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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: mu_hilltopper on July 07, 2021, 11:19:20 AM
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Curious if any Scoopers out there have an electric vehicle..
Question .. where do you charge it? I assume at home, 99% of the time.
What would be the occasion you'd use a charging station, besides long distance travel?
Like .. if you were going to a mall that had an EV station, would you use it? If there was a restaurant with a station, would you eat there? etc.
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Curious if any Scoopers out there have an electric vehicle..
Question .. where do you charge it? I assume at home, 99% of the time.
What would be the occasion you'd use a charging station, besides long distance travel?
Like .. if you were going to a mall that had an EV station, would you use it? If there was a restaurant with a station, would you eat there? etc.
I don't have an EV. But I've done weeks/months worth of reading/research as I'm getting into the market next year. Multiple friends of ours have one.
Charge at home 99% of the time. Charge on the road for road trips.
Otherwise, I can't envision a scenario where you'd need it unless you forgot to plug-in at home multiple days in a row. Or you bought an EV with a super short range.
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I have a hybrid. Real charge at home, but I often charge in parking lots and garages--usually a couple of hours free, and always a great space.
Only get around 20 to 25 miles per charge, which covers my round trip commute and most driving around town. At least in the summer (only get around 10 to 12 miles on very cold days). The last three summers I have made it on one tank of gas.
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We don't have one yet, but plan to with our next purchase. We had them install an EV plug in the garage when our solar panels were put on last year.
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We don't have one yet, but plan to with our next purchase. We had them install an EV plug in the garage when our solar panels were put on last year.
Just wired to 220? Or is there a universal EV plug that exists that all models are utilizing?
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Just wired to 220? Or is there a universal EV plug that exists that all models are utilizing?
220, 221... whatever it takes.
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I have a hybrid. Real charge at home, but I often charge in parking lots and garages--usually a couple of hours free, and always a great space.
Only get around 20 to 25 miles per charge, which covers my round trip commute and most driving around town. At least in the summer (only get around 10 to 12 miles on very cold days). The last three summers I have made it on one tank of gas.
Fusion energi?
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https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36876962/20-questions-about-evs/
Timely
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I don't have an EV. But I've done weeks/months worth of reading/research as I'm getting into the market next year. Multiple friends of ours have one.
Charge at home 99% of the time. Charge on the road for road trips.
Otherwise, I can't envision a scenario where you'd need it unless you forgot to plug-in at home multiple days in a row. Or you bought an EV with a super short range.
What are you looking at, jes?
I'm driving a 10 1/2 year old SUV now and am thinking I'd like to buy something by year's end. I'm considering everything -- EVs, plug-in hybrids, hybrids and regular ICE vehicles ... but I'd prefer either an EV or a plug-in hybrid if I can get what I want at an acceptable price, especially if it qualifies for a federal tax credit.
I've done a little research but so far the ones I like best, like the Volvo plug-in hybrid SUV, are outrageously priced. Hyundai is coming out with a plug-in hybrid version of the Santa Fe later this year, and I'm intrigued by that. I'd be all over the Ford F-150 EV if I felt I could actually get one I'd like for under 50K, but fat chance of that. I don't need a truck anyway; just like the idea of it!
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Curious if any Scoopers out there have an electric vehicle..
Question .. where do you charge it? I assume at home, 99% of the time.
What would be the occasion you'd use a charging station, besides long distance travel?
Like .. if you were going to a mall that had an EV station, would you use it? If there was a restaurant with a station, would you eat there? etc.
I don't have an EV, but my daughter and her husband have a Tesla Model X. They charge it right in their garage using a regular outlet. Plug it in when whoever drove it comes home at night, and it's good to go with a full charge the next morning. Tesla sells a quick-charge device but they decided they don't need it. My daughter said she "filled up" at a charging station only once but it's definitely an option for them if they ever need it. They live in Seattle, so the charging stations are prevalent, and some merchants make them available to use for free.
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I too am in the camp for my next car, but may be awhile still.
What EVs are people looking at? The Tesla Model Y checks a lot of boxes, and while not a “pickup” guy, the new F150, which be used as a generator and actually power your house or whatever is very very cool. https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/
I imagine they will eventually put the same/similar tech into the Escape, Explorer, if that’s the case, Ford may be my choice.
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Just don't become one of those insufferable EV owners.
My friend got one a couple of years ago, and that's all she ever talks about.
