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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Doris Burkes Thong on February 27, 2011, 05:34:04 PM
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He was talking about Jimmy saying how people will be surprised where he will be playing basketball next year(my interpretation was he was referring to the NBA) and he just talked about how high a bball IQ he has and how underrated his athleticism is. He said he is an elite level athlete, but it just kinda goes unnoticed. I agree with him though about Jimmy and I bet he ends up making the league by the same route Wes did. He actually reminds me a lot of Wes, how about you folks? However, I don't see him signing a 35 million dollar contract in his 2nd year in the NBA. :)
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I think JFB will play in the association.
Buzz also mentioned (sarcastically) that he played EWill because that is what some posters on the message boards want. ;)
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I think JFB will play in the association.
Buzz also mentioned (sarcastically) that he played EWill because that is what some posters on the message boards want. ;)
I'll play the role of 4everwarriors and gladly take a bet on JFB in the association next year. I love the kid, but do not see it at all. Not at all. Any takers?
As for the message boards...LOL. I think I can identify Buzz's username here.
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I'll play the role of 4everwarriors and gladly take a bet on JFB in the association next year. I love the kid, but do not see it at all. Not at all. Any takers?
As for the message boards...LOL. I think I can identify Buzz's username here.
..., and it is...?
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As for the message boards...LOL. I think I can identify Buzz's username here.
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Is it "Crean Sucks Balls?"
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As for the message boards...LOL. I think I can identify Buzz's username here.
Is it "Crean Sucks Balls?"
Is "Canadian Dimes" Cadougan's username. He's Canadian and he drops Dimes.
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Im buzz pretty boys.
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Is "Canadian Dimes" Cadougan's username. He's Canadian and he drops Dimes.
Oh no, Robby has been around long before Buzz came to MU.
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CBB, I'm in for the James Butler being on an NBA roster in the 2011-2012 roster.
PS: Only condition is that there is indeed a 2011-2012 season.
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CBB, I'm in for the James Butler being on an NBA roster in the 2011-2012 roster.
PS: Only condition is that there is indeed a 2011-2012 season.
What's the bet? I agree to the condition, by the way.
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The only thing holding Jimmy back right now is a perceived lack of an outside shot, something he is really going to need at the next level. It seems like hes actually a pretty solid 3 point shooter, always wondered why he didn't take more, could really open up his offensive game even more.
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The only thing holding Jimmy back right now is a perceived lack of an outside shot, something he is really going to need at the next level. It seems like hes actually a pretty solid 3 point shooter, always wondered why he didn't take more, could really open up his offensive game even more.
I don't see him as near the player Wesley Matthews was, and Matthews didn't get drafted. Matthews was able to make it on a roster but that is rare. I'd be surprised if JFB makes it on a NBA roster this upcoming season, but I sure as hell hope he does.
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I think JFB will play in the association.
Buzz also mentioned (sarcastically) that he played EWill because that is what some posters on the message boards want. ;)
Maybe two posters have said that. There is no way he should be starting over Crowder. This is just Buzz's phony baloney that the 5 toughest start.
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I like the expanded rotation. I have been sayinging since January that Cadougan should start. Buzz obviously reads my stuff. ::) Starting EWill (or Fulce on Wednesday) is an opportunity to keep Jae out of early foul trouble and get EWill/Fulce at least a few consistent minutes. Showtime Lakers started Rambis over McAdoo, Sixers started Iavaroni over Bobby Jones. The Bucks brought Ricky Pierce (sp?) off of the bench when he could/should have started. Just because it doesn't happen all of the time doesn't mean that the strategy of bringing the better player off of the bench and still letting them get starters minutes doesn't/can't work. Buzz tried bringing Butler off of the bench, but it didn't really gel. Starting Cadougan and EWill/Fulce has worked for 3 straight games. This is one of those strategy things.
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I don't see him as near the player Wesley Matthews was, and Matthews didn't get drafted. Matthews was able to make it on a roster but that is rare. I'd be surprised if JFB makes it on a NBA roster this upcoming season, but I sure as hell hope he does.
Agreed, but the 2011 draft is going to be one of the weaker drafts in recent memory. I can see JFB as a late 2nd round choice, but that will depend on the number of foreign players selected.
