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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Marquetteauburn on May 12, 2020, 09:03:06 PM
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I'm just putting 2 and 2 together here - but if the NCAA said recently they could not see having sports unless students were back on campus, and the California system announced today students will not be back on campus in the fall (just on-line) am I right to conclude that at very least California teams will not be playing the coming season?
I just caught snippets of both while working, anyone please jump into correct me. Could also be just UCLA, Cal etc out, but St. Mary's and private schools could play?
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I'm just putting 2 and 2 together here - but if the NCAA said recently they could not see having sports unless students were back on campus, and the California system announced today students will not be back on campus in the fall (just on-line) am I right to conclude that at very least California teams will not be playing the coming season?
I just caught snippets of both while working, anyone please jump into correct me. Could also be just UCLA, Cal etc out, but St. Mary's and private schools could play?
Brett McMurphy
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Regarding announcement by CSU Chancellor, San Diego State official says SDSU will offer a hybrid model for classes (some in-person, some virtual). “In athletics, we continue to work through many scenarios, including sports in the fall.”
Andy Katz
@TheAndyKatz
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A @GoAztecs
official said the plan is still for @Aztec_MBB
to play the 2020-21 season if and when the college basketball season starts on time. This comes after the announcement today that the Cal State University system would be mostly on line for the fall semester.
And the California State system is NOT the UC system. The one that announced no classes today is for like San Diego St and schools like that.
Schools like Stanford, Cal, UCLA are a different system. And yes, I have heard several conference commissioners say that if their leagues don't have all the teams on campus this fall, they would have no problems having a season wit hthe schools that are on campus.
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Inn udder words, donut bye seeson ducats, aina?
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I think Val may regret her comments regarding schools not having first semester sports if students aren't on campus. The fact is there are ways to mitigate risks, not only for athletes but for other students, who for whatever reason need to be on campus even if their classroom experience is virtual.
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Andy Katz
@TheAndyKatz
And yes, I have heard several conference commissioners say that if their leagues don't have all the teams on campus this fall, they would have no problems having a season with the schools that are on campus.
NCAA's Mark Emmert says fall sports likely a no-go if campuses aren't open
May 8
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29152467/ncaa-mark-emmert-says-fall-sports-likely-no-go-campuses-open
NCAA president Mark Emmert said he does not envision schools being ready to begin competing in college football or other fall sports unless students return to campuses around the country.
In an interview shown on the NCAA's official Twitter account Friday night, Emmert said he has spoken to hundreds of presidents and commissioners in recent weeks and he believes there is consensus among them.
"All of the commissioners and every president that I've talked to is in clear agreement: If you don't have students on campus, you don't have student-athletes on campus," Emmert said. "That doesn't mean [the school] has to be up and running in the full normal model, but you have to treat the health and well-being of the athletes at least as much as the regular students. ... If a school doesn't reopen, then they're not going to be playing sports. It's really that simple."
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Emmert won't be the one making that call though. We will see.
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You'll Still Be Homeschooling Your Kids This Fall, Dr. Fauci Says
DURING A SENATE COMMITTEE HEARING, FAUCI SAID SCHOOLS REOPENING IN THE FALL IS "A BRIDGE TOO FAR."
May 12
https://bestlifeonline.com/fauci-schools-open-fall/
Anthony Fauci, MD, revealed Tuesday morning that a return to school in the fall "would be a bit of a bridge too far," during a Senate Committee hearing. News of likely continued homeschooling for the next school year will probably be met with groans and frustration by harried parents struggling to balance working from home and also managing remote learning and having their children home 100 percent of the time.
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You'll Still Be Homeschooling Your Kids This Fall, Dr. Fauci Says
DURING A SENATE COMMITTEE HEARING, FAUCI SAID SCHOOLS REOPENING IN THE FALL IS "A BRIDGE TOO FAR."
May 12
https://bestlifeonline.com/fauci-schools-open-fall/
Anthony Fauci, MD, revealed Tuesday morning that a return to school in the fall "would be a bit of a bridge too far," during a Senate Committee hearing. News of likely continued homeschooling for the next school year will probably be met with groans and frustration by harried parents struggling to balance working from home and also managing remote learning and having their children home 100 percent of the time.
I can’t imagine that will go over well with parents of kids who both work.
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Does anyone ever consider the ancillary, trickle down effects of their agenda driven monologues, hey?
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Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
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Regarding announcement by CSU Chancellor, San Diego State official says SDSU will offer a hybrid model for classes (some in-person, some virtual). “In athletics, we continue to work through many scenarios, including sports in the fall.”
Andy Katz
@TheAndyKatz
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A @GoAztecs
official said the plan is still for @Aztec_MBB
to play the 2020-21 season if and when the college basketball season starts on time. This comes after the announcement today that the Cal State University system would be mostly on line for the fall semester.
