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Title: Chris Jones?
Post by: ZMovieman on March 10, 2012, 09:06:15 PM
Gary Parrish tweeted about possible involvement on JC prospect Chris Jones. Anyone know anything about him?

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@GaryParrishCBS: Lots asking where Chris Jones will play D1. Too early to tell. He's got 1 more year of JC to play. But Marquette is in there pretty good.

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@GaryParrishCBS: Buzz used to coach Chris Jones' HS coach (Jermaine Johnson) and used to work with Chris Jones' JC coach (Steve Forbes). That's a good combo.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on March 10, 2012, 09:09:00 PM
you forgot TWITTER TRACKER!!!!!!!

Top 50ish overall recruit for 2011.  Committed to Tennessee but went JUCO when Pearl was canned.  Sounds like one more year in JUCO, so would be a 2013 recruit.  On the small side (5'10"), but we do need a point.  Would put class sizes pretty out of whack...

Here's a short story on the kid when he originally went JUCO:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/feed/2011-05/cbk-recruiting-2012/story/top-point-guard-to-bypass-tennessee-go-to-junior-college (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/feed/2011-05/cbk-recruiting-2012/story/top-point-guard-to-bypass-tennessee-go-to-junior-college)

Added: Parrish just tweeted that he is the best JUCO player in the country right now.  Sign him and figure it out later...
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: GGGG on March 10, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
I'm assuming that since we would have to wait another year that he wasn't a qualifier.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 10, 2012, 10:00:59 PM
Eligible next year if he was a qualifier.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: nyg on March 10, 2012, 10:07:05 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Chris-Jones-98837

Here's his Rivals summary.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: fanofTR on March 10, 2012, 10:13:49 PM
Also just saw the tweet about him being the best JUCO player. Get him here. Talent wins, regardless of position. As long as he is not another Montrelle Clark in terms of off court issues, would love to have him.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: bamamarquettefan on March 11, 2012, 12:29:41 AM
AGREED!  Pierre Jackson is 5-foot-10 and was the best JUCO player last year, and I've been really impressed with him this year.  When I run Value Add he was the 73rd best player in the country this year, which certainly helped Baylor in their season.

If we can get anywhere near that would be awesome (sorry, this is still where I always pause to ask why I wanted Junior to play those 14 minutes two years ago - ugggghhhh).

And if someone pushes him around for being a little small, Derrick will come in and deck them!
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: GoMarquette32 on March 11, 2012, 12:41:13 AM
He would be a great player to bring in for scoring next year when DJO and crowder are gone,
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: DomJamesToTheBasket on March 11, 2012, 01:48:33 AM
Cumulative Statistics:
Individual Scoring Leaders
GP   TOTAL FGM (2PT. & 3PT.)   FGM(3)   FTM   PTS   IND AVE
27    166    49    105    486    18.000
Free Throw Percentage Leaders
GP   FTM   FTA   FT%
27    105    147    71%
Field Goal Percentage Leaders
GP   TOTAL FGM (2PT. & 3PT.)   TOTAL FGA   FG %
27    166    376    44%
Field Goal Percentage Leaders (3pt)
GP   FGM(3)   FGA(3)   FG%(3)
27    49    127    39%
Rebound Leaders
GP   OREB   DREB   REB   REB/GM
27    51    72    123    4.556
Assist Leaders
GP   ASST   ASST/GM
27    113    4.185
Steal Leaders
GP   STEALS   STLS/GM
27    49    1.815
Individual Blocks per Game
GP   BLOCKS   BLOCKS/GM
27    3    0.111
Individual Turnovers per Game
GP   TO   TO/GM
27    60    2.222
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: real chili 83 on March 11, 2012, 07:09:55 AM
Also just saw the tweet about him being the best JUCO player. Get him here. Talent wins, regardless of position. As long as he is not another Montrelle Clark in terms of off court issues, would love to have him.


Sorry for going a bit off topic.....what ever ended up happening to Clark?  Was he convicted, did he end up playing ball somewhere?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on March 11, 2012, 07:11:28 AM
Is it even possible to get him on our team? Wouldn't someone have to transfer? Personally I would love to see him on our team with wilson being a solid back up point.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: GGGG on March 11, 2012, 08:08:14 AM
Sorry for going a bit off topic.....what ever ended up happening to Clark?  Was he convicted, did he end up playing ball somewhere?  Just curious.

