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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: ChicosBailBonds on June 24, 2014, 09:19:19 AM
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I especially hope Bulls and Lakers fans throw themselves overboard in this process, especially how douchy they have been the last four years. Watching them beg for him to come play in Chicago or Los Angeles is going to be delicious.
"well, dude, I never really hated him and I hope he brings his talents here bra"
"dis here, dat dere I didn't really care you know. We ned Da Mare to make this happen like Mare Daley did in the olden days. Come to Chicago, Lebron, where we have the best Sahssage and Sammich anywhere"
Ultimately I hope he is the ultimate dick tease and stays in Miami or goes to Cleveland, just to watch the fakery of Bulls and Lakers fans reexpose themselves when he makes his final decision.
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Can't speak for all of them, but as a Bulls fan I didn't want him the first time and I hope he doesn't end up there now.
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Yeah, I mean why get the best player in the league when you can be all hustley and grindy with the likes of Noah and Butler.
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Yeah, I mean why get the best player in the league when you can be all hustley and grindy with the likes of Noah and Butler.
I don't think having that opinion makes me dumb as your post implies. As was just proven, there are ways to win without him.
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I'm figurin' on Knicks, hey?
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I especially hope Bulls and Lakers fans throw themselves overboard in this process, especially how douchy they have been the last four years. Watching them beg for him to come play in Chicago or Los Angeles is going to be delicious.
"well, dude, I never really hated him and I hope he brings his talents here bra"
"dis here, dat dere I didn't really care you know. We ned Da Mare to make this happen like Mare Daley did in the olden days. Come to Chicago, Lebron, where we have the best Sahssage and Sammich anywhere"
Ultimately I hope he is the ultimate dick tease and stays in Miami or goes to Cleveland, just to watch the fakery of Bulls and Lakers fans reexpose themselves when he makes his final decision.
How have Bulls and Lakers fans been douchy the last 4 years?
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I don't think having that opinion makes me dumb as your post implies. As was just proven, there are ways to win without him.
Not with the players the Bulls have now...even if they add Carmelo that isn't enough. Adding Lebron James would be the best option available to get the Bulls an NBA Championship in the near term. Why wouldn't you want that?
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How have Bulls and Lakers fans been douchy the last 4 years?
Can't really speak on the LA fans, but being from the Chicago area I know there has been tons of hate being flung at Lebron after he chose Miami. Not after it was known how his decision was made, but after he chose Miami. There were lots of fans that wanted him to come to Chicago and then immediately started hating him after this decision. And this wasn't run-of-the-mill, this player is really good hate (ie. Tom Brady), this was seeking out every opportunity to knock him down.
I get it from Cleveland fans. Fans elsewhere, it doesn't make any sense to me.
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Chico, you've posted this multiple times now, as if it is some kind of a revelation. There is a segment of every fan base in every city or on every campus that loves players when they are being "recruited", hates them when they choose another professional or college team, but would love them again if they choose to "transfer" back to their team. Some of these types root for the Los Angeles Lakers or the Chicago Bulls. Some of these types root for the Dallas Cowboys, the Anaheim Mighty Ducks, the California Angels of Anaheim (or whatever they're called this week), the Kansas Jayhawks, the Indiana Hoosiers and the Marquette Warriors.
This type of thing happens routinely. Everywhere. To some degree, almost all fans are prejudiced in the way that they view their team and the events that affect them. That includes you. On the "Hypocrisy Meter" or the "Delicious Irony Meter" this barely registers - except for those hypocrites who think Lakers or Bulls fans are different from fans everywhere.
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Chicos' hypocrisy crusade has become more intolerable than his Crean sycophancy.
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Cleveland destination would be the most hilarious. The man was burned to the ground by some fans, and if the prodigal son returns they will pave the streets with rose petals. LOL. Many of my relatives are from Cleveland and they are beyond conflicted right now, which they readily admit.
Sports psychology is always fun to observe in the real world.
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He ain't doin' CLE. Even Irving wants out
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Cleveland destination would be the most hilarious. The man was burned to the ground by some fans, and if the prodigal son returns they will pave the streets with rose petals. LOL. Many of my relatives are from Cleveland and they are beyond conflicted right now, which they readily admit.
Sports psychology is always fun to observe in the real world.
Wait... you're related to hypocrites???? You've no other choice but to dissociate immediately.
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I'm figurin' on Knicks, hey?
I dunno, it would be nice to see him in Sonics green
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Did you really make a thread just to be a dick? I mean come on. But in any case I never liked Lebron and don't want him on the bulls. I want Love first and foremost. The only player I dislike as much as Lebron is melo. Point being is that once again you're generalizing a whole group of people which I know you get super upset when people do it to you.
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I get it from Cleveland fans. Fans elsewhere, it doesn't make any sense to me.
And the only reason I "get it" from Cleveland fans is the way he did it. Of course the reaction was way over the top, but the entire "Decision" thing was dumb, and I think (hope) that he learned from that. He should have told the Cavs what his decision was, made an announcement and moved on.
There has only been two times that I can think of where a true superstar left a professional team I am a fan of...Paul Molitor and Brett Favre. Molitor exited with class and I was happy when he won the World Series with the Jays. Favre was an ass about it, and reveled in his failure in Minnesota.
Of course there are always going to be elements of "hate" no matter how classy the departure his handled. But if you handle it well, the haters just end up looking bitter.
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Did you really make a thread just to be a dick? I mean come on. But in any case I never liked Lebron and don't want him on the bulls. I want Love first and foremost. The only player I dislike as much as Lebron is melo. Point being is that once again you're generalizing a whole group of people which I know you get super upset when people do it to you.
For the life of me, I cannot think of one rational reason why a Bulls fan wouldn't want to sign LBJ.
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For the life of me, I cannot think of one rational reason why a Bulls fan wouldn't want to sign LBJ.
To avoid the LeBron circus? To avoid allocating too much money to one single player in order to sign (or re-sign) other players on the team?
Also, I would personally love it if he were on the Bulls. I wouldn't feel hypocritical about that in the slightest.
Count me in the "Please not Melo" and "Kevin Love" camp, however.