And the California State system is NOT the UC system. The one that announced no classes today is for like San Diego St and schools like that.
Schools like Stanford, Cal, UCLA are a different system. And yes, I have heard several conference commissioners say that if their leagues don't have all the teams on campus this fall, they would have no problems having a season wit hthe schools that are on campus.
Stanford is private, not in any state system.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/ncaa-mandate-uniform-return-college-sports-mark-emmert/story?id=70650145 (https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/ncaa-mandate-uniform-return-college-sports-mark-emmert/story?id=70650145)
"These are localized decisions," Emmert said Tuesday. "Local campuses have to decide: Are we opening up, and are we bringing students back to play sports? The NCAA doesn't mandate that, nor should it. The schools themselves have to make those choices."
Emmert is already backtracking his universal "no kids, no campus, no sports" declaration.
Kids, there will be college and pro sports this Fall and Winter; it just depends on your local government choosing whether or not to be behind the rest of the pack. Alabama (which was to be playing USC Week 1) is already talking with TCU about that spot. Can you imagine the negative blowback and loss of revenues if USC is forced to relinquish a big game against Alabama in Arlington, TX?
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Does anyone ever consider the ancillary, trickle down effects of their agenda driven monologues, hey?
Like whom? In my experience, decisions made about whether campuses should have students in the fall are mostly focusing on safety, liability and finances more than anything. No one's "agenda driven monolouge" even enters the conversation.
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Also, looks like our UCLA game probably won't be played.
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PAC-12 issues statement in wake of Cal State System announcement yesterday: ""The Pac-12 and our member universities will make our own determinations on when our student-athletes can return to play and when and how campuses will reopen to students."
Once again, the all-or-nothing mindset has quickly evaporated. College sports will return this Fall, regardless if a state, or states, mandate that it is unsafe to do so. There will be plenty of open states that choose to play sports, and those states and schools will be ahead of the curve because they will be attracting and acquiring many more prospective students/families from states that will be told they need to stay home (and cannot play sports).
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Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
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Regarding announcement by CSU Chancellor, San Diego State official says SDSU will offer a hybrid model for classes (some in-person, some virtual). “In athletics, we continue to work through many scenarios, including sports in the fall.”
Andy Katz
@TheAndyKatz
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A @GoAztecs
official said the plan is still for @Aztec_MBB
to play the 2020-21 season if and when the college basketball season starts on time. This comes after the announcement today that the Cal State University system would be mostly on line for the fall semester.
And the California State system is NOT the UC system. The one that announced no classes today is for like San Diego St and schools like that.
Schools like Stanford, Cal, UCLA are a different system. And yes, I have heard several conference commissioners say that if their leagues don't have all the teams on campus this fall, they would have no problems having a season wit hthe schools that are on campus.
So these kids are gonna pay $10k to $70k for classses on Zoom? When Phoenix University is one click away fir the semester at $100s. Good luck with that California.... can u say bankruptcy?
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So these kids are gonna pay $10k to $70k for classses on Zoom? When Phoenix University is one click away fir the semester at $100s. Good luck with that California.... can u say bankruptcy?
If you are an in-state student at SanJose State, you are paying just over $2,800 in tuition each semester for anything over six units. There are also various fees, some of which may not be charged if you aren't on campus. But even if they are, it is $3,926.00 in total.
https://www.sjsu.edu/bursar/fees_due_dates/tuition_fees/spring/index.html
For University of Phoenix, it will cost almost $400 per credit. Plus then you will have to worry about transferring the classes back.
https://www.phoenix.edu/tuition_and_financial_options/tuition_and_fees.html#
So anything ten credits or more would be better at a CSU school. Then when you build in the transferability of courses, it is an absolute no-brainer to stay where you are and just take the courses virtually. Or take a year off.
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You'll Still Be Homeschooling Your Kids This Fall, Dr. Fauci Says
DURING A SENATE COMMITTEE HEARING, FAUCI SAID SCHOOLS REOPENING IN THE FALL IS "A BRIDGE TOO FAR."
May 12
https://bestlifeonline.com/fauci-schools-open-fall/
Anthony Fauci, MD, revealed Tuesday morning that a return to school in the fall "would be a bit of a bridge too far," during a Senate Committee hearing. News of likely continued homeschooling for the next school year will probably be met with groans and frustration by harried parents struggling to balance working from home and also managing remote learning and having their children home 100 percent of the time.
Fauci, having spent the last 50 years in government beauracracy, and not seen a patient in 20 years, and wrong on every model prediction, has spoken, and his word is the gospel regarding schools.
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So these kids are gonna pay $10k to $70k for classses on Zoom? When Phoenix University is one click away fir the semester at $100s. Good luck with that California.... can u say bankruptcy?
Its' not the in-person learning experience that makes a degree from a California state school more valuable than one from the University of Phoenix.