He finished his career at a community college in Illinois and as far as I know isn't playing basketball.


Is it even possible to get him on our team? Wouldn't someone have to transfer? Personally I would love to see him on our team with wilson being a solid back up point.


Someone on the team would have to transfer, or a 2012 commit would have to not show for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2012, 08:38:02 AM
Is this turnin' into another Durley thread?
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 11, 2012, 08:54:36 AM
Is this turnin' into another Durley thread?

Whenever I hear about one of these available players for next year, his name always seems to come up. Honestly, I feel 98% confident Aaron will be here next year. I don't have that same confidence level with the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 09:36:37 AM
He's a 2013 recruit.  We have an open scholly that year.  Everyone calm down.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: The Equalizer on March 11, 2012, 10:04:38 AM
He's a 2013 recruit.  We have an open scholly that year.  Everyone calm down.

I think that one is reserved for Chris Otule--he'll redshirt this year and apply for another year of eligiblility, using that 2013 scholarship.

 
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: GGGG on March 11, 2012, 10:05:31 AM
I think that one is reserved for Chris Otule--he'll redshirt this year and apply for another year of eligiblility, using that 2013 scholarship.



Yep.  I think it is a safe assumption that the BE grants Otule a medical redshirt.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 10:31:15 AM
ahhh.  good point.  still means that is two years away.  a lot can happen between now and then...including chris deciding he doesn't want to be in college for 6 years.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: jficke13 on March 11, 2012, 10:36:03 AM

Yep.  I think it is a safe assumption that the BE grants Otule a medical redshirt.

Not to be a negative nancy, but do we know what the likelihood of him getting that medical redshirt actually is? I'm usually pretty optimistic, but I don't want to get too far ahead of myself when I know absolutely nothing about what they consider when weighing a medical redshirt (or 2nd redshirt).
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 11, 2012, 10:38:59 AM
Not to be a negative nancy, but do we know what the likelihood of him getting that medical redshirt actually is? I'm usually pretty optimistic, but I don't want to get too far ahead of myself when I know absolutely nothing about what they consider when weighing a medical redshirt (or 2nd redshirt).

Until the end of next year, we won't truly know. But listening to how confident Buzz was in some earlier interviews, as though it was already a done deal, leads me to believe he probably got some measure of confirmation from the powers that be before CO went under the knife.

From what it seemed, we were all waiting for ages to see if he'd be back or not. Then suddenly, Buzz said he'd have another year and within days CO went to surgery. My guess is that it wasn't so much waiting for swelling as it was waiting to make sure he'd be granted a 6th year waiver. Once they felt confident he would, they scheduled surgery.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: GGGG on March 11, 2012, 10:44:14 AM
ahhh.  good point.  still means that is two years away.  a lot can happen between now and then...including chris deciding he doesn't want to be in college for 6 years.


He is going to play...unless he suffers some other sort of setback.  Why wouldn't he?
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: BCHoopster on March 11, 2012, 10:45:03 AM
Theres alot that can happen in 2 years.  Transfers, Chris deciding he has had enough, gets hurt again, Burton is not eligible, ACT score not high enough.  Even the 4 kids this year, have they all passed the ACT tests and all eligible to play next year?  Vander going pro, OK, that is along shot?
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 11, 2012, 10:47:41 AM
Again if jones was eligible out of hs he could be a 1 year juco... Has it been established wether he was a 1 or 2 year guy?
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 10:51:26 AM

He is going to play...unless he suffers some other sort of setback.  Why wouldn't he?

Maybe he gets sick of basketball.  Maybe he gets sicks of going to class.  Maybe he gets sick of the regimen associated with D1  basketball.  Maybe he doesn't want to be in the same place for 6 years.  

I think as of now, he's committed to the 6th year, otherwise, I don't think Buzz would have come out and said as much.  But it's perfectly reasonable to think that at some point he just decides "You know what, I'm good.  Time to move on."
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: GGGG on March 11, 2012, 10:52:24 AM
Again if jones was eligible out of hs he could be a 1 year juco... Has it been established wether he was a 1 or 2 year guy?


Well, this article doesn't come out and say it, but if you read between the lines it looks as though he was a non-qualifier.

