4-31 from 3

[PorkysButthole]

Porky is too lazy to look it up but that had to be our worst 3PT %age of the season no?  Quite possibly MU's worst 3PT %age in the last decade if not ever.

[Uncle Rico]

Porky is too lazy to look it up but that had to be our worst 3PT %age of the season no?

Is this true?

[muhoops1]

12.9% from three may be the worst shooting percentage for a long time.

[Johnny B]

It’s just not reall it’s not. Can’t be

[WolfganghisKhan]

Our offensive gameplan is layups or 3s. They took away the layups and we missed 3s

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Porky is too lazy to look it up but that had to be our worst 3PT %age of the season no?  Quite possibly MU's worst 3PT %age in the last decade if not ever.

Looked it up. Worst single game 3P% since February 14, 2021 when we went 3/25 (12%) in a 57-51 loss to Seton Hall.

[willie warrior]

4 for 31 is only acceptable in CYO BB.  Shaka needs to bring in 2 consistent 3 point players.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Said before the game that as long as Marquette does not shoot the 5-31 from 3 as we did against Butler this year that Marquette would win. Said we will not do that again and we will beat NCState. Was wrong ugh.

[GOO]

Said before the game that as long as Marquette does not shoot the 5-31 from 3 as we did against Butler this year that Marquette would win. Said we will not do that again and we will beat NCState. Was wrong ugh.

I think an anomaly shooting is normally the fear of any team that isn’t a UConn with multiple big men. Even a Purdue. These type of games happen often enough, they are not unicorns for any team, and they are tough to overcome when it happens. The fact that we were able to actually have a shot at winning in the game under 5 minutes was amazing. Could have pulled out a win if we shoot our statistically norm towards the end.

The question is why and there is no great explanation, that I have:

Maybe it is pure stats. A player or two often have off nights, sometimes it will be more than a player or two on the same night. Maybe no need to look further- it is simple math and the law of basketball stats. Accept and move on.  Works in reverse also, sometimes many players on a team shoot lights out on the same night. Fans are dancing at how great the team is… but it’s an aberration.

Or, Start statistically poor, but shooting should revert to mean, but psychologically players start to think and press and tighten up and miss more and more. A virus that infects the host and spreads to the other players.

Combination of the above. I don’t know but it happens many times during a tournament to all sorts of teams, too bad it happened to us. But this is not a unicorn. It is not normal but happens often enough. Fans need to accept this as part of basketball.

My final grade is an A-   Team did really well all year, overcame injuries, but disappointing we didn’t make it a step further. But many teams are dissatisfied that they should have made it a step further. That’s how it works. That is the tournament. More often than not your team that should have could have will end up on the loosing side of the fence earlier than you expect. Unless your a UConn and those teams don’t come around that often, maybe once in a decade.

Embrace this as part of college ball. Your team, no matter what name is on the jersey will have these types of games, and will loose sooner than they should in the tournament. Unless you have a UConn type of team and that ain’t often. So fans, grow on your mindset or you’ll continue to be sad in March and April. Shaka can break through, but it won’t be easy. 

[burger]

Try watching NCST/Duke and think about what transpire.....Got to be very difficult being a player today.....

Opportunity lost......

These teams are not better than us....

[NickelDimer]

Try watching NCST/Duke and think about what transpire.....Got to be very difficult being a player today.....

Opportunity lost......

These teams are not better than us....

Once Shead went down it was pretty obvious we blew an incredibly realistic chance at a FF

[Mu8891]

Exactly ^

MU blew a real chance at the FF.  It really sucks …. Looks like NC ST is going to take out Duke

[WolfganghisKhan]

Exactly ^

MU blew a real chance at the FF.  It really sucks …. Looks like NC ST is going to take out Duke

Last year we would’ve needed to beat a 15, 7, 3 and a 9. This year 15, 10, 11, 4.