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What an incredible overreaction.
In many states, normalcy is returning. We know the number of new cases but we don't know the number of "ins and outs" showing the number of people who either are asymptomatic, light cases (like a work colleague who has worked through a case of coronavirus while quarantined) and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, recoveries. I'll betcha this will look a whole lot better if someone can reasonably calculate ins and outs.
Too many of our governors (are you listening Governor JB?) are moving the goalposts and changing the objectives. Why? Who knows!
The things we need to be asking for college sports as well as society at large are: 1) What are we afraid of? 2) Is it reasonable to be so afraid we shut down almost every element of society? 3) What do we do next time a contagious disease strikes? Is this now a regular feature of American life?
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What an incredible overreaction.
In many states, normalcy is returning. We know the number of new cases but we don't know the number of "ins and outs" showing the number of people who either are asymptomatic, light cases (like a work colleague who has worked through a case of coronavirus while quarantined) and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, recoveries. I'll betcha this will look a whole lot better if someone can reasonably calculate ins and outs.
Too many of our governors (are you listening Governor JB?) are moving the goalposts and changing the objectives. Why? Who knows!
The things we need to be asking for college sports as well as society at large are: 1) What are we afraid of? 2) Is it reasonable to be so afraid we shut down almost every element of society? 3) What do we do next time a contagious disease strikes? Is this now a regular feature of American life?
To answer your questions:
1. Colleges and universities are afraid of a deadly contagious disease that spreads undetected among people, symptomatically and asymptomatically, that can harm both studeents, employees and their respective families. People who live, eat, recreate, go to class, etc. in close proximity to one another is a recipe for how this disease can spread. It is a problem fraught with health, liability and financial implications.
2. No one is suggesting that "we shut down almost every element of society." That's hyperbolic nonsense.
3. With one as deadly as COVID? Probably somethig similar. The normal old flu? Business as usual. This is not a "regular feature of American life" since the last time a pandemic of this sort occurred was over 100 years ago. (My schools closed residence halls then too.)
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2. No one is suggesting that "we shut down almost every element of society." That's hyperbolic nonsense.
Unfortunately not accurate. No one here, but there are people out there that have said exactly that. Shut it down until a vaccine comes out.
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Unfortunately not accurate. No one here, but there are people out there that have said exactly that. Shut it down until a vaccine comes out.
Who? I have not heard anyone credible say that.
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Stanford is private, not in any state system.
My buddy at Stanford says they are not likely to have in person classes in the fall. Delaying the start is under consideration as well as other options.
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Unfortunately not accurate. No one here,
Oh
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To answer your questions:
1. Colleges and universities are afraid of a deadly contagious disease that spreads undetected among people, symptomatically and asymptomatically, that can harm both studeents, employees and their respective families. People who live, eat, recreate, go to class, etc. in close proximity to one another is a recipe for how this disease can spread. It is a problem fraught with health, liability and financial implications.
2. No one is suggesting that "we shut down almost every element of society." That's hyperbolic nonsense.
3. With one as deadly as COVID? Probably somethig similar. The normal old flu? Business as usual. This is not a "regular feature of American life" since the last time a pandemic of this sort occurred was over 100 years ago. (My schools closed residence halls then too.)
Hmm...I wonder if anyone would hire a student who took an online chemistry/lab course to work in their laboratories? I believe some courses require a student to be physically present to be prepared for the real world.
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Hmm...I wonder if anyone would hire a student who took an online chemistry/lab course to work in their laboratories? I believe some courses require a student to be physically present to be prepared for the real world.
The answer is absolutely yes. Do you have any idea what the field of lab work looks like right now? My wife got her bachelor's Medical Tech degree online from Weber State. Her employer not only paid her to finish her degree but immediately gave her a raise as soon as her education was complete because they feared losing her. There were clinical requirements, but her employer provided all the ability to do that on site and I'm sure any employer would accommodate any students they thought they had a reasonable chance to hire afterwards. The medical lab field right now is absolutely gutted by retirements. If you can show a plausible facsimile of a degree from University of Phoenix, Miskatonic University, or Hogwart's they will hire you and offer a signing bonus.
Labs are desperate for a younger workforce and filling positions with people who are vastly underqualified every day because there simply aren't enough new workers entering the field.
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Hmm...I wonder if anyone would hire a student who took an online chemistry/lab course to work in their laboratories? I believe some courses require a student to be physically present to be prepared for the real world.
Right. Which is why CSU schools are continuing those programs in person and allowing students to live on campus. My guess is that others will do the same.
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Hmm...I wonder if anyone would hire a student who took an online chemistry/lab course to work in their laboratories? I believe some courses require a student to be physically present to be prepared for the real world.
