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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: wadesworld on June 30, 2021, 12:29:45 PM
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Don’t cross up big tough guy Keefe or he might pull a move only real men pull. He might go to the HR department…of a company he does not work at…to report the “inappropriate behavior” of spending time on websites that are not work related.
Problem for him is that the HR department might laugh it off and send you an email letting you know in case you wanted to look into who “John Mazos” is. The issue for him is he apparently forgot he had used that same email address to register a second MUScoop account. Google is a powerful tool. Oops.
Thanks for the laugh Keefer. Super tough guy of you. Internet stalking someone and then trying to doxx them, while doing exactly what you say is “inappropriate behavior” yourself.
Douche.
edit: removed email address. re-doxxing isn't cool.
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Peak snowflake.
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Don’t cross up big tough guy Keefe or he might pul a move only real men pull. He might go to the HR department…of a company he does not work at…to report the “inappropriate behavior” of spending time on websites that are not work related.
Problem for him is that the HR department might laugh it off and send you an email letting you know in case you wanted to look into who “John Mazos” is. The issue for him is he apparently forgot he had used that same email address to register a second MUScoop account. Google is a powerful tool. Oops.
Thanks for the laugh Keefer. Super tough guy of you. Internet stalking someone and then trying to doxx them, while doing exactly what you say is “inappropriate behavior” yourself.
Douche.
Chicos allegedly did something similar awhile back.
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Wait ... are you saying keefe complained about your Scoop activities to your HR department?
What the actual f---?
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Great. You’ve outed him so Now we are going to have to listen to more of his infantile bragging to prove to Scoopers what a man he is.
Hopefully, using Scoop to try to get someone fired will finally result in his permanent suspension.
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😂😂😂😂
Glad your job took it well. What a genuinely dislikable move that is.
Idk why none of his friends on here ever call him out. If the handful of people I know on here were to pull that I'd be first in line saying "seriously? Get your crap together"
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wat?
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The first rule about MUScoop is do not talk about MUScoop. 2nd rule, same.
I guess we need a third rule: Do not turn your Scoop brothers in to HR.
Kinda thought that would go without saying, ffs.
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LOL
He tried to call the thunder down on you, but didn't have a warthog.
So this is now his (and a few of his peers MO). Dox and tell the 'teacher'... what's next? Swatting?
What an absolute loser.
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And to clarify, there's a very good chance scoop user mazos and keefe are the same person, but I don't think they are "John Mazos". In fact I know "they" are not.
And BLM, sorry to hear a scooper did this. Be better people.
Please don't hate on the Mazos Burger people, this isn't them.
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"When people show you who they are, believe them" - M. Angelou
The plagiarizer of holocaust-denying websites, jealous ranter about 1st responders, running-to-cry-to-HR guy has been showing Scoop who he is forever.
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How did you piss him off that much?
Did he plagiarize his complaint from elsewhere too?
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Don’t cross up big tough guy Keefe or he might pul a move only real men pull. He might go to the HR department…of a company he does not work at…to report the “inappropriate behavior” of spending time on websites that are not work related.
Problem for him is that the HR department might laugh it off and send you an email letting you know in case you wanted to look into who “John Mazos” is. The issue for him is he apparently forgot he had used that same email address to register a second MUScoop account. Google is a powerful tool. Oops.
Thanks for the laugh Keefer. Super tough guy of you. Internet stalking someone and then trying to doxx them, while doing exactly what you say is “inappropriate behavior” yourself.
Douche.
edit: removed email address. re-doxxing isn't cool.
Holy cow
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Sorry. I actually really wasn't even thinking when I posted the email address.
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In your defense, the email address is very likely bogus, only used for Scoop and sending an email to your HR department.
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In your defense, the email address is very likely bogus, only used for Scoop and sending an email to your HR department.
And Twitter and Instagram accounts. Oddly enough, the "check ins" for the Twitter account it's under were all made in the Seattle area. Weird.
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Holy cow.
I haven't seen him posting in a while. Did I miss a thread? Or did this happen on another website?
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So many questions...
1) how did he know where you worked at.
2) what did you do to piss off this man.
3) why isn't he banned
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To answer the questions, I've poked fun at Keefe pretty dang consistently about his "I am all that is man, I make Theo look like a twig, unless you've climbed Kilamenjaro with a 150 lb backpack on in under 2 hours you cannot talk to me" schtick constantly over a number of years. As has been said, he hadn't been posting in a while, so I hadn't done this in a while. It seems to have been fairly out of nowhere. And it appears I was not the only one.
As far as how he knows where I work, some Meat Eaters seem to have figured out who I am (and I don't really care...although I guess I should've), so I'm sure he found out my name and then did some internet stalking.
Pretty weird.
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I can confirm that BLM is not the only poster whose boss was "contacted" in this manner.
It galactically sickens me that someone is trying to get any Scoop poster fired, which is the fire they are playing with.
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I can confirm that BLM is not the only poster whose boss was "contacted" in this manner.
It galactically sickens me that someone is trying to get any Scoop poster fired, which is the fire they are playing with.
It seems unfathomable to me someone would take the time to do this.
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I can confirm that BLM is not the only poster whose boss was "contacted" in this manner.
It galactically sickens me that someone is trying to get any Scoop poster fired, which is the fire they are playing with.
keefe: I'm the manliest man who ever manned.
Also keefe: Dear Sir or Madam, I would like to bring to your attention that someone in your employ said something on the internet that hurt my feels.
This is the craziest Scoop drama since someone audited three years of Chico's posts to try to prove some point or another. Maybe this is crazier.
I legitimately feel bad for anyone whose workplace was contacted.
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I can confirm that BLM is not the only poster whose boss was "contacted" in this manner.
It galactically sickens me that someone is trying to get any Scoop poster fired, which is the fire they are playing with.
Jfc.
There are Marquette alum/scoopers out there trying to cancel people? I mean, really, actually trying to get them fired from their jobs?
That's incredibly f*cked up.
Mods - how does this behavior not result in a lifetime ban?
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I can confirm that BLM is not the only poster whose boss was "contacted" in this manner.
It galactically sickens me that someone is trying to get any Scoop poster fired, which is the fire they are playing with.
This is the mod's fault for not taking action on bad actors. I just can't decide if it's more Rocky's fault or Hilltopper's fault.
In order to right this wrong I would like to be made moderator. I can promise you the following:
1. I will rule with an iron fist
2. I will contact EVERYONE's bosses, quarterly, with a rundown of their MUScoop habits. If you're a sole proprietor, I'll contact your licensing board. If no licensing board, I will contact your mother/wife.
3. Everyone will receive a birthday present annually, paid for by MUScoop's ample treasury
4. The COVID board will be renamed the Perpetual Pandemic board because we all know that's where we're headed
5. No basketball discussion until November. If you're seen worshiping a student-athlete you will be permabanned
6. The board will be put into read-only mode for 12 hours after every loss
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Is anyone here really surprised by this?
I know, personally, that not being part of the meat gnawers made me question my manhood.
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This is the mod's fault for not taking action on bad actors. I just can't decide if it's more Rocky's fault or Hilltopper's fault.
In order to right this wrong I would like to be made moderator. I can promise you the following:
1. I will rule with an iron fist
2. I will contact EVERYONE's bosses, quarterly, with a rundown of their MUScoop habits. If you're a sole proprietor, I'll contact your licensing board. If no licensing board, I will contact your mother/wife.
3. Everyone will receive a birthday present annually, paid for by MUScoop's ample treasury
4. The COVID board will be renamed the Perpetual Pandemic board because we all know that's where we're headed
5. No basketball discussion until November. If you're seen worshiping a student-athlete you will be permabanned
6. The board will be put into read-only mode for 12 hours after every loss
Make Scoop Great AgainTM*
* Official merchandise available soon
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6. The board will be put into read-only mode for 12 hours after every loss
Sarcasm aside, that would make the board a better place.
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Mods - how does this behavior not result in a lifetime ban?
Listen, we're working on how to handle this. Bans may happen, but their worthless to prevent this from happening again. A new email and a VPN and you can get back up & running again. Keefe knows all about this, he's created at least 20 IDs on the site, maybe more. All because we banned him a few times, he got angry and wanted to prove a point.
But even if we could ban someone "permanently", we can't stop them from being pretty boys on the internet completely.
You'll just have to trust we'll handle this to the best of our ability.
To those that know and like Keefe, please try to talk some sense into him.
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Listen, we're working on how to handle this. Bans may happen, but their worthless to prevent this from happening again. A new email and a VPN and you can get back up & running again. Keefe knows all about this, he's created at least 20 IDs on the site, maybe more. All because we banned him a few times, he got angry and wanted to prove a point.
But even if we could ban someone "permanently", we can't stop them from being pretty boys on the internet completely.
You'll just have to trust we'll handle this to the best of our ability.
To those that know and like Keefe, please try to talk some sense into him.
Thanks for the explanation. All I was asking for.
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Listen, we're working on how to handle this. Bans may happen, but their worthless to prevent this from happening again. A new email and a VPN and you can get back up & running again. Keefe knows all about this, he's created at least 20 IDs on the site, maybe more. All because we banned him a few times, he got angry and wanted to prove a point.
But even if we could ban someone "permanently", we can't stop them from being pretty boys on the internet completely.
You'll just have to trust we'll handle this to the best of our ability.
To those that know and like Keefe, please try to talk some sense into him.
You guys do a great job. It isn’t easy
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To those that know and like Keefe, please try to talk some sense into him.
I want to stress this. If anyone out there has his number, give him a call and ask him to explain himself and to knock it the hell off.
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I can confirm that BLM is not the only poster whose boss was "contacted" in this manner.
Seriously? Are you able to disclose how many people this guy contacted?
Lenny, Goose? Seriously you two have seemed like rational people please tell me you can shed some light on this
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This....is....messed up.
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You guys do a great job. It isn’t easy
+1,000,000
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I want to stress this. If anyone out there has his number, give him a call and ask him to explain himself and to knock it the hell off.