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To avoid the LeBron circus? To avoid allocating too much money to one single player in order to sign (or re-sign) other players on the team?
Seemed to work just fine for Miami. The Bulls aren't going anywhere with their current collection.
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Seemed to work just fine for Miami. The Bulls aren't going anywhere with their current collection.
I modified my response to clarify. Agree with you in general, but I was just presenting two rational reasons why a Bulls fan may not want LeBron.
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To avoid the LeBron circus? To avoid allocating too much money to one single player in order to sign (or re-sign) other players on the team?
Also, I would personally love it if he were on the Bulls. I wouldn't feel hypocritical about that in the slightest.
Count me in the "Please not Melo" and "Kevin Love" camp, however.
Aren't there guys making the max on lots of teams? Rather pay Lebron than Joe Johnson or any of the other "max" guys
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I'm figurin' on Knicks, hey?
I'll say
Heat (if Wade opts out)
Clippers (oh the joy this would bring me and the outrage for FLaker fans)
Cavs (only because psychology would be great and I'd love to see Cleveland get their first major title in 50+ years)
Rockets
But to be honest, I'll watch none of the games in the regular season and might catch partial of 2 or 3 in the playoffs, except for the ones I may be invited to attend in person. To me, this is all about watching the psychology of fans.
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How have Bulls and Lakers fans been douchy the last 4 years?
Is this a serious question?
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For the life of me, I cannot think of one rational reason why a Bulls fan wouldn't want to sign LBJ.
Exactly.
It already started in the carpool this morning with the Laker contingent. "I like the guy as a player, I just hated the decision"....what a turn from "I hate Lebron" that I've heard the last four years. Fun ride in this morning. We all had a good laugh. Fan psychology is the best and most irrational thing going.
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I'll put it this way, I would rather see the Lakers win without Lebron than with him, but I would rather see them win than loose. And not all Lakers fans are douchy bra 8-)
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But to be honest, I'll watch none of the games in the regular season and might catch partial of 2 or 3 in the playoffs, except for the ones I may be invited to attend in person. To me, this is all about watching the psychology of fans.
Doesn't get any odder than this.
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Doesn't get any odder than this.
It's always, "can you imagine what X fanbase would say if Y happened?? How hypocritical would that be???" What a useless thing to spend one's brainpower on.
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Is this a serious question?
You do realize how many fan bases absolutely loathe Lebron James and the Miami Heat?
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You do realize how many fan bases absolutely loathe Lebron James and the Miami Heat?
You do realize Chico hates the Bulls and the Lakers, right? That's how a "so what?" topic becomes epic, delicious hypocrisy with imaginary people's heads exploding. The irony, of course, is that he's the real hypocrite in all of this.
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Any Bulls fan saying they don't want Lebron is an idiot.
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I'll put it this way, I would rather see the Lakers win without Lebron than with him, but I would rather see them win than loose. And not all Lakers fans are douchy bra 8-)
Absolutely correct, not all Lakers fans are douchy. Or Bulls fans. Or Notre Dame fans. Or Wisconsin fans. Or Republicans. Or Democrats. Or Muslims. Or Catholics.
But hang loose...or is it hang lose? ;)
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You do realize how many fan bases absolutely loathe Lebron James and the Miami Heat?
Yes, but there are three that rise to the top.
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Any Bulls fan saying they don't want Lebron is an idiot.
Any fan of any team saying they don't want Lebron is an idiot.
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Doesn't get any odder than this.
Just don't care for the NBA that much. Should we talk about Civil Suits instead?
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You do realize Chico hates the Bulls and the Lakers, right? That's how a "so what?" topic becomes epic, delicious hypocrisy with imaginary people's heads exploding. The irony, of course, is that he's the real hypocrite in all of this.
Uhm, you are wrong....again. I don't hate the Lakers or the Bulls or the Jazz or Heat or any other team. Now, some of their fans, those are some I don't care for...mostly racist Blackhawks fans, but that's another conversation. I found myself hoping the Heat would do well the last few years, because of DWade and because of douchy fans getting all upset that he chose to get paid less and play for a championship after trying to carry an entire city for nearly a decade and getting ripped ad nauseum, usually by Jordan sycophants, that he couldn't win the big one. So from that perspective, yes, it was fun to see the Heat win a few titles and watch the misery unfold, especially here in L.A. I knew they wouldn't win this year, called the Spurs in 5 before the series.
What's next, you are going to tell me who my hero is, too, Lenny? LOL
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Any fan of any team saying they don't want Lebron is an idiot.
Lots of idiots when it comes to fandom, whether it is here or elsewhere. Wait until he chooses where he goes and the preordained "I didn't want him anyway". ;)
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I can officially say, as a Bulls fan, I don't want Carmelo.
Kevin Love intrigues me, always been a fan. Traditional for Chico.
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I can officially say, as a Bulls fan, I don't want Carmelo.
Kevin Love intrigues me, always been a fan. Traditional for Chico.
Love is a nice player. Carmelo doesn't play defense, thus not a traditional.
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Uhm, you are wrong....again. I don't hate the Lakers or the Bulls or the Jazz or Heat or any other team. Now, some of their fans, those are some I don't care for...mostly racist Blackhawks fans, but that's another conversation. I found myself hoping the Heat would do well the last few years, because of DWade and because of douchy fans getting all upset that he chose to get paid less and play for a championship after trying to carry an entire city for nearly a decade and getting ripped ad nauseum, usually by Jordan sycophants, that he couldn't win the big one. So from that perspective, yes, it was fun to see the Heat win a few titles and watch the misery unfold, especially here in L.A. I knew they wouldn't win this year, called the Spurs in 5 before the series.
What's next, you are going to tell me who my hero is, too, Lenny? LOL
Please stop. You have countless posts here in which you display your hate for all things Chicago. I don't mind, you hate a lot of people, places and things. I don't, though, understand the joy your hate of stuff brings you. I find it odd that the idea of people's heads exploding (even if only in your imagination) makes you so giddy. To me, that's weird.
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Red Wings fans adjusted when Chelios came over from Chicago. Any NBA fan base will instantly forget everything they ever said about LeBron if he chooses their franchise.