The answer is yes they would, & "irregardless" the majority of schools that go online in the Fall will still offer in person labs. With ease. They may need to hire more ancillary staff to accommodate. It's possible that they counteract that by offering a mixed experience. If you've taken a chem course with lab you understand that the first few lab days are unique to you & the entire rest of the semester is just repetition.
Also IMO you are overstating the importance of learning how to be a scale jockey.
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The answer is absolutely yes. Do you have any idea what the field of lab work looks like right now? My wife got her bachelor's Medical Tech degree online from Weber State. Her employer not only paid her to finish her degree but immediately gave her a raise as soon as her education was complete because they feared losing her. There were clinical requirements, but her employer provided all the ability to do that on site and I'm sure any employer would accommodate any students they thought they had a reasonable chance to hire afterwards. The medical lab field right now is absolutely gutted by retirements. If you can show a plausible facsimile of a degree from University of Phoenix, Miskatonic University, or Hogwart's they will hire you and offer a signing bonus.
Labs are desperate for a younger workforce and filling positions with people who are vastly underqualified every day because there simply aren't enough new workers entering the field.
Anecdotal
;)
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Hmm...I wonder if anyone would hire a student who took an online chemistry/lab course to work in their laboratories? I believe some courses require a student to be physically present to be prepared for the real world.
you're assuming there are going to open labs looking to hire anyone.
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The answer is absolutely yes. Do you have any idea what the field of lab work looks like right now? My wife got her bachelor's Medical Tech degree online from Weber State. Her employer not only paid her to finish her degree but immediately gave her a raise as soon as her education was complete because they feared losing her. There were clinical requirements, but her employer provided all the ability to do that on site and I'm sure any employer would accommodate any students they thought they had a reasonable chance to hire afterwards. The medical lab field right now is absolutely gutted by retirements. If you can show a plausible facsimile of a degree from University of Phoenix, Miskatonic University, or Hogwart's they will hire you and offer a signing bonus.
Labs are desperate for a younger workforce and filling positions with people who are vastly underqualified every day because there simply aren't enough new workers entering the field.
Interesting you mention. My daughter is a Biology major. She says she's interested in research. My neighbor is a Med Tech. She said she was a Bio major also and took a certificate course afterwards to get certified for Med Tech. Stated the same that there is more of a shortage for Med Techs than Nurses and there have been plenty of programs to induce students go into nursing and that the Med Tech issue was ignored. She wants to speak in more detail about with my daughter who is totally on board after mentioning as my daughter was previously unaware of this option and it also sounds more like what she wants to do. The neighbor's husband is a Bioinformatics researcher at Unilever.
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Marquette nursing students were not allowed to finish their practicals second semester this year. This is the hands-on training they receive. The nursing program at MU rotates where students either do their practicals first semester or second semester. The second semester students are now behind as a result.
My daughter enters her senior year in the Fall.
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Anecdotal
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It is, but...
Interesting you mention. My daughter is a Biology major. She says she's interested in research. My neighbor is a Med Tech. She said she was a Bio major also and took a certificate course afterwards to get certified for Med Tech. Stated the same that there is more of a shortage for Med Techs than Nurses and there have been plenty of programs to induce students go into nursing and that the Med Tech issue was ignored. She wants to speak in more detail about with my daughter who is totally on board after mentioning as my daughter was previously unaware of this option and it also sounds more like what she wants to do. The neighbor's husband is a Bioinformatics researcher at Unilever.
My wife gets headhunter emails weekly & that’s the case for all her co-workers too. It’s a critically understaffed field. Not just local emails either, if not for having a 2-year-old at home she may have taken a traveling job because they pay really well.
Adding in that there are only a few accredited universities that do online (Cincinnati & Weber State were the only two she found at the time) and it’s a coveted degree. Sort of where the Physician’s Assistant field was at 12-15 years ago.
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We are kind of getting muwarrior69 about his chemistry example, but there are clearly other examples where the hands on is definitely part of the learning process. I am sure the CSU campuses, and Marquette if it gets to that, will have plans in place.
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What an incredible overreaction.
In many states, normalcy is returning. We know the number of new cases but we don't know the number of "ins and outs" showing the number of people who either are asymptomatic, light cases (like a work colleague who has worked through a case of coronavirus while quarantined) and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, recoveries. I'll betcha this will look a whole lot better if someone can reasonably calculate ins and outs.
Too many of our governors (are you listening Governor JB?) are moving the goalposts and changing the objectives. Why? Who knows!
The things we need to be asking for college sports as well as society at large are: 1) What are we afraid of? 2) Is it reasonable to be so afraid we shut down almost every element of society? 3) What do we do next time a contagious disease strikes? Is this now a regular feature of American life?
I believe the only sane response is for everyone to go to the nearest closet in their place of residence and breath through a tube and also eat thru a tube and never come out for the next 18 months
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We are kind of getting muwarrior69 about his chemistry example, but there are clearly other examples where the hands on is definitely part of the learning process. I am sure the CSU campuses, and Marquette if it gets to that, will have plans in place.
