MUScoop
MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on October 10, 2014, 10:48:01 PM
-
He's our best player. Understands driving lanes and passing lanes. I'm sure he'll take a shot or two that he shouldn't here or there, But I like his willingness to attack the bucket without forcing anything. Good one year pickup by Wojo.
-
He's our best player. Understands driving lanes and passing lanes. I'm sure he'll take a shot or two that he shouldn't here or there, But I like his willingness to attack the bucket without forcing anything. Good one year pickup by Wojo.
Two things are for sure with Carlino -
1) He's going to be a vocal leader.
2) He's going to jack up a lot of shots. Although they're going to need him to do so.
-
He's our best player. Understands driving lanes and passing lanes. I'm sure he'll take a shot or two that he shouldn't here or there, But I like his willingness to attack the bucket without forcing anything. Good one year pickup by Wojo.
The issue with him would be if he doesn't shoot the ball well. Great addition. Will it be a great season for him? eFG% will ultimately tell us.
-
I like what I saw... a very confident player offensively.
Didn't stand out defensively, but I didn't see any mistakes, either.
I hope he's a good teammate and a solid leader. A poor man's Steve Nash imho.
-
He was good but he needs to stay out of his own head. After he finally made a 3 after missing his first 4 he went palms up and started jumping around like a "finally" miment. Very vocal on the floor but both him and Duane get frustrated too easily.
-
I'm sure he'll take a shot or two that he shouldn't here or there
This statement will certainly prove to be true, IMO.
-
There will be a game were both Carlino and JJJ are hot and it will be hard for any team to beat us. Unfortunately that might only happen once this season.
-
Matt's confidence I extremely high and coaching staff knows they have experienced, talented guy for a year. He is going to play big role on and off the court. This is a bonus for all parties involved.
-
I think he's going to be a poor man's Jimmer Fredette
-
There will be a game were both Carlino and JJJ are hot and it will be hard for any team to beat us. Unfortunately that might only happen once this season.
Why?
Why can't they - and Duane and maybe a couple of others - have several good-shooting games?
-
The "it" that he has better not be a walking boot.
-
I think he's going to be a poor man's Jimmer Fredette
??? Considering Jimmer scored 28.9 ppg and was many people's POY in college basketball his senior year, yeah I would say a *very* poor Jimmer Fredette. Carlino has never come close to the FG%s that Jimmer put up either.
Really I struggle to see a comparison.
-
??? Considering Jimmer scored 28.9 ppg and was many people's POY in college basketball his senior year, yeah I would say a *very* poor Jimmer Fredette. Carlino has never come close to the FG%s that Jimmer put up either.
Really I struggle to see a comparison.
They're both white guys who went to BYU that can shoot. That's about all.
-
??? Considering Jimmer scored 28.9 ppg and was many people's POY in college basketball his senior year, yeah I would say a *very* poor Jimmer Fredette. Carlino has never come close to the FG%s that Jimmer put up either.
Really I struggle to see a comparison.
I really should have gone with Bill Simmons' homeless man's Jimmer Fredette. Jimmer was a gunner and a volume shooter, I think Carlino will be the same way.
-
My fear is that Carlino will be more of a Todd Mayo redux than a poor man's Jimmer. Honestly, as far as on the court skills, I don't see Carlino being much of an upgrade from Mayo. It also appears that some BYU faithful felt that Carlino had similar chemistry/team concept issues.
-
Well, between Carlino and Deonte, if they play the same as last year, we won't have to worry about anyone else taking many shots. They will have the shooting covered and then some. I'm not saying their FG% will be good, just that we will have two guys who rarely pass the ball and rarely see a shot that doesn't look like a good shot.
Last year was just brutal. Not only because we lost, but the way in which we lost and the way the offense looked. It wasn't fun to watch.
I don't know that we will be better (loosing Davante is a big loss and Mayo won a few games for us) but I bet we will be more fun to watch even in a blow out. And our offense won't stagnate so much as we'll have a few guys that can create a shot for themselves when needed (and probably when not needed as alluded to above, as Carlino and Deonte won't have a problem putting the ball up towards the hoop).
My hope is that they both don't solely focus on scoring if we have a couple of other guys step up and show they are capable.
-
My fear is that Carlino will be more of a Todd Mayo redux than a poor man's Jimmer. Honestly, as far as on the court skills, I don't see Carlino being much of an upgrade from Mayo. It also appears that some BYU faithful felt that Carlino had similar chemistry/team concept issues.
I agree with this. Carlino and chemistry issues with the team will be a big challenge for Wojo. As player he reminds of Drew Nietzel. Basically a chucker with a barely acceptable shooting percentage.
-
If Carlino has it, he is most likely going to shoot it.