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/apr/28/basketball-signee-chris-jones-heads-junior-college/?partner=RSS
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: GGGG on March 11, 2012, 10:53:33 AM
Maybe he gets sick of basketball.  Maybe he gets sicks of going to class.  Maybe he gets sick of the regimen associated with D1  basketball.  Maybe he doesn't want to be in the same place for 6 years. 

I think as of now, he's committed to the 6th year, otherwise, I don't think Buzz would have come out and said as much.  But it's perfectly reasonable to think that at some point he just decides "You know what, I'm good.  Time to move on."


I don't think I have ever heard of a high level D1 starter say that he's just sick of playing and wanting to move on.  I guess it can happen, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 10:54:00 AM
Again if jones was eligible out of hs he could be a 1 year juco... Has it been established wether he was a 1 or 2 year guy?

Well, Parrish said he has one more year of JUCO to play (see OP).  I'll trust him until proven otherwise.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: bilsu on March 11, 2012, 10:55:48 AM
I am not big on recruiting guards under 6'. He is listed as 5'10", which probably means with shoes.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 11, 2012, 10:59:05 AM
Apparently Parrish has been on this kid for a while now:

http://eye-on-college-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/32373246

Sounds like a pretty cocky SOB... Let's get him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqgNmQsBwwA
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 11:01:01 AM
And that article clearly says 2013.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: chapman on March 11, 2012, 11:07:59 AM
Can definitely see the benefit of getting a Juco point guard for 2013 rather than starting over with a freshman.  But ideally we'd also get Nunn in 2013 and a freshman point guard as well, either Duane Wilson or Jaylon Tate.  I think we will find two scholarships, not sure about three.  If we don't want to miss a beat, a point like Jones might be a good fit.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 11, 2012, 11:12:19 AM
Can definitely see the benefit of getting a Juco point guard for 2013 rather than starting over with a freshman.  But ideally we'd also get Nunn in 2013 and a freshman point guard as well, either Duane Wilson or Jaylon Tate.  I think we will find two scholarships, not sure about three.  If we don't want to miss a beat, a point like Jones might be a good fit.

The collective heads of the posters on this board will explode if we "find" three schollies for 2013...

That being said, I don't think we "need" both Nunn and a freshman point. We will have guys who can run the point: DWill, Taylor, Mayo, Blue and Nunn. None of them really gets me excited, but I don't think its worth running guys out of town.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 11, 2012, 11:18:01 AM
Can definitely see the benefit of getting a Juco point guard for 2013 rather than starting over with a freshman.  But ideally we'd also get Nunn in 2013 and a freshman point guard as well, either Duane Wilson or Jaylon Tate.  I think we will find two scholarships, not sure about three.  If we don't want to miss a beat, a point like Jones might be a good fit.

Well, IDEALLY we'd get Jabari Parker, but... ;D
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: BCHoopster on March 11, 2012, 11:21:32 AM
I think Buzz will try and stay away from Jucos in the future, it will be interesting to see if either jucos graduates or not.  I have been told no.  But give the kids the benefit of the doubt. The
2  seniors will get the highest paying jobs out of the senior class and that is good thing.  Unfortunately the NCAA wants kids to graduate, so does MU.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: noblewarrior on March 11, 2012, 11:25:11 AM
I am not big on recruiting guards under 6'. He is listed as 5'10", which probably means with shoes.

'Flip' Pressy for Mizzu may be the best PG in the Country.  He's well under 5 ft.   Talent is talent.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on March 11, 2012, 11:25:41 AM
You're saying both DJO and Jae are not in line to graduate on time?  That would surprise me, especially DJO since he's been here for 3 years and was a full qualifier out of high school.  Unless of course it's because they leave school to focus on training and the draft.  I believe Jimmy did that last year, no?
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 11, 2012, 02:14:58 PM
Jimmy did do that, but didn't he eventually graduate anyway? I am pretty positive that Jae will not make that decision. It's pretty foolish to assume that just because they are JUCO's they have less intelligence than the rest of the basketball players. That's a pretty awful thing to assume.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: TedBaxter on March 11, 2012, 02:47:33 PM
Jae has not gone through summer school for an entire summer either, so he may be behind the typical student/athlete. 
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: MUMac on March 11, 2012, 02:55:13 PM
Jae has not gone through summer school for an entire summer either, so he may be behind the typical student/athlete. 
I don't know if this would have anything to do with it, but his first JC year was at a non-accredited JC.  He transferred for year 2.  Obviously enough credits transferred, but I am guessing he was behind to start due to year 1.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 11, 2012, 03:02:12 PM
I don't know if this would have anything to do with it, but his first JC year was at a non-accredited JC.  He transferred for year 2.  Obviously enough credits transferred, but I am guessing he was behind to start due to year 1.