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Please stop. You have countless posts here in which you display your hate for all things Chicago. I don't mind, you hate a lot of people, places and things. I don't, though, understand the joy your hate of stuff brings you. I find it odd that the idea of people's heads exploding (even if only in your imagination) makes you so giddy. To me, that's weird.
Like you with a certain ex coach....LOL. You take the cake.
There are many things about Chicago I like. Some of their sports fans, politicians, corruption, no thanks. Other aspects are terrific.
Again, don't tell me who I hate or who my hero is like you tried the other day. Hate is a really strong word and there are few things in life worth hating, some would say nothing is worth hating. It doesn't promote longevity, that is for sure.
No, hate is definitely the wrong word...watching numbnuts act one way and then have to pivot and take it all back, that's not hate...that's entertainment. It makes me laugh. Laughter is a great elixir. Reminds me of a recent conversation here about meatheads and who deserves winning a Stanley Cup, etc.
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Red Wings fans adjusted when Chelios came over from Chicago. Any NBA fan base will instantly forget everything they ever said about LeBron if he chooses their franchise.
Ding ding ding. Of course, some people might have to try and turn ashes back into clothing and the eating of crow is always fun.
https://www.youtube.com/v/hQ7LaEJ83tg&noredirect=1
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Ding ding ding. Of course, some people might have to try and turn ashes back into clothing and the eating of crow is always fun.
https://www.youtube.com/v/hQ7LaEJ83tg&noredirect=1
I just can't imagine how he would want to return to Cleveland. I do think the fans would turn a complete 180, but he can easily deal with that.
I just can't imagine going back to an owner who so severely and publicly bashed him. It was ridiculously childish the way Dan Gilbert acted and I couldn't imagine going back to work for someone like that.
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Love is a nice player. Carmelo doesn't play defense, thus not a traditional.
Love is Chris Bosh - best player for a bad team.
That's not a bad thing - Bosh is an 11-time all-star. But you aren't EVER going to win a championship if either guy is your best player. Same for Carmelo.
These three are not Franchise players, period. With a franchise player - Lebron, Durrant, Duncan - you always expect to be in the playoffs and generally expect to have a chance to win it all.
Doesn't apply in any way to guys like Carmelo, Love, or Bosh.
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I especially hope Bulls and Lakers fans throw themselves overboard in this process, especially how douchy they have been the last four years. Watching them beg for him to come play in Chicago or Los Angeles is going to be delicious.
"well, dude, I never really hated him and I hope he brings his talents here bra"
"dis here, dat dere I didn't really care you know. We ned Da Mare to make this happen like Mare Daley did in the olden days. Come to Chicago, Lebron, where we have the best Sahssage and Sammich anywhere"
Ultimately I hope he is the ultimate dick tease and stays in Miami or goes to Cleveland, just to watch the fakery of Bulls and Lakers fans reexpose themselves when he makes his final decision.
Oh man. I'm a Bulls fan and I tell ya. There is a lot of Lebron hate around here and I don't get it. I have friends/family who are good smart people who are on the wrong side of the fence on this one. I don't know what they'll do if he were to sign here. I'll tell you it's pretty exciting with rumors swirling about the Bulls making offers for Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony, and likely Lebron. We'll see what happens.
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To avoid the LeBron circus? To avoid allocating too much money to one single player in order to sign (or re-sign) other players on the team?
Also, I would personally love it if he were on the Bulls. I wouldn't feel hypocritical about that in the slightest.
Count me in the "Please not Melo" and "Kevin Love" camp, however.
Wait are you saying please not melo or Kevin love or not melo and yes Kevin love?
Anyways I don't want Lebron because those championships would be forever associated purely with him not the team or franchise. Plus I take pride in having one of the least floppy teams. Also I want the Lebron era to end and make way for a new age whether that's rose, durant, Irving, wall or whomever.
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Wait are you saying please not melo or Kevin love or not melo and yes Kevin love?
Anyways I don't want Lebron because those championships would be forever associated purely with him not the team or franchise. Plus I take pride in having one of the least floppy teams. Also I want the Lebron era to end and make way for a new age whether that's rose, durant, Irving, wall or whomever.
But your signature isn't even to 2015 yet. Don't you need to wait until 2020's, or else you will need to mock up an entirely new graphic
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Wait are you saying please not melo or Kevin love or not melo and yes Kevin love?
Anyways I don't want Lebron because those championships would be forever associated purely with him not the team or franchise. Plus I take pride in having one of the least floppy teams. Also I want the Lebron era to end and make way for a new age whether that's rose, durant, Irving, wall or whomever.
That's gonna be a while.
I was reading a grantland (love that site) about the evolution of Lebron's game and they mentioned how technical and efficient his footwork is and as he gets older and begins to lose his athleticism he will begin to use his size and footwork and develop into one of the better post-players in the game.
Barring injury, his era will still be around for quite a few years.
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Wait are you saying please not melo or Kevin love or not melo and yes Kevin love?
Anyways I don't want Lebron because those championships would be forever associated purely with him not the team or franchise. Plus I take pride in having one of the least floppy teams. Also I want the Lebron era to end and make way for a new age whether that's rose, durant, Irving, wall or whomever.
I think you take championships the way you can get them. Unless they are based in something completely illegal or unethical, why be picky?
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Wait are you saying please not melo or Kevin love or not melo and yes Kevin love?
Anyways I don't want Lebron because those championships would be forever associated purely with him not the team or franchise. Plus I take pride in having one of the least floppy teams. Also I want the Lebron era to end and make way for a new age whether that's rose, durant, Irving, wall or whomever.
I would be furious if the Bulls got Melo. Melo is the definition of a player that is over-rated simply because he scores points. For his career, Anthony is an average player. My only (slim) hope would be that Thibs keeps Melo's game in check.
I would be ecstatic if the Bulls got Love. Love is the definition of a player that is under-rated simply because he does a lot of other very good things besides score points. I think Love is a top 5-10 NBA player.
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I would be furious if the Bulls got Melo. Melo is the definition of a player that is over-rated simply because he scores points. For his career, Anthony is an average player. My only (slim) hope would be that Thibs keeps Melo's game in check.