The larger point is that major universities have been making an online/classroom hybrid work for years already, even in highly technical fields that require hands on training. While there will be an adjustment, this isn’t completely new and students in other states and countries have been getting full degrees for the better part of a generation. None of the hurdles are insurmountable and the value of the degree isn’t at all lessened by the changed experience.
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Also, it’s not like employers will be unaware of the circumstance. This is a global event that everyone is cognizant of. Employers aren’t going to say “well the classes of 2020 & 2021 didn’t have the same college experience due to COVID, better not hire anyone for 2-3 years. This is the reality of the moment and we all know the score.
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The larger point is that major universities have been making an online/classroom hybrid work for years already, even in highly technical fields that require hands on training. While there will be an adjustment, this isn’t completely new and students in other states and countries have been getting full degrees for the better part of a generation. None of the hurdles are insurmountable and the value of the degree isn’t at all lessened by the changed experience.
I agree with everything but this last half of a sentence. Content knowledge is only one small part of getting a degree from a university. A big part of the college experience is learning how to be a successful, independent adult who can effectively communicate and work with colleagues in an increasingly diverse workforce. While math, spanish, biology, etc can be taught effectively online, many intrinsic skills like critical thinking, self determination, intercultural communication, etc cannot.
I'm also not convinced that online education is effective for all students. This is anecdotal, but I have way more students tell me that they login into their zoom lectures for attendance purposes but then leave them on while they go watch TV or play video games. I even had one student tell me that the best part of the pandemic is that he can show up to all his classes stoned without getting caught. I have yet to hear any student say that they think that they are learning more now that all classes are online.
The problem isn't limited to students. Many faculty don't treat their online lectures the same as in person ones. My wife is a PHD student. One of her classes is taught be a world renowned expert in qualitative research. Literally wrote the book on qualitative research in sociology. My wife had class with her last semester and said it was one of the best experiences she ever had. Every class went the full three hours and was filled with the professor's expertise and rich discussion with her classmates. She took her next level course this semester and said since the pandemic it has been a huge waste of time. The professor regularly has issues logging on to zoom, there was 1 class where she showed up 45 minutes late because she couldn't figure out zoom. The class that is supposed to be three hours long is now over after 45 to 90 minutes. The class isn't a discussion any more, its the professor reading a script into a camera and asking if anyone has any questions....which no one ever does (possibly because half of them aren't actually paying attention). Every Tuesday after logging off, my wife declares that she is wasting 1000s of dollars on a sham class.
I know my examples are anecdotal, and I'm sure there are plenty of examples of positive experiences. I also am a firm believer that online education has a critical role in providing educational access to distance learners and those from lower socio-economic statuses. However, I strongly believe that the degree is in fact lessened by the changed experience.
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Also, it’s not like employers will be unaware of the circumstance. This is a global event that everyone is cognizant of. Employers aren’t going to say “well the classes of 2020 & 2021 didn’t have the same college experience due to COVID, better not hire anyone for 2-3 years. This is the reality of the moment and we all know the score.
Unless the employers see incomplete skills if those people don't have the hands on experience that is required.
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Unless the employers see incomplete skills if those people don't have the hands on experience that is required.
Ultimately, they will make a hire when they need to, even if the best available needs more experience once they get there.
As I said in the post before, in-person labs & hands-on training have been a part of distance learning for years. It may not be the same, but it’s not a reinvention of the wheel.
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Another evolved Scoop thread. From no CA teams fall semester to a discussion about whether on-line education is or not effective. I ❤️ Scoop
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The answer is absolutely yes. Do you have any idea what the field of lab work looks like right now? My wife got her bachelor's Medical Tech degree online from Weber State. Her employer not only paid her to finish her degree but immediately gave her a raise as soon as her education was complete because they feared losing her. There were clinical requirements, but her employer provided all the ability to do that on site and I'm sure any employer would accommodate any students they thought they had a reasonable chance to hire afterwards. The medical lab field right now is absolutely gutted by retirements. If you can show a plausible facsimile of a degree from University of Phoenix, Miskatonic University, or Hogwart's they will hire you and offer a signing bonus.
Labs are desperate for a younger workforce and filling positions with people who are vastly underqualified every day because there simply aren't enough new workers entering the field.
We call that the Silver Tsunami. It affects a number of industries that aren't considered sexy enough by younger generations (not a judgement, just a statement).
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Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
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Regarding announcement by CSU Chancellor, San Diego State official says SDSU will offer a hybrid model for classes (some in-person, some virtual). “In athletics, we continue to work through many scenarios, including sports in the fall.”
Andy Katz
@TheAndyKatz
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A @GoAztecs
official said the plan is still for @Aztec_MBB
to play the 2020-21 season if and when the college basketball season starts on time. This comes after the announcement today that the Cal State University system would be mostly on line for the fall semester.