I’m not a Meat EaterTM but I’ve been friendly with Crash for a number of years. And despite all the bluster and silly board feuds, my interactions with him offline have beeen wonderful and he’s been exceedingly generous and helpful various times over the years. I very nearly transitioned to a fantastic new job resulting in a life changing cross country move that I would never even had been in position for without contacts and resources he thoughtfully provided me with, without having ever met in person at that time.
That being said, this is a terrible look and pretty out of character, so I’ll reach out, cause damn
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Myself, and several others, text with Keefe every day and I have zero idea if he sent the email or not. IMO, he is a grown man and does not need intervention from me any more than the fxxk heads that get threads locked down threads on regular basis.
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Myself, and several others, text with Keefe every day and I have zero idea if he sent the email or not. IMO, he is a grown man and does not need intervention from me any more than the fxxk heads that get threads locked down threads on regular basis.
Because posting something that gets a thread locked is equivalent to a malicious attempt to get someone fired.
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TSmith
Hopefully we are all grown adults and can make decisions for ourselves. Keefe has been a very good friend to me over the years and I appreciate that. If he sent the email, then scoop can make the call. Again, I have no idea if he sent email or not and not my job to play detective.
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Myself, and several others, text with Keefe every day and I have zero idea if he sent the email or not. IMO, he is a grown man and does not need intervention from me any more than the fxxk heads that get threads locked down threads on regular basis.
Vouch for that goose. I’ve spoken to him many times and I honestly have no idea if he did what he is reportedly to have done wags is right on with the true character of the man
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Myself, and several others, text with Keefe every day and I have zero idea if he sent the email or not. IMO, he is a grown man and does not need intervention from me any more than the fxxk heads that get threads locked down threads on regular basis.
To each their own but when I'm an a$$ I usually count on my friends to call me an a$$ so that I can realize I'm being as such.
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To each their own but when I'm an a$$ I usually count on my friends to call me an a$$ so that I can realize I'm being as such.
Exactly. That is why I commend Wags for his reply.
BTW, I usually don’t need to wait for my friends to do this. My wife will let me know when I am being a fool, for which I am thankful. It has saved me from further conflict numerous times.
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the true character of the man
But what is that?
Listen, I know some here think I'm just a clown, but here's what I can say with certainty in this case:
1) The email address used to send info to employers is registered to the "Mazos" user
2) Mazos posted once January 27, 2014
3) The IP address from that post is registered to comcast in WA
4) Keefe posted multiple times from that IP address in 2014 (about 800 times), but also specifically 2 days before (Jan 25) and 17 days after (Feb 13). Keefe didn't post at all between those dates.
5) Keefe is the only user other than Mazos to use that IP Address.
So fact is, as the internet works, Keefe, or someone living in his home owns the Mazos account. Unless this is another "he stopped over for a beer and asked to use the internet", but that's unlikely.
So, what's the character of someone that sends these emails to other scoopers employers?
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But what is that?
Listen, I know some here think I'm just a clown, but here's what I can say with certainty in this case:
1) The email address used to send info to employers is registered to the "Mazos" user
2) Mazos posted once January 27, 2014
3) The IP address from that post is registered to comcast in WA
4) Keefe posted multiple times from that IP address in 2014 (about 800 times), but also specifically 2 days before (Jan 25) and 17 days after (Feb 13). Keefe didn't post at all between those dates.
5) Keefe is the only user other than Mazos to use that IP Address.
So fact is, as the internet works, Keefe, or someone living in his home owns the Mazos account. Unless this is another "he stopped over for a beer and asked to use the internet", but that's unlikely.
So, what's the character of someone that sends these emails to other scoopers employers?
Character Revealed™
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Bagpiper
As I stated, I have zero idea if he was the perp in this case. If he did it, then the mods could/should ban him.
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The wagons are circling.
Perhaps a summit is in order.
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Unless this is another "he stopped over for a beer and asked to use the internet", but that's unlikely.
HOOPALOOP STRIKES AGAIN
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I’ve actually never met Crash (that hopefully changes in August) but I am an unabashed and unapologetic fan. He’s smart, funny and has a personal history of accomplishment and service for others that I admire greatly.
I have no idea what did or didn’t happen here. I know that disagreements often get heated and personal on Scoop. That’s unfortunate, but IMO they never should go beyond Scoop’s borders.
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Lenny
Perfectly stated. You are the reasonable one.
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I’ve actually never met Crash (that hopefully changes in August) but I am an unabashed and unapologetic fan. He’s smart, funny and has a personal history of accomplishment and service for others that I admire greatly.
I have no idea what did or didn’t happen here. I know that disagreements often get heated and personal on Scoop. That’s unfortunate, but IMO they never should go beyond Scoop’s borders.
Lenny
Perfectly stated. You are the reasonable one.
Okay guys, it's either one or the other:
1. You'll support Keefe doxxing someone on the forums, calling up that person's HR department and trying to get them fired all because Keefe got his feelings hurt over something silly.
Or,
2. You don't understand how the internet works and you'd like someone to explain how IP addresses work, and that's why it's not obvious to you that Keefe definitely did this.
I'm happy to help out with #2. If it's #1 then I'm disappointed.
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I’ve actually never met Crash (that hopefully changes in August) but I am an unabashed and unapologetic fan. He’s smart, funny and has a personal history of accomplishment and service for others that I admire greatly.
I have no idea what did or didn’t happen here. I know that disagreements often get heated and personal on Scoop. That’s unfortunate, but IMO they never should go beyond Scoop’s borders.
This is high high comedy. “Im an unabashed and unapologetic fan, of mystery man Keefe who’s funny, smart, so accomplished…who im so excited to meet in August”
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But what is that?
Listen, I know some here think I'm just a clown, but here's what I can say with certainty in this case:
1) The email address used to send info to employers is registered to the "Mazos" user
2) Mazos posted once January 27, 2014
3) The IP address from that post is registered to comcast in WA
4) Keefe posted multiple times from that IP address in 2014 (about 800 times), but also specifically 2 days before (Jan 25) and 17 days after (Feb 13). Keefe didn't post at all between those dates.
5) Keefe is the only user other than Mazos to use that IP Address.
So fact is, as the internet works, Keefe, or someone living in his home owns the Mazos account. Unless this is another "he stopped over for a beer and asked to use the internet", but that's unlikely.
So, what's the character of someone that sends these emails to other scoopers employers?
listen rocky-you may know all of that, but i was just speaking from my own experiences, if that's ok. what you and blM are alleging is all news to me and i was just saying, it's not the keefe i know.
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listen rocky-you may know all of that, but i was just speaking from my own experiences, if that's ok. what you and blM are alleging is all news to me and i was just saying, it's not the keefe i know.
Then just text him and ask him if he did it. Either the deep Scoop state is conspiring against him, or he did it.
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I could give a sh1t less about Keefe’s alleged accomplishments. He’s proven to be a complete and utter clown, and if this is real it’s well beyond what any of us even imagined. And that’s what really matters. Defending this is hysterical.
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Then just text him and ask him if he did it. Either the deep Scoop state is conspiring against him, or he did it.
if google is "your friend", google his phone number and text him yourself. you miss the email bl M doxxed out to the whole scoop nation before rocky edited it out? call your buddy bl M and ask him for it.
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if google is "your friend", google his phone number and text him yourself. you miss the email bl M doxxed out to the whole scoop nation before rocky edited it out? call your buddy bl M and ask him for it.
Lol
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if google is "your friend", google his phone number and text him yourself. you miss the email bl M doxxed out to the whole scoop nation before rocky edited it out? call your buddy bl M and ask him for it.
Ahh yes. Poor Keefe. The real victim here. How will he ever get over having his burner email account get out on MUScoop?
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if google is "your friend", google his phone number and text him yourself. you miss the email bl M doxxed out to the whole scoop nation before rocky edited it out? call your buddy bl M and ask him for it.
Ok. This is revealing. You stated multiple times that you don’t know if Keefe/Crash did this, or this isn’t the person you know. But it’s incumbent ON ME, someone who doesn’t know said Keefe/Crash to “find out” the answer. All the while you, Lenny, Goose could actually just ask…but y’all won’t.
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Ok. This is revealing. You stated multiple times that you don’t know if Keefe/Crash did this, or this isn’t the person you know. But it’s incumbent ON ME, someone who doesn’t know said Keefe/Crash to “find out” the answer. All the while you, Lenny, Goose could actually just ask…but y’all won’t.
The Cam Newton defense... plausible deniability
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It's the Thin Scoop Line.
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Every summer/off-season here, there’s always one thread that is the thread of the summer.
This is the wildest thing I’ve ever seen on here.
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It's the Thin Scoop Line.
I’m more partial to Deep Scoop, TSL certainly plays.
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Ok. This is revealing. You stated multiple times that you don’t know if Keefe/Crash did this, or this isn’t the person you know. But it’s incumbent ON ME, someone who doesn’t know said Keefe/Crash to “find out” the answer. All the while you, Lenny, Goose could actually just ask…but y’all won’t.
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This is high high comedy. “Im an unabashed and unapologetic fan, of mystery man Keefe who’s funny, smart, so accomplished…who im so excited to meet in August”
Glad I gave you a laugh.
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I could give a sh1t less about Keefe’s alleged accomplishments. He’s proven to be a complete and utter clown, and if this is real it’s well beyond what any of us even imagined. And that’s what really matters. Defending this is hysterical.
Nobody has defended the actions themselves. Multiple people that know him beyond a screen name and banter in posts have said it seems surprising, but nobody has been like “nah it’s not that bad”. Multiple people, including myself and Goose, who do know him beyond a messageboard character, have deemed it disappointing and discipline worthy.
People here openly and willingly troll and find humor in it, and likely aren’t antagonist s***stirrers in their personal life. But yet they find it shocking that anyone finds redeeming qualities (this scenario aside) in a poster they dislike but don’t know beyond Scoop posts
One of first good friends in college, who was on scholarship and super involved in non profit work, was busted stealing a dorm mates’s CC and racking up purchases. There was an internal (beyond local police) investigation in which I and others were interviewed. We all expressed surprise and that it was out of character, thought it may have been a mistake. But when we found out it to be true, none of us were like “oh give her a break” and had no issue with her expulsion. Don’t see sentiment too differently here from those who don’t ardently dislike Keefe the poster
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Okay guys, it's either one or the other:
1. You'll support Keefe doxxing someone on the forums, calling up that person's HR department and trying to get them fired all because Keefe got his feelings hurt over something silly.
