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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on December 23, 2022, 04:31:57 PM
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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss team strategies going forward, while leaving the platitudes for the other thread.
He has played 26 minutes so far. The team will be the same. MU will need Joplin, Gold, and Keeyan to step up.
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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss team strategies going forward, while leaving the platitudes for the other thread.
He has played 26 minutes so far. The team will be the same. MU will need Joplin, Gold, and Keeyan to step up.
We’ve lived life after Wrightsil all season - this changes nothing.
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I thought I would start a separate thread to discuss team strategies going forward, while leaving the platitudes for the other thread.
He has played 26 minutes so far. The team will be the same. MU will need Joplin, Gold, and Keeyan to step up.
Unless there are A LOT of injuries, Keeyan's only playing junk time.
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I think Keeyan is where Oso was as a freshman. I think he has 30 or so important minutes to play this year. Either due to foul trouble or injury.
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I think Keeyan is where Oso was as a freshman. I think he has 30 or so important minutes to play this year. Either due to foul trouble or injury.
Is there any discussion of Keeyan? He's been here a year...and Gold is getting his minutes. I'm not seeing anything that makes me think he'll ever get minutes at MU.
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I choose to believe Coach Smart in regards to Keeyan. Year 2 of a five year plan. And he is progressing on his skill development.
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I think Keeyan is where Oso was as a freshman. I think he has 30 or so important minutes to play this year. Either due to foul trouble or injury.
I would like to see Oso and Keeyan playing a little together as Jop plays shadow D most of the time, see if it possible
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I would like to see Oso and Keeyan playing a little together as Jop plays shadow D most of the time, see if it possible
Oso & Keeyan? Nope
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Why not? Jop can not defend anybody. Oso can guard the wing and Keeyan just has to use some muscle at the center. You do not improve just in practice, needs some PT time, if not why recruit a kid like that. Guess he will see if this 5 year plan works, I hope so but doubt it
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I choose to believe Coach Smart in regards to Keeyan. Year 2 of a five year plan. And he is progressing on his skill development.
I hadn't heard Shaka speak to Keeyan other than to say what an amazing athlete he is. Obviously nearly all MU players are on a 4/5 year plan...Shaka is saying his progression is as expected?
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This is at least the second time Ive heard scoopers saying we need Keeyan to step up….or he will contribute minutes.
He essentially is a walk on.
What this means is that Osa needs to continue to be smart about his foul allocation.
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Do you think Shaka will over recruit him,
I think he will. Then we will see what Happens, I say a mistake
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I would like to see Oso and Keeyan playing a little together as Jop plays shadow D most of the time, see if it possible
That is practice. Shaka knows if it’s possible…..and to date it’s not.
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He essentially is a walk on.
Yup...
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You can't play Oso and Keeyan together because of the offensive end, not the defensive end.
Shaka says this is year 2 of a 5 year plan and wants Keeyan to get to 240 lbs. Better go to Kopps or Gilles and pretty much live there.
Does no one listen to the coach?
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You can't play Oso and Keeyan together because of the offensive end, not the defensive end.
Shaka says this is year 2 of a 5 year plan and wants Keeyan to get to 240 lbs. Better go to Kopps or Gilles and pretty much live there.
Does no one listen to the coach?
He doesn’t listen to me when I yell at him through the tv screen….so in return, I will not listen to him.
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You can't play Oso and Keeyan together because of the offensive end, not the defensive end.
Shaka says this is year 2 of a 5 year plan and wants Keeyan to get to 240 lbs. Better go to Kopps or Gilles and pretty much live there.
Does no one listen to the coach?
At least let the guy eat good custard.
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If Keeyan was ready to play right now he’d be playing.
The fact that he gets walk on minutes tells you all you need to know about where he is in year 2.
That doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t develop but it’s obvious to he isn’t ready to contribute now.
Shaka wouldn’t be the first coach to fall in love with the athleticism of a kid and then not to be able to turn him into a basketball player.
Hope he works out eventually but I wouldn’t bet on it……….as far as Shaka’s comments….. he is always going to find something positive to say about a kid he recruited…..especially one that by all accounts is working hard and is a great teammate.
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He doesn’t listen to me when I yell at him through the tv screen….so in return, I will not listen to him.
He gets to 240, so what? Now he is good enough to play, doubt it
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He gets to 240, so what? Now he is good enough to play, doubt it
Ahhhh ok..
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Year 2 of a 5 year plan? So for four years, he does not contribute and then in year 5 all of a sudden it happens.