I would be ecstatic if the Bulls got Love. Love is the definition of a player that is under-rated simply because he does a lot of other very good things besides score points. I think Love is a top 5-10 NBA player.
The several Knicks fans that I know that watch the games a lot are ecstatic that Melo is leaving.
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But your signature isn't even to 2015 yet. Don't you need to wait until 2020's, or else you will need to mock up an entirely new graphic
In all honesty now that the play offs are over I'll have a new one very soon.
That's gonna be a while.
I was reading a grantland (love that site) about the evolution of Lebron's game and they mentioned how technical and efficient his footwork is and as he gets older and begins to lose his athleticism he will begin to use his size and footwork and develop into one of the better post-players in the game.
Barring injury, his era will still be around for quite a few years.
I agree he'll be around for awhile, I don't doubt that. But as far as him being a dynasty player that's what I'm looking for to end. Personally I also kind of think Durant is fast on Lebron's heels so I'm not sure how much longer he'll be 'far and away the best player on the planet'.
I would be furious if the Bulls got Melo. Melo is the definition of a player that is over-rated simply because he scores points. For his career, Anthony is an average player. My only (slim) hope would be that Thibs keeps Melo's game in check.
I would be ecstatic if the Bulls got Love. Love is the definition of a player that is under-rated simply because he does a lot of other very good things besides score points. I think Love is a top 5-10 NBA player.
Gotcha, I completely agree and just wanted to make sure I was reading it right before saying something like '+100'
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Like you with a certain ex coach....LOL. You take the cake.
I have a great deal of distaste for that guy. One of a handful of guys I know a lot about whom I really don't like. And I've never been anything but honest and forthright about how I feel.
You? Not so much. Claim to think Crean is a douche while writing thousands of posts defending him on every level, personal and professional. You've carried enough water for him to fill Lake Michigan - normal people don't do that for people they think is a douche. Period.
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I guess I just don't understand the point of this thread. Fanbases are hypocritical? Fanbases are biased? Fanbases can be butt-hurt? All truths. For every fanbase, ever. So, why need to point out the Lakers or Bulls or Cavs or whoever else? Is there some personal bias or selectivity going on?
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I guess I just don't understand the point of this thread. Fanbases are hypocritical? Fanbases are biased? Fanbases can be butt-hurt? All truths. For every fanbase, ever. So, why need to point out the Lakers or Bulls or Cavs or whoever else? Is there some personal bias or selectivity going on?
Bingo. Thread was just an excuse for another "Look at me" rant. Silly.
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I would be furious if the Bulls got Melo. Melo is the definition of a player that is over-rated simply because he scores points. For his career, Anthony is an average player. My only (slim) hope would be that Thibs keeps Melo's game in check.
I would be ecstatic if the Bulls got Love. Love is the definition of a player that is under-rated simply because he does a lot of other very good things besides score points. I think Love is a top 5-10 NBA player.
Henry, my eye test agrees with you. I don't know how to quantify it, but Carmelo just sucks the life out of his teammates. It's not just that he shoots a lot. It's that he dribbles a lot. He just monopolizes the ball. He's really talented and can score creatively, but I think if he does win a championship, he'll get one like Bob McAdoo at the end of his career as instant offense of the bench, not as the guy you rely on to take you to the top.
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In all honesty now that the play offs are over I'll have a new one very soon.
Can I recommend the Kobe picture be put in an orange jumpsuit, or something with horizontal stripes?
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Not sure I get the start of this thread, any non meatball Bulls fan would love LeBron and take him in a second.
I don't believe LeBron or Melo end up leaving Miami or NYC. Anthony really loves money, where as LeBron doesn't value it the same way. Be interesting if Knicks offer him low $100's and not the max, would put Anthony in weird situation.
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Henry, my eye test agrees with you. I don't know how to quantify it, but Carmelo just sucks the life out of his teammates. It's not just that he shoots a lot. It's that he dribbles a lot. He just monopolizes the ball. He's really talented and can score creatively, but I think if he does win a championship, he'll get one like Bob McAdoo at the end of his career as instant offense of the bench, not as the guy you rely on to take you to the top.
He's a ball stop that doesn't make his teammates better.
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I would be furious if the Bulls got Melo. Melo is the definition of a player that is over-rated simply because he scores points. For his career, Anthony is an average player. My only (slim) hope would be that Thibs keeps Melo's game in check.
I would be ecstatic if the Bulls got Love. Love is the definition of a player that is under-rated simply because he does a lot of other very good things besides score points. I think Love is a top 5-10 NBA player.
1,000% agree with this, and I'm not even a Bulls fan. Melo is the ultimate ball stopper on offense. Just jacks up shots. Love is not the typical guy putting up big numbers on bad teams via volume shooting. He still manages to be efficient even though he's the focal point of the defense. Definitely agree on the top 10 player comment re: Love. He's still really young too.
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I guess I just don't understand the point of this thread. Fanbases are hypocritical? Fanbases are biased? Fanbases can be butt-hurt? All truths. For every fanbase, ever. So, why need to point out the Lakers or Bulls or Cavs or whoever else? Is there some personal bias or selectivity going on?
If anything, we can see plenty of butt hurt in this thread and some don't like being called on it. Some fanbases are a lot worse than others.
If you don't understand the point of this thread, why chime in? Plenty of others saw the point, admit the issue or understand the issue. Its really not that hard. The most gifted NBA player has decided to opt out. The fanbases that have done nothing but crap on him the last few years now are trying to get him to come their way. Someone points out the hypocrisy, others don't like it while others are truthful enough about it and admit it. Truly, not that hard to digest. The point is the psychology of it all. In this very thread, it is alive and well. Some are conflicted, some want nothing to do with him, some will plug their noses but accept him, others want him no matter what.
All kinds of viewpoints and opinions. Thing is, sometimes those viewpoints and opinions don't go over well, then you get labeled as a Chicago hater. Or they start picking your heroes for you. Be warned, could happen to you.
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If anything, we can see plenty of butt hurt in this thread and some don't like being called on it. Some fanbases are a lot worse than others.