All of her social media posts are retweets of articles about EVs or pictures of her charging her Tesla in various places.
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Guessin' eye'm knot woke enough, hey?
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Guessin' eye'm knot woke enough, hey?
Buying gas guzzlers to own the libs.
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The new Hummer is all EV.
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The Big plus with EVs is low maintenance. The down side for me is any thing that takes more than 3 minutes ( time to fill up my Odyssey ) to charge and not get about 300 miles range is a deal breaker. In my development there a quit a few families with 2-3 cars in the driveway and many cars parked on the street. That is a lot of extension cords I or small children just might trip over if they were all EVs. Also a federal mandate that all EVs must have a special connector that indicates the power being used is for an EV so the power can be taxed similar to the gasoline tax.
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Fusion energi?
Plug in hybrid (regenerative with braking too)
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220, 221... whatever it takes.
well done
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Legs looks pretty snappy in his beret, driving his ‘Lectric car. 🤣
I won’t own one for a while, but the 0-60 you get in a high end Tesla or a new mustang is impressive.
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I don't have an EV, but my daughter and her husband have a Tesla Model X. They charge it right in their garage using a regular outlet. Plug it in when whoever drove it comes home at night, and it's good to go with a full charge the next morning. Tesla sells a quick-charge device but they decided they don't need it. My daughter said she "filled up" at a charging station only once but it's definitely an option for them if they ever need it. They live in Seattle, so the charging stations are prevalent, and some merchants make them available to use for free.
That would be normal question to people. Do they just plug in nightly? If so, the complaints about filling up seem hollow to me. If I had a gas station in my driveway, my normal ICE wouldn't ever get below half, short of long trips.
Same for the argument about range. My dad, as an engineer, thinks Teslas and the like are super cool. But the older school in him thinks they aren't practical because of range. But even at a conservative 300 mile range, that takes me from Milwaukee to ORD nearly 2 full round trips. I can get to almost Detroit on a single charge. I havent driven more than 350 miles on more than a SUPER rare basis since I was in college outside Cincinnati. I just feel like its a convenient crutch to rebel against EVs without taking into account most driver, especially younger driver, behavior.
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Curious if any Scoopers out there have an electric vehicle..
No.
But, we are only a few months away from becoming a Buick/GMC/Hummer dealership. While I am nowhere near the person in charge, I do know an initial deposit on our (10?) charging stations was due by June 30. My mindless salesman quarterly training that was just released also has several lessons regarding EV vehicles.
Also-- related to the Used Car Market thread-- two weeks ago I sold a 2017 Chevy Bolt with about 30k miles. The Bolt was originally a lease, and we bought it via auction last November for about $15k.
We originally had the Bolt listed for $17,986, but shortly after we got it there was an open recall on the vehicle, (I think they were starting themselves on fire), so we had to sit on it from November until the recall was fixed about a month ago. We sold it two weeks ago for $22k-- $7,000 profit and $4k more than we had it listed for in the Fall. It is a very, very weird time to be selling cars.
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Buying gas guzzlers to own the libs.
I'd prefer they just refuse to take the vaccine to own the libs rather than taking us down with them.
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I have watched literally hours of videos on EVs over the last few years. I have read lots of articles, blogs and forum posts. I have ridden in, driven or test drove the following:
Model 3 SR+, LR
Model Y LR, Performance
Model S 90D
Kona EV
Soul EV
Volt
Bolt
Etron
ID4
Mach E
I currently drive an Accord Hybrid. Ultimately, I'm going to be getting a KIA EV6.
If anyone cares, I'll explain why that particular vehicle vs Model Y/ID4/Ioniq 5/Q4 Etron/Mach E
I'm very interested in a Santa Fe PHEV (or other PHEV SUV) for the wife in a couple years.
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I have a fleet of four gasoline powered motor vehicles. They range from 127,000 miles (my 2011 Buick Enclave) to a BMW 5 series with 35,000 miles.
My hunch is I’ll give up petroleum when an electric vehicle can routinely go about 450 miles on a charge and a quick full charge can be done in 30 to 45 minutes. Until then, Give me Chevron or give me death!
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I have a fleet of four gasoline powered motor vehicles. They range from 127,000 miles (my 2011 Buick Enclave) to a BMW 5 series with 35,000 miles.
My hunch is I’ll give up petroleum when an electric vehicle can routinely go about 450 miles on a charge and a quick full charge can be done in 30 to 45 minutes. Until then, Give me Chevron or give me death!