That's the reason he wasn't here at all that first summer after he committed. He stayed at Howard to finish up his classwork so he was able to transfer into Marquette as a full junior. If he stayed on track, he should be ready to graduate.
Title: I do not intend to sound smart-alecky, Zmovieman
Post by: MU Avenue on March 11, 2012, 03:12:27 PM
Gary Parrish tweeted about possible involvement on JC prospect Chris Jones. Anyone know anything about him?

Zmovieman, you are sitting at a computer with the Internet surrounding you and you had to ask here if anyone knows anything about this mysterious Chris Jones?

Goodness, a simple search yielded numerous results and a bounty of information, even after narrowing the search to eliminate Chris Jones, the creative-but-somewhat-wacky chef who is heralded as one of the best cooks in Chicago.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: NersEllenson on March 11, 2012, 03:17:42 PM
I think Buzz will try and stay away from Jucos in the future, it will be interesting to see if either jucos graduates or not.  I have been told no.  But give the kids the benefit of the doubt. The
2  seniors will get the highest paying jobs out of the senior class and that is good thing.  Unfortunately the NCAA wants kids to graduate, so does MU.

I doubt Buzz will stay away from JUCO's in the future.  Actually think we will almost always have 1 JUCO on the roster.  Buzz's job is to get the best talent to MU, that will help the program win - and there is talent in the JUCO ranks...and Buzz has good inroads there.

Yes, the idea of all MU basketball players graduating is nice, but everyone's path to MU is different, as are their exits out of Marquette. And as you point out...if Jae and DJO don't graduate - they still will be the 2 highest paid kids in the senior class leaving MU this spring.  Being pro caliber good is a degree in and of itself.  These guys put in 1,000s of more hours developing their craft and profession than most typical college "graduates."  Plus, under Buzz they have likely learned a lot about the value of hard work and accountability...a communications degree in many cases isn't worth much more than the paper it is written on...let's not get carried away in the whole degree/graduation thing..
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Aughnanure on March 11, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
Maybe he gets sick of basketball.  Maybe he gets sicks of going to class.  Maybe he gets sick of the regimen associated with D1  basketball.  Maybe he doesn't want to be in the same place for 6 years.  

I think as of now, he's committed to the 6th year, otherwise, I don't think Buzz would have come out and said as much.  But it's perfectly reasonable to think that at some point he just decides "You know what, I'm good.  Time to move on."

...maybe someone goes pro. Doubt it, but you're right; there are so many possibilities for what could happen.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: GGGG on March 11, 2012, 03:25:48 PM
I doubt Buzz will stay away from JUCO's in the future.  Actually think we will almost always have 1 JUCO on the roster.  Buzz's job is to get the best talent to MU, that will help the program win - and there is talent in the JUCO ranks...and Buzz has good inroads there.

Yes, the idea of all MU basketball players graduating is nice, but everyone's path to MU is different, as are their exits out of Marquette. And as you point out...if Jae and DJO don't graduate - they still will be the 2 highest paid kids in the senior class leaving MU this spring.  Being pro caliber good is a degree in and of itself.  These guys put in 1,000s of more hours developing their craft and profession than most typical college "graduates."  Plus, under Buzz they have likely learned a lot about the value of hard work and accountability...a communications degree in many cases isn't worth much more than the paper it is written on...let's not get carried away in the whole degree/graduation thing..


Are you classifying TJ Taylor as a JUCO then?  Because he is hardly the traditional JUCO (full qualifier that started at a four year school.)  If you don't count him, we will have zero on our roster next year and haven't brought one in since Jae.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2012, 03:29:40 PM
...maybe someone goes pro. Doubt it, but you're right; there are so many possibilities for what could happen.
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I'm figurin' Blue goes to the Association for sure.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Aughnanure on March 11, 2012, 03:37:35 PM

Are you classifying TJ Taylor as a JUCO then?  Because he is hardly the traditional JUCO (full qualifier that started at a four year school.)  If you don't count him, we will have zero on our roster next year and haven't brought one in since Jae.