If you don't understand the point of this thread, why chime in? Plenty of others saw the point, admit the issue or understand the issue. Its really not that hard. The most gifted NBA player has decided to opt out. The fanbases that have done nothing but crap on him the last few years now are trying to get him to come their way. Someone points out the hypocrisy, others don't like it while others are truthful enough about it and admit it. Truly, not that hard to digest. The point is the psychology of it all. In this very thread, it is alive and well. Some are conflicted, some want nothing to do with him, some will plug their noses but accept him, others want him no matter what.
All kinds of viewpoints and opinions. Thing is, sometimes those viewpoints and opinions don't go over well, then you get labeled as a Chicago hater. Or they start picking your heroes for you. Be warned, could happen to you.
Fair enough
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If anything, we can see plenty of butt hurt in this thread and some don't like being called on it. Some fanbases are a lot worse than others.
If you don't understand the point of this thread, why chime in? Plenty of others saw the point, admit the issue or understand the issue. Its really not that hard. The most gifted NBA player has decided to opt out. The fanbases that have done nothing but crap on him the last few years now are trying to get him to come their way. Someone points out the hypocrisy, others don't like it while others are truthful enough about it and admit it. Truly, not that hard to digest. The point is the psychology of it all. In this very thread, it is alive and well. Some are conflicted, some want nothing to do with him, some will plug their noses but accept him, others want him no matter what.
All kinds of viewpoints and opinions. Thing is, sometimes those viewpoints and opinions don't go over well, then you get labeled as a Chicago hater. Or they start picking your heroes for you. Be warned, could happen to you.
Dude you're a parody of yourself.
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I would be furious if the Bulls got Melo. Melo is the definition of a player that is over-rated simply because he scores points. For his career, Anthony is an average player. My only (slim) hope would be that Thibs keeps Melo's game in check.
I would be ecstatic if the Bulls got Love. Love is the definition of a player that is under-rated simply because he does a lot of other very good things besides score points. I think Love is a top 5-10 NBA player.
Comparable to Bosh at same age. Worthy of being an all-star, but not a game changer - as his playoff record indicates
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Comparable to Bosh at same age. Worthy of being an all-star, but not a game changer - as his playoff record indicates
Only one on one I'd take Melo every day over Bosh. Melo just isn't ever going to be good for a team. You'd need someone like Stockton running point dishing out insane assists to boost Melo.
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I have a great deal of distaste for that guy. One of a handful of guys I know a lot about whom I really don't like. And I've never been anything but honest and forthright about how I feel.
You? Not so much. Claim to think Crean is a douche while writing thousands of posts defending him on every level, personal and professional. You've carried enough water for him to fill Lake Michigan - normal people don't do that for people they think is a douche. Period.
You read what you want. I've ripped him plenty of times, I just don't go to the childhood level you and others do about his wife, his skin color, or whether he kissed his son. To each their own. I also happen to know plenty of quality stories about him and people, families that he has helped, etc. Those are rarely spoken about.
I've been forthright and honest from the start about him. You guys get upset when someone dares to bring facts into the conversation, it doesn't sit well with you. There's a big difference. Doesn't change that he is a jerk to work for, but it also doesn't change that guys like Wade, Diener, Novak, etc loved playing for him...I realize that doesn't sit well with you, but if someone says it doesn't mean they are defending him, it means they are speaking the truth about him. Sometimes the truth hurts. I'm not aware of any civil suits against the university because of his players either.
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I hope whoever the Bucks end up getting can be a franchise changer. Would imagine if Jabari is there at 2, Jazz will try to make an offer to the Bucks to move up and swap picks plus Burke/future pick(s).
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While I see what some here are saying regarding Melo being overrated, especially in light of his tenure on the disfunctional Knicks, I think there are some other things to consider.
The 2 instances Melo had had good coaches and teammates he's been a champion. At Cuse and the US team. He's been arguably the best international player from the US over the past decade, and if he isn't 1A, he's 1B to Lebron. With the exception of Lebron, Coach K said Carmelo was the most versatile player he's coached (high praise). Give him competent teammates and a good coach who actually has a plan (the Bulls) and I think we would see the more efficient and focused Melo that wins. Besides, the Bulls need a volume scorer, not a defensive stopper. I'll take Melo chucking up shots over Dj Augustin, Nate Robinson, or Captain Kirk chucking up shots any day of the week.
If people prefer Love, so be it. I'd take him too; but unlike Love, Melo has dragged some pretty inept teams to the playoffs, both in the east and west all by himself. Love has not. People are bringing up Duncan and Lebron as comparisons...Lebron has 0 titles without Wade and Bosh. Duncan has never played without some combo of the Admiral, Tony Parker, and Manu and has had maybe the best coach in the game this whole time. While I understand Melo is perhaps to blame for his predicament of being surrounded with useless teammates by forcing trades and taking a max deal, who is the best player Melo has had as a teammate? Kenyon Martin? The gimp version of Amare Stoudemire? If I'm Melo, better me to be the "ball stopper" than jr smith or whatever other stiffs the Knicks got.
Lebron isn't coming to the bulls, Melo probably won't either, but if he does I sure as hell won't be complaining. I think he and the Bulls compliment each other well, and Thibs can mask his deficiencies on the defensive end (it's already been reported that Thibs says he can make it work). It's been proven the bulls won't win as constructed, and adding Aaron Afflalo sure isn't gonna change that.
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I hope whoever the Bucks end up getting can be a franchise changer. Would imagine if Jabari is there at 2, Jazz will try to make an offer to the Bucks to move up and swap picks plus Burke/future pick(s).
That's why I am hoping for Wiggins or even still, Embiid.
I think Parker will be a very nice NBA player, but all the comparisons I've seen by GMs are either Melo or the Big Dog. Good players, but not franchise players.
Wiggins and Embiid both possess a bigger flop possibility, but also the ability to become franchise players who can lead a team for a long time. They are very hard to find - probably only two in the league right now with LJ and KD. Don't think Kobe and Duncan are there anymore.