I don’t support Keefe (or anyone) going after fellow Scoopers outside of this forum. I said as much in my original post.
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The funniest part in all of this is it was definitely NOT just Goose who was backing up Keefe’s claim that Keefe himself “makes Theo John look like a twig.” Now suddenly all Keefe’s Scoop friends are claiming they’ve never actually met the guy. Are the meat eaters just online daters that share pictures with one another?
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I met Crash a few years ago when he joined me and my family for a few beers on one of my visits to Seattle. Otherwise, I don’t know him well; although we’ve been friendly in a few PMs, we’re really neither friends nor adversaries.
But this is beyond the pale, and I hope that none of our fellow Scoopers suffered any damage from this.
I truly am sad that any Scooper or Marquette alum would stoop to this. And I actually worry about his mental state, something I don’t say lightly.
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Deleted my first comment cause it wasn’t worth it. But man that is lame someone would do that and truly hope it wasn’t Keefe or any other regular. What a douche move.
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Oh for heaven's sake.
Scoop is entertainment. Scoop is a chance to vent, honor, disrespect or kiss the ring of our beloved Marquette Warriors.
If someone is spending time doing anything other than arguing basketball or lifestyle things, they are goofy. I may not like your opinion -- in fact I'm enough of a "Get off my lawn guy" that I probably won't, but I'll fight for your right to say it as long as you don't intentionally and purposefully insult someone.
P.S. -- I doubt a lot of you like my opinions but I appreciate that you listen and even that you argue with me. And if you want to call my HR department, private message me and I'll tell you how -- NOT!!!!!!!
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The funniest part in all of this is it was definitely NOT just Goose who was backing up Keefe’s claim that Keefe himself “makes Theo John look like a twig.” Now suddenly all Keefe’s Scoop friends are claiming they’ve never actually met the guy. Are the meat eaters just online daters that share pictures with one another?
Only Lenny has said he never met him. Plenty of people have. But go off king
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Bias
I supported the theory that Keefe made Theo look like a twig? If I did, which I doubt, I would have had to been blitzed or looking to piss someone off.
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TSmith
Hopefully we are all grown adults and can make decisions for ourselves. Keefe has been a very good friend to me over the years and I appreciate that. If he sent the email, then scoop can make the call. Again, I have no idea if he sent email or not and not my job to play detective.
You're a coward.
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Catching up on this thread and…holy effing cow! Keefe’s kind of a douche but this suggests there might be something genuinely wrong with him. Creepy stuff. I hope he gets help.
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To answer the questions, I've poked fun at Keefe pretty dang consistently about his "I am all that is man, I make Theo look like a twig, unless you've climbed Kilamenjaro with a 150 lb backpack on in under 2 hours you cannot talk to me" schtick constantly over a number of years. As has been said, he hadn't been posting in a while, so I hadn't done this in a while. It seems to have been fairly out of nowhere. And it appears I was not the only one.
As far as how he knows where I work, some Meat Eaters seem to have figured out who I am (and I don't really care...although I guess I should've), so I'm sure he found out my name and then did some internet stalking.
Pretty weird.
Watch out for people who are always bragging about who they are. A lion will never have to tell you it's a lion.
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You're a coward.
I wont make excuses for what BLM claims happened to him.
However, before some of you start throwing stones, examine your own behavior. There are a number of people on this board that wont hesitate to resort to some very ugly name calling towards people that simply have a different opinion. BLM clearly falls in that camp. Also, see above. It's incredibly ironic that the "woke crowd" are the absolute worst offenders on this board.
I too have done my share of antagonizing, having fun baiting the easily triggered woke posse. Probably not my best look, but what the hell.
I'm going to amble on now, before Sultan comes on to remind me that I am free to pick up my ball and go home.
Hope everyone has a great 4th!
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I wont make excuses for what BLM claims happened to him.
However, before some of you start throwing stones, examine your own behavior. There are a number of people on this board that wont hesitate to resort to some very ugly name calling towards people that simply have a different opinion. BLM clearly falls in that camp. Also, see above. It's incredibly ironic that the "woke crowd" are the absolute worst offenders on this board.
I too have done my share of antagonizing, having fun baiting the easily triggered woke posse. Probably not my best look, but what the hell.
I'm going to amble on now, before Sultan comes on to remind me that I am free to pick up my ball and go home.
Hope everyone has a great 4th!
Like I have said, I mocked Keefer for his "I am all that is man!" schtick. I guess I didn't expect it to turn into Mr. All That is Man online stalking me and emailing the HR department of where I work about it. Figured someone so manly would handle it in a different way. Maybe perfectly fly one of the fighter jets he built by hand out here and send the message to me face to face.
But hey. I guess he's a "run to HR" guy. Who knew?
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I wont make excuses for what BLM claims happened to him.
However, before some of you start throwing stones, examine your own behavior. There are a number of people on this board that wont hesitate to resort to some very ugly name calling towards people that simply have a different opinion. BLM clearly falls in that camp. Also, see above. It's incredibly ironic that the "woke crowd" are the absolute worst offenders on this board.
I too have done my share of antagonizing, having fun baiting the easily triggered woke posse. Probably not my best look, but what the hell.
I'm going to amble on now, before Sultan comes on to remind me that I am free to pick up my ball and go home.
Hope everyone has a great 4th!
You should read about the tolerance paradox.
Though what you're saying is off topic, it seems like an important read for the broader message you're trying to insinuate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
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I wont make excuses for what BLM claims happened to him.
However, before some of you start throwing stones, examine your own behavior. There are a number of people on this board that wont hesitate to resort to some very ugly name calling towards people that simply have a different opinion. BLM clearly falls in that camp. Also, see above. It's incredibly ironic that the "woke crowd" are the absolute worst offenders on this board.
I too have done my share of antagonizing, having fun baiting the easily triggered woke posse. Probably not my best look, but what the hell.
I'm going to amble on now, before Sultan comes on to remind me that I am free to pick up my ball and go home.
Hope everyone has a great 4th!
Equating internet trolling to attempts at getting someone fired in real life is a bad take.
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That's your take, and your spin, not my intent.
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I wont make excuses for what BLM claims happened to him.
However, before some of you start throwing stones, examine your own behavior. There are a number of people on this board that wont hesitate to resort to some very ugly name calling towards people that simply have a different opinion. BLM clearly falls in that camp. Also, see above. It's incredibly ironic that the "woke crowd" are the absolute worst offenders on this board.
I too have done my share of antagonizing, having fun baiting the easily triggered woke posse. Probably not my best look, but what the hell.
I'm going to amble on now, before Sultan comes on to remind me that I am free to pick up my ball and go home.
Hope everyone has a great 4th!
BLM was drunk and dressed slutty.
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I wont make excuses for what BLM claims happened to him.
However, before some of you start throwing stones, examine your own behavior. There are a number of people on this board that wont hesitate to resort to some very ugly name calling towards people that simply have a different opinion. BLM clearly falls in that camp. Also, see above. It's incredibly ironic that the "woke crowd" are the absolute worst offenders on this board.
I too have done my share of antagonizing, having fun baiting the easily triggered woke posse. Probably not my best look, but what the hell.
I'm going to amble on now, before Sultan comes on to remind me that I am free to pick up my ball and go home.
Hope everyone has a great 4th!
Goose already tried the false equivalence argument of equating posts on a message board to maliciously trying to get someone fired. Your attempt is just as weak as his was.
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TSmith
Everyone on here is extremely literal. By no stretch do I believe being a dickhead on here is on par with sending an email to employer. My point was simply that it is not my place to police the board and firmly believe that.
I would believe that Keefe has read this thread and it his responsibility to confirm or deny the allegations. We are all grown adults on this site and hopefully we all know right from wrong. If Keefe sent the email I think he owes BLM an apology. If he did not send the email he should state that on here.
FYI---I am a very loyal person and try my best to give people the benefit of the doubt, until proven otherwise. If Keefe sent the email he will still be my friend and I would tell him that was not a smart thing to do. Until I know, I am not going to be judge and jury.
Bottom line, there appears to be a line that was crossed and that line should not have been crossed. Only a fxxking idiot would argue that point. While I am not a fan of BLM, I do think the email sent to his employer is 100% wrong.
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Goose already tried the false equivalence argument of equating posts on a message board to maliciously trying to get someone fired. Your attempt is just as weak as his was.
Thanks for making my point.
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Thanks for making my point.
That you are a hypocritical ass? You're welcome.
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TSmith
Everyone on here is extremely literal. By no stretch do I believe being a dickhead on here is on par with sending an email to employer. My point was simply that it is not my place to police the board and firmly believe that.
Goose,
Your original post did in fact conflate the two actions.
However, I respect your take throughout the rest of your post. Peace.
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Calling it "100% wrong" is a galactic understatement.
It's an absolutely despicable act. Done (at least) twice.
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That you are a hypocritical ass? You're welcome.
Figured this would end in name calling. Soooo predictable.
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Figured this would end in name calling. Soooo predictable.
You realize you started the name calling, right? You radiate boomer energy
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I wont make excuses for what BLM claims happened to him.
However, before some of you start throwing stones, examine your own behavior. There are a number of people on this board that wont hesitate to resort to some very ugly name calling towards people that simply have a different opinion. BLM clearly falls in that camp. Also, see above. It's incredibly ironic that the "woke crowd" are the absolute worst offenders on this board.
I too have done my share of antagonizing, having fun baiting the easily triggered woke posse. Probably not my best look, but what the hell.
I'm going to amble on now, before Sultan comes on to remind me that I am free to pick up my ball and go home.
Hope everyone has a great 4th!
That's awful rich considering you guys were dropping veiled threats towards me a few months ago, and doxxing me.
Nice to see you defending keefe's behavior here, but not surprising.
Also, being 'woke' doesn't mean I can't use adjectives to describe people's behavior. Unless you consider cowards a protected/oppressed class?