How often are you driving 450 miles at one time?
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I currently drive an Accord Hybrid. Ultimately, I'm going to be getting a KIA EV6.
If anyone cares, I'll explain why that particular vehicle vs Model Y/ID4/Ioniq 5/Q4 Etron/Mach E
I’d be interested to hear. Kia has come a long ways but I’d not be keen to pay $40-50K for one. And I also think the EV6 looks like a knock off Tesla personally
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I too am in the camp for my next car, but may be awhile still.
What EVs are people looking at? The Tesla Model Y checks a lot of boxes, and while not a “pickup” guy, the new F150, which be used as a generator and actually power your house or whatever is very very cool. https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/
I imagine they will eventually put the same/similar tech into the Escape, Explorer, if that’s the case, Ford may be my choice.
If that's your baseline, cross-shop ID4, Mach E, Q4 etron, EV6, Ioniq 5
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The new Hummer is all EV.
Got $120k to spend?
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The Big plus with EVs is low maintenance. The down side for me is any thing that takes more than 3 minutes ( time to fill up my Odyssey ) to charge and not get about 300 miles range is a deal breaker. In my development there a quit a few families with 2-3 cars in the driveway and many cars parked on the street. That is a lot of extension cords I or small children just might trip over if they were all EVs. Also a federal mandate that all EVs must have a special connector that indicates the power being used is for an EV so the power can be taxed similar to the gasoline tax.
How often do you drive 300 miles at once? And speed of charging is overrated unless you're unable to charge at home
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I have watched literally hours of videos on EVs over the last few years. I have read lots of articles, blogs and forum posts. I have ridden in, driven or test drove the following:
Model 3 SR+, LR
Model Y LR, Performance
Model S 90D
Kona EV
Soul EV
Volt
Bolt
Etron
ID4
Mach E
I currently drive an Accord Hybrid. Ultimately, I'm going to be getting a KIA EV6.
If anyone cares, I'll explain why that particular vehicle vs Model Y/ID4/Ioniq 5/Q4 Etron/Mach E
I'm very interested in a Santa Fe PHEV (or other PHEV SUV) for the wife in a couple years.
I'd be curious to hear why you've chosen the EV6. It doesn't come out till next year and it's gonna go for at least 60K, right?
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I’d be interested to hear. Kia has come a long ways but I’d not be keen to pay $40-50K for one. And I also think the EV6 looks like a knock off Tesla personally
For me, the outside of EV6 has a lot more personality than a Tesla. And the inside is anything but "minimalistic".
$40-50k is about average for a decent (not bottom of the barrel (Bolt) and not luxury (IPace)) EV at this time
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For those worried about running out of juice on long trips ... that's one of the pros about plug-in hybrids. They have an electric range of anywhere from 18-30 miles, so most quick trips, and even a lot of round-trip commutes will be all electric. But if you need to go further, it seamlessly converts to a hybrid gas engine.
So 95% of the time you can use electric, but for the big trips you're golden.
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No.
But, we are only a few months away from becoming a Buick/GMC/Hummer dealership. While I am nowhere near the person in charge, I do know an initial deposit on our (10?) charging stations was due by June 30. My mindless salesman quarterly training that was just released also has several lessons regarding EV vehicles.
Also-- related to the Used Car Market thread-- two weeks ago I sold a 2017 Chevy Bolt with about 30k miles. The Bolt was originally a lease, and we bought it via auction last November for about $15k.
We originally had the Bolt listed for $17,986, but shortly after we got it there was an open recall on the vehicle, (I think they were starting themselves on fire), so we had to sit on it from November until the recall was fixed about a month ago. We sold it two weeks ago for $22k-- $7,000 profit and $4k more than we had it listed for in the Fall. It is a very, very weird time to be selling cars.
I'd be interested in hearing your perspective on how long you think this is gonna last? I have a vested interest because I have a car I think I'll be selling in the not-too-distant future.
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How often are you driving 450 miles at one time?
Dgies is a long hauler.
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For me, the outside of EV6 has a lot more personality than a Tesla. And the inside is anything but "minimalistic".
$40-50k is about average for a decent (not bottom of the barrel (Bolt) and not luxury (IPace)) EV at this time
It definitely is cool looking, and Kia makes a nice car.