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If people prefer Love, so be it. I'd take him too; but unlike Love, Melo has dragged some pretty inept teams to the playoffs, both in the east and west all by himself. Love has not. People are bringing up Duncan and Lebron as comparisons...Lebron has 0 titles without Wade and Bosh. Duncan has never played without some combo of the Admiral, Tony Parker, and Manu and has had maybe the best coach in the game this whole time. While I understand Melo is perhaps to blame for his predicament of being surrounded with useless teammates by forcing trades and taking a max deal, who is the best player Melo has had as a teammate? Kenyon Martin? The gimp version of Amare Stoudemire? If I'm Melo, better me to be the "ball stopper" than jr smith or whatever other stiffs the Knicks got.
I don't understand the point!!
Jordan has 0 titles without Scottie.
Bill Russell has 0 titles without multiple other hall of famers on the team.
Actually, Kobe and DWade are the only 2 guys I can think of in recent years who have basically led a team to a championship with little help.
Kobe had Pau Gasol and Wade had a washed up O'neal
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That's why I am hoping for Wiggins or even still, Embiid.
I think Parker will be a very nice NBA player, but all the comparisons I've seen by GMs are either Melo or the Big Dog. Good players, but not franchise players.
Wiggins and Embiid both possess a bigger flop possibility, but also the ability to become franchise players who can lead a team for a long time. They are very hard to find - probably only two in the league right now with LJ and KD. Don't think Kobe and Duncan are there anymore.
As a Bucks fan, would you take Trey Burke, #5 overall, and a conditional future 1st round swap with the Jazz for the #2 pick? Maybe Embiid is there at 5, and you get a young PG and future asset.
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Love is Chris Bosh - best player for a bad team.
That's not a bad thing - Bosh is an 11-time all-star. But you aren't EVER going to win a championship if either guy is your best player. Same for Carmelo.
These three are not Franchise players, period. With a franchise player - Lebron, Durrant, Duncan - you always expect to be in the playoffs and generally expect to have a chance to win it all.
Doesn't apply in any way to guys like Carmelo, Love, or Bosh.
My point is you can't "make your teammates better" if your teammates suck. Give Carmelo 2 all-stars and a top coach and see how it shakes out before we say he'll never win. All these "franchise" players you named are surrounded with talented teammates, and the one's with championships have good coaches. Durant has had talented teammates and still hasn't won. How can you say it "doesn't apply" to Carmelo when he's never been in a situation that is conducive to winning? That is my point. Lebron, Durant, and Duncan's worst supporting casts in their careers are probably the equivalent to Melo's best supporting cast he's had.
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As a Bucks fan, would you take Trey Burke, #5 overall, and a conditional future 1st round swap with the Jazz for the #2 pick? Maybe Embiid is there at 5, and you get a young PG and future asset.
Wow, that would be a hard one to turn down. I definitely would if the Cavs take Wiggins and may do it anyway.
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My point is you can't "make your teammates better" if your teammates suck. Give Carmelo 2 all-stars and a top coach and see how it shakes out before we say he'll never win. All these "franchise" players you named are surrounded with talented teammates, and the one's with championships have good coaches. Durant has had talented teammates and still hasn't won. How can you say it "doesn't apply" to Carmelo when he's never been in a situation that is conducive to winning? That is my point. Lebron, Durant, and Duncan's worst supporting casts in their careers are probably the equivalent to Melo's best supporting cast he's had.
I can't really argue your points. Melo did have a good coach in Denver but not a good cast.
I just don't think you can plug Melo in anywhere with good players. He's a great score and very good rebounder for a SF, but I don't know how he will fit with guys like Lebron or Derrick or Kobe who also need the ball to be successful. Is Melo willing to give it up for the sake of the team or only pass when he can't get a shot off on his own?
I see him as similar to Glenn Robinson - very good offensive player who doesn't enhance the overall team. But, I think if Melo found his Scottie Pippen who can do everything on both ends while not demanding the ball, his team would be very successful.
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I just don't think you can plug Melo in anywhere with good players. He's a great score and very good rebounder for a SF, but I don't know how he will fit with guys like Lebron or Derrick or Kobe who also need the ball to be successful. Is Melo willing to give it up for the sake of the team or only pass when he can't get a shot off on his own?
Yeah, your concerns (as well as the others) are valid. That's why I referenced the US team and Cuse, it's at least a possibility under the right circumstances that Melo can play well with others and win.
I also am coming at it from the view of a Bulls fan who saw D Rose getting swarmed by Lebron and Wade everytime he crossed half-court because they knew damn well Keith Bogans wasn't gonna hit an open 3 or that Kyle Korver wasn't gonna create his own shot. At this point, I think Rose and Melo can help each others' causes by taking pressure off each other. If you recall, Rose was more of a facilitator at Memphis (and at Simeon), and pretty much only dominated the ball on the Bulls because the rest of his team was severely offensively challenged.
Pretty much just wishful thinking at this point, as I'll believe it when I see it as to either Melo or Love ending up on the Bulls.
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While I see what some here are saying regarding Melo being overrated, especially in light of his tenure on the disfunctional Knicks, I think there are some other things to consider.
The 2 instances Melo had had good coaches and teammates he's been a champion. At Cuse and the US team. He's been arguably the best international player from the US over the past decade, and if he isn't 1A, he's 1B to Lebron. With the exception of Lebron, Coach K said Carmelo was the most versatile player he's coached (high praise). Give him competent teammates and a good coach who actually has a plan (the Bulls) and I think we would see the more efficient and focused Melo that wins. Besides, the Bulls need a volume scorer, not a defensive stopper. I'll take Melo chucking up shots over Dj Augustin, Nate Robinson, or Captain Kirk chucking up shots any day of the week.
If people prefer Love, so be it. I'd take him too; but unlike Love, Melo has dragged some pretty inept teams to the playoffs, both in the east and west all by himself. Love has not. People are bringing up Duncan and Lebron as comparisons...Lebron has 0 titles without Wade and Bosh. Duncan has never played without some combo of the Admiral, Tony Parker, and Manu and has had maybe the best coach in the game this whole time. While I understand Melo is perhaps to blame for his predicament of being surrounded with useless teammates by forcing trades and taking a max deal, who is the best player Melo has had as a teammate? Kenyon Martin? The gimp version of Amare Stoudemire? If I'm Melo, better me to be the "ball stopper" than jr smith or whatever other stiffs the Knicks got.
