Big East Non Conference Results

[tower912]

Agree that inconsistency in November is fine, and that Nova has a lot of new guys to acclimate, but I’m  not so sure that they’ll be fine. I guess it depends on what “fine” is.

 Only went 8 men deep, with no contributions from the bench (4 points).  With the talent they had last year, they could get away with that- not this year.  They’ll still be good, and I think they finish top 3 in conference and top 25 overall.  But they are not a top 10 team.

And Quinerly is in Wright’s doghouse- has not demonstrated any buy-in to Nova’s culture.  He has had several DNP coach’s decisions, including today.

So, sitting a 5 star guard who does not live up to the culture the coach is trying to create.  Sure, Wright has equity.  But this is what coaches do.

[Goose]

fjm
My guess is ‘nova boards is probably filled with young fans as well. I am sure some were concerned on Scoop, but anyone that follows the sport knew otherwise.

[wadesworld]

Wades
No one was very concerned over ‘nova. In addition, they get about 15-20 games before they could be written off. MU had, and has a chance, to make early season statement after being irrelevant on the national scene for a half decade. Your hype for the season had many expecting an exciting November. Your enthusiasm was not matched by play on the court in November.

Not sure what you’re talking about. My hype for the season had many expecting an exciting November? They were misreading what I was posting then. Both my season game by game predictions and my game prediction contest predictions had us sitting at 4-2 at this point with losses at IU and to Kansas. So if people were excited about the season because of what I was saying then they should still be excited about this season, as they are exactly where I “hyped” them to be at this point.

[fjm]

fjm
My guess is ‘nova boards is probably filled with young fans as well. I am sure some were concerned on Scoop, but anyone that follows the sport knew otherwise.

fair 

[Goose]

Wades

They have stunk thus far. They stepped on their Johnson and disappointed some folks on here. You are holding serve on your prediction and I hope you are right. Aside from you, I think most are at least mildly disappointed thus far.

[wadesworld]

Wades

They have stunk thus far. They stepped on their Johnson and disappointed some folks on here. You are holding serve on your prediction and I hope you are right. Aside from you, I think most are at least mildly disappointed thus far.

Fair enough. As you like to say, “anyone who follows the sport” would understand that MU got punched in the mouth at one of the top 5 toughest arenas to play in the country with a soon to be millionaire playing like the pro he is soon to be. That was far from surprising given that it was our first real game of the season. And then we went almost 10 minutes without scoring and still competed with the best team in the country on a neutral court. November basketball. Sometimes you go through a rough stretch in a game against very good teams.

[tower912]

Wades

They have stunk thus far. They stepped on their Johnson and disappointed some folks on here. You are holding serve on your prediction and I hope you are right. Aside from you, I think most are at least mildly disappointed thus far.

The team is where is should be, record-wise.  The only negative surprise was the margin at Assembly Hall. 

[Goose]

Tower
Agreed on record. I was hoping that a program that has done nothing for a half decade might come out a tad better. IMO, it has not been a showing to create much excitement, and that is disappointing.

[MuMark]

The team is where is should be, record-wise.  The only negative surprise was the margin at Assembly Hall.

Yep......I recall MU playing horribly in a first round NCAA tourney game vs Davidson......needed basically a miracle to win......."hey look a miracle! ".   Let's bitch and moan about how lucky we got.....we were the Big East Champs....it shouldn't have been close....but it was.....we almost lost......but we didn't......we won.....then we won a hard fought game that could have gone either way against Butler.......blew out Miami.....and made the elite 8 before laying an egg against Cuse.

We could have easily been out in the first round......but we survived.....another day we might not have.

You would think that after watching college basketball for many years people would realize that the difference in talent is not as extreme as it once was between teams  like .....I don't know....Virginia.....and UMBC.....

We can beat good teams....they can beat us......if we play bad....bad teams can beat us.....Crean, Buzz and Wojo have all lost to bad teams.....so has  Bo Ryan....and Jay Wright.

How about just enjoy the wins and not act like every bad performance is the end of the world? 

[Herman Cain]

Agree that inconsistency in November is fine, and that Nova has a lot of new guys to acclimate, but I’m  not so sure that they’ll be fine. I guess it depends on what “fine” is.

 Only went 8 men deep, with no contributions from the bench (4 points).  With the talent they had last year, they could get away with that- not this year.  They’ll still be good, and I think they finish top 3 in conference and top 25 overall.  But they are not a top 10 team.

And Quinerly is in Wright’s doghouse- has not demonstrated any buy-in to Nova’s culture.  He has had several DNP coach’s decisions, including today.

I was impressed with Villanova today for several reasons. They were playing for the tournament championship against a very athletic FSU in what was essentially  a road game. Villanova was true to their fundamental strengths. On defense they used their length and competed very well. Offensively , they ran their plays until they got high quality looks. They did not have to rely on the 3.

I agree  Villanova is not deep, however they are making up for that with everyone playing smart basketball. They have a couple of upsides from here. First, when Cremo recovers from that injury and can get rid of that mask, I think he will be much better and open things up for the big men. Second, Gillespie is doing a very good job, so they have the luxury of slowly working Quinerly into their style of play. If they can get anything at all out of Quinerely, it is going to be very helpful.

Nova has four big 5 games in row coming up, starting next Saturday against LaSalle and Traci Carter . After that they face Kansas on the road in Lawrence which should provide a good examination of where they are as a team.

[Newsdreams]

I was impressed with Villanova today for several reasons. They were playing for the tournament championship against a very athletic FSU in what was essentially  a road game. Villanova was true to their fundamental strengths. On defense they used their length and competed very well. Offensively , they ran their plays until they got high quality looks. They did not have to rely on the 3.