Can’t dream of a better bracket back to back years

[MU82]

Duke was 2-for-16 from 3 yesterday until Jared McCain hit 3 meaningless treys in the final 1:08. They finished 5-for-20. Going into the game, Duke was at .380 from 3 this season.

Going into our game against NC State, we were at .360 for the season.

Going into the ACC tournament, NC State's opponents made .351 of their 3s; during their 9-game winning streak, opponents have made .284; in the NCAAT, opponents have hit at a .239 clip.

As was the case with the 3s we missed, I did not see that Duke was missing because of consistently incredible 3-point defense being played by NC State.

Many seasons, a team has a horseshoe up its arse in the postseason. This year, that team has been NC State.

Dammit.

[Shooter McGavin]

Just keep making the tournament every year and the tide will change sin MUs favor. 

[ATWizJr]

Try watching NCST/Duke and think about what transpire.....Got to be very difficult being a player today.....

Opportunity lost......

These teams are not better than us....

Then posters here wonder why some of us are members of the COLE and then scold us for it. Pessimism is sometimes warranted.

[MU82]

Then posters here wonder why some of us are members of the COLE and then scold us for it. Pessimism is sometimes warranted.

Waiting for an anvil to fall on your head is a real fun way to go through life. Congrats!

[ATWizJr]

Waiting for an anvil to fall on your head is a real fun way to go through life. Congrats!

Waiting for Santa cuz you just know he’s bringing you that Natty is delusional. This year, a lost opportunity. Maybe next year Santa? 

[Doo]

This statistic is mind numbing…

https://x.com/john_fanta/status/1773913587347554468?s=61&t=gZBoYi_VDczg3gU8mzZwuA

From Fox Sports Research: Marquette went 4-of-31 on three-pointers tonight (12.9%), the 1,331st instance of a team attempting 30+ threes in a game this season in Division-I

Only one of those teams shot a lower percentage than Marquette (Furman, shot 12.1% vs Chattanooga Jan 6).

[MU82]

Waiting for Santa cuz you just know he’s bringing you that Natty is delusional. This year, a lost opportunity. Maybe next year Santa?

Nobody said that. Enjoy being a pessimist in life. It sounds like fun.

[ATWizJr]

Nobody said that. Enjoy being a pessimist in life. It sounds like fun.

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Hope springs eternal… but dreaming is free. Keep on dreaming.

[MU82]

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Hope springs eternal… but dreaming is free. Keep on dreaming.

What you're saying is that you knew all along this entire season that North Carolina State was just sandbagging its way to becoming a Final Four team ... but that anybody who thought Marquette, a #2 seed, had a legit shot at the Final Four was "dreaming."

[ATWizJr]

What you're saying is that you knew all along this entire season that North Carolina State was just sandbagging its way to becoming a Final Four team ... but that anybody who thought Marquette, a #2 seed, had a legit shot at the Final Four was "dreaming."

No. I’m saying that people who questioned the team’s ceiling were often mocked as being part of the COLE when in reality they were right.

[brewcity77]

No. I’m saying that people who questioned the team’s ceiling were often mocked as being part of the COLE when in reality they were right.

No they weren't. This team did not reach their ceiling.

[ATWizJr]

No they weren't. This team did not reach their ceiling.
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[ATWizJr]

No they weren't. This team did not reach their ceiling.

[ATWizJr]

By definition, they did. Two years in a row.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

No they weren't. This team did not reach their ceiling.

IDK. I come away from this season feeling that they won a bunch of good games early, but once the calendar turned to 2024 really didn't beat anyone notable. I guess you are ultimately right that they didn't reach their ceiling, but I don't think they fell that far short.

[The Equalizer]

This statistic is mind numbing…

https://x.com/john_fanta/status/1773913587347554468?s=61&t=gZBoYi_VDczg3gU8mzZwuA

From Fox Sports Research: Marquette went 4-of-31 on three-pointers tonight (12.9%), the 1,331st instance of a team attempting 30+ threes in a game this season in Division-I

Only one of those teams shot a lower percentage than Marquette (Furman, shot 12.1% vs Chattanooga Jan 6).