Lebron isn't coming to the bulls, Melo probably won't either, but if he does I sure as hell won't be complaining. I think he and the Bulls compliment each other well, and Thibs can mask his deficiencies on the defensive end (it's already been reported that Thibs says he can make it work). It's been proven the bulls won't win as constructed, and adding Aaron Afflalo sure isn't gonna change that.
In all fairness it's been ages and ages since we had the opportunity at full strength to show that we can or can't win. And the last time we were at full strength we made the Eastern finals as the one seed, and followed that with another one seed before our franchise player went down.
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Actually, Kobe and DWade are the only 2 guys I can think of in recent years who have basically led a team to a championship with little help.
Kobe had Pau Gasol and Wade had a washed up O'neal
If you're listing Kobe and Wade, you need to list Dirk in 2011.
However, I can't believe you just said Pau was only "little help". In the three seasons prior to Pau's arrival in LA, Kobe won zero playoff series. After trading for him, they made the finals three straight Finals, and won two of them. Kobe had significant help.
No star player wins an NBA title w/o significant help.
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Wait are you saying please not melo or Kevin love or not melo and yes Kevin love?
Anyways I don't want Lebron because those championships would be forever associated purely with him not the team or franchise. Plus I take pride in having one of the least floppy teams. Also I want the Lebron era to end and make way for a new age whether that's rose, durant, Irving, wall or whomever.
Sorry but any team with Carlos Boozer on it is immediately out of the conversation (if there is one) for "least floppy team."
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I have a great deal of distaste for that guy. One of a handful of guys I know a lot about whom I really don't like. And I've never been anything but honest and forthright about how I feel.
You? Not so much. Claim to think Crean is a douche while writing thousands of posts defending him on every level, personal and professional. You've carried enough water for him to fill Lake Michigan - normal people don't do that for people they think is a douche. Period.
Lenny your obsession with disagreeing with Chicos just to disagree is pretty friggin weird. I've given Chicos plenty if crap for a number of things on here, I find some of his posting tendencies to be odd and obnoxious, but man, you sound like the 7th grade boy whose best friend stole his girlfriend and now absolutely anything he says you have to make fun of to everybody else in the class. It is truly weird.
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In all fairness it's been ages and ages since we had the opportunity at full strength to show that we can or can't win. And the last time we were at full strength we made the Eastern finals as the one seed, and followed that with another one seed before our franchise player went down.
Good thing Rose opted to not play in the Playoffs in order to get his muscle memory back. He would've been at a higher risk to reinjure that knee had he not done that. Oh wait...
Will Derrick Rose ever play a basketball game again?
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If you're listing Kobe and Wade, you need to list Dirk in 2011.
However, I can't believe you just said Pau was only "little help". In the three seasons prior to Pau's arrival in LA, Kobe won zero playoff series. After trading for him, they made the finals three straight Finals, and won two of them. Kobe had significant help.
No star player wins an NBA title w/o significant help.
You're right - I forgot Dirk.
I didn't mean that Pau was "little help" - but he certainly is not an elite player or future HOFer.
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Lenny your obsession with disagreeing with Chicos just to disagree is pretty friggin weird. I've given Chicos plenty if crap for a number of things on here, I find some of his posting tendencies to be odd and obnoxious, but man, you sound like the 7th grade boy whose best friend stole his girlfriend and now absolutely anything he says you have to make fun of to everybody else in the class. It is truly weird.
Wades - I actually agree with Chico on more than you would think. But his whole look at me persona, hyperbole, dishonest style, etc., bugs me a great deal, so when we lock horns I (and he) sometimes go overboard. Sorry if that bothers you. Want to call me obsessed, weird, a jilted 7th grader, fine, I guess. But if it bothers you that much you could put me on ignore.
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Boozer will be amnestied, no doubt.
Rose is probably not going to be a franchise player ever again, it's just not likely given the injuries. Quite frankly, he was never the complete player that is needed to be a franchise player. LeBron absolutely shut him down in the playoffs when he wanted to and Rose had zero rebuttal it. The issue for GarPax if Rose isn't that player it's his contract, 30%ish of the cap space hurts big time.
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Sorry but any team with Carlos Boozer on it is immediately out of the conversation (if there is one) for "least floppy team."
I did not say the least floppy team. But yes of course there is one saying that it's impossible to have a least floppy team is a stupid statement. All it'd take is someone crunching numbers after watching every game the entire year. But in any case I still maintain the Bulls are one of the least floppy teams.
Good thing Rose opted to not play in the Playoffs in order to get his muscle memory back. He would've been at a higher risk to reinjure that knee had he not done that. Oh wait...
Will Derrick Rose ever play a basketball game again?
I'm not sure if that was supposed to be insulting to me or what but it wasn't. I'm pissed Rose didn't step up. It's insulting to the team and his talent. The point is though that he still didn't play and so you can't say that the Bulls have been at full strength in the playoffs for the past 3 seasons.
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Boozer will be amnestied, no doubt.
Rose is probably not going to be a franchise player ever again, it's just not likely given the injuries. Quite frankly, he was never the complete player that is needed to be a franchise player. LeBron absolutely shut him down in the playoffs when he wanted to and Rose had zero rebuttal it. The issue for GarPax if Rose isn't that player it's his contract, 30%ish of the cap space hurts big time.
If we can get Westbrook or even John Wall play from him and through another star on there he'll still be worth big money. Not nearly as much as he's paid currently but still good money. I think we shot ourselves in the foot by anointing him as our hometown hero and what not. We're too invested now to let go.
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If we can get Westbrook or even John Wall play from him and through another star on there he'll still be worth big money. Not nearly as much as he's paid currently but still good money. I think we shot ourselves in the foot by anointing him as our hometown hero and what not. We're too invested now to let go.