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I don’t blame anyone for defending someone they consider a friend, even an internet friend as weird as that sounds. We’d all do it at first. I think it’s a natural defense mechanism because in some ways, it makes us look bad by being associated with said person. It usually takes some time to understand the bigger picture. It’s also easy to attack the person you perceive as an enemy even without all the facts in front of you since it validates your feelings about someone.
The mods have the full information and they can share beyond what they have if they’d like but I don’t think it serves a purpose. It seems pretty straightforward to me having a good idea how our information gets processed on the ol’ intrawebs.
Doxxing folks over their Scoop posts is just sad and pathetic. End of story. Pretty obvious there are those I vehemently disagree with on scoop but they haven’t changed how I live my life in any way because it’s a freaking messag board. I pity the person who did this and pity those that think there’s some defense for it.
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That's awful rich considering you guys were dropping veiled threats towards me a few months ago, and doxxing me.
Nice to see you defending keefe's behavior here, but not surprising.
Also, being 'woke' doesn't mean I can't use adjectives to describe people's behavior. Unless you consider cowards a protected/oppressed class?
How is this a defense of Keefe?
SMH ::)
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How is this a defense of Keefe?
SMH ::)
I think that when you said 'before you all start throwing stones...' it implies there's an equivalency between heated arguments on here and the genuinely trying to screw up a persons life that keefe did. It then implies that because BLM was antagonistic on here he built up a 'glass house' that he himself, nor the others showing empathy, are allowed to be upset at Keefe or those sticking their heads in the ground about him.
Just my take on why people jumped down your throat, and I hope you have a happy 4th as well.
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TSmith
Everyone on here is extremely literal. By no stretch do I believe being a dickhead on here is on par with sending an email to employer. My point was simply that it is not my place to police the board and firmly believe that.
I would believe that Keefe has read this thread and it his responsibility to confirm or deny the allegations. We are all grown adults on this site and hopefully we all know right from wrong. If Keefe sent the email I think he owes BLM an apology. If he did not send the email he should state that on here.
FYI---I am a very loyal person and try my best to give people the benefit of the doubt, until proven otherwise. If Keefe sent the email he will still be my friend and I would tell him that was not a smart thing to do. Until I know, I am not going to be judge and jury.
Bottom line, there appears to be a line that was crossed and that line should not have been crossed. Only a fxxking idiot would argue that point. While I am not a fan of BLM, I do think the email sent to his employer is 100% wrong.
If it were my friend doing this I would certainly ask them if it happened and let them know my feelings on the subject. I don't expect you to police what your friends do or do not do, but I would hope you would at least have a private conversation with them. Coming here to defend the guy without even asking if he did what has been alleged is strange behavior. No one cares if you think he is generally a good guy if this is something he has done. You sound like the parent who says, "My son would never do that!" after he's been arrested for robbing a convenience store.
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How is this a defense of Keefe?
SMH ::)
Simple. You're trying to equate name calling or disagreements on a basketball forum with trying to get people fired from their job.
They're not equal, and you're minimizing the behavior when you do this.
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Um, no.
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I think that when you said 'before you all start throwing stones...' it implies there's an equivalency between heated arguments on here and the genuinely trying to screw up a persons life that keefe did. It then implies that because BLM was antagonistic on here he built up a 'glass house' that he himself, nor the others showing empathy, are allowed to be upset at Keefe or those sticking their heads in the ground about him.
Just my take on why people jumped down your throat, and I hope you have a happy 4th as well.
They are not equivalent.
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Hards
#1 I have no idea if he sent the email or not.
#2 Not defending him, simply saying I am not going to convict him because BLM and topper said he is quilty.
#3 If he sent the email, and wants to confirm that, he owes BLM an apology and any ban the mods give him.
#4 Keefe has seen everyone's post (he posted on scoop today) and there is zero need for a private conversation.
#5 My feelings are well documented in this thread...no one should cross certain line and the email did that. Enough said. Keefe does not need a lecture from anyone on here...he is a big boy.
#6 You and your friends on here have said some horrible things on scoop, has anyone of ever called each other to say "that was over the top?"
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Um, no.
If you're not trying to equate the two, you're doing a poor job. Two people felt like you were.
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Eye blame Crean, hey?
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Hards
#1 I have no idea if he sent the email or not. Mods have basically outlined that he did.
#2 Not defending him, simply saying I am not going to convict him because BLM and topper said he is quilty. What is the bar then? Him admitting?
#3 If he sent the email, and wants to confirm that, he owes BLM an apology and any ban the mods give him. apology yes, and IMO no one here needs to verify that he apologized. Mods have said that he can and has evaded bans before... so what's the point.
#4 Keefe has seen everyone's post (he posted on scoop today) and there is zero need for a private conversation. I guess we communicate and hold our friends accountable differently
#5 My feelings are well documented in this thread...no one should cross certain line and the email did that. Enough said. Keefe does not need a lecture from anyone on here...he is a big boy. Seeing as he is a 'big boy' and does stuff like this, maybe he does need a lecture, or at least some comms from his boys that this is a step too far.
#6 You are your friends on here have said some horrible things on scoop, has anyone of ever called each other to say "that was over the top?"
My friends? Who? I only know people who post on here by their screen names, and I've never met anyone here in person (that I'm aware of). I've sent and received very few private messages. My MU friends are not active here, and I certainly haven't gone as far as to create a crew, like you fellas have. Also you're going down the rabbit hole that rc83 has. Attempting to equate name calling/disagreements with trying to get someone fired, etc. I understand the need to present some defense or whatever makes you and your 'boys' feel better, but in an attempt to do this, you're just showing your true colors.
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Kinda weird he hasn't replied to this thread yet, hey?
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BLM was drunk and dressed slutty.
The victim shaming angle from the usual suspects jumped out to me as well.
Thoroughly shocking and disgraceful example of inhumanity from the person involved but zero shock at who the person is that behaved in this egregious manner.
He's been plenty unhinged in this forum for close to a decade and in the year of our Lord 2021 you cannot blithely rely on a "but he's different in real life" defense of indefensible behavior.
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If you're not trying to equate the two, you're doing a poor job. Two people felt like you were.
That's simply a case of how some people choose to interpret, or spin things. Especially if they don't like the message.
We can all agree that trying to get someone fired for non work behavior is not right.
it's interesting though that people can be held accountable for what they say in social media when their employer deems it reflects poorly on the company. Now, please, don't read into that statement too much....
When Hards calls people horrible names, like coward, etc., he's doing it anonymously. That does not reflect on his employer, and should be a non issue.
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That's simply a case of how some people choose to interpret, or spin things. Especially if they don't like the message.
We can all agree that trying to get someone fired for non work behavior is not right.
it's interesting though that people can be held accountable for what they say in social media when their employer deems it reflects poorly on the company. Now, please, don't read into that statement too much....
When Hards calls people horrible names, like coward, etc., he's doing it anonymously. That does not reflect on his employer, and should be a non issue.
Coward is a horrible name? LMAO. Snowflakes gonna snowflake I guess. Furthermore, your 'crew' removed my relative anonymity last year.
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Hards
#1 I have no idea if he sent the email or not.
#2 Not defending him, simply saying I am not going to convict him because BLM and topper said he is quilty.
#3 If he sent the email, and wants to confirm that, he owes BLM an apology and any ban the mods give him.
#4 Keefe has seen everyone's post (he posted on scoop today) and there is zero need for a private conversation.
#5 My feelings are well documented in this thread...no one should cross certain line and the email did that. Enough said. Keefe does not need a lecture from anyone on here...he is a big boy.
#6 You and your friends on here have said some horrible things on scoop, has anyone of ever called each other to say "that was over the top?"
I know this wasn't addressed to me but regarding number 6 I've been called out by two of my friends in person or text, in those the rare moments I've gotten hot headed
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They are not equivalent.
Figured that's what you intended but every time I read it the equivalency seemed drawn. Perhaps it wasn't the greatest moment to use that glass houses metaphor.
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I think everyone needs to chill out. BLM has every right to be pissed because someone (keefe) trying to get him fired is inexcusable and down right wrong, but he seems to have found humor in it which I commend him for.
Everyone else is overreacting
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if google is "your friend", google his phone number and text him yourself. you miss the email bl M doxxed out to the whole scoop nation before rocky edited it out? call your buddy bl M and ask him for it.
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=keefe%27s+phone+number
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Maybe Marquette letter-writing campaigns are catching on?
The Hausers wrote to Wojo about how sad they felt. Their desired outcome: Get Wojo, the guy responsible for changing the situation they're in, to see their point of view.
Keefe wrote to BLM's HR department because his feelings got hurt. His desired outcome: Financially injure a poster with no direct benefit to himself.
Same same, not same.
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Figured this would end in name calling. Soooo predictable.
Says "easily triggered woke posse" guy. Soooo hypocritical.
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They are not equivalent.
I don't think you're equating the two, but you're clearly insinuating that keefe's actions are a consequence of what BLM has written here. You may not agree that it's a justified consequence, but you're connecting the dots. Which is completely ridiculous.
It's the equivalent of saying "Nobody should be raped, but what do you expect when you pass out at a frat party dressed like that?" Only here it's, "Nobody should have their job threatened. but what do you expect when you write things on Scoop that keefe doesn't like?"
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Kinda weird he hasn't replied to this thread yet, hey?
The brazen it out and pretend it wasn't him strategy. Not surprising.
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Coward is a horrible name?
Yes
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I think everyone needs to chill out. BLM has every right to be pissed because someone (keefe) trying to get him fired is inexcusable and down right wrong, but he seems to have found humor in it which I commend him for.
Everyone else is overreacting
I don't know - I already tend to think that discretion is the better part of valor when it comes to posting here (not that I've always lived up to that). But knowing that folks are lurking on this board with a penchant for trying to uncover the IRL identities of posters and then cause negative real life consequences based on their posts pretty much nukes the upside of engaging on this forum for me.
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This thread is really something. Probably the most bizarre Scoop moment since Hoopaloop/Chicos were outed as one and the same.