I agree  Villanova is not deep, however they are making up for that with everyone playing smart basketball. They have a couple of upsides from here. First, when Cremo recovers from that injury and can get rid of that mask, I think he will be much better and open things up for the big men. Second, Gillespie is doing a very good job, so they have the luxury of slowly working Quinerly into their style of play. If they can get anything at all out of Quinerely, it is going to be very helpful.

Nova has four big 5 games in row coming up, starting next Saturday against LaSalle and Traci Carter . After that they face Kansas on the road in Lawrence which should provide a good examination of where they are as a team.

Neck assessment?

[Herman Cain]

The Hall and The U tied 45 45 at the half.  Hopefully the Pirates can bring home another Big East win. 

[Lennys Tap]

Yep......I recall MU playing horribly in a first round NCAA tourney game vs Davidson......needed basically a miracle to win......."hey look a miracle! ".   Let's bitch and moan about how lucky we got.....we were the Big East Champs....it shouldn't have been close....but it was.....we almost lost......but we didn't......we won.....then we won a hard fought game that could have gone either way against Butler.......blew out Miami.....and made the elite 8 before laying an egg against Cuse.

We could have easily been out in the first round......but we survived.....another day we might not have.

You would think that after watching college basketball for many years people would realize that the difference in talent is not as extreme as it once was between teams  like .....I don't know....Virginia.....and UMBC.....

We can beat good teams....they can beat us......if we play bad....bad teams can beat us.....Crean, Buzz and Wojo have all lost to bad teams.....so has  Bo Ryan....and Jay Wright.

How about just enjoy the wins and not act like every bad performance is the end of the world?

This is 100% correct, every coach loses to bad teams and beats good teams. The key is to do the former infrequently and the latter often. Wojo has some work to do in that area before I would put him in a group with Wright, Buzz or TC - hope this year turns out to be the beginning.

[Herman Cain]

Big Win for The Hall over The U. Their team looked very solid tonight.

[MUBigDance]

Things looking better for BE with Hall and Nova quality wins tonight. I’m feeling better about it.

MU needs minimum 1 win out of UW, BUF, KSU

[BM1090]

Things looking better for BE with Hall and Nova quality wins tonight. I’m feeling better about it.

MU needs minimum 1 win out of UW, BUF, KSU

Really need 2 to feel good. I think we get Buffalo and one of the other two. Really do have a chance at all 3

[LloydsLegs]

Yep......I recall MU playing horribly in a first round NCAA tourney game vs Davidson......needed basically a miracle to win......."hey look a miracle! ".   Let's bitch and moan about how lucky we got.....we were the Big East Champs....it shouldn't have been close....but it was.....we almost lost......but we didn't......we won.....then we won a hard fought game that could have gone either way against Butler.......blew out Miami.....and made the elite 8 before laying an egg against Cuse.

We could have easily been out in the first round......but we survived.....another day we might not have.

You would think that after watching college basketball for many years people would realize that the difference in talent is not as extreme as it once was between teams  like .....I don't know....Virginia.....and UMBC.....

We can beat good teams....they can beat us......if we play bad....bad teams can beat us.....Crean, Buzz and Wojo have all lost to bad teams.....so has  Bo Ryan....and Jay Wright.

How about just enjoy the wins and not act like every bad performance is the end of the world?

And don’t forget 2003 first round vs. Holy Cross.  And 1977 2nd round vs. K State.  And 1974 Regionalfinal v Michigan.  All of those runs could easily have ended sooner.


And we all could name a few heartbreaking tourney losses.

[Galway Eagle]

And don’t forget 2003 first round vs. Holy Cross.  And 1977 2nd round vs. K State.  And 1974 Regionalfinal v Michigan.  All of those runs could easily have ended sooner.


And we all could name a few heartbreaking tourney losses.

So we switch those 4 runs with wins in 02, 08, 09, 10. 69, 71 (those are the painful close ones I remembered off the top of my head) and are we better or worse as a program?

[Herman Cain]

https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2018/11/26/seton-hall-basketball-miami-wooden-legacy/2107677002/

[Herman Cain]

Villanova back in AP top 25. No MU votes. Creighton and St. Johns also received votes.  Seton Hall win happened late last night, and some voters may have already voted as Miami still received votes. 

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll

[Herman Cain]

Villanova 23 in coaches poll. Creighton Butler and The Johnnies also received votes. Big opportunity this week for Creighton as they face number 1 Gonzaga on Saturday at home in Omaha.

[Herman Cain]

Big East Number 1 Conference in Realtime RPI as of tonight. Obviously the NET ranking is what matters but this is a helpful point of reference.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

[Bocephys]

Big East Number 1 Conference in Realtime RPI as of tonight. Obviously the NET ranking is what matters but this is a helpful point of reference.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

Conference USA is #1 in NET.  We never should have bailed...

[Mr. Nielsen]

4 Big East games tonight. TV schedule is pinned on the top of the board. Enjoy!

[muguru]

Here's what gets me, and I don't want to speak for Goose on this, but I think he'd probably agree. We have heard ad nauseum about this being Wojo's best, most talented team in 5 years..and I agree with that. However, all he's going to have to do is make it in the tourney with better than a 10 seed, and people can and will say "see, this WAS Wojo's best team ever". Not hardly...if this team(Wojo's most talented/best team) gets in the NCAA's, with anything LESS than a 4-5 seed, it was a COLOSSAL disappointment, and to think anything other than that, you are just blind, or always love being one who wants to say the "naysayers" were wrong. 5 seed or higher, or it IS a HUGE disappointment. No other way to put it.