Or does he slowly, very slowly work his way into like 5 minutes in year three, 10 minutes in year four? Right now he is at zero minutes in year two.
Never seen that theory before, but right now he is just taking up space on bench. Guess we will see and anticipate his progress.
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Hope for the best, figure the worst!
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Let things play out.
Hopefully Keeyan will contribute in the future.
Currently we have a larger rotation than the great majority of teams.
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if the plan is to sit 3 years and hopefully in year 4 get 12-17 mins a game as a back up, then theyre right on track. idk what kid who wants play D1 ball agrees to that. I dont see anything from him so far. gold playing and keeyan not is telling. who knows maybe he will drastically improve.
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Gold doesn’t play much, but too bad Keeyan can’t offer even 5, 6 minutes per of D and boards.
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I will choose to trust the development plan.
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Let things play out.
Hopefully Keeyan will contribute in the future.
Currently we have a larger rotation than the great majority of teams.
Exactly. I think it’s good to have a few “program” guys on scholarship since you aren’t going to have a 13 man rotation anyway. Having 13 guys on the roster who all think they should be getting minutes just leads to problems and the roster becomes a revolving door.
Though it’s no secret that we are one over the limit so something will have to work itself out. I wouldn’t read much into the “he’s in year 2 of a 5 year plan” (I’ve heard Shaka say this too) as that’s what he would say about everybody at this point in the season. Hopefully Keeyan is developing at the level the coaches expect of him, but from a fan’s perspective he’s off to a pretty slow start.
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I will choose to trust the development plan.
So you want Keeyan to step up in Zach’s absence……but also continue to clang the bell of ‘trust the process’…..which means Keeyan won’t be stepping up this year. Interesting.
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I think Keeyan will have moments this year. I think he will develop into a solid player. I think that is all part of the process.
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You do? Well, that makes one.
I would love to see Keeyan have 30 important minutes or even “moments “this year, but he will need to get off of the walk-on lineup for that to happen.
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What’s the Venn Diagram of:
1. Those complaining about Keeyan
2. Those complaining why MU can’t ever get a guy like Max Fiedler or Medley-Bacon, but mid-majors can?
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Wisconsin has had 5 year project bigs forever. Oso played 38 minutes as a freshman. The one thing Shaka consistently did at Texas was develop bigs. Patience is a virtue.
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I have very few beefs with Shaka's recruiting. He prioritizes switchable athletes who will excel in his system, and I don't blame him.
That said, we needed a legit backup big and he didn't get one. I'm not outraged by it or furious about it or anything like that, but it's a fact and I think most of us wish he had succeeded at bringing one in. It happens. Nobody said recruiting -- let alone talented bigs -- is easy.
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I have very beefs with Shaka's recruiting. He prioritizes switchable athletes who will excel in his system, and I don't blame him.
That said, we needed a legit backup big and he didn't get one. I'm not outraged by it or furious about it or anything like that, but it's a fact and I think most of us wish he had succeeded at bringing one in. It happens. Nobody said recruiting -- let alone talented bigs -- is easy.
I share the same sentiments. Although looking at the two guys he was after hardest, Washington and bates, it’s easy to see why they chose butler and asu over us. Neither wanted to be a backup.
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Wisconsin has had 5 year project bigs forever. Oso played 38 minutes as a freshman. The one thing Shaka consistently did at Texas was develop bigs. Patience is a virtue.
We didn't see much of Oso under Wojo; now he is one of our best players. I think Shaka and the coaches have better insight of Keenyan's potential than we do.
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To me guys like Keeyan and Wrightstil are just there to take a scholarship and provide a litte security if in need. Wrightstill could have been serviceable if Oso went down with an injury...and we obviously couldn't do better with the scholarship. Keeyan is a project, and a project big is a worthwhile gamble, especially if you don't have anywhere else to go with the scholarship. I'm just not convinced he's developing as planned/hoped...but time will tell.
I'd have loved a serviceable big in the portal...but l think if I realize the need...Shaka did as well.
If I'm an athletic big...watching the development and use of Oso would excite me...
If the UNC quarterback is only worth $5 million we ought to be able to get a back-up big in the portal for peanuts ::)
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We didn't see much of Oso under Wojo; now he is one of our best players. I think Shaka and the coaches have better insight of Keenyan's potential than we do.
Sir, this is Scoop
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We all would have loved a serviceable big in the portal.