-
I love how last year people were complaining about a PG who wont/can't shoot and now people are complaining of a guy who shoots too much on a team that doesn't have a ton of scorers. I like what Carlino can bring to the table for MU.
-
Not complaining. He and Burton are going to have to be volume scorers. But they also need some semblance of a conscience.
-
Not complaining. He and Burton are going to have to be volume scorers. But they also need some semblance of a conscience.
As a former coach would say, they need to grow their hair out to protect their brains so they don't forget how to play.
-
I love how last year people were complaining about a PG who wont/can't shoot and now people are complaining of a guy who shoots too much on a team that doesn't have a ton of scorers. I like what Carlino can bring to the table for MU.
As bad as playing four on five on offense can be, playing one on five is worse. I hope that Wojo can get Matt to buy into the complete offense.
-
If he's our best
Player then Tennessee tech might be a
Closer
Game than we thought .
-
If he's our best
Player then Tennessee tech might be a
Closer
Game than we thought .
I wouldn't count on any blowouts.
-
If he's our best
Player then Tennessee tech might be a
Closer
Game than we thought .
This is really bad haiku.
-
This is really bad haiku.
I think that's his schtick now, terrible poetry...he's done it a couple of times now. Much like the season, I'm going to watch and see if it gets better before I bail on it.
-
I love how last year people were complaining about a PG who wont/can't shoot and now people are complaining of a guy who shoots too much on a team that doesn't have a ton of scorers. I like what Carlino can bring to the table for MU.
Carlino will not be playing point, so we may still have a point guard that will not shoot.
-
They're both white guys who went to BYU that can shoot. That's about all.
Ahem...the term we use around here is "traditional"
-
I love how last year people were complaining about a PG who wont/can't shoot and now people are complaining of a guy who shoots too much on a team that doesn't have a ton of scorers. I like what Carlino can bring to the table for MU.
Well, both are not great options. If the point is a complete gunner with a low FG%, teammates will be upset and team chemistry will suffer if the point guard is a chucker. We used to call them ball hogs and I played with a few. Doesn't make for a team unless the guy is really really good and hits consistently at a high rate.
We know what happens when we have a point guard that can't at least force defenses to stay somewhat honest. Saw it with DWill and to a lesser extend with Tony Miller (blasphemy, I know, but I always wondered how well those teams with Mac and Key could have done with a point guard that could at least be a 3 point threat consistently).
So either scenario is not good, of course. Let's hope for some balance and for a couple of guys that shoot the 3 at even a mid to upper 30%.
Wojo is obviously big on developing talent, but rarely do players go from terrible shooters to great shooters in one summer. It is usually a more steady rise over time, if they ever become better shooters (oddly, when players go to the NBA they seem to develop the ability to shoot, often, more quickly). I am totally going by my somewhat faulty recollection on this one, so correct me if this is not usually the case.
-
This is really bad haiku.
Spades a spade
-
I think that's his schtick now, terrible poetry...he's done it a couple of times now. Much like the season, I'm going to watch and see if it gets better before I bail on it.
Bail
On
It
?
-
Take a peek at this to show you the kind of chucker Carlino has been. Here are the senior stats for four Marquette point guards compared to Carlino last year.
Tony Miller: Averaged a shot every 3.6 min. 33.2 FG%. 33.7 3FG%
Hutchins: Shot every 3.05 min. 44.2 FG%. 41.0 3FG%
Cadougan: Shot every 3.8 min. 43.1 FG%. 22.6 3FG%
Diener: Shot every 2.5 min. 42.0 FG%. 40.2 3FG%
Carlino: Shot every 2.2 min. 38.5 FG%. 33.9%
So Matt Carlino show the ball more often than Travis Diener did his senior year, when Diener and Novak were the only players on Marquette's team that had any offensive ability whatsoever. Yet he shot the ball more like Tony Miller.
-
Take a peek at this to show you the kind of chucker Carlino has been. Here are the senior stats for four Marquette point guards compared to Carlino last year.
Tony Miller: Averaged a shot every 3.6 min. 33.2 FG%. 33.7 3FG%
Hutchins: Shot every 3.05 min. 44.2 FG%. 41.0 3FG%
Cadougan: Shot every 3.8 min. 43.1 FG%. 22.6 3FG%
Diener: Shot every 2.5 min. 42.0 FG%. 40.2 3FG%
Carlino: Shot every 2.2 min. 38.5 FG%. 33.9%
So Matt Carlino show the ball more often than Travis Diener did his senior year, when Diener and Novak were the only players on Marquette's team that had any offensive ability whatsoever. Yet he shot the ball more like Tony Miller.
Thats OK though. Carlino doesn't need to be Travis Diener.
-
Well I hope not. However the next time that any of the other guards routinely hits shots in game situations will be the first time.