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He's been plenty unhinged in this forum for close to a decade and in the year of our Lord 2021 you cannot blithely rely on a "but he's different in real life" defense of indefensible behavior.
We're still going on the "defending his behavior" angle? Have you read the damn thread? Your bias is showing strongly. Go back and read Uncle Rico's excellent summation a few pages back.
And any "different in real life" descriptions have largely been grounded in surprise at the turn of events, not saying its some witch hunt or justification of anything that happened. I had a good friend get banned on Twitter cause he took some arguments too far and made some general threats of violence. Dude has never been in actual fight in his life and let his online persona carry too far. Happens all the time. Was I surprised to hear it? Was it totally out of character to his IRL persona? Absolutely. Doesn't mean it was right or justified but its certainly not who I normally know him to be.
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I think everyone needs to chill out. BLM has every right to be pissed because someone (keefe) trying to get him fired is inexcusable and down right wrong, but he seems to have found humor in it which I commend him for.
Everyone else is overreacting
Well the mods confirmed at least one other poster's HR was contacted. So I think it's fair for anyone he doesn't eat meat with, to have general anxiety about this and express said anxiety.
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Yes
(https://media.tenor.com/images/277e7f0d4e14f2165973eb4cc5b7d70e/tenor.gif)
Cowardice is a behavior. Have the courage to stand up and say something is wrong no matter who does it, and say it with your chest.
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I feel very fortunate that I have no employer, as I am sure it was extra humiliating for him to be called out by a female. But then, maybe he thought that his misogynistic retorts were sufficient.
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Maybe Marquette letter-writing campaigns are catching on?
The Hausers wrote to Wojo about how sad they felt. Their desired outcome: Get Wojo, the guy responsible for changing the situation they're in, to see their point of view.
Keefe wrote to BLM's HR department because his feelings got hurt. His desired outcome: Financially injure a poster with no direct benefit to himself.
Same same, not same.
This is what makes the guy such a low-life scumball.
He WASN'T just trying to financially injure a poster. He was trying to injure a poster's wife and children, as well.
He has shown us over and over who he is. Can't we just accept it?
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It has been stated by many and I guess universally accepted here that Keefe’s motive was to “get BLM fired”. I confess to knowing next to nothing about HR departments - they didn’t exist when I actually worked for a corporation and for the last 45 years I’ve been self employed. But if I ran one and some guy out of the blue sent me an email telling me that one of my employees was spending a lot of time on his college basketball team’s message board I don’t think I’d take it all that seriously. A bad joke, yes. Mean spirited mischief meant to make BLM angry and uncomfortable? Yes. And the way I read BLM’s post, that’s exactly how his HR guy took it. Which begs the question:would a smart guy like Keefe really think that a note about an employee posting on a basketball website would result in the employee being fired? I don’t for a moment think so.
This doesn’t change my opinion that it never should have happened, that it was over the top. Insults and infighting on Scoop are one thing. Taking them beyond our borders is something all together different.
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I don't think you're equating the two, but you're clearly insinuating that keefe's actions are a consequence of what BLM has written here. You may not agree that it's a justified consequence, but you're connecting the dots. Which is completely ridiculous.
It's the equivalent of saying "Nobody should be raped, but what do you expect when you pass out at a frat party dressed like that?" Only here it's, "Nobody should have their job threatened. but what do you expect when you write things on Scoop that keefe doesn't like?"
Never said that.
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Dude...smdh.
You've already moved on to the "was it really all that bad?" rationalization. Terrible look.
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Lenny
If BLM has not been fired for BLM, an email to HR is not going to do him in.
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It has been stated by many and I guess universally accepted here that Keefe’s motive was to “get BLM fired”. I confess to knowing next to nothing about HR departments - they didn’t exist when I actually worked for a corporation and for the last 45 years I’ve been self employed. But if I ran one and some guy out of the blue sent me an email telling me that one of my employees was spending a lot of time on his college basketball team’s message board I don’t think I’d take it all that seriously. A bad joke, yes. Mean spirited mischief meant to make BLM angry and uncomfortable? Yes. And the way I read BLM’s post, that’s exactly how his HR guy took it. Which begs the question:would a smart guy like Keefe really think that a note about an employee posting on a basketball website would result in the employee being fired? I don’t for a moment think so.
This doesn’t change my opinion that it never should have happened, that it was over the top. Insults and infighting on Scoop are one thing. Taking them beyond our borders is something all together different.
This is a valid take. Not the one I believe is true, given his propensity to randomly insult people past a normal heated discussion (his attacks on the two firemen's profession for example) and generally how volatile his online persona has been. That being said you could very well be correct.
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Lenny
If BLM has not been fired for BLM, an email to HR is not going to do him in.
It sounds like you and Lenny are saying that if you try to shoot somebody, but happen to miss, then it is no big deal. No harm - no foul.
Yeah,... he attacked BLM and his family, but since his attempt failed, let's just forget about it. He's really a great guy.
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Dude...smdh.
You've already moved on to the "was it really all that bad?" rationalization. Terrible look.
When? You keep making stuff up.
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It sounds like you and Lenny are saying that if you try to shoot somebody, but happen to miss, then it is no big deal. No harm - no foul.
Yeah,... he attacked BLM and his family, but since his attempt failed, let's just forget about it. He's really a great guy.
Great guys don’t report people to an HR department because of what they say on scoop.
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Jockey,
I am saying that if BLM has not been fired for being BLM, he has no chance of being fired.
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Jockey,
I am saying that if BLM has not been fired for being BLM, he has no chance of being fired.
That’s besides the point
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Just getting caught up on all of this and it's fcking hilarious. What a loser. Can't believe any of you guys are trying to rationalize this as anything other than totally pathetic.
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It has been stated by many and I guess universally accepted here that Keefe’s motive was to “get BLM fired”. I confess to knowing next to nothing about HR departments - they didn’t exist when I actually worked for a corporation and for the last 45 years I’ve been self employed. But if I ran one and some guy out of the blue sent me an email telling me that one of my employees was spending a lot of time on his college basketball team’s message board I don’t think I’d take it all that seriously. A bad joke, yes. Mean spirited mischief meant to make BLM angry and uncomfortable? Yes. And the way I read BLM’s post, that’s exactly how his HR guy took it. Which begs the question:would a smart guy like Keefe really think that a note about an employee posting on a basketball website would result in the employee being fired? I don’t for a moment think so.
This doesn’t change my opinion that it never should have happened, that it was over the top. Insults and infighting on Scoop are one thing. Taking them beyond our borders is something all together different.
I understand your point but the possibility that he might have really caused some serious grief takes this completely out of "I was just messing with BLM" territory.
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When? You keep making stuff up.
That was to Lenny, your post ended up between our two.
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That’s besides the point
Thanks, Rico. That's exactly what I was saying.
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Just getting caught up on all of this and it's fcking hilarious. What a loser. Can't believe any of you guys are trying to rationalize this as anything other than totally pathetic.
+1000
It's very rare that every post in a thread is entertaining, but this comes pretty frickin' close.
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I understand your point but the possibility that he might have really caused some serious grief takes this completely out of "I was just messing with BLM" territory.
Exactly. The intent that some are looking for is totally irrelevant. To create an analogy. Keefe took aim, pulled the trigger, and luckily he hit BLM where he was wearing body armor.
Those proclaiming, "maybe it was just a prank bro" are just making excuses for their friend. Keefe likely did not know how the HR rep would have responded.
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It sounds like you and Lenny are saying that if you try to shoot somebody, but happen to miss, then it is no big deal. No harm - no foul.
Yeah,... he attacked BLM and his family, but since his attempt failed, let's just forget about it. He's really a great guy.
That’s not what I said at all, Jockey.
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the "shooting" analogy is pathetic, but considering the source...probably the best he can do and shouldn't be surprised
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I respect his/her privacy, and don’t blame them if they don’t want it out there, but I’m genuinely curious who the other person/people were from this board who’s HR department’s also got an email and what happened there after.
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I respect his/her privacy, and don’t blame them if they don’t want it out there, but I’m genuinely curious who the other person/people were from this board who’s HR department’s also got an email and what happened there after.
Same
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Just getting caught up on all of this and it's fcking hilarious. What a loser. Can't believe any of you guys are trying to rationalize this as anything other than totally pathetic.
+100. I’m not sure which is worse….Keefe’s actions or his buddies shouting from the mountain tops what a great guy he is!
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Just getting caught up on all of this and it's fcking hilarious. What a loser. Can't believe any of you guys are trying to rationalize this as anything other than totally pathetic.
+1,000,000
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What the actual f*ck. That should be a permaban from Scoop. Honestly, if I were the meat eaters/underboard/whatever they want to be called, I'd throw his ass out too for that sort of bullcrap behavior. If I was his employer and found out he did that, I'd probably can him for those actions.
Some "wannabe big tough guy on the internet" snowflake crap there. Be better.
An addendum:
The "he didn't know if it'd get them fired" argument is dumb. That's up there with the "I didn't know calling the cops on the teenage black kid hanging out on his lawn would get him shot" argument. He intended something or he wouldn't have sent the email. It was an intentional attempt to mess with someone's livelihood--over a dumb disagreement on an internet message board. Pretty f'ing low.
I am seriously disappointed in keefe for this. Always found his schtick amusing. But this...this is some "I'm a garbage person" type of true colors reveal.
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What the actual f*ck. That should be a permaban from Scoop. Honestly, if I were the meat eaters/underboard/whatever they want to be called, I'd throw his ass out too for that sort of bullcrap behavior. If I was his employer and found out he did that, I'd probably can him for those actions.
Some "wannabe big tough guy on the internet" snowflake crap there. Be better.
An addendum:
The "he didn't know if it'd get them fired" argument is dumb. That's up there with the "I didn't know calling the cops on the teenage black kid hanging out on his lawn would get him shot" argument. He intended something or he wouldn't have sent the email. It was an intentional attempt to mess with someone's livelihood--over a dumb disagreement on an internet message board. Pretty f'ing low.
I am seriously disappointed in keefe for this. Always found his schtick amusing. But this...this is some "I'm a garbage person" type of true colors reveal.
