 trailing.
A TO turned into a bad shot and easy bucket for them
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Yeah I think Wojo has been fine. Yes Heldt is overmatched but you can't go small for 40 minutes.
Exactly.
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Zone won't solve the problem. Doubling is the only hope. Heldt is a waste, might as well play someone who won't bring the offense down. He'll be much more playable against non-aliens.
Sacar looks OK, but it was clear on his 3 that he doesn't have confidence in that range. Elliot and HC need all the minutes there.
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Heldt is overmatched. It won't be the last time. Thankfully, there aren't that many 7'2 widebodies out there to make Matt look puny. Froling will be an extra 5 fouls on defense.
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Well...answer me this Sultan..even YOU would have went to a zone or done something different right? Its really not rocket science is it?
Zone? Not a chance. That would slow us down. I would go small for stretches. Just like he has done.
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#thething!
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There it is, The Rowsey
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Eastern got Rowsey'd
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Sam has stopped Haas the first two times now
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Hauser has played decent defense against Haas
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Nice to see Haanif throw Haas to the floor.
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Can't have Hauser picking up cheapies at this point.
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How did Rowsey think that drive would end?
Leading to a Purdue run now
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Can't have Hauser picking up cheapies at this point.
That one hurts
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Edwards is eating Hauser up now.
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Neutralized Hauser by forcing the switch to Edwards.
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Double team leads to 3. See it’s just hard to guard a well balanced offense.
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Double the post.... oooooh, first made 3 for Purdue. Must be a coincidence.
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That Rowsey drive has derailed it all.
Gonna need another 9-0 run
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Give up on the double. Go back to man on the perimeter
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Another double team, another 3 pt play. Hmmmmmmm. I sense causality.
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Dumb. Stop the double
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3 double teams. 9 points. Play straight up.
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Please put Same back at the 5
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I’m a bad MU fan. I just contemplated if it would be better for Heldt to foul out
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Bardo and his Big Whatever bias is pissing me off a little.
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Bardo and his Big Whatever bias is pissing me off a little.
??? He’s been plenty complementary of the BE.
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Rowsey is a rally killer tonight. Play within yourself.
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Nuttin but 3s the rest of the way
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Always been a Wojo supporter but this one is on him if they continue to double.
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When is froling available
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This Howard kid isn’t bad
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I’m a bad MU fan. I just contemplated if it would be better for Heldt to foul out
It's all good. I thought the same of Jamil Wilson and Fischer.
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Purdue either scores or they get fouled, like last seven possessions. Gonna be tough to catch up.
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Purdue shooting 58%? Really?
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Always been a Wojo supporter but this one is on him if they continue to double.
Lol. People bitch when they play straight up. People bitch when he changes.
How about this. Purdue is better, bigger and more experienced. It was always going to be an uphill battle.
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I hope the guys coming later this year and next year are as good as I am picturing them playing in this game right now.
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Always been a Wojo supporter but this one is on him if they continue to double.
+1000 he let Heldt guard him one on one too long, now he's doubled to long...would it really hurt them any worse to TRY a possession or two of zone and how about some full court pressure? Speed them up..they love playing slow. They cant play fast with their two bigs.
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Lol. People bitch when they play straight up. People bitch when he changes.
How about this. Purdue is better, bigger and more experienced. It was always going to be an uphill battle.
Had no issue playing straight up. Haas was shooting well but I'd much rather take my chances there than give up wide open 3s.
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+1000 he let Heldt guard him one on one too long, now he's doubled to long...would it really hurt them any worse to TRY a possession or two of zone and how about some full court pressure? Speed them up..they love playing slow. They cant play fast with their two bigs.
Someone doesn't understand how our offense works
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Had no issue playing straight up. Haas was shooting well but I'd much rather take my chances there than give up wide open 3s.
I agree. I was just saying that other people are complaining about them not trying something different.
The biggest problem is that the interior defense sucks against good bigs like this.
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Correction 59%.
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That's one big, skilled dude.
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Rowsey is a rally killer tonight. Play within yourself.
Need someone else to be able to handle the ball, make plays. Howard is a scorer, hasn't been a primary ball handler or distributor. Cheatham is a non-factor. Missing JJJ - could take the ball and drive, and excellent passer for a wing.
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Theo definitely said something to Haas there.
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Check the book. I think a travel counts as a foul
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Rowsey gonna be chucking!
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Need someone else to be able to handle the ball, make plays. Howard is a scorer, hasn't been a primary ball handler or distributor. Cheatham is a non-factor. Missing JJJ - could take the ball and drive, and excellent passer for a wing.
Yeah I didn’t think this was going to be as big of an issue as it’s turned out to be.