I'm leaning toward PHEV, with an eye on the upcoming Santa Fe we have both referenced. I really like the Volvo XC90 PHEV because we had an XC70 20 years ago and it was the nicest, most comfortable car I've ever owned, but I don't think I can justify spending more than $50K for a car.
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I'd prefer they just refuse to take the vaccine to own the libs rather than taking us down with them.
Good Lord, you are a humorless, one track minded fūck.
Well played, Pakuni.
Topper get into a powerful govt position and wants to get all fancy. 8-)
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Thanks Ziggy, I so value your opinion.
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I too am in the camp for my next car, but may be awhile still.
What EVs are people looking at? The Tesla Model Y checks a lot of boxes, and while not a “pickup” guy, the new F150, which be used as a generator and actually power your house or whatever is very very cool. https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/
I imagine they will eventually put the same/similar tech into the Escape, Explorer, if that’s the case, Ford may be my choice.
I like the concept of the home generator with the F150. I am going to investigate that for potential business use in areas where we have lots of storms
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It definitely is cool looking, and Kia makes a nice car.
I'm leaning toward PHEV, with an eye on the upcoming Santa Fe we have both referenced. I really like the Volvo XC90 PHEV because we had an XC70 20 years ago and it was the nicest, most comfortable car I've ever owned, but I don't think I can justify spending more than $50K for a car.
FWIW, I’ve heard the new XC90 drives like crap. I don’t know about the EV version obviously but I really liked the new version due to the interior customizability and configurations. But within a few weeks of expressing interest, 2 diff friends of friends who had one, and another who test drove, had less than glowing reviews
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In the last 12 months I have driven more than 300 several times. Myrtle beach for a week. Elizabethtown for a week. Spring break in Baltimore. Sandusky twice. Forest Dunes. Treetops.
I can easily see an electric as a second car, except for price. I cannot see it as my primary car until the range increases, the number of recharging stations approaches that of gas pumps, the recharging time decreases and they stop losing 40% of range in near zero temperatures.
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In the last 12 months I have driven more than 300 several times. Myrtle beach for a week. Elizabethtown for a week. Spring break in Baltimore. Sandusky twice. Forest Dunes. Treetops.
I can easily see an electric as a second car, except for price. I cannot see it as my primary car until the range increases, the number of recharging stations approaches that of gas pumps, the recharging time decreases and they stop losing 40% of range in near zero temperatures.
4 more summers of baseball tournaments, then go for it...
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Dgies is a long hauler.
Thanks Brother Doc. Actually, I drive back and forth from Chicago to Florida about twice a year. That's the reason I keep my Enclave around and why I just poured $4,000 into a Transmission overhaul. This year, the Enclave will go to Florida in early November with my dog. The dog is 14 and there's no way I'd drive except I'm not likely to put the dog in the cargo pit of an airliner at that age.
We'll drive one way back at Thanksgiving and leave the Enclave in Chicago for when I return on business. At Christmas we will drive my LaCrosse back and forth to Florida and I'll probably have my son drive the Enclave back when he takes vacation next spring.
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FWIW, I’ve heard the new XC90 drives like crap. I don’t know about the EV version obviously but I really liked the new version due to the interior customizability and configurations. But within a few weeks of expressing interest, 2 diff friends of friends who had one, and another who test drove, had less than glowing reviews
Good to know in case I win the lottery!
Seriously, thanks.
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Curious if any Scoopers out there have an electric vehicle..
Question .. where do you charge it? I assume at home, 99% of the time.
What would be the occasion you'd use a charging station, besides long distance travel?
Like .. if you were going to a mall that had an EV station, would you use it? If there was a restaurant with a station, would you eat there? etc.
Just talked to my daughter, and here are a few facts related to charging their Tesla …
They at first used the regular 120v outlet in their garage. Took 3 days to go from near empty to full. They then got a 240V and now can “fill” it in a few hours. They get 50 miles worth in an hour or so.
A few times they have used public charging stations. A Safeway near them has free 240V ones to use while shopping. At the Target across the street there are some quick charge stations for a nominal fee. She said she only used it once and didn’t notice much difference between that and the 240V.
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Out of curiosity, what's the effect on the electric bill? Is it still a major savings versus gas?
My wife and I considered but not yet mostly due to take. Driving back and forth to Cincinnati several times per year. Driving to Myrtle Beach and Florida for vacation. Adding in Burlington VT a couple times a year now too.
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I'd be interested in hearing your perspective on how long you think this is gonna last? I have a vested interest because I have a car I think I'll be selling in the not-too-distant future.