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I don't see him as near the player Wesley Matthews was, and Matthews didn't get drafted. Matthews was able to make it on a roster but that is rare. I'd be surprised if JFB makes it on a NBA roster this upcoming season, but I sure as hell hope he does.
I think he's very close to the player Matthews was. For one thing, he's much more of a focal point on this team than Wesley ever was. He's also a better defender (in college) and a better rebounder. For all the talk about his shooting, he seems to have a very nice mid-range game and, if memory serves, hit some very clutch threes vs. Syracuse. I'm not saying he's going to get drafted, but he is very definitely comparable to Matthews. He's probably not quite as athletic, but he's a better ball handler and passer. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him drafted. If we were to put together a highlight reel of Marquette players over the past 10 years, there is only one guy with a more impressive set of clips and he's an NBA all star.
I'll go you one further, if I had a choice between drafting 2010 Lazar and 2011 Butler i would take Butler every day. I was thrilled to see Hayward drafted but he's at his ceiling and he's never going to be a dynamc open court player. Butler can be.
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I think he's very close to the player Matthews was. For one thing, he's much more of a focal point on this team than Wesley ever was. He's also a better defender (in college) and a better rebounder. For all the talk about his shooting, he seems to have a very nice mid-range game and, if memory serves, hit some very clutch threes vs. Syracuse. I'm not saying he's going to get drafted, but he is very definitely comparable to Matthews. He's probably not quite as athletic, but he's a better ball handler and passer. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him drafted. If we were to put together a highlight reel of Marquette players over the past 10 years, there is only one guy with a more impressive set of clips and he's an NBA all star.
I'll go you one further, if I had a choice between drafting 2010 Lazar and 2011 Butler i would take Butler every day. I was thrilled to see Hayward drafted but he's at his ceiling and he's never going to be a dynamc open court player. Butler can be.
I love Butler. LOVE him. I wish he had three more years of eligibility. But I disagree with your comparison to Matthews. You're right that he's definitely more of the focal point than Matthews was, much like Hayward last year. But Matthews was an excellent defender, hard to say Jimmy is better. Jimmy's definitely the better rebounder, I agree. I'd have to say he's more athletic/springy than Matthews, and as a ball-handler/passer I'd never say Jimmy's better. At best it's even between the two and that might be a stretch. And Hayward's strength, wingspan, rebounding, and defense translate to the NBA better. That said, I think Jimmy finds his way onto a roster, and I'll think he'll have a better career than another Hayward with comparable height/weight that went in the lottery last year - Gordon from Butler.
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I don't see him as near the player Wesley Matthews was, and Matthews didn't get drafted. Matthews was able to make it on a roster but that is rare. I'd be surprised if JFB makes it on a NBA roster this upcoming season, but I sure as hell hope he does.
Wow Chicos, willing to take the bet, but sure as hell you hope you lose. I admire that!
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I think he's very close to the player Matthews was. For one thing, he's much more of a focal point on this team than Wesley ever was. He's also a better defender (in college) and a better rebounder. For all the talk about his shooting, he seems to have a very nice mid-range game and, if memory serves, hit some very clutch threes vs. Syracuse. I'm not saying he's going to get drafted, but he is very definitely comparable to Matthews. He's probably not quite as athletic, but he's a better ball handler and passer. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him drafted. If we were to put together a highlight reel of Marquette players over the past 10 years, there is only one guy with a more impressive set of clips and he's an NBA all star.
I'll go you one further, if I had a choice between drafting 2010 Lazar and 2011 Butler i would take Butler every day. I was thrilled to see Hayward drafted but he's at his ceiling and he's never going to be a dynamc open court player. Butler can be.
The one and only reason Wesley is in the NBA right now is that Sloan was watching him play in summer league, and he was the only guy stepping in to take charges while everyone else was trying to score points to get noticed. Had Sloan not seen that, Wesley would not be the $37million man.
Not saying that he couldn't have moved up from the d-league, or that he hasn't made the absolute most of his opportunity, but it would have been much more difficult had henot impressed Sloan.
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I think for him a Big part will be if he gets invited to the Predraft Camp. I think his game is fundemtally sound so he might look just as good When he has better talent around him. He tends to pass up good shots and move the ball more than I would like, but that is what he is going to have to do to make the NBA. In the 2nd round I feel like they either look for Raw Talent they can develop or player's that they can plug in when they have injuries, that will not hurt them to bad. Butler falls in the 2nd category.
