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Title: Vermont musings
Post by: tower912 on December 05, 2017, 05:35:51 PM
Junior high holiday band concert.  Game on dvr.  Chat amongst yourselves.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Archies Bat on December 05, 2017, 05:48:13 PM
Junior high holiday band concert.  Game on dvr.  Chat amongst yourselves.

I would have guessed you were at least in senior high.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 05, 2017, 05:51:56 PM
Good one, Arch.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: hairy worthen on December 05, 2017, 05:52:53 PM
Junior high holiday band concert.  Game on dvr.  Chat amongst yourselves.
poor bastard. I have one next week it's brutal
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 05, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
The only thing worse at this time of year is the ballet.
If they were doing word association with me and their word was interminable, my response would be “nutcracker.”
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: MUEng92 on December 05, 2017, 07:05:06 PM
Junior high holiday band concert.  Game on dvr.  Chat amongst yourselves.
In hindsight, I probably celebrated too much after my second daughter’s last grade school “program”.  Sometimes it’s hard to hide happiness.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 05, 2017, 07:26:02 PM
Don’t look forward to those days.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 05, 2017, 07:48:17 PM
The only thing worse at this time of year is the ballet.
If they were doing word association with me and their word was interminable, my response would be “nutcracker.”

Grade school orchestra is worse.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: jesmu84 on December 05, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
Marquette wins over a solid Vermont squad.

Rowsey bounced back well.

Markus with (another) career night.

Sam needs to pick it up. Not that he's playing poorly. I just want him to make more of an impact
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: NickelDimer on December 05, 2017, 07:55:25 PM
Marquette wins over a solid Vermont squad.

Rowsey bounced back well.

Markus with (another) career night.

Sam needs to pick it up. Not that he's playing poorly. I just want him to make more of an impact
? I thought Sam played great
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: GGGG on December 05, 2017, 07:56:47 PM
Marquette wins over a solid Vermont squad.

Rowsey bounced back well.

Markus with (another) career night.

Sam needs to pick it up. Not that he's playing poorly. I just want him to make more of an impact

Hauser went 17/6/4...with zero turnovers.  That's plenty impactful.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: T-Bone on December 05, 2017, 07:57:12 PM
F it. Let’s go full on Paul Westhead.  LMU era, minus death.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: GGGG on December 05, 2017, 07:57:54 PM
Sacar plus freshmen really starting to get the feel of the college game.  Really played well tonight.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: WarriorFan on December 05, 2017, 08:04:19 PM
Here's an effort:
1.  Vermont is a good team and this was a nice test
2.  Howard can score almost at will.  Hard to imagine how he sticks around a full 4 years.
3.  At the end of the first half when we needed a stop, there were 3 frosh on the floor... and Cain got the block.
4.  Hauser had the quietest 17 ever
5.  Rowsey with the best "eff you I can play point guard" 10 assists
6.  If you can't play D, you need to out-score the other guys!
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: nyg on December 05, 2017, 08:07:11 PM
Sacar plus freshmen really starting to get the feel of the college game.  Really played well tonight.

I agree with Sacar, he played a lot of minutes tonight with Vermont going small.  Cain probably played more minutes than Elliott and was great, even though he missed two open threes.  Finally congrats on Theo, made two great offensive baskets and only two fouls. 
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 05, 2017, 08:09:30 PM
? I thought Sam played great

Agreed.

Liked what I saw from Cain tonight.

A couple or really nice moves from Theo in the first half as well.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 05, 2017, 08:12:49 PM
Here's an effort:
1.  Vermont is a good team and this was a nice test
2.  Howard can score almost at will.  Hard to imagine how he sticks around a full 4 years.
3.  At the end of the first half when we needed a stop, there were 3 frosh on the floor... and Cain got the block.
4.  Hauser had the quietest 17 ever
5.  Rowsey with the best "eff you I can play point guard" 10 assists
6.  If you can't play D, you need to out-score the other guys!

I think Howard will be here all 4.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 05, 2017, 08:15:47 PM
I think Howard will be here all 4.

+ 1

We had a thread on this last season.  The number of under 6 foot players drafted in the last few years is practically zero.