A long time. Computer chip shortage that has no end in sight.
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For those worried about running out of juice on long trips ... that's one of the pros about plug-in hybrids. They have an electric range of anywhere from 18-30 miles, so most quick trips, and even a lot of round-trip commutes will be all electric. But if you need to go further, it seamlessly converts to a hybrid gas engine.
So 95% of the time you can use electric, but for the big trips you're golden.
So while I know precious little about EVs and will likely never own one in my lifetime, that's a product that makes sense to me, much like a traditional hybrid, for an urban dweller who only has one car. And I can see electric in any form as one's urban commute vehicle when combined with a separate gasoline (or hybrid) powered traditional car.
Now as for to this $50-$100K+ price tag issue...... not ever happening for me.
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So while I know precious little about EVs and will likely never own one in my lifetime, that's a product that makes sense to me, much like a traditional hybrid, for an urban dweller who only has one car. And I can see electric in any form as one's urban commute vehicle when combined with a separate gasoline (or hybrid) powered traditional car.
Now as for to this $50-$100K+ price tag issue...... not ever happening for me.
Agree on both of your paragraphs, glow!
What I'd like to see is the Santa Fe PHEV that supposedly is coming out soon to get great reviews ... and for it to price at under 40K ... and for it to be eligible for a sizable tax credit ... and for my trade-in (or private sale, if that's what I decide to do) to still be worth too damn much. If all that happens when I'm ready to buy, it's definitely a possibility.
But there is no way I'm spending more on my next car than I did on my first house. It would be one thing if I had to ... but I don't. There are lots of very nice vehicles available for waaaay under $40K.
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Out of curiosity, what's the effect on the electric bill? Is it still a major savings versus gas?
My wife and I considered but not yet mostly due to take. Driving back and forth to Cincinnati several times per year. Driving to Myrtle Beach and Florida for vacation. Adding in Burlington VT a couple times a year now too.
In Indianapolis, our neighbor drives her model Y daily about 30 miles. Fills up every night. Cost is $6/month
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In Indianapolis, our neighbor drives her model Y daily about 30 miles. Fills up every night. Cost is $6/month
My daughter/SIL's use of their Model X is similar.
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But there is no way I'm spending more on my next car than I did on my first house. It would be one thing if I had to ... but I don't. There are lots of very nice vehicles available for waaaay under $40K.
I still like to brag about how truly fortunate I was 3 years ago to find a 2003 V-8 Explorer with only 75K miles to serve as our tow vehicle replacing the old one that gave up the ghost at 200K. Didn't even have to change out any of my hitches! I paid $6,500.
She's our lone Wisconsin plated vehicle and likes her life living at the lake.
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I still like to brag about how truly fortunate I was 3 years ago to find a 2003 V-8 Explorer with only 75K miles to serve as our tow vehicle replacing the old one that gave up the ghost at 200K. Didn't even have to change out any of my hitches! I paid $6,500.
She's our lone Wisconsin plated vehicle and likes her life living at the lake.
She sounds lucky!
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In Indianapolis, our neighbor drives her model Y daily about 30 miles. Fills up every night. Cost is $6/month
Well, that is definitely way better than the $50 I spent this morning to fill the gas tank. And that's a weekly cost. Thanks.
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I still like to brag about how truly fortunate I was 3 years ago to find a 2003 V-8 Explorer with only 75K miles to serve as our tow vehicle replacing the old one that gave up the ghost at 200K. Didn't even have to change out any of my hitches! I paid $6,500.
She's our lone Wisconsin plated vehicle and likes her life living at the lake.
My 2006 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer has 220,000 miles and is still going. My kids mostly drive the car. I drive on the Transfer Station runs.
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My 2006 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer has 220,000 miles and is still going. My kids mostly drive the car. I drive on the Transfer Station runs.
My family has a 1999 Expedition that's now fondly referred to as "The Beast". Its got like 150K miles on it and has needed shockingly little work done on it. Its been in 2 significant accidents, but the majority of the damage was structural to the frame and body, which was repaired. I regularly drove it 800 miles roundtrip to Ohio and back 4-5 times a year in the mid to late 2000s. But then it spent awhile as a secondary vehicle or workhouse for hauling or picking up big stuff. But the last 18 months, its gotten a second life as a daily driver due to my Fiancee coming to the Midwest and needing a vehicle during COVID while we debated a new vehicle. And its been remarkable. Its loud, its a behemoth that could be better on gas, but its remarkably sound for a 20+ year old monster.