But neither were DJO and Butler w/ their 3 years of eligibility. Will we use as many JUCOs as we did before? No, but its highly likely that we will continue to supplement them in if the program thinks they have as much potential as DJO, Butler and Jae.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: bilsu on March 11, 2012, 03:50:23 PM
'Flip' Pressy for Mizzu may be the best PG in the Country.  He's well under 5 ft.   Talent is talent.
I realize that, but they play a very good team pressing defense. In a half defense, unless you are strong like Dominc James a samll point guard is  going to be a defensive liability. Assuming you want to be a legimate contender for Big East title and final four, in my opinion, you need to stay away from pint size guards.
Title: Re: I do not intend to sound smart-alecky, Zmovieman
Post by: ZMovieman on March 11, 2012, 04:09:17 PM
Zmovieman, you are sitting at a computer with the Internet surrounding you and you had to ask here if anyone knows anything about this mysterious Chris Jones?

Goodness, a simple search yielded numerous results and a bounty of information, even after narrowing the search to eliminate Chris Jones, the creative-but-somewhat-wacky chef who is heralded as one of the best cooks in Chicago.

Just wanted the board's thoughts on him is all. Sorry for any weird phrasing. Course I could have google'd him and did. Thought he justified his own thread.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: GGGG on March 11, 2012, 04:18:59 PM
But neither were DJO and Butler w/ their 3 years of eligibility. Will we use as many JUCOs as we did before? No, but its highly likely that we will continue to supplement them in if the program thinks they have as much potential as DJO, Butler and Jae.


But Taylor is even a little different since he went to a four year school first...but I see your point.
Title: Forgive me, ZMovieman
Post by: MU Avenue on March 11, 2012, 05:27:29 PM
Just wanted the board's thoughts on him is all. Sorry for any weird phrasing. Course I could have google'd him and did. Thought he justified his own thread.

I wrote that I was not going to be smart-alecky, ZMovieman. Then I was smart-alecky.

You are absolutely free -- and encouraged -- to introduce discussion on any topic of your choosing. In fact, I love good ol’ conversation, debate and all other forms of human interaction, even if via computer.

Apologies for the unnecessary comment. I meant no disrespect.

Go Marquette!
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 11, 2012, 05:43:24 PM
'Flip' Pressy for Mizzu may be the best PG in the Country.  He's well under 5 ft.   Talent is talent.


Well under 5 feet? And they said Acker was small...Was his grandfather in the Wizard of Oz perhaps?
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2012, 05:45:13 PM

Well under 5 feet? And they said Acker was small...Was his grandfather in the Wizard of Oz perhaps?

Did he turn down Crean?
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 11, 2012, 05:55:43 PM
Maybe he gets sick of basketball.  Maybe he gets sicks of going to class.  Maybe he gets sick of the regimen associated with D1  basketball.  Maybe he doesn't want to be in the same place for 6 years.  

I think as of now, he's committed to the 6th year, otherwise, I don't think Buzz would have come out and said as much.  But it's perfectly reasonable to think that at some point he just decides "You know what, I'm good.  Time to move on."

By now a winter in Texas might not sound too bad to him.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 11, 2012, 06:06:41 PM
I am not big on recruiting guards under 6'. He is listed as 5'10", which probably means with shoes.

Yes, at that height he may not be able to toss the ball all the way up into the third row...

Sorry Junior, I couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: AZWarrior on March 11, 2012, 08:22:10 PM
ahhh.  good point.  still means that is two years away.  a lot can happen between now and then...including chris deciding he doesn't want to be in college for 6 years.

Grad school.  MBA.   ;D
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Skatastrophy on July 29, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
Looks like we're still on this guy.  Went the juco route because of academics, but high praise from his coach.  With Kansas and L'ville on him as well he'd be a great pickup:

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/sports/raiders-51307-steve-commodity.html
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: BCHoopster on July 29, 2012, 10:49:10 AM
Nothing against the 2 Wilsons that they will have next year. but when is a freshman and the other needs to find an offensive game, Jones would be a perfect pick up, add Nunn
and the guard situation is solidified.  2013-2014 might be MU's best team on paper under Buzz.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on July 30, 2012, 01:25:52 AM
 :D Not another smurf guard....please. I think we need to get a  big or another Forward don't you?
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Dawson Rental on July 30, 2012, 07:51:10 PM
:D Not another smurf guard....please. I think we need to get a  big or another Forward don't you?