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... as a ball-handler/passer I'd never say Jimmy's better. At best it's even between the two and that might be a stretch.
Jimmy did a great job being the guy to bring the ball up against the press yesterday after Buycks and Crowder started turning it over a lot. Jimmy is an underrated passer. He doesn't force the ball and he's rarely out of control.
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The one and only reason Wesley is in the NBA right now is that Sloan was watching him play in summer league, and he was the only guy stepping in to take charges while everyone else was trying to score points to get noticed. Had Sloan not seen that, Wesley would not be the $37million man.
Not saying that he couldn't have moved up from the d-league, or that he hasn't made the absolute most of his opportunity, but it would have been much more difficult had henot impressed Sloan.
100 percent agree. He was in the right place at the right time and Sloan loved dirty work players...like his coaching successor Tyrone Corbin, who somehow survived 15+ years in the NBA.
Talking about Matthews like he was some great college player is nonsense. He was a good player, but he was clearly the third banana on a team that never won anything. He deserves what he's getting, but he's been very, very lucky.
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This wasn't talked about on the radio. Did anyone see why Buzz came out to the bench and sat by himself at the 7:00 minute before the game?
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The one and only reason Wesley is in the NBA right now is that Sloan was watching him play in summer league, and he was the only guy stepping in to take charges while everyone else was trying to score points to get noticed. Had Sloan not seen that, Wesley would not be the $37million man.
Not saying that he couldn't have moved up from the d-league, or that he hasn't made the absolute most of his opportunity, but it would have been much more difficult had he not impressed Sloan.
This is false. Wesley owes it all to being unleashed by Buzz's magic coaching powers. It has nothing to do with luck, hard work, natural ability, or any former coaching instruction.
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Not only do I think Jimmy will get drafted, but I think he has a solid chance of sneaking into the first. He is the classic under the radar guy that becomes a fast riser during the draft process for several reasons.
#1 Big time length for a guy that can be a 2/3. Up until this season Jimmy was listed at 6'6". Homer measured him at closer to 6'8" in shoes. He becomes a lot more attractive to teams when they see he is a couple inches taller than what they originally thought.
#2 Athletic testing. Historically upperclassmen have fared better than their younger counterparts here by virtue of being able to practice the drills more. MU players have also done much better than expectations. Lazar's stock skyrocketed when he tested as one of the best. Novak even put up middle of the pack numbers. Would Wesley have been drafted if he went to the combine???
#3 Workouts. I believe he will excel in this environment as he is a better player than a lot of the younger "upside" guys, as well as the experienced veterans. I also believe that in shooting drills, scouts will wonder why he didn't take 4 threes a game like his peers.
#4 Upside with senior experience. The draft is notorious for favoring the upside of youth over experience. Jimmy has both, as he turned 21 in September and should be in the Junior class.
#5 Interviews. Not a big boost here, but every team wants guys like Jimmy on their team. Some guys drop far with bad interviews.
#6 Wesley Matthews. He certainly helped Lazar out. Another year removed and the impact is significantly lessened, but coming from the same system still factors. With the fact that Jimmy often guards the other team's best player, he becomes a much more legit comparison to Matthews than Lazar had.
Hopefully, MU can make a little bit of a post season run to get Jimmy a little more prominence. Either way, he's going to look legit once the workouts start!
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I'd add REP to that.
He's leads by example, takes direction, not afraid to get into a teammate's face, plays beyond capacity regularly, does the dirty work, doesn't complain, keeps his nose clean...
The ONLY fault I think Jimmy has is this (1:00 mark): ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRkvPIwFTbA
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The one and only reason Wesley is in the NBA right now is that Sloan was watching him play in summer league, and he was the only guy stepping in to take charges while everyone else was trying to score points to get noticed. Had Sloan not seen that, Wesley would not be the $37million man.
Not saying that he couldn't have moved up from the d-league, or that he hasn't made the absolute most of his opportunity, but it would have been much more difficult had henot impressed Sloan.
That's odd. I thought Crean's connections got him into the Association.
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That's odd. I thought Crean's connections got him into the Association.
well, that too.