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A long time. Computer chip shortage that has no end in sight.
We have been told “at least thru the end of ‘21.”
I sell used vehicles to a lot of neighbors, referrals, previous customers, etc. There is a legitimate worry about selling a vehicle for $15k this year that you know would’ve retailed for $10k last year. The sales floor keeps referencing the “cliff” we are all eventually going to fall off.
(This is more “Used Car Market” than “EV” thread), but it is also astonishing that the banks are beginning to accept these prices. I sold a 3 -year old Silverado which had an original MSRP of $45k which “booked-out” (NADA wholesale) for $41k— more than the customer paid originally.
Essentially any customer with a 600 FICO, a job, and $2k down (from the two vacations they had to skip, stimulus checks, monies saved from not going out, etc) will get approved to take on very, very high car notes.
If you are financing a pre-owned vehicle in the near future, think long and hard about buying GAP.
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Legs looks pretty snappy in his beret, driving his ‘Lectric car. 🤣
I won’t own one for a while, but the 0-60 you get in a high end Tesla or a new mustang is impressive.
Legs doffs beret to chili
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We have been told “at least thru the end of ‘21.”
I know this is a bit off topic, but the US has considered oil a important resource to secure globally. It's high time we considered computer chip manufacturing as a critical national security priority.
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I know this is a bit off topic, but the US has considered oil a important resource to secure globally. It's high time we considered computer chip manufacturing as a critical national security priority.
It’s been a good few months to be a car salesman. We don’t need things to change that quickly.
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I know this is a bit off topic, but the US has considered oil a important resource to secure globally. It's high time we considered computer chip manufacturing as a critical national security priority.
Better hope all the rumblings about TSM and attempted takeovers and potential movement of manufacturing to mainland China remain rumblings.
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Legs doffs beret to chili
You'll be looking good in that beret this fall stuffing the pie hole with bacon, brisket, and bourbon.
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You'll be looking good in that beret this fall stuffing the pie hole with bacon, brisket, and bourbon.
Don't forget he'll be donning his wispy neck square.
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I know this is a bit off topic, but the US has considered oil a important resource to secure globally. It's high time we considered computer chip manufacturing as a critical national security priority.
The president is trying to get this included in any infrastructure bill.
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The president is trying to get this included in any infrastructure bill.
What do chips have to do with roads and bridges?
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What do chips have to do with roads and bridges?
The same amount as loads of stuff that was shoved into COVID relief bills by both sides.
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What do chips have to do with roads and bridges?
Pork rinds, hey?
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How often do you drive 300 miles at once? And speed of charging is overrated unless you're unable to charge at home
The point is I can and after a quick 3-4 minute fill-up I can go another 300 miles. This is the only downside for me; I have nothing against EVs. If you commute a short distance then an EV makes sense, but EV owners should not get a free pass; they should pay a "fuel" tax as well to pay for road/overpass/tunnel maintenance and construction.
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The point is I can and after a quick 3-4 minute fill-up I can go another 300 miles. This is the only downside for me; I have nothing against EVs. If you commute a short distance then an EV makes sense, but EV owners should not get a free pass; they should pay a "fuel" tax as well to pay for road/overpass/tunnel maintenance and construction.
You realize nearly every state charges a hybrid or ev tax on registration to make up for lost fuel taxes? And it's frequently significantly higher than what the average citizen pays in fuel tax.
Spare me the outrage.
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What do chips have to do with roads and bridges?
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/a2xwLJQGdho/hqdefault.jpg)
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You realize nearly every state charges a hybrid or ev tax on registration to make up for lost fuel taxes? And it's frequently significantly higher than what the average citizen pays in fuel tax.
Spare me the outrage.
I didn't know that.
No outrage here, but I live in Ohio which is among those with the highest fee ($200). That's less than I pay per year in fuel taxes (although I drive more than the average, I'm sure).
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What do chips have to do with roads and bridges?
Should infrastructure be limited to roads and bridges?
The "internet highway" is arguably more important.
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I didn't know that.
No outrage here, but I live in Ohio which is among those with the highest fee ($200). That's less than I pay per year in fuel taxes (although I drive more than the average, I'm sure).
Ya. It's interesting, for sure.