We have smurf guards on the roster?  I didn't know that.  Who?
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: tower912 on July 30, 2012, 07:53:52 PM
:D Not another smurf guard....please. I think we need to get a  big or another Forward don't you?
Depends on Mayo's status.    Right about now, a quick guard sounds good.   
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: GGGG on July 30, 2012, 09:16:21 PM
:D Not another smurf guard....please. I think we need to get a  big or another Forward don't you?


Two weeks ago I would have agreed with you.  But with TJ Taylor leaving and Mayo's uncertainty, I most definitely we need at least one guard.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: real chili 83 on July 30, 2012, 09:25:31 PM
We have smurf guards on the roster?  I didn't know that.  Who?

Vander Blue.  ;D
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: BCHoopster on July 30, 2012, 09:36:40 PM
Vander Blue is at best a complementary player, does not have the shake and bake to get his his shot off.  Does not mean he can not be a 12-14 point scorer, but that will be off the break
more often than not.  Might hit an open shot once in awhile.  There is nothing wrong with that, but that is all I see.  My hope is that he can finish at the rim this year and make majority
of those types of shots.  I see Lockett being more or a guard then Vander.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: brewcity77 on July 30, 2012, 11:26:22 PM
:D Not another smurf guard....please. I think we need to get a  big or another Forward don't you?

We could use another point guard, and if he can play high-major ball, I'm not too bothered by a short PG. This isn't the NBA, and with Junior leaving, our only PGs in 2013-14 and beyond are the two DW's. Neither has really proven themselves at this level. More experience, talent, and options at that position are a must. We need more size in 2014 and beyond, but for the next two years, another point is a bigger immediate priority.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Dawson Rental on July 31, 2012, 12:02:41 AM
Vander Blue is at best a complementary player, does not have the shake and bake to get his his shot off.  Does not mean he can not be a 12-14 point scorer, but that will be off the break
more often than not.  Might hit an open shot once in awhile.  There is nothing wrong with that, but that is all I see.  My hope is that he can finish at the rim this year and make majority
of those types of shots.  I see Lockett being more or a guard then Vander.

I think that you may have missed real chili 83's point.  Smurfs are blue and Vander is, well, A Blue.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: real chili 83 on July 31, 2012, 05:25:07 AM
I think that you may have missed real chili 83's point.  Smurfs are blue and Vander is, well, A Blue.

Ding ding ding  ::)
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 31, 2012, 08:13:40 AM
Vander Blue is at best a complementary player, does not have the shake and bake to get his his shot off.  Does not mean he can not be a 12-14 point scorer, but that will be off the break
more often than not.  Might hit an open shot once in awhile.  There is nothing wrong with that, but that is all I see.  My hope is that he can finish at the rim this year and make majority
of those types of shots.  I see Lockett being more or a guard then Vander.

This will be Vander's breakout year.  Bank on it.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on July 31, 2012, 08:44:39 AM
Vander Blue is at best a complementary player, does not have the shake and bake to get his his shot off.  Does not mean he can not be a 12-14 point scorer, but that will be off the break
more often than not.  Might hit an open shot once in awhile.  There is nothing wrong with that, but that is all I see.  My hope is that he can finish at the rim this year and make majority
of those types of shots.  I see Lockett being more or a guard then Vander.

I disagree completely with this.

Vander can create a shot whenever he wants. The problem is that he's not a good shooter, so it's not effective to isolate him (like you can do with DJO).

If he can shoot well enough to draw defenders closer to him on the parameter, that will give him a better chance to drive and/or create a quality pull-up opportunity (something McNeal was excellent at as a senior).

Strength, and jumpshooting. If those get a little better, he'll be really good. If they get significantly better, he's going to be all-conf.
Title: Re: Chris Jones?
Post by: bilsu on July 31, 2012, 09:13:34 AM
This will be Vander's breakout year.  Bank on it.
I think it will also be a breakout year for Blue. Some posters argue otherwise, but I believe Blue moving to the two from the three will be a hugh benefit for him. He is a player who needs the ball in his hands. You can argue all you want that there is no difference between a two or three in Buzz's offense, but I think you will see there is a difference. However, if Lockett plays the two and Blue stays at the 3 Blues's scoring will only improve marginally.