You had me and you lost me there Jake. I agree, and don't think anyone disputed that what Keefe did was horrendous and he deserves whatever ban the mods give him. But then you had to turn it into a political issue. Your point is made without your "addendum". Be better.
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You had me and you lost me there Jake. I agree, and don't think anyone disputed that what Keefe did was horrendous and he deserves whatever ban the mods give him. But then you had to turn it into a political issue. Your point is made without your "addendum". Be better.
"Whatever hurts my feelings I will deem political so that I can feel better"
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Keefe and I went out each other pretty hard back in 2016 during the election ( history subsequently proved that I was on the right side). At some point it became clear to me that Keefe had significant emotional problems and I withdrew from the dispute. I’m not aware of any attempts by Keith to retaliate against me but then again I am my own boss.
The fact that Keefe hasn’t responded here is not out of character. When he was called out for plagiarism he did not attempt to defend himself but just disappeared for a couple of years.
There is something seriously wrong with this fellow.
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You had me and you lost me there Jake. I agree, and don't think anyone disputed that what Keefe did was horrendous and he deserves whatever ban the mods give him. But then you had to turn it into a political issue. Your point is made without your "addendum". Be better.
I think the hypothetical made a lot of sense--kind of a stretch to claim it was political unless you're really trying to look for something there. As a reminder, this is a politics free zone. Your "be better" comment is unnecessary.
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Quite honestly, the mental health comments are beyond belief. The mods allowing people to attack someone in this manner is a joke. The mods need to police the personal attacks and should have a long time ago. This is a fxxkin basketball forum, not CNN or Dr. Phil.
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Quite honestly, the mental health comments are beyond belief. The mods allowing people to attack someone in this manner is a joke. The mods need to police the personal attacks and should have a long time ago. This is a fxxkin basketball forum, not CNN or Dr. Phil.
I get he's your friend but what would you call it if someone stalks another so intensely then tries to get them fired over online message board comments? I wouldn't call that mentally healthy.
Also let's not pretend Keefe is some innocent person who slipped up here. He's launched hugely personal attacks against (just off the top of my head) BLM/Wadeworld, Sultan/Fluffy, me, Warriorchick, Brewcity & Tower.
Do you expect a bunch of people to somehow be sympathetic to him after all that?
All that being said I agree the amount of personal attacks on here is over the top, and that goes for your friend especially.
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Quite honestly, the mental health comments are beyond belief. The mods allowing people to attack someone in this manner is a joke. The mods need to police the personal attacks and should have a long time ago. This is a fxxkin basketball forum, not CNN or Dr. Phil.
The fact that Goose is more upset about an obvious description of Keefe than he is about Keefe attempting to mess with a fellow poster's livelihood, is pretty telling.
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Galway
I have said for quite some time that the attacks need to be monitored. The lack of respect, or out and out attacks, need to be eliminated. Yes, Keefe is my friend, but if someone used mental health issues against 82 I would have the same response.
Mutaman
I think the email was over the top and completely wrong. Have said that many times. My post is a general statement and I believe there are too many attacks across the board.
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Galway
I have said for quite some time that the attacks need to be monitored. The lack of respect, or out and out attacks, need to be eliminated. Yes, Keefe is my friend, but if someone used mental health issues against 82 I would have the same response.
Mutaman
I think the email was over the top and completely wrong. Have said that many times. My post is a general statement and I believe there are too many attacks across the board.
Honestly, I would be a little relieved to find out that his behavior is due to struggles with mental health. The alternative is that he is a hateful, unapologetic bully.
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Chick
I guess my suggestion that personal attacks should be eliminated does not match your thinking.
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Galway
I have said for quite some time that the attacks need to be monitored. The lack of respect, or out and out attacks, need to be eliminated. Yes, Keefe is my friend, but if someone used mental health issues against 82 I would have the same response.
Mutaman
I think the email was over the top and completely wrong. Have said that many times. My post is a general statement and I believe there are too many attacks across the board.
If 82 sent an email to your boss telling him that you were spending company time online, i'd say that 82 had some serious mental health issues.
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Mutaman
I would think he was an pretty boy and childish.
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Mutaman
I would think he was an pretty boy and childish.
That too.
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Chick
I guess my suggestion that personal attacks should be eliminated does not match your thinking.
Calling someone who did what Keefe did a bully is not an attack. It's a fact.
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chick
Fair point, but that is assuming Keefe sent the email. I am not a tech person and would have no way of confirming he sent the email. If he sent it, or someone else, and it is confirmed, calling the sender a bully would be acceptable. Much like the attack 4ever thread in December, which was allowed to stay active, the person in question is disliked by many on here and the attacks are allowed.
I would add, if I started an anti chick thread my guess it would last about two seconds and that is right amount of time. The anti 4ever thread was 10+ pages of attacks.
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I suspect that the reason Keefe has not responded is that, based on his past posts, he's busy working at the battered women's shelter or down in Arizona advising the Native Americans not to watch The Searchers. Or maybe he's busy in the Middle East single handily winning WW111 .
I'm sure that as soon as he gets a break, he'll come on here and explain how this was all just a big misunderstanding.
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Mutaman
He is actually at the gym having a workout.
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A lot of y'all are gonna have some big welts in your hands from all the pearl clutching.
Plus, the fact that wades wasn't fired just proves that he has wealthy, white privilege.
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chick
Fair point, but that is assuming Keefe sent the email. I am not a tech person and would have no way of confirming he sent the email. If he sent it, or someone else, and it is confirmed, calling the sender a bully would be acceptable. Much like the attack 4ever thread in December, which was allowed to stay active, the person in question is disliked by many on here and the attacks are allowed.
I would add, if I started an anti chick thread my guess it would last about two seconds and that is right amount of time. The anti 4ever thread was 10+ pages of attacks.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61013.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61013.0)
Funny, many of the attackers are now mortally injured.
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A lot of y'all are gonna have some big welts in your hands from all the pearl clutching.
Plus, the fact that wades wasn't fired just proves that he has wealthy, white privilege.
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You’d be fine with someone doxxing you then?
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Ziggy
Started by a mod, go figure.
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https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61013.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61013.0)
Funny, many of the attackers are now mortally injured.
Not quite the same for them when the shoe's on the other hand, hey?
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Galway
I have said for quite some time that the attacks need to be monitored. The lack of respect, or out and out attacks, need to be eliminated. Yes, Keefe is my friend, but if someone used mental health issues against 82 I would have the same response.
Mutaman
I think the email was over the top and completely wrong. Have said that many times. My post is a general statement and I believe there are too many attacks across the board.
I am gonna agree with the attacks re: using the term "mental health issues." I think we've established the third rail here. That's a bad road to go down for any number of reasons.
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Ziggy
Started by a mod, go figure.
Like the teacher that bangs a student.
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Mutaman
He is actually at the gym having a workout.
And according to him he just set the world record for pumping iron and running the treadmill. Then he fired off a few emails to various HR departments. Then he went and banged one of the aerobics instructors (his words). Finally he posted a long article that he plagiarized from some websight.
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Ah..."No should be accusing Keefe of wrongdoing because you've all done wrong before too!"
We've nearly run through the entire BINGO card of ways to dismiss Keefe's abhorrent behavior.
I do so enjoy another example of trying to equate online troll/bully behavior with a real life in-person attack that can affect someone and their family's livelihood.
Give me a break.
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https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61013.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61013.0)
Funny, many of the attackers are now mortally injured.
Ziggy
Started by a mod, go figure.
Not quite the same for them when the shoe's on the other hand, hey?
So you all don't understand the difference with that thread, vs keefe emailing people's workplaces? Truly baffling.
Zig, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would support Keefe's actions. Goose, my posts were not even an attack. Lighthouse, I think you're better than stepping in the middle of this.
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rocky
You loved the post you started and did not nothing to stop the attacks. It was your Arby's moment.
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So you all don't understand the difference with that thread, vs keefe emailing people's workplaces? Truly baffling.
Zig, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would support Keefe's actions. Goose, my posts were not even an attack. Lighthouse, I think you're better than stepping in the middle of this.
What makes you say this? Has Zig done something similar?
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rocky
You loved the post you started and did not nothing to stop the attacks. It was your Arby's moment.
What does that thread in December have to do with another poster doxxing multiple people (it was two people, not just BLM, that we know of) in June? Is that a justification?
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So you all don't understand the difference with that thread, vs keefe's *alleged * emailing people's workplaces? Truly baffling.
Zig, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would support Keefe's actions. Goose, my posts were not even an attack. Lighthouse, I think you're better than stepping in the middle of this.
Hmm....don't think I supported keefe at all, but thanks for projecting.
I actually sent crash a text telling him he was naughty just like my betters here suggested.
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https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61013.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61013.0)
Funny, many of the attackers are now mortally injured.
Went through 11 pages to make sure I stayed above the fray and I did 8-)
You all wish you could reach my newfound moral high ground
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Hmm....don't think I supported keefe at all, but thanks for projecting.
Perhaps I didn't understand what you found funny... "Funny, many of the attackers are now mortally injured."
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Perhaps I didn't understand what you found funny... "Funny, many of the attackers are now mortally injured."
The same pearl clutchers had no problem attacking 4ever. That was my point. Didn't think it was that deep.
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So you all don't understand the difference with that thread, vs keefe emailing people's workplaces? Truly baffling.
Zig, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you would support Keefe's actions. Goose, my posts were not even an attack. Lighthouse, I think you're better than stepping in the middle of this.
I don't support Keefe's actions at all. In fact, I said, "I agree, and don't think anyone disputed that what Keefe did was horrendous and he deserves whatever ban the mods give him." But I don't think some of the comments on here would fly if someone who leaned right said them.
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Can we agree on one fxxkin thing, no one supports the email being sent to Wade's HR department. Every other discussion is a sidebar to the main event. Whomever sent the email pulled an asxhole move.
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The same pearl clutchers had no problem attacking 4ever. That was my point. Didn't think it was that deep.
You think attacking* 4ever on an online message board is somehow comparable to trying to mess with someone's livelihood in real life?