And the California State system is NOT the UC system. The one that announced no classes today is for like San Diego St and schools like that.
Schools like Stanford, Cal, UCLA are a different system. And yes, I have heard several conference commissioners say that if their leagues don't have all the teams on campus this fall, they would have no problems having a season wit hthe schools that are on campus.
Thank you! That makes me hopeful
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You'll Still Be Homeschooling Your Kids This Fall, Dr. Fauci Says
DURING A SENATE COMMITTEE HEARING, FAUCI SAID SCHOOLS REOPENING IN THE FALL IS "A BRIDGE TOO FAR."
May 12
https://bestlifeonline.com/fauci-schools-open-fall/
Anthony Fauci, MD, revealed Tuesday morning that a return to school in the fall "would be a bit of a bridge too far," during a Senate Committee hearing. News of likely continued homeschooling for the next school year will probably be met with groans and frustration by harried parents struggling to balance working from home and also managing remote learning and having their children home 100 percent of the time.
I saw the follow-up Q&A though, and I believe he made a point of saying he did not mean to infer that - only that having a vaccine by the time they were back in school was a bridge too far but that he was not saying they necessarily could not open.
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What an incredible overreaction.
In many states, normalcy is returning. We know the number of new cases but we don't know the number of "ins and outs" showing the number of people who either are asymptomatic, light cases (like a work colleague who has worked through a case of coronavirus while quarantined) and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, recoveries. I'll betcha this will look a whole lot better if someone can reasonably calculate ins and outs.
Too many of our governors (are you listening Governor JB?) are moving the goalposts and changing the objectives. Why? Who knows!
The things we need to be asking for college sports as well as society at large are: 1) What are we afraid of? 2) Is it reasonable to be so afraid we shut down almost every element of society? 3) What do we do next time a contagious disease strikes? Is this now a regular feature of American life?
Sure, fair points, but also consider that deaths have not flattened as quickly as we thought they would after the peak. Another 1800 deaths yesterday is about the average of the last 45 days - and that number is 3x the very worst day of deaths from the flu in a bad flu season. Also, it appears even the more conservative (pro re-open) people are concluding that in most of the country only about 7% of the population has had it (only 20% in New York), and that we will not have "herd immunity" until it gets to close to 70%. For those who say just open wide up and let's get to herd immunity, but if we had done that would be get to 800,000 deaths instead of the 80,000?
I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion - I believe we need to open up a lot because otherwise the cost of a quarter of people going bankrupt and the after effect can outweigh a lot more deaths unfortunately. I just worry a bit when people use what are we worried about to mean they don't believe it's a big threat so we not only open up but they also decide the social distancing and masks are bs and we really get a bad run. Some who said I was being alarmist in March wrote things such as this would not be as bad as H1N1 (14,000 total deaths) or a bad flu season (60,000 deaths) and that 99.99% of people who caught it would be fine (in which case 800 million Americans would have had to already have it and there are only 317 million Americas). Now that we know all that was bull and this thing killed more Americans in a month than the flu ever kills in a year (unless you go back 100+ years to Spanish Flu), I'm just hoping getting things loosened up will happen but with a lot of effort on individuals to take it seriously.
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Sure, fair points, but also consider that deaths have not flattened as quickly as we thought they would after the peak. Another 1800 deaths yesterday is about the average of the last 45 days - and that number is 3x the very worst day of deaths from the flu in a bad flu season. Also, it appears even the more conservative (pro re-open) people are concluding that in most of the country only about 7% of the population has had it (only 20% in New York), and that we will not have "herd immunity" until it gets to close to 70%. For those who say just open wide up and let's get to herd immunity, but if we had done that would be get to 800,000 deaths instead of the 80,000?
I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion - I believe we need to open up a lot because otherwise the cost of a quarter of people going bankrupt and the after effect can outweigh a lot more deaths unfortunately. I just worry a bit when people use what are we worried about to mean they don't believe it's a big threat so we not only open up but they also decide the social distancing and masks are bs and we really get a bad run. Some who said I was being alarmist in March wrote things such as this would not be as bad as H1N1 (14,000 total deaths) or a bad flu season (60,000 deaths) and that 99.99% of people who caught it would be fine (in which case 800 million Americans would have had to already have it and there are only 317 million Americas). Now that we know all that was bull and this thing killed more Americans in a month than the flu ever kills in a year (unless you go back 100+ years to Spanish Flu), I'm just hoping getting things loosened up will happen but with a lot of effort on individuals to take it seriously.
“Opening up” is relative. This is a “city”/close confined spaces disease. Cities, subways, buses, elevators etc. where i live only thing shut down are the restaurants n bars. Not an open parking spot in the industrial parks, every factory n business full bore, same for Lowes, Kroger, Walmart etc. 31 cases in my entire county, if Rip van Winkle stopped by would not assume a thing. 31 cases. In suburban to rural areas by the very nature of peoples separation the disease is very limited. These areas should be opened, as they essential are anyway.