Even if you get a Westbrook caliber, it's bad, bad money. $20 million cap hit for three seasons limits what GarPax can really do. Derrick isn't interested in restructuring and just don't think the Bulls are either since involves extra years.
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The Bulls do NOT want to amnesty Boozer. I know people are assuming that is automatic, but it will only happen as a last resort, if they absolutely must do it.
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The Bulls do NOT want to amnesty Boozer. I know people are assuming that is automatic, but it will only happen as a last resort, if they absolutely must do it.
Gross.
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I hope whoever the Bucks end up getting can be a franchise changer. Would imagine if Jabari is there at 2, Jazz will try to make an offer to the Bucks to move up and swap picks plus Burke/future pick(s).
Exum. Exum. Exum. Exum.
Go for the home run, you are the Bucks. Go to war with Giannis (who is apparently almost 6'11 now!), and still what 19 years old, Exum, who is 18, Henson, trade Sanders for .50 on the dollar, get some shooters.
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As a Bulls fan, all I can say is look to the Dennis Rodman example. Fans HATED on him when he was Detroit, and then he became "Our Guy" and a "lunch-bucket" hero.
Has happened here before, and in every other city too (see also, Bob Probert for another, albeit shorter lived (gulp), example of the Detroit to Chicago model). And it will happen again.
Not sure that it is delicious, but it always amuses me.
LeBron isn't coming to Chicago, but if he did, he would become an instant object of worship (as he would be again in Cleveland, where the hate was much more real-in Chicago the "hate" was more limited to knuckleheads).
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And the only reason I "get it" from Cleveland fans is the way he did it. Of course the reaction was way over the top, but the entire "Decision" thing was dumb, and I think (hope) that he learned from that. He should have told the Cavs what his decision was, made an announcement and moved on.
There has only been two times that I can think of where a true superstar left a professional team I am a fan of...Paul Molitor and Brett Favre. Molitor exited with class and I was happy when he won the World Series with the Jays. Favre was an ass about it, and reveled in his failure in Minnesota.
Of course there are always going to be elements of "hate" no matter how classy the departure his handled. But if you handle it well, the haters just end up looking bitter.
I know this is off topic, but why do you call Favre's time at Mn a "failure"? He had them in the NFC championship, and would have put the Vikes in the SB, except for the fact that the Saints intentionally injured him.
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I know this is off topic, but why do you call Favre's time at Mn a "failure"? He had them in the NFC championship, and would have put the Vikes in the SB, except for the fact that the Saints intentionally injured him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoJ_K4Mlt4w
The greatest moment of schadenfreude in my lifetime. Given that just over a year later Rodgers was Super Bowl MVP made it all the more sweeter.
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In all fairness it's been ages and ages since we had the opportunity at full strength to show that we can or can't win. And the last time we were at full strength we made the Eastern finals as the one seed, and followed that with another one seed before our franchise player went down.
That's because the Bulls have a hell of a coach. One of the best in the NBA. But they simply don't have the players. They are clearly in NBA hell right now...they either have to get a lot worse, or a lot better.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoJ_K4Mlt4w
The greatest moment of schadenfreude in my lifetime. Given that just over a year later Rodgers was Super Bowl MVP made it all the more sweeter.
That's a funny video!
Since I am off topic anyways, how many Packer fans does it take to change a light bulb?
Three. One to change the bulb, and two to talk about how good the old one was.
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That's because the Bulls have a hell of a coach. One of the best in the NBA. But they simply don't have the players. They are clearly in NBA hell right now...they either have to get a lot worse, or a lot better.
They have one of the best PGs in the league, he just doesn't play, and they have one of the best centers in the league. They have two of the players needed
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They have one of the best PGs in the league, he just doesn't play, and they have one of the best centers in the league. They have two of the players needed
Honest question, is Derrick Rose, right now, a top 10 PG? Those in front him IMHO, in no order. Kyrie , Steph Curry, Chris Paul, Rondo, Westbrook.
Next tier: Lillard, Wall, Bledsoe, Rose, Parker
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Honest question, is Derrick Rose, right now, a top 10 PG? Those in front him IMHO, in no order. Kyrie , Steph Curry, Chris Paul, Rondo, Westbrook.
Next tier: Lillard, Wall, Bledsoe, Rose, Parker
You can't even call Rose a top whatever. Let's see what is left in those knees first.
When he came back for those 10 games, he was definitely behind that first tier of point guards.
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Honest question, is Derrick Rose, right now, a top 10 PG? Those in front him IMHO, in no order. Kyrie , Steph Curry, Chris Paul, Rondo, Westbrook.
Next tier: Lillard, Wall, Bledsoe, Rose, Parker
You really think Tony Parker is a second tier point guard in the NBA? I don't think there is a better point guard in the NBA at all. CP3 is the only one who is even close.
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They have one of the best PGs in the league, he just doesn't play, and they have one of the best centers in the league. They have two of the players needed
Rose has a lot to prove before you can seriously call him "one of the best in the league." And Noah being one of the best centers in the league says a lot more about the sorry state of the center position than it does about Noah.
You need two-and-a-half stars to win an NBA title. Right now you probably have one or one and a half with Rose and Noah.
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You really think Tony Parker is a second tier point guard in the NBA? I don't think there is a better point guard in the NBA at all. CP3 is the only one who is even close.
Mostly just based off of age with Parker being 32.
But fine, sure, I don't care.
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Sounds like Bosh and Wade re-upping with Miami. Situation interesting now
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Sounds like Bosh and Wade re-upping with Miami. Situation interesting now
Haslem will also re-sign and I'm guessing that Lebron is also as good as signed with the Heat.
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You really think Tony Parker is a second tier point guard in the NBA? I don't think there is a better point guard in the NBA at all. CP3 is the only one who is even close.
I'd take Lillard ahead of Rondo in a heartbeat, and I'm guessing most NBA GMs would, too. And Parker is a HoFer with still plenty left in the tank.
Rose, if healthy, is right with all of them. Guys have come back from worse. Bernard King practically had no knees at all and was still a stud. The Panthers have a LB named Thomas Davis who suffered three tears of the same ACL and he came back to be outstanding.
Too early to count Rose out, but we'll have to see.