I did a quick google search. Ohio EV registration fee is $200. Ohio gas tax is .385 cents per gallon. So, if you drove a 25mpg car 15,000 miles per year, you'd pay $231 in taxes.
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Ya. It's interesting, for sure.
I did a quick google search. Ohio EV registration fee is $200. Ohio gas tax is .385 cents per gallon. So, if you drove a 25mpg car 15,000 miles per year, you'd pay $231 in taxes.
$231 plus the registration fee.
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We have been told “at least thru the end of ‘21.”
I sell used vehicles to a lot of neighbors, referrals, previous customers, etc. There is a legitimate worry about selling a vehicle for $15k this year that you know would’ve retailed for $10k last year. The sales floor keeps referencing the “cliff” we are all eventually going to fall off.
(This is more “Used Car Market” than “EV” thread), but it is also astonishing that the banks are beginning to accept these prices. I sold a 3 -year old Silverado which had an original MSRP of $45k which “booked-out” (NADA wholesale) for $41k— more than the customer paid originally.
Essentially any customer with a 600 FICO, a job, and $2k down (from the two vacations they had to skip, stimulus checks, monies saved from not going out, etc) will get approved to take on very, very high car notes.
If you are financing a pre-owned vehicle in the near future, think long and hard about buying GAP.
have an '06 H3 white, loaded, 122,000 original miles took it down to arizona in 2010. auto traders car gurus et. al are showing other H3's with more miles to be going for $12k+ want to either trade it in for a sahara unlimited or sell it ourselves
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have an '06 H3 white, loaded, 122,000 original miles took it down to arizona in 2010. auto traders car gurus et. al are showing other H3's with more miles to be going for $12k+ want to either trade it in for a sahara unlimited or sell it ourselves
Ya strike me as guy who drives a white hummer.
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Ya strike me as guy who drives a white hummer.
it's actually my wife's car, but...alrighty then
i have a street legal kawasaki teryx that i drive mostly unless we have longer trips, freeway etc
in wisconsin, she has a WHITE lexus, i have a grey sahara
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i have a street legal kawasaki teryx that i drive mostly unless we have longer trips, freeway etc
Your daily driver is a dune buggy?!
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Your daily driver is a dune buggy?!
All of this is adding up
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Your daily driver is a dune buggy?!
no, a 750 kawasaki teryx, it seats 4 with the back bench, has a top speed of 50-55 take it shopping, golfing or up in the mountains. they are fairly common down there
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All of this is adding up
new math or old math there jesus man?
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Not an owner yet... but watching the technology carefully.
There are some new quick charge technologies for batteries that can charge in 15-20 minutes. It is special battery and special charger technology. Will take a few years to get costs down to consumer level but I'm sure it'll happen. That's when it becomes a no-brainer. Hook up the charger, go into the station and have a coffee, and before you're done with your coffee, the car is charged.
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Not an owner yet... but watching the technology carefully.
There are some new quick charge technologies for batteries that can charge in 15-20 minutes. It is special battery and special charger technology. Will take a few years to get costs down to consumer level but I'm sure it'll happen. That's when it becomes a no-brainer. Hook up the charger, go into the station and have a coffee, and before you're done with your coffee, the car is charged.
The Ioniq 5 can already do 10-80% in 18 min.
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I am pretty close to ready to buy now. If a car I wanted that I felt was a reasonable price were available now, I would sell my 2011 SUV for the impossibly high price that it supposedly could fetch now and make a move.
But unless I want an ICE vehicle, what I'm looking for isn't quite out there yet. Maybe by year's end, or next year.
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The Ioniq 5 can already do 10-80% in 18 min.
That's a hell of a range. I would think virtually all of them could do 5-80% in 18 minutes.
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You realize nearly every state charges a hybrid or ev tax on registration to make up for lost fuel taxes? And it's frequently significantly higher than what the average citizen pays in fuel tax.
Spare me the outrage.
Here in NJ to renew your registration is $64 regardless if the car is gas or EV powered. So if you drove 12k every year and got 30mpg you pay $160/year gas tax (41 cents/gallon). Between fuel tax and registration the gas driver is paying more than double than the EV driver. Even if you paid a $100 registration fee for EV as in California the gas driver is still paying a lot more in "Fuel" taxes.
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So buy an EV then and realize your dream of paying less taxes.
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Don't forget he'll be donning his wispy neck square.
That's ascot to you, doc.
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That's ascot to you, doc.
Handy for wiping BBQ sauce and bacon grease off your mug.