He has NBA scoring ability but will get abused on the defensive end.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Boozemon Barro on December 05, 2017, 08:18:22 PM
What I'm most worried about is if Howard will be 100% on Saturday. He's in for a crapty couple days with that tailbone injury. Someone on campus needs to be on donut watch.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Newsdreams on December 05, 2017, 08:21:01 PM
I think Howard will be here all 4.
Same advantage is that he will still be young for a Senior
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Class71 on December 05, 2017, 08:22:35 PM
Best defensive effort from Matt in a very long time.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: MUfan12 on December 05, 2017, 08:31:36 PM
Thought the boys played well on the balance. That's a good team they beat tonight.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 05, 2017, 08:44:35 PM
Grade school orchestra is worse.
Ya ever been to a 5th grade track meet?  40 seconds of racing over 5 hours.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: CTWarrior on December 05, 2017, 08:50:49 PM
I thought the offense was great.  Maybe 10 ill-advised shots at most all night.  Made the extra pas and shared the ball.  That will bode well for the rest of the season.

I didn't think Hauser's points were "quiet."  I thought he played well.  Defense was pretty good (for us). 

Best stretch we've seen from Theo John, too, I think.

I was thinking while watching that while we may not be all that good, we are fun to watch.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 05, 2017, 08:51:37 PM
* I thought the defense was improved despite giving up 81 points.  Vermont is talented and play smart, thought our effort was there
* Really surprised at those calling for more from Sam.  17 points, 70% shooting, nice mix of 3's and some difficult mid-range shots, rebounds, assists...
* Theo -- Points > Fouls! FTs maybe no matta, but his FT technique is poor (really high arc).  Needs FTing tips from Heldt
* Markus, he's pretty OK
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: naginiF on December 05, 2017, 08:58:16 PM
The only thing worse at this time of year is the ballet.
If they were doing word association with me and their word was interminable, my response would be “nutcracker.”
my wife is the oldest of 5 daughters and 4 of them have danced the nutcracker.  Times i have seen the nutcracker:  before i met my wife (32yrs) = 3, after i met my wife (19yrs) = 25ish.  She's going back to Ohio to watch our nieces in a production this weekend. 

A professional ballet with an orchestra is well worth the money.  Anything else is truly staring into the abyss.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: fjm on December 05, 2017, 09:01:59 PM
-Theo played really well tonight.
-great job by Wojo with rotations and coaching tonight. Sometimes it's OK to give the coach some credit.
-Hauser played really well, his 10-15 footer looks great!
-rowsey played exceptional I thought. He made good choices, great assists and great play (aside from the weird 3pt foul she committed)
-Jamal and Greg are looking pretty good. overall their Defense looks really good.
-PleasantlybSurprised by Heldt tonight!
And lastly Sacar is still slashing which is leading to a solid 2-to-4 fouls per game. I like it!

Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: tower912 on December 05, 2017, 09:06:06 PM
1.  AR with a double double.    Nice bounceback
2.   The effort is there on defense.    One little breakdown......
3.  Theo did not look lost tonight.   
4.   Need Markus to quit picking up two fouls with 9 minutes to go in the first half. 
5.  Cain and Elliot are getting better game by game.  It looks like their defense is making a difference..... and then you look up and MU has given up 81.
6.   Everybody contributed and MU got the win they had to have, if nothing else to delay the meltdown.   
7.   The middle school band holiday concert was everything you imagine. 
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: warriorchick on December 05, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
-Theo played really well tonight.
-great job by Wojo with rotations and coaching tonight. Sometimes it's OK to give the coach some credit.
-Hauser played really well, his 10-15 footer looks great!
-rowsey played exceptional I thought. He made good choices, great assists and great play (aside from the weird 3pt foul she committed)
-Jamal and Greg are looking pretty good. overall their Defense looks really good.
-PleasantlybSurprised by Heldt tonight!
And lastly Sacar is still slashing which is leading to a solid 2-to-4 fouls per game. I like it!

Really?
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: fjm on December 05, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
Really?

Oh holy crap! Haha I don't know what to say... um iPhone autocorrect? Or something! Sorry!
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: naginiF on December 05, 2017, 09:15:27 PM
One thing not mentioned is that Rowsey clearly got the message.  Obviously Wojo put the collar on him and instructed him to make assists/plays and not to shoot first. 