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You'll Still Be Homeschooling Your Kids This Fall, Dr. Fauci Says
DURING A SENATE COMMITTEE HEARING, FAUCI SAID SCHOOLS REOPENING IN THE FALL IS "A BRIDGE TOO FAR."
May 12
https://bestlifeonline.com/fauci-schools-open-fall/
Anthony Fauci, MD, revealed Tuesday morning that a return to school in the fall "would be a bit of a bridge too far," during a Senate Committee hearing. News of likely continued homeschooling for the next school year will probably be met with groans and frustration by harried parents struggling to balance working from home and also managing remote learning and having their children home 100 percent of the time.
Fauci, the guy who has been a government bureaucrat for 50 years, has not seen or treated a patient for 20 years, and who has been wrong with every predictive model he has espoused during the pandemic, who said in January, Feb. and March all sides of the issue, should be believed because his "opinion" is gospel.
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Fauci, the guy who has been a government bureaucrat for 50 years, has not seen or treated a patient for 20 years, and who has been wrong with every predictive model he has espoused during the pandemic, who said in January, Feb. and March all sides of the issue, should be believed because his "opinion" is gospel.
Hmm. Trust Dr. Fauci or trust Jerad. Tough call!
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Fauci, the guy who has been a government bureaucrat for 50 years, has not seen or treated a patient for 20 years, and who has been wrong with every predictive model he has espoused during the pandemic, who said in January, Feb. and March all sides of the issue, should be believed because his "opinion" is gospel.
Thanks, Willie. Does Mazos have a seating capacity during this pandemic or can I get a booth next to a random stranger?
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Thanks, Willie. Does Mazos have a seating capacity during this pandemic or can I get a booth next to a random stranger?
I still have to get to Mazos. Now might be the time. Might be a lighter crowd. Get myself a burger and a shake and then head over to Leon’s for a cone.
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Fauci, the guy who has been a government bureaucrat for 50 years, has not seen or treated a patient for 20 years, and who has been wrong with every predictive model he has espoused during the pandemic, who said in January, Feb. and March all sides of the issue, should be believed because his "opinion" is gospel.
Haha no sh!+!!!
Or like the clown the Dems paraded before Congress that is bitching that his opinions were not followed?!?! Bottom line is two years from now we will know where it ended up. To take one doctors opinion and broadcast it across Congress as the definitive answers that must be taken as gospel is... well Shiffty and sensationalism at best
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Haha no sh!+!!!
Or like the clown the Dems paraded before Congress that is bitching that his opinions were not followed?!?! Bottom line is two years from now we will know where it ended up. To take one doctors opinion and broadcast it across Congress as the definitive answers that must be taken as gospel is... well Shiffty and sensationalism at best
Yeah. Jerad knows better!
Talk about a clown...
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Haha no sh!+!!!
Or like the clown the Dems paraded before Congress that is bitching that his opinions were not followed?!?! Bottom line is two years from now we will know where it ended up. To take one doctors opinion and broadcast it across Congress as the definitive answers that must be taken as gospel is... well Shiffty and sensationalism at best
Have you read your personal quote?
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Fauci, the guy who has been a government bureaucrat for 50 years, has not seen or treated a patient for 20 years, and who has been wrong with every predictive model he has espoused during the pandemic, who said in January, Feb. and March all sides of the issue, should be believed because his "opinion" is gospel.
The kind of specialist Fauci is don't normally see patients. FYI Dr. Fauci is not the one doing the predictive models #FakeNews. With regards to immunity unfortunately it has not been stablished if it is achieved after exposure. And once stablished they need to find out what level of immunity is acquired, short term or long term.
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Willie seems like a guy who doesn’t understand why a Doctor would be teaching an English course instead of working in a hospital or clinic.
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Hmm. Trust Dr. Fauci or trust Jerad. Tough call!
Ya talkin' 'bout da multi-millionaire dude hoos bonin' Ivanka? Sign me up four dat action, hey?
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Without a bulletproof treatment I doubt we see stadiums full of people in the fall. A vaccine is a long ways out. But a treatment that works and cures the patient is step one.
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Ya talkin' 'bout da multi-millionaire dude hoos bonin' Ivanka? Sign me up four dat action, hey?
Nah
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I agree with everything but this last half of a sentence. Content knowledge is only one small part of getting a degree from a university. A big part of the college experience is learning how to be a successful, independent adult who can effectively communicate and work with colleagues in an increasingly diverse workforce. While math, spanish, biology, etc can be taught effectively online, many intrinsic skills like critical thinking, self determination, intercultural communication, etc cannot.