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Going to have to. Who else is going to create a shot right now. Whole team is gassed.
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Give me an F’NG BREAK. I rush back from the meeting, tune into the rest of the game (knew the score was close, didn’t want to start from the beginning), look up the game thread and it is F’NG UNREADABLE because all of you so-called fans have decided to sit in your armchairs on your keyboards trashing some fine 18-22-year-old because they do not meet your definition of basketball perfection. Why do you even watch the games if they make you so miserable?
This serves as a great reminder to me to stay out of the game thread from now on. Maybe I can convince the mods to give me the double secret password for the site where actual fans post.
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Give me an F’NG BREAK. I rush back from the meeting, tune into the rest of the game (knew the score was close, didn’t want to start from the beginning), look up the game thread and it is F’NG UNREADABLE because all of you so-called fans have decided to sit in your armchairs on your keyboards trashing some fine 18-22-year-old because they do not meet your definition of basketball perfection. Why do you even watch the games if they make you so miserable?
This serves as a great reminder to me to stay out of the game thread from now on. Maybe I can convince the mods to give me the double secret password for the site where actual fans post.
Calm down mom. Not many are trashing players.
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I think I've detected where Purdue has the edge in this game...
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Calm down mom. Not many are trashing players.
I agree.
Though I can't say I'm surprised the same names are trying to trash wojo
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Does Hauser have a double double yet?
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The defensive rotations in the 2nd half were brutal. Super slow, little to no communication.
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54 second half points
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Just saying howeland was available
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Tired, foul trouble.
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54 second half points
I don't want to know what Purdue's eFG was in the 2nd half. It had to be beyond terrible.
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I don't want to know what Purdue's eFG was in the 2nd half. It had to be beyond terrible.
Probably as bad as that double team
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We fronted Haas the entire first half. We were only down 2 at half despite our offense being atrocious. We shot what? 31% in the first half? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Doubling Haas was disastrous. Going to zone would have been worse. Fronting with Hauser seemed to have decent success. If we had the offense going in the first half, we would have had a double digit halftime lead.
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Zone against an elite 3 point shooting team with our lack of length? They would have killed us. Our man to man and allowing just 2 pointers is what kept us close. Having to double in second half killed us, think Wojo did it trying to prevent Heldt and Theo fron fouling out. Did not get it to work. Heldt is who he is, backup center, that is why Wojo got Theo, Morrow and Froling. Howard has to be smarter than fouling out the way he did too much of a valuable weapon to go out like that. Sam had to expended too much energy on D. Wojo was not bad, he switched defenses, did a goid job subbing and we had some really good open looks that didn’t fall in first half.
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We fronted Haas the entire first half. We were only down 2 at half despite our offense being atrocious. We shot what? 31% in the first half? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Doubling Haas was disastrous. Going to zone would have been worse. Fronting with Hauser seemed to have decent success. If we had the offense going in the first half, we would have had a double digit halftime lead.
TAMU I agree but I think Wojo went double team to try to avoid Theo and Heldt from fouling out
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TAMU I agree but I think Wojo went double team to try to avoid Theo and Heldt from fouling out
From the years of watching wojo he's had tons of success not having his big men foul out......
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54 second half points
And what seemed like an embarrassingly high efg% for the Boilers in Half #2. Very reminiscent of last year.
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From the years of watching wojo he's had tons of success not having his big men foul out......
Those bigs are who they are. I expect Theo to learn not to foul at the rate he does. Heldt is basically out matched with decent centers. That is why Wojo recruited who he did if you read my post. But I guess you just want to be like Dodds...............
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Give me an F’NG BREAK. I rush back from the meeting, tune into the rest of the game (knew the score was close, didn’t want to start from the beginning), look up the game thread and it is F’NG UNREADABLE because all of you so-called fans have decided to sit in your armchairs on your keyboards trashing some fine 18-22-year-old because they do not meet your definition of basketball perfection. Why do you even watch the games if they make you so miserable?
This serves as a great reminder to me to stay out of the game thread from now on. Maybe I can convince the mods to give me the double secret password for the site where actual fans post.
I think your bra is on too tight!!
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Thought we did ok. The whole double team or not was an issue. For those calling gor tge double now see what a well balanced team of seniors fo to a double team. Yet haas is a great big man. Thats why good teams have bslance.
Thought our defense was good. Purdue just bigger and mote experienced, they start 4 seniors from a S16 team.
Hauser needs to step up his aggressiveness on offense, it cant just be rowsey n howard.
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Thought we did ok. The whole double team or not was an issue. For those calling gor tge double now see what a well balanced team of seniors fo to a double team. Yet haas is a great big man. Thats why good teams have bslance.
