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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on May 03, 2024, 12:47:47 PM
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A person posted this question on Reddit and it got me wondering. If all else in their career trajectory happened as it did at MU who hurt the most leaving?
Obvious answer is Sam
Other contenders are Deonte and McKay, Maymon probably Mbakwe
Garcia & Joey, put up decent numbers but seemed way over ranked in HS. Haanif & Christopherson got pretty good their final years but were average prior. Taylor did well in the mid majors his last year.
Who else truly hurt leaving and watching their success elsewhere? (Non grad transfer)
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Odartey would have helped in 2004.
Not a transfer but LeDarryl killed me.
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The stories on each are so fascinating and so specific.
Sam
Jeronne
Odartey
Garcia didn't hurt. Any transfer that becomes a punchline at the banquet three years later can't hurt too much.
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A person posted this question on Reddit and it got me wondering. If all else in their career trajectory happened as it did at MU who hurt the most leaving?
Obvious answer is Sam
Other contenders are Deonte and McKay, Maymon probably Mbakwe
Garcia & Joey, put up decent numbers but seemed way over ranked in HS. Haanif & Christopherson got pretty good their final years but were average prior. Taylor did well in the mid majors his last year.
Who else truly hurt leaving and watching their success elsewhere? (Non grad transfer)
Jameel’s departure was an omen for that season.
Would have been nice to have Mbkawe but I’m not sure how those rosters are different if he stays.
It’s Sam, though his departure hastened the end of the Wojo era. Odartey is probably a close second
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Garcia didn't hurt. Any transfer that becomes a punchline at the banquet three years later can't hurt too much.
Story time? Did I miss something?
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I second the Odartey Blankston call above. Very good looking player and could have been a key piece when he left.
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Story time? Did I miss something?
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/board/104085/Contents/great-banquetlasted-45-hrs-and-it-seemed-like-2-hrs-230258647/?page=1
At the end of the first post, Dodds references a remark Shaka dropped about a player leaving who thought MU was going to stink and now Oso is better than that player.
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https://247sports.com/college/marquette/board/104085/Contents/great-banquetlasted-45-hrs-and-it-seemed-like-2-hrs-230258647/?page=1
At the end of the first post, Dodds references a remark Shaka dropped about a player leaving who thought MU was going to stink and now Oso is better than that player.
Hah nice. Thanks for the explanation
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A person posted this question on Reddit and it got me wondering. If all else in their career trajectory happened as it did at MU who hurt the most leaving?
Obvious answer is Sam
Other contenders are Deonte and McKay, Maymon probably Mbakwe
Garcia & Joey, put up decent numbers but seemed way over ranked in HS. Haanif & Christopherson got pretty good their final years but were average prior. Taylor did well in the mid majors his last year.
Who else truly hurt leaving and watching their success elsewhere? (Non grad transfer)
Karon Bradley would have helped as a point guard
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Not a transfer…..but when Joe Wolf declared for UNC , My Grandpa almost cried. My Uncles were yelling and swearing. They knew that the slope was slipping and weren’t too happy.
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I second the Odartey Blankston call above. Very good looking player and could have been a key piece when he left.
I agree and also think he could have helped in the Final Four.
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Or maybe they wouldn’t have made the Final Four with him around.
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Odartey was tough but it probably allowed Novak to get more run, and they don't win that Mizzou game without him.
Sam leaving still bugs me. He was my favorite player on those teams from the time he got to campus. Decided to leave what would have been a pretty solid legacy at MU. It obviously worked out for him anyway.
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Odartey was tough but it probably allowed Novak to get more run, and they don't win that Mizzou game without him.
Sam leaving still bugs me. He was my favorite player on those teams from the time he got to campus. Decided to leave what would have been a pretty solid legacy at MU. It obviously worked out for him anyway.
I guess it did. But nothing he did at UVA got him to the NBA. He was the same player at UVA, and led a team that was coming off a national title to a first round upset exit. All he really did was delay his NBA career by a year. In a career with a limited earning window, probably not the best thing to do.
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It’s Sam, though his departure hastened the end of the Wojo era. Odartey is probably a close second
Sam stays, no Shaka. No Big East regular season title. No Big East tournament championship. No back to back #2 seeds. No bright future. Instead, a team/program stuck in mediocrity.
His jersey should be hanging in the rafters. His transfer was that essential to our resurrection.
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Sam stays, no Shaka. No Big East regular season title. No Big East tournament championship. No back to back #2 seeds. No bright future. Instead, a team/program stuck in mediocrity.
His jersey should be hanging in the rafters. His transfer was that essential to our resurrection.