I'm also not convinced that online education is effective for all students. This is anecdotal, but I have way more students tell me that they login into their zoom lectures for attendance purposes but then leave them on while they go watch TV or play video games. I even had one student tell me that the best part of the pandemic is that he can show up to all his classes stoned without getting caught. I have yet to hear any student say that they think that they are learning more now that all classes are online.
The problem isn't limited to students. Many faculty don't treat their online lectures the same as in person ones. My wife is a PHD student. One of her classes is taught be a world renowned expert in qualitative research. Literally wrote the book on qualitative research in sociology. My wife had class with her last semester and said it was one of the best experiences she ever had. Every class went the full three hours and was filled with the professor's expertise and rich discussion with her classmates. She took her next level course this semester and said since the pandemic it has been a huge waste of time. The professor regularly has issues logging on to zoom, there was 1 class where she showed up 45 minutes late because she couldn't figure out zoom. The class that is supposed to be three hours long is now over after 45 to 90 minutes. The class isn't a discussion any more, its the professor reading a script into a camera and asking if anyone has any questions....which no one ever does (possibly because half of them aren't actually paying attention). Every Tuesday after logging off, my wife declares that she is wasting 1000s of dollars on a sham class.
I know my examples are anecdotal, and I'm sure there are plenty of examples of positive experiences. I also am a firm believer that online education has a critical role in providing educational access to distance learners and those from lower socio-economic statuses. However, I strongly believe that the degree is in fact lessened by the changed experience.
TAMU, we don't agree on much; but I agree with all you said above. We are social creatures by nature and yearn for that human interaction and contact that you cannot get over a computer screen.
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I know my examples are anecdotal, and I'm sure there are plenty of examples of positive experiences. I also am a firm believer that online education has a critical role in providing educational access to distance learners and those from lower socio-economic statuses. However, I strongly believe that the degree is in fact lessened by the changed experience.
For some, maybe, but plenty of people finish in-person college with degrees and never gain those skills you speak of. The problem solving, the critical thinking, the communication skills, many of those skills only come with life experience. Whether it's me or my wife, we've both worked with people that have all the degrees and credentials from in-person education that still struggle with those traits. Especially those fresh out of school.
I think we often overestimate the wisdom gained from a traditional education. The degree will give you the skills, but life will give the wisdom. I still feel those skills can be taught in this environment.
Also, we're still working on the assumption this is temporary. If it's 1-2 semesters out of 8-10 a student will spend in college, I don't think the experience will be meaningfully diminished in the long run, and employers will understand this was everyone's reality in 2020.
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For some, maybe, but plenty of people finish in-person college with degrees and never gain those skills you speak of. The problem solving, the critical thinking, the communication skills, many of those skills only come with life experience. Whether it's me or my wife, we've both worked with people that have all the degrees and credentials from in-person education that still struggle with those traits. Especially those fresh out of school.
I think we often overestimate the wisdom gained from a traditional education. The degree will give you the skills, but life will give the wisdom. I still feel those skills can be taught in this environment.
Also, we're still working on the assumption this is temporary. If it's 1-2 semesters out of 8-10 a student will spend in college, I don't think the experience will be meaningfully diminished in the long run, and employers will understand this was everyone's reality in 2020.
I definitely agree with the last paragraph and pieces of the first two. But I'd argue that those people you and your wife have worked with likely would have struggled even more than they do had they not gotten their degrees. Though its definitely true that there is no one size fits all approach to education.
My personal experience is that college forces most students to be independent and be exposed to people and ideas different from the ones they grew up with. Life can do that too but my experience is that we live in bubbles that are becoming bigger and bigger echo chambers. I know so many friends and family members who are the exact same person they were in high school because they never left their bubble. There are certainly other ways to obtain that growth, but I happen to think that attending an inperson university is one of the best and most efficient ways to do it.
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Hmm. Trust Dr. Fauci or trust Jerad. Tough call!
Are those the only two options? Don't think so.
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Willie seems like a guy who doesn’t understand why a Doctor would be teaching an English course instead of working in a hospital or clinic.
Or the surgeon general.
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Are those the only two options? Don't think so.
No. Trust Trump. He has your best interests at heart.
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No. Trust Trump. He has your best interests at heart.
No thank you. I am trying to recall the last politician that had my best interests at heart and I cannot come up with any.
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Haha no sh!+!!!
Or like the clown the Dems paraded before Congress that is bitching that his opinions were not followed?!?! Bottom line is two years from now we will know where it ended up. To take one doctors opinion and broadcast it across Congress as the definitive answers that must be taken as gospel is... well Shiffty and sensationalism at best
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.
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Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.
That seems to only run one way around here.
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That seems to only run one way around here.
Yeah totally, never mind that literally the post MU82 was quoting was politically motivated from the side that you're claiming is repressed on this board... if you ignore things like that it totally only runs one way.