Thought our defense was good. Purdue just bigger and mote experienced, they start 4 seniors from a S16 team.
Hauser needs to step up his aggressiveness on offense, it cant just be rowsey n howard.
Agree 100%. I thought we played well against a really good team who will most likely win the Big Ten. It was a humbling but learning experience for our young players.
The key word is "young." We are very talented and will get better as the season progresses. We will win 20+ games this year, but, will sustain a few bumps and bruises along the way.
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Paint Touches tweeted that we allowed points on 13 straight possessions over a 7 minute span. If that's the benchmark for improved defense, yikes.
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Paint Touches tweeted that we allowed points on 13 straight possessions over a 7 minute span. If that's the benchmark for improved defense, yikes.
Tale of two halves. Defense was improved in the first half. Offense was like last year's in 2nd. Shows our potential on both sides. Put it all together for an entire game and we win last night.
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Tale of two halves. Defense was improved in the first half. Offense was like last year's in 2nd. Shows our potential on both sides. Put it all together for an entire game and we win last night.
Color me unconvinced. Purdue's 8 turnovers and the 2 blocks (Elliott, Rowsey) that looked more like steals were the only reason we were close.
If I'm calculating correctly, Purdue shot 51.7 eFG% yesterday in the first half. There's not much correlation between turnovers and defensive efficiency, so while it worked for us yesterday in the first, I'm not at all convinced that will be a sustainable plan in the long term.
Now 51.7 is better than the 52.2 we allowed for the season last year (still below average), but not by much. And obviously, the 70.4 we allowed in the second was disastrous. And much of that first half was with Haas and Edwards sidelined with foul trouble.
I think at this point, the jury on the defense is at best still out.
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Agree 100%. I thought we played well against a really good team who will most likely win the Big Ten. It was a humbling but learning experience for our young players.
The key word is "young." We are very talented and will get better as the season progresses. We will win 20+ games this year, but, will sustain a few bumps and bruises along the way.
They will not win the Big 10.
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Do you guys think when Wojo finally has all his own players, he'll be better able to implement his defensive strategies and everything will be fine?
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They will not win the Big 10.
Why not? It is either going to be MSU or Purdue. NO one else close to them.
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Do you guys think when Wojo finally has all his own players, he'll be better able to implement his defensive strategies and everything will be fine?
He has all of his own players. Not a single buzz Era man is left.
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He has all of his own players. Not a single buzz Era man is left.
I think there was teal implied.
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I think there was teal implied.
Well fuk me :-[
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Color me unconvinced. Purdue's 8 turnovers and the 2 blocks (Elliott, Rowsey) that looked more like steals were the only reason we were close.
If I'm calculating correctly, Purdue shot 51.7 eFG% yesterday in the first half. There's not much correlation between turnovers and defensive efficiency, so while it worked for us yesterday in the first, I'm not at all convinced that will be a sustainable plan in the long term.
Now 51.7 is better than the 52.2 we allowed for the season last year (still below average), but not by much. And obviously, the 70.4 we allowed in the second was disastrous. And much of that first half was with Haas and Edwards sidelined with foul trouble.
I think at this point, the jury on the defense is at best still out.
I'm an optimist. But I'm with you on this one. I find nothing encouraging about giving up 86 points (including 54 in the second half) and losing by 15 at home. Just the opposite — I find it extremely concerning. That's putting it mildly. Last season, only one team (Georgetown) defeated us by 15+ at home.
That doesn't mean we can't or won't get better. I simply haven't seen any evidence on the court yet.
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I'm an optimist. But I'm with you on this one. I find nothing encouraging about giving up 86 points (including 54 in the second half) and losing by 15 at home. Just the opposite — I find it extremely concerning. That's putting it mildly. Last season, only one team (Georgetown) defeated us by 15+ at home.
That doesn't mean we can't or won't get better. I simply haven't seen any evidence on the court yet.
Actually, the loss to G-Town was at their place.
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Actually, the loss to G-Town was at their place.
And it wasn't our only 15+ point loss of the season, we also lost to Michigan on a neutral court by 18.
Our last home losses by 15+ were Seton Hall (20 points in December 2015) and Iowa (28 in November 2015).
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And it wasn't our only 15+ point loss of the season, we also lost to Michigan on a neutral court by 18.
Our last home losses by 15+ were Seton Hall (20 points in December 2015) and Iowa (28 in November 2015).
My mistake. Not sure how I got that mixed up, but thanks for the correction. Even worse.
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They will not win the Big 10.
Time will tell. I believe Purdue is the best team in the Big Ten.