If people were going to online review sites and saying 4ever diddled their child during a tooth cleaning, you may be onto something. Otherwise, you're just being ridiculous.
* By attacking, you mean "cutting and pasting the things he writes"
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You think attacking* 4ever on an online message board is somehow comparable to trying to mess with someone's livelihood in real life?
If people were going to online review sites and saying 4ever diddled their child during a tooth cleaning, you may be onto something. Otherwise, you're just being ridiculous.
* By attacking, you mean "cutting and pasting the things he writes"
And let’s be honest, reading that thread isn’t a one-way street of personal attacks like some are making it out
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Can we agree on one fxxkin thing, no one supports the email being sent to Wade's HR department. Every other discussion is a sidebar to the main event. Whomever sent the email pulled an asxhole move.
Agreed a lot is lost in the weeds here.
It sickens me know that a MU fan used this site, to then attempt "revenge" at other fans places of work. We all should be outraged at that.
And we've removed the "whomever" in this case - it was keefe.
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Agreed a lot is lost in the weeds here.
It sickens me know that a MU fan used this site, to then attempt "revenge" at other fans places of work. We all should be outraged at that.
And we've removed the "whomever" in this case - it was keefe.
Doesn't he also post as "Jon" and "TheBabyDavid"
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Pakuni
The 4ever thread was a joke and Rocky should be banned for started it. He started a thread as an attempt to embarrass a fellow scooper. I would gladly start a new thread to differentiate this thought vs the email for the folks that cannot multi task.
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Multitasking
(https://i.imgur.com/i05QJEX.gif?noredirect)
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Doesn't he also post as "Jon" and "TheBabyDavid"
Yes, and IIRC, using the name "Jon" was his way of trolling a popular poster on here by using that guy's real name.
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chick
Who was the popular poster named Jon? You are scooping me.
Was crash also forgetful?
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Pakuni
The 4ever thread was a joke and Rocky should be banned for started it. He started a thread as an attempt to embarrass a fellow scooper. I would gladly start a new thread to differentiate this thought vs the email for the folks that cannot multi task.
Goose
If 4ever is embarrassed by a compilation of his posts, that says much more about him than it does rocky.
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chick
Who was the popular poster named Jon? You are scooping me.
Was crash also forgetful?
I am having a brain cramp right now on that part. I remember he ridiculed his occupation (or at least his place of work), which I won't disclose because it would be too easy to find him.
I don't think Keefe is forgetful; he certainly seems to remember every single time someone has embarrassed or angered him on Scoop.
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Pakuni
I would say many on here could have best hits thread started about them and not sure of the purpose other than to embarrass someone. You believe, and at times rightfully so, that you are extremely clever, but you have had your share of clunkers. I would challenge a post trying to embarrass you as well.
chick
Now I remember the Jon you are referencing.
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I have said for quite some time that the attacks need to be monitored. The lack of respect, or out and out attacks, need to be eliminated. Yes, Keefe is my friend, but if someone used mental health issues against 82 I would have the same response.
Goose
Thanks for mentioning 82.
82 would never do what Crash did. But if 82 did, 82 would not expect anybody to defend 82. And deep down, 82 would hope that 82's wife or another family member or even a Scoop friend would inquire about 82's mental state, because there's something dark going on.
I spent today umpiring at a little league event in the inferno that is Charlotte in July, so I just caught up with the drama here. Last night, I made my one and only post in this thread, saying Crash was neither my "friend" nor "adversary" -- which obviously makes me different from all those here who either love or loathe him -- and I concluded my brief post with:
I truly am sad that any Scooper or Marquette alum would stoop to this. And I actually worry about his mental state, something I don’t say lightly.
Do you think that's an "attack"? That's genuine concern for a fellow MU alum. There are almost certainly mental issues involved in perpetrating such a malicious, personal, spiteful act.
And I'd say that even if 82 had done it.
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warthog-driver, TribalRage, unforgiven, Parsighian, pumata, theBabyDavid, Jon, mazos, keefe, kalkbird, larrycarlboner, linguaflicker, maymay, nigel, omar, ollie, niger, nama, opiyama, oso, quisp, lilkunio, quito, quilly, quint .. and about 50 others.
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82
I do not think your post was an attack at all, was referencing other comments. Your post was well thought out and respectful, I cannot the same for others. We may disagree on many topics but I have never felt you were an unkind person.
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82
I do not think your post was an attack at all, was referencing other comments. Your post was well thought out and respectful, I cannot the same for others. We may disagree on many topics but I have never felt you were an unkind person.
I appreciate that.
I had planned to not get involved in this thread beyond my initial comment, because I don't see what good can come of it. And I'll step out again now until something new has been reported or unless I'm called into it. Have a nice night.
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Was crash also forgetful?
I don't think Keefe is forgetful; he certainly seems to remember every single time someone has embarrassed or angered him on Scoop.
I do forget a lot of things, but I just want to make clear. I am not Keefe.
I don't think we even have a lot in common, and have actually gotten into some debates/arguments on here before.
I was going to avoid this thread, but thought it was important to make clear Keefe and I are different people.
Now I'm going to add some extra butter to my popcorn and spectate.
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Pakuni
I would say many on here could have best hits thread started about them and not sure of the purpose other than to embarrass someone. You believe, and at times rightfully so, that you are extremely clever, but you have had your share of clunkers. I would challenge a post trying to embarrass you as well.
chick
Now I remember the Jon you are referencing.
Goose
I have no doubt I've posted more than a fee clunkers, and if someone wishes to rehash them, have at it. I'm definitely not above owning my bad takes.
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You think attacking* 4ever on an online message board is somehow comparable to trying to mess with someone's livelihood in real life?
If people were going to online review sites and saying 4ever diddled their child during a tooth cleaning, you may be onto something. Otherwise, you're just being ridiculous.
* By attacking, you mean "cutting and pasting the things he writes"
Pakuni,
Do you really think outing BLM to his HR director as a frequent Scoop contributor is equivalent to making false claims about child sex abuse on a dentist’s patient review page?
I’m with you that Keefe was out of line but c’mon.
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I’ve been wary of Keene from the get go. Big talker, full of himself. Then, a few years ago, he started making references to my current and former employers. I’ve never mentioned them on here. That’s bloody creepy. Most was in response to me mocking Michigan football.
Going to someone’s HR department thought, that’s messed up. I had it happen to me but my boss looked at it, laughed it off and just said “be careful on social media.” That chick had issues and so does Keefe.
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Pakuni,
Do you really think outing BLM to his HR director as a frequent Scoop contributor is equivalent to making false claims about child sex abuse on a dentist’s patient review page?
I’m with you that Keefe was out of line but c’mon.
seriously...i'm sorry, but the child abuse thing in a dental chair trumps(no pun intended) the other thing really BIG TIME. you can do better pak for the record, i have to agree with the consensus that mazos was over the top. this analogy however is nasty bad
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Pakuni,
Do you really think outing BLM to his HR director as a frequent Scoop contributor is equivalent to making false claims about child sex abuse on a dentist’s patient review page?
I’m with you that Keefe was out of line but c’mon.
Lenny,
I'd like to think you're way smarter than this. Please don't disavow me of that notion.
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Pakuni,
Do you really think outing BLM to his HR director as a frequent Scoop contributor is equivalent to making false claims about child sex abuse on a dentist’s patient review page?
I’m with you that Keefe was out of line but c’mon.
Keefe's defenders are now down to arguing that his behavior is not as bad as a hypothetical that never happened. "Out of line"? Tough critic.
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Pakuni
The 4ever thread was a joke and Rocky should be banned for started it. He started a thread as an attempt to embarrass a fellow scooper. I would gladly start a new thread to differentiate this thought vs the email for the folks that cannot multi task.
I'm struggling with what one has to do with the other. Yes, there was a thread started poking fun at 4ever's constantly negative takes, especially because MU had just taken down a top 5 ranked Rodent squad. And yes, many piled on about his takes, including myself, about his actively cheering for MU to lose, being gleeful when MU lost out on a prized recruit, and (the worst in my mind) belittling current players.
But how does that relate to what keefe did? I know you've said what he did was crapty, so credit for that. But I just don't understand how criticizing 4ever in that thread for those things somehow relates to tattling to someone's HR department.
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I’ve been wary of Keene from the get go. Big talker, full of himself. Then, a few years ago, he started making references to my current and former employers. I’ve never mentioned them on here. That’s bloody creepy. Most was in response to me mocking Michigan football.
Going to someone’s HR department thought, that’s messed up. I had it happen to me but my boss looked at it, laughed it off and just said “be careful on social media.” That chick had issues and so does Keefe.
This.
This is not the first time keefe has pulled this crap. As far as I know he never went as far as contacting someone's company before, but he has attempted to pull this bullying intimidation bullcrap many times before.
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Forgetful
My bad. I was thinking unforgiven and typed forgetful. Sorry for dragging you into the conversation, it was mistake on my part.
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Can we agree on one fxxkin thing, no one supports the email being sent to Wade's HR department. Every other discussion is a sidebar to the main event. Whomever sent the email pulled an asxhole move.
Of course we can. But then why do you guys feel the need to defend him at every turn. No one brought up what a stellar fella he is.
Good people make bad decisions all the time, but to many here, it seems that his buddies are trying to excuse his bad decision.
A real man would apologize and say he got caught up in the moment and acknowledge it. But here we are. The biggest manliest man on the board can't bring himself to do such a thing. The silence is truly deafening.
And I'll add that the mods gave him more than enough time since yesterday to do this. Publicly or privately.
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Hards
I do think many on here assume things because of who the poster happens to be. My comments on Crash being a friend is a fact and I stick to that. If he did something stupid, that is on him, not me to make it right. All I can add is that I do not approve of anyone crossing lines and trying to hurt someone. Me personally, over the years I have tried harder and harder to show respect on scoop and weigh my words and that is something I can control, other people need to do the same and be held accountable if lines are crossed.
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Lenny,
I'd like to think you're way smarter than this. Please don't disavow me of that notion.
? You made the comparison, not me. As for taking things literally, there’s so much unintentional hyperbole in this thread it’s hard to tell where it stops.