The two things that hurt us in the game against NC State were the two potential weaknesses identified at the end of last season when Shaka still had a chance to recruit from the portal:  lack of depth inside and limited 3-point scoring options.  Rather than bring in experienced players from the portal to shore up those potential issues, Shaka chose to use his five available scholarships on non-contributors to build his 2025 and 2026 roster.

In the era of instant multiple transfer eligibility, every available scholarship should have been used to help win THIS season.  And helping us win means you have additional options for those nights that your regulars are having an off night. 

This year's shot at a Final Four and National Championship was effectively lost when Shaka decided to stand pat with his 8 returning players without making any moves to improve the roster.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

This year's shot at a Final Four and National Championship was effectively lost when Shaka decided to stand pat with his 8 returning players without making any moves to improve the roster.

If they would have shot their normal percentage from 3, they would have gone 10/31 and won the game easy. The problem wasn't the roster - the problem was the roster underperformed.

Furthermore, you have no idea what the impact of a transfer would have meant in all sorts of other ways.

When it comes down to it, I trust Shaka and Co. when it comes to building the team.

[WolfganghisKhan]

The two things that hurt us in the game against NC State were the two potential weaknesses identified at the end of last season when Shaka still had a chance to recruit from the portal:  lack of depth inside and limited 3-point scoring options.  Rather than bring in experienced players from the portal to shore up those potential issues, Shaka chose to use his five available scholarships on non-contributors to build his 2025 and 2026 roster.

In the era of instant multiple transfer eligibility, every available scholarship should have been used to help win THIS season.  And helping us win means you have additional options for those nights that your regulars are having an off night. 

This year's shot at a Final Four and National Championship was effectively lost when Shaka decided to stand pat with his 8 returning players without making any moves to improve the roster.

Go off king!!!!

[ATWizJr]

If they would have shot their normal percentage from 3, they would have gone 10/31 and won the game easy. The problem wasn't the roster - the problem was the roster underperformed.

Furthermore, you have no idea what the impact of a transfer would have meant in all sorts of other ways.

When it comes down to it, I trust Shaka and Co. when it comes to building the team.

When you have a chance to be Champs you should pull out all the stops and make any moves you need to to win NOW.  Sitting tight has resulted in where we are today. 

If not this year with an All American point guard, four returning starters and many role players then you'll be hard pressed to be in a better position to challenge for at least a final four in the foreseeable future. 

Don't like the portal?  Wasn't Kolek a transfer?

Building the team to win? When, if not this year?

[Its DJOver]

If you "pull out all the stops and make any moves you need to win now", do you still have "four returning starters and many role players"?

Shaka looked at the portal last offseason, Shaka pursued players in the portal last offseason, Shaka did not land any players from the portal last offseason. The last statement being true does not mean the first two aren't. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

When you have a chance to be Champs you should pull out all the stops and make any moves you need to to win NOW.  Sitting tight has resulted in where we are today. 

If not this year with an All American point guard, four returning starters and many role players then you'll be hard pressed to be in a better position to challenge for at least a final four in the foreseeable future. 

Don't like the portal?  Wasn't Kolek a transfer?

Building the team to win? When, if not this year?

Again, you have no idea if sitting tight resulted in where we are today.

This isn't fantasy college basketball where you can just add whomever and assume it will play out accordingly. It may have. It may not have.

But I trust Shaka to make that decision more than any Scoopers.

[ATWizJr]

Again, you have no idea if sitting tight resulted in where we are today.

This isn't fantasy college basketball where you can just add whomever and assume it will play out accordingly. It may have. It may not have.

But I trust Shaka to make that decision more than any Scoopers.

 

Two things are undeniable:  1. We sat tight . 2. We are where we are today.  You are denying reality.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Two things are undeniable:  1. We sat tight . 2. We are where we are today.  You are denying reality.

Correlation is not necessarily causation. You are engaging in poor logic.