The savior. A martyr. Only thing above Jesus Christ to this Jesuit school. Sacrificed so we could survive.
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The savior. A martyr. Only thing above Jesus Christ to this Jesuit school. Sacrificed so we could survive.
LOL. Of course he didn’t do it so we could survive. He did it for himself, to get away from a guy who couldn’t coach effectively at this level (in spite of some thinking he would deliver Duke North). The unintended consequence was Shaka and (finally) a first class program. Lucky us. Thank you Sam.
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Other contenders are Deonte and McKay, Maymon probably Mbakwe
Two of these guys were addition by subtraction. Not going to get into it, but the losses of these two still make me laugh. When I heard one of them was being recruited, I said to a friend "WTF". .The other one shouldn't have been recruited either. The other two I don't know enough about, so can't comment.
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Sam stays. No Big East regular season title.
I mean that's debatable, do Markus, Sam and crew get one standing position better with age minus Joey? I'd say probably. What's not debatable is that we certainly don't get a tournament run with them their senior year either way. Also very likely still a gigantic step down despite a phenomenal class in 2021. then we likely can't get rid of the guy who just went 2nd in BE and followed it with 1st.
All that said it doesn't mean it doesn't hurt seeing him not be an MU guy.
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LOL. Of course he didn’t do it so we could survive. He did it for himself, to get away from a guy who couldn’t coach effectively at this level
Given that he (and his brother) would have stayed at Marquette had Markus gone pro, Sam left to get away from his former roommate and close friend.
Turned out, Sam didn’t really get any more shots at Virginia, nor did he experience any more success.
And had Covid not ended the 2019-20 season early, the teammates and coach Sam left behind at Marquette would have made the NCAA tourney without him.
So not sure how Sam had much to do with Wojo getting the boot 2 years later.
The guys we really should be thanking for Shaka being at Marquette now were the wonderful basketball studs of Abilene Christian. If Texas beats that team, Shaka is probably still there.
Not that any of this matters today, of course.
Ultimately …
Glad Wojo got canned. Glad our alma mater got Shaka. And, yes, glad Sam has taken advantage of a good situation with the Celtics.
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Sam stays, no Shaka. No Big East regular season title. No Big East tournament championship. No back to back #2 seeds. No bright future. Instead, a team/program stuck in mediocrity.
His jersey should be hanging in the rafters. His transfer was that essential to our resurrection.
Yes! Who knew that the Hausergate would lead to getting Shaka and dumping Wojo.
The Hausers living in MU Hall of Fame
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Sam signed that dumb contract. VA education failure.
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I talked to Mom Hauser after the WIAA basketball this year. She could not have been nicer and raved about their time at
MU. I tossed out a line and she refused to take the bait. Complete high road.
Also, she said it kills her to have Sam on the C’s vs. the Bucks “I’ve been a Bucks fan since I was this big”.
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I talked to Mom Hauser after the WIAA basketball this year. She could not have been nicer and raved about their time at
MU. I tossed out a line and she refused to take the bait. Complete high road.
Also, she said it kills her to have Sam on the C’s vs. the Bucks “I’ve been a Bucks fan since I was this big”.
Thanks for the insight, T.L. All that is good to hear. Time often heals old wounds.
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Karon Bradley would have helped as a point guard
Alton Mason. He was reportedly ripping up Hutch in practice but couldn't handle the academics at MU, so Deane made him leave the team after midterms. We would have been tourney team in 1998 if Mason had stayed.
another PG transfer that hurt was DeMarcus Minor. He was reportedly promised the starting PG spot after Hutch left but then Deane recruited Cordell to start over him. He had a nice career at Baylor.
Softening the blow for both though is it led to Deane's departure to the Crean era, but being a student at the time a little more success would have been nice!
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Hausers by far
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Ron Howard wouldn’t have helped in 2003, but he ended up 2nd team all conference at Valpo for two years and is the 5th leading scorer in D League history. He would have helped the perimeter defense that was ranked in 171 and 182 in 2004/2005.
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Though not a transfer the most painful departure was Chones, 2nd to none.
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Ron Howard wouldn’t have helped in 2003, but he ended up 2nd team all conference at Valpo for two years and is the 5th leading scorer in D League history. He would have helped the perimeter defense that was ranked in 171 and 182 in 2004/2005.
Plus, he could have done all the video board voiceovers.
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Though not a transfer the most painful departure was Chones, 2nd to none.
Excellent point. Marquette went 49-1 with Chones. His early departure may have cost Al another Naty.
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I think it's Mbakwe. Granted, he wasn't always healthy, but he ended up averaging a double-double at Minnesota a couple years later. He would have given the 2008-09 team some sorely needed extra muscle down low.