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? You made the comparison, not me. As for taking things literally, there’s so much unintentional hyperbole in this thread it’s hard to tell where it stops.
Oh, Lenny,
I didn't compare anything. I threw out an off-the-cuff example of how someone might "attack" 4ever in real life, as opposed to Ziggy's silly statement that re-posting 4ever's own words constituted a real life attack on him.
The fact you seem outraged by a mere hypothetical while steadfastly remaining an "unabashed and unapologetic fan" of keefe in light of his actions is disappointing.
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In my opinion, the politics and personal insults, often times originating in johnson measuring, have been allowed to go unchecked and subsequently get way out of hand. Piling on is the norm here. End result is an internet shoot out at sundown.
Why can't we all be friends, hey?
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In my opinion, the politics and personal insults, often times originating in johnson measuring, have been allowed to go unchecked and subsequently get way out of hand. Piling on is the norm here. End result is an internet shoot out at sundown.
Why can't we all be friends, hey?
This is a real weird conclusion to draw given what we know of why this thread exists.
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In my opinion, the politics and personal insults, often times originating in johnson measuring, have been allowed to go unchecked and subsequently get way out of hand. Piling on is the norm here. End result is an internet shoot out at sundown.
Why can't we all be friends, hey?
Is there a commercial/business aspect of this board? Without an ad blocker, I get ads on here.
Maybe # of visits makes money?
More Jerry Springer on here the better?
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In my opinion, the politics and personal insults, often times originating in johnson measuring, have been allowed to go unchecked and subsequently get way out of hand. Piling on is the norm here. End result is an internet shoot out at sundown.
Why can't we all be friends, hey?
Internet fights definitely not comparable to real life threats
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The responses here are both funny and incredibly predictable. I'd say I'm sure Keefe's a great guy in real life, but honestly someone who quite literally internet stalks someone and then sends their HR department an email about them viewing non-work related websites really doesn't seem like that great of a guy. Insults on Twitter or a message board? I'm guilty of it. And like I said, that is my blame in all of this. Obviously my posting upset Keefer or this wouldn't have happened. But I don't think I could ever find myself getting so invested that I'd even care to learn the identity of an anonymous poster, let alone figure out his position, company, and who to email to alert about that.
I don't know whether Keefer needs help or not. But I do know that if my friends found out I did what Keefer did, I sure as hell hope they'd be like "Yooooooooooo! What the fuuuuuu?! That is way out of line dude!" I'd hope they'd forgive me and remain friends with me, and my actions are not their responsibility. But if they consider me to be a "great guy" I'd hope they'd let me know when I'm certainly not acting like a "great guy." That stuff is flat out creepy, weird, and out of line.
We can pretend that we don't know for sure that it was Keefer who sent the emails to multiple peoples' companies. But the reality is the email address is logged to an MUScoop username that shares the same 2 IP addresses as Keefer's username, is linked to a Twitter account that is checking in in the Seattle suburbs, and has been confirmed as Keefer by a moderator. Not to mention, he's posted multiple times in other threads and has failed to post in this thread. If someone accused me of what I'm accusing Keefer of and I was not responsible for the emails, I know damn well I'd have responded ASAP. If you want to dig your head in the sand feel free. Wouldn't be the first time. But you're willingly being ignorant.
This guy has shown us who he is. It's not an "internet personality." It's a guy with issues.
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Is there a commercial/business aspect of this board? Without an ad blocker, I get ads on here.
Maybe # of visits makes money?
More Jerry Springer on here the better?
That's why part of my platform to become supermoderator is birthday gifts for everyone. Time to spend some of the MUScoop treasury! On my birthday. But not my real birthday because I don't want Keefe to doxx me and email my grandma about how I've told everyone he has a small pp.
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The responses here are both funny and incredibly predictable. I'd say I'm sure Keefe's a great guy in real life, but honestly someone who quite literally internet stalks someone and then sends their HR department an email about them viewing non-work related websites really doesn't seem like that great of a guy. Insults on Twitter or a message board? I'm guilty of it. And like I said, that is my blame in all of this. Obviously my posting upset Keefer or this wouldn't have happened. But I don't think I could ever find myself getting so invested that I'd even care to learn the identity of an anonymous poster, let alone figure out his position, company, and who to email to alert about that.
I don't know whether Keefer needs help or not. But I do know that if my friends found out I did what Keefer did, I sure as hell hope they'd be like "Yooooooooooo! What the fuuuuuu?! That is way out of line dude!" I'd hope they'd forgive me and remain friends with me, and my actions are not their responsibility. But if they consider me to be a "great guy" I'd hope they'd let me know when I'm certainly not acting like a "great guy." That stuff is flat out creepy, weird, and out of line.
We can pretend that we don't know for sure that it was Keefer who sent the emails to multiple peoples' companies. But the reality is the email address is logged to an MUScoop username that shares the same 2 IP addresses as Keefer's username, is linked to a Twitter account that is checking in in the Seattle suburbs, and has been confirmed as Keefer by a moderator. If you want to dig your head in the sand feel free. Wouldn't be the first time. But you're willingly being ignorant.
This guy has shown us who he is. It's not an "internet personality." It's a guy with issues.
I agree with this analysis.
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This guy has shown us who he is. It's not an "internet personality." It's a guy with issues.
With Keefe and a couple of others on here, people have said, either directly to me or in a post, "That's just a character he likes to play on the board. In real life he's a good guy".
My question is: Why would a "good guy" choose to be this character?
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With Keefe and a couple of others on here, people have said, either directly to me or in a post, "That's just a character he likes to play on the board. In real life he's a good guy".
My question is: Why would a "good guy" choose to be this character?
In another unrelated online community that bridges the online/offline divide, there are several authors who are defended this way. These individuals persistently create professional kerfuffles (to put it mildly), and are *extremely* divisive based on their confrontational, trollish, online behavior. If I only had a nickel for everyone who said some variant of "oh they just do that to play a character, they're *really* good guys IRL." In both dealing with those authors and the impact they have on the communities they interact with and in dealing with <waves hands at whatever this is>, I'm always reminded of Popehat's Rule of Goats, which states (mildly edited), "if you kiss a goat ironically, you're still a goat kisser."
If you're a jerk on the internet as part of a schtick, you're still a jerk. The rest of your justification for being a jerk is irrelevant to the inevitable conclusion that you're a jerk.
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BLM posting during work hours again. Very very brave. :P :-\ :o 8-) ;D
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Query: Based on the facts stated in BLM's original post, might not Keefe's actions constitute a crime? i guess it depends on the state where BLM works.
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In my opinion, the politics and personal insults, often times originating in johnson measuring, have been allowed to go unchecked and subsequently get way out of hand. Piling on is the norm here. End result is an internet shoot out at sundown.
Why can't we all be friends, hey?
friends don’t try to get friends fired, but keep your head in the sand.
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The fact you seem outraged by a mere hypothetical while steadfastly remaining an "unabashed and unapologetic fan" of keefe in light of his actions is disappointing.
The fact that you characterize someone simply pointing out your obviously false equivalency as “outraged” is disappointing to me.
The fact that I’ll only say that what Keefe did was wrong and “out of line” (BLM later used the exact same words) and not call him the worst person in the world who I will heretofore metaphorically spit on every time his name is mentioned is disappointing to you. Sorry I can’t give you what you want.
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The fact that you characterize someone simply pointing out your obviously false equivalency as “outraged” is disappointing to me.
The fact that I’ll only say that what Keefe did was wrong and “out of line” (BLM later used the exact same words) and not call him the worst person in the world who I will heretofore metaphorically spit on every time his name is mentioned is disappointing to you. Sorry I can’t give you what you want.
Very reasonable post, Lenny.
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Beastie Boys - Tough Guy
https://youtu.be/DNkYVaRzhxE
Even has basketball reference just for Scoop.
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Query: Based on the facts stated in BLM's original post, might not Keefe's actions constitute a crime? i guess it depends on the state where BLM works.
It might be, depending on the state in which BLM lives. In fact, my first thought when I read what happened was “this could really expose Keefe to civil liability. Not smart.” That’s one of several reasons why I suspect Keefe has a disorder of some type—a rational person simply doesn’t behave that way. Glad the consequences for his actions in this instance are only limited to him looking like a dingus (again).
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With Keefe and a couple of others on here, people have said, either directly to me or in a post, "That's just a character he likes to play on the board. In real life he's a good guy".
My question is: Why would a "good guy" choose to be this character?
I've maintained for years that there are many similarities between Keefe and Dennis Reynolds.
https://images.app.goo.gl/w6vno3CpzShXKT8bA
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The guys saying "he's not like that" and "this is out of character for him" remind me of the interviews of a mass murderer's neighbor: "He was a quiet man."
Gotta admit, I liked his posts better when he did haiku.
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The guy has shown persistent alter-social behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits.
Those close should probably reach out, for his sake.
Those denying and praising him still are enabling a dangerous behavior which should be worrisome for anyone that doesn’t participate in the round table of meat eating. If they don’t stop, they should fall on the same sword.
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The guy has shown persistent alter-social behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits.
Those close should probably reach out, for his sake.
Those denying and praising him still are enabling a dangerous behavior which should be worrisome for anyone that doesn’t participate in the round table of meat eating. If they don’t stop, they should fall on the same sword.
Maybe he should run for president. ;D ;D ;D
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Very reasonable post, Lenny.
Thanks, Pak - appreciated.
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Maybe he should run for president. ;D ;D ;D
Overqualified?
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Enjoying this MUScoop kangaroo court.
Can’t wait for a kangaroo court board where scoopers can call out other scoopers for their crimes.
Not sure how keefe’s crew can compare what he did to what others on the board have done. That’s seriously f’ed up what he did.
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i don't have a dog in this fight but that is pathologic. I would concur that mental illness or a personality disorder (narcissism) may be at play here. For Keefe's online friends.... Bill Cosby's online friends enjoy him too and find him funny, intelligent and full of wisdom
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Keefe and Darren Rovell are birds of a feather
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/453587350162259968?s=20
Probably one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen. Do you Keefe Rovell.