[MU82]

 

Two things are undeniable:  1. We sat tight . 2. We are where we are today.  You are denying reality.

One thing is undeniable: By sitting tight, Shaka put Marquette in a favorable position to contend for a national title. His roster put is in a position similar to those of North Carolina, Arizona, Houston and Iowa State. Pretty good company. Either that, or just a bunch of abject failures, every single one.

But I'm glad that, back on March 1, you foresaw North Carolina State getting to the Final Four because of the amazing roster that Kevin Keatts put together. You knew it way before anybody else did, and you went on NCSUScoop to share your brilliant prediction. Congrats!

[NickelDimer]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with criticizing Shaka not shoring up the roster through the portal. Once Omax was gone we had a big void in the starting lineup that pretty obviously wasn’t going to be filled by Joplin.

[brewcity77]

O-Max was our best defender, yet our defense got better when he left. We're bemoaning shooting when we shot pretty much the same from three as last year.

Kansas' magic shooting fix was Nick Timberlake, how'd that work? Michigan loaded up with Olivier Nkamhoua, one of the best O-Max replacements in the portal, how did they finish?

There's no way to know how those moves would've worked here, but that's the point. We'll never know if those moves would make us better, the same, or worse.

As far as our next shot, it's next year. And while some Scoopers might say that's not possible, that's what we heard when Justin & Morsell left too. All we can do is trust the program and process.

[MU82]

O-Max was our best defender, yet our defense got better when he left. We're bemoaning shooting when we shot pretty much the same from three as last year.

Kansas' magic shooting fix was Nick Timberlake, how'd that work? Michigan loaded up with Olivier Nkamhoua, one of the best O-Max replacements in the portal, how did they finish?

There's no way to know how those moves would've worked here, but that's the point. We'll never know if those moves would make us better, the same, or worse.

As far as our next shot, it's next year. And while some Scoopers might say that's not possible, that's what we heard when Justin & Morsell left too. All we can do is trust the program and process.

Yep.

We had plenty of shooting. We just needed our shooters to do only a little better than 4-for-31. We go 8-for-31 - still a sucky .258 - and we almost surely win. I mean, Duke is one of the best shooting teams in the country, and they just went 2-for-16 until 1:10 remained in the game, after which they threw in three meaningless 3s. Sometimes the shots don't go in, dammit.

I have very few criticisms of Shaka, and the slight ones I have do not revolve around roster composition or playing time.

[NickelDimer]

If you don’t think we matchup better with NC State if we had an Omax level starter in place of Joplin we can agree to disagree.

Now maybe that player wasn’t available but that’s a different conversation…

[MuMark]

The Bucks are one of the better 3 point shooting teams in the NBA……..they are currently 5-27 and counting tonight……

Wide open look after wide open look……

[SaveOD238]

The Bucks are one of the vested 3 point shooting teams in the NBA……..they are currently 5-27 and counting tonight……

Wide open look after wide open look……

And even 40% shooters miss 60% of the time.  Probability dictates that every once in a while those misses will all come in a row, like flipping tails 27 times out of 31.  It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

It just happened to Marquette on the biggest stage.

(Also, I'm 100% in on this over-inflated balls theory)

[ATWizJr]

The Bucks are one of the vested 3 point shooting teams in the NBA……..they are currently 5-27 and counting tonight……

Wide open look after wide open look……

. Meaningless since Lillard isn’t playing. Currently 24%.

[MuMark]

https://x.com/seangrandepbp/status/1776478728844869804?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw

[Lennys Tap]

https://x.com/seangrandepbp/status/1776478728844869804?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw

Bird, Tatum, S Jones, etc. - Sam in some pretty good company!

[PointWarrior]

https://x.com/seangrandepbp/status/1776478728844869804?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw

Waiting for Herm’s excellent report on this in the Hauser thread in the Superbar.

[wadesworld]

18 shots?! Markus rubbed off on him years later.

[TSmith34, Inc.]