Serviceable bigs who fit in
Shaka's system and are willing to play 10 minutes a game are a dime a dozen.
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Every Scoop "wasted scholarship" player has wound up in the NBA.
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I couldn't sleep last night, stayed up the whole night thinking about life after Wrightsil.
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How many bigs has Shaka recruited who redshirted first year……didn’t play their 2nd season……and then turned into a solid player?
I honestly don’t know the answer but I didn’t see any at Texas……maybe I missed one?
Wisconsin has used the redshirt to great benefit……but to my knowledge the guys that redshirted and became good players had a regular role in their next season. Happ started……Kaminsky was a backup for 2 years behind Berggren but played in every game……I do remember Evan Anderson……he redshirted…..warmed the bench for 3 years ….graduated ….and didn’t use his 4th year of eligibility. Might not have been his call.
I would think it’s pretty unusual for a guy to be in his second year in the program and still not be able to get off the bench even though there is a glaring need as a backup at his position.
I heard Keeyan talk on the radio before the season started and he said he thought he was ready to fill a role similar to what Kur did last season but as a backup to Oso…….block shots and rebound.
So it sure seems like he thought he was going to have a role this season…..Shaka obviously feels otherwise…..at least until this point.
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Whether Keeyan will develop into a good player is questionable. However, from what I seen he is extremely athletic and worth the effort to try to develop him.
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We’ll see if anything changes in regards to trying to get Keeyan some spot minutes here and there now that Shaka knows Wrightsil is done. I wouldn’t expect anything to change but we’ll see.
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We all better hope Itejere develops into an Oso type 5. Otherwise we have way too large a stake in Al Amadou stock.
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Does anyone know much about Amadou?
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Wisconsin has had 5 year project bigs forever. Oso played 38 minutes as a freshman. The one thing Shaka consistently did at Texas was develop bigs. Patience is a virtue.
Did he, though?
Most (all?) of his good bigs at Texas were 5- and 4-star kids who there for 1-2 years (Greg Brown, Kai Jones, Mo Bamba, Jaxson Hayes, Jarrett Allen).
This isn't to say he can't develop bigs - and he did develop some good ones at VCU - but most of his bigs at Texas weren't guys who stuck around and developed on a long-term plan. They were mostly one-and-dones.
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Does anyone know much about Amadou?
Amadon't.
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Does anyone know much about Amadou?
From what I recall reading: Extremely athletic, long, wiry/thin. Late to the game, didn't start playing until 8th grade. Hard worker. Has a lot of charisma, leadership qualities. He's an ascending talent.
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Who wouldn’t love more talented bigs?
But the reality is that you can’t get everything you want all the time. You’ve gotta prioritize somewhere.
I love that Shaka has focused on building and identity first and foremost. Man was that lacking in the Wojo era. It was the first thing KO and Crean tried to do too.
I think, long term, his focus on re-establishing the kind of program he had success with pre-Texas goes along nicely with the “Marquette tough” reputation we once had with the three amigos, Jae, Jimmy, etc. He’s building a brand that will become a competitive advantage.
His recruiting is focused on four year guys who can press, play d with violence, run and gun. Becoming a magnet for guys who will live up that is the right thing to do.
We’ve had a few all conference level bigs in the last three decades, but it’s a short list. For every Scott Merritt there are 4-5 John Polonoskis, Chris Grimms and Matt Heldts. Nothing against those dudes but their upside in this system would be very limited.
I’ll stick with the coach betting on developing guys like Keeyan over most of the guys we’ve had over 6-7 since 1990. Hopefully, with another 20 pounds, he can be the kind of bouncy, switchable rebounder we need.
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Does anyone know much about Amadou?
Apologize if posted elsewhere. I generally don’t get past page 2 of a thread….
https://buckscountyherald.com/stories/marquette-next-stop-on-alassane-al-amadous-amazing-journey-springside-chestnut-hill-academy-villanova,21509?
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Apologize if posted elsewhere. I generally don’t get past page 2 of a thread….
https://buckscountyherald.com/stories/marquette-next-stop-on-alassane-al-amadous-amazing-journey-springside-chestnut-hill-academy-villanova,21509?
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Good to see we’re getting another big who plays like a guard
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Apologize if posted elsewhere. I generally don’t get past page 2 of a thread….
https://buckscountyherald.com/stories/marquette-next-stop-on-alassane-al-amadous-amazing-journey-springside-chestnut-hill-academy-villanova,21509?
Thanks Hoops. Great story. Is there any way to check his game stats?