Good for Wojo, good for Rowsey. 

#sulking?

Edit:  Tower, the thread title should have been "Vermont Moosings"
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: warriorchick on December 05, 2017, 09:17:05 PM
Oh holy crap! Haha I don't know what to say... um iPhone autocorrect? Or something! Sorry!

LOL just giving you crap.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 05, 2017, 09:17:15 PM
Wojo got the team back.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: 21rooster on December 05, 2017, 09:30:06 PM
MU took the lead by going small for part of the second half, then the bigs made some nice plays near the end.  Nice to see Wojo recognize the matchup favored a smaller lineup for a stretch.  I’d say we need more of that, but I suppose it’s irrelevant after Saturday. 

It’s nice to have two guards and a forward that shoot free throws so well that the other team throws in the towel down 10 with a minute left. 

Was there something going on campus tonight?  I’ve seen more students at games over break.  Just a matter of not realizing this was a quality opponent? 
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
Catamount To Nothing ... dedicated to tower:

1. Superb coaching job by Wojo. Team was organized, shared the ball, Rowsey bought in, defensive intensity was good, good substitution pattern, coupla nice plays out of time outs. Not gonna praise him too much though - I mean, it's his job!

2. I really like it when Sam looks to post up. He is good at it and should do it more often! Solid game.

3. Nice job by Heldt on their top scorer. Lamb had a quickness advantage but Heldt used his height well. Also, Bardo made a good point on one of Heldt's moving screens - said that Markus needed to give Heldt time to set the screen.

4. Markus ... whew! Run him off the arc, and he's very tough in the lane. That's an NBA quality floater. While I agree it's unlikely that he would get drafted as a small, skinny kid who doesn't handle it like Curry does, it's still possible that peeps he trusts will tell him otherwise. Remember: A guy doesn't have to be ready to go pro, he just has to think he's ready (and get some bad advice). Having said that, I still think he stays all 4 years. Oh, and he STILL hasn't missed a FT! I'm sticking with NEVER in my poll!!

5. Rowsey was in control most of the night and was looking for teammates. He will have plenty of opportunities to score. I'm a Rowsey fan, but I gotta admit I never thought I'd see him get double-digit assists.

6. Cain and Elliott are going to be good Big East basketball players. Maybe even very good.

7. Anim impressed me tonight, especially on D.

8. Vermont is a good, well-coached team. Lost at Kentucky by 4, won a lower-level holiday tournament in the Bahamas, won at Yale and at Richmond. This was a quality victory over a legit NCAA tourney team in what was pretty much a must-win game. We would have beaten them by more but they had a reserve who had made only 5 threes all season go 6-for-6 tonight.

9. Time to get ready to beat the f%ck outta F%ucky!

10. Fire Brey!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: chapman on December 05, 2017, 09:35:38 PM
Got a glimpse of Theo and it wasn't half bad.  He needs to keep himself on the floor long enough for more.

Elliott had a freshman game.  That's ok.

Cain struggled somewhat, more so defensively.  But he keeps his head in the game and hustles.  Got to like that.

I don't mind this Rowsey.  10 assists and 1 turnover.  Looks like Wojo told him he needed to play defense as well...still wasn't too good but he picked up the fouls trying.  At least the intent was good.  Hope he's learned enough to be back starting Saturday.

When the defense was there, we extended the lead.  Hopefully it can be there more often.

Markus Howard is an above average basketball player.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: wadesworld on December 05, 2017, 09:45:16 PM
Thought this was the best game we've played all year.  Vermont is good.  Thought the defense was solid for the most part, not a lot of teams are disciplined enough to keep working the ball around offensively late in the shot clock for the open look, but Vermont did and even when we rotated well they made the extra pass and hit some shots.

Rowsey with a great bounce back game.  Hauser stuffing the stat sheet.  Howard scoring at will.  And everybody else made positive contributions.  The big 3 played very well, but it was a total team effort.  There is hope.  Let's see what Harry can give us in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2017, 09:49:19 PM
Thought this was the best game we've played all year.

Totally agree. Vermont is not a cupcake, and they shot lights out tonight. We were focused almost all night long. A portent of great things to come, I hope! Down goes F%ucky!!!!
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 05, 2017, 10:07:54 PM
Couldn't ask