-
We know what happens when we have a point guard that can't at least force defenses to stay somewhat honest. Saw it with DWill and to a lesser extend with Tony Miller (blasphemy, I know, but I always wondered how well those teams with Mac and Key could have done with a point guard that could at least be a 3 point threat consistently).
Depends on who surrounds the PG. Miller had Anglavar and Pieper.
-
Depends on who surrounds the PG. Miller had Anglavar and Pieper.
Logterman and Pieper. Anglavar and Miller never played on the same team.
-
Well, both are not great options. If the point is a complete gunner with a low FG%, teammates will be upset and team chemistry will suffer if the point guard is a chucker. We used to call them ball hogs and I played with a few. Doesn't make for a team unless the guy is really really good and hits consistently at a high rate.
We know what happens when we have a point guard that can't at least force defenses to stay somewhat honest. Saw it with DWill and to a lesser extend with Tony Miller (blasphemy, I know, but I always wondered how well those teams with Mac and Key could have done with a point guard that could at least be a 3 point threat consistently).
So either scenario is not good, of course. Let's hope for some balance and for a couple of guys that shoot the 3 at even a mid to upper 30%.
Wojo is obviously big on developing talent, but rarely do players go from terrible shooters to great shooters in one summer. It is usually a more steady rise over time, if they ever become better shooters (oddly, when players go to the NBA they seem to develop the ability to shoot, often, more quickly). I am totally going by my somewhat faulty recollection on this one, so correct me if this is not usually the case.
Tony Miller could shoot it a heck of a lot better than what Derrick has shown thus far...and Tony was guarded everywhere on the floor..not to mention could single handedly break a press and create great looks for teammates. 33.7% from 3 is respectable at the college level....
As for the rest of your post - I agree that if you have a PG that is a gunner - he better shoot a high percentage, as if he doesn't get other guys involved and is entirely me first type of player - while shooting a low percentage...awful for team chemistry. Now, the other guys on the team have to prove and show they are capable scorers/shooters as well too.
Take a peek at this to show you the kind of chucker Carlino has been. Here are the senior stats for four Marquette point guards compared to Carlino last year.
Tony Miller: Averaged a shot every 3.6 min. 33.2 FG%. 33.7 3FG%
Hutchins: Shot every 3.05 min. 44.2 FG%. 41.0 3FG%
Cadougan: Shot every 3.8 min. 43.1 FG%. 22.6 3FG%
Diener: Shot every 2.5 min. 42.0 FG%. 40.2 3FG%
Carlino: Shot every 2.2 min. 38.5 FG%. 33.9%
So Matt Carlino show the ball more often than Travis Diener did his senior year, when Diener and Novak were the only players on Marquette's team that had any offensive ability whatsoever. Yet he shot the ball more like Tony Miller.
Think many failed to realize how damn good Hutch was...or perhaps not appreciate him as he came in on the back end of the O'Neill years and had to play with Deane recruits his last 2 years. Hutch was Clutch.
-
Tony Miller could shoot it a heck of a lot better than what Derrick has shown thus far...and Tony was guarded everywhere on the floor..not to mention could single handedly break a press and create great looks for teammates. 33.7% from 3 is respectable at the college level....
As for the rest of your post - I agree that if you have a PG that is a gunner - he better shoot a high percentage, as if he doesn't get other guys involved and is entirely me first type of player - while shooting a low percentage...awful for team chemistry. Now, the other guys on the team have to prove and show they are capable scorers/shooters as well too.
Think many failed to realize how damn good Hutch was...or perhaps not appreciate him as he came in on the back end of the O'Neill years and had to play with Deane recruits his last 2 years. Hutch was Clutch.
Tony was never a great shooter, but he did improve significantly to his last year. He was flat out a stud. Very good D, and our all time assist leader.
-
Logterman and Pieper. Anglavar and Miller never played on the same team.
You are correct sir. Geez, I even went to the wiki to check.
-
FYI: In no way do I want to disparage Tony Miller, who was one of our greats. He offered a whole lot on D, ball handling, passing, character, toughness (never was afraid or backed down), etc, etc, etc.
But, he was lacking on offense in a big way and teams did sag off of him or hedge on him (nothing like they did to DWill last year). Tony could keep a defense somewhat honest. That is really the first time I realized having a point guard who can shoot it and draw defenders is so important.
Could you imagine Mac and Key playing with a guy like Diener or a Tony Miller who was a better threat from outside? That is all I am saying. But I don't in anyway mean to disparage him as he was a great one and fun to watch, and did his job valiantly and got the ball to the big guys time and time again.
The way he could break down a press on his own was simply extraordinary, best I've seen at Marquette.
When I see that someone is referred to as a "pure point guard" I always wonder if that is often used as a code for they distribute but don't have an offensive game or can't shoot it. A scoring point guard makes it so much easier on everyone else, as long as the point guard gets it that he has to involved others and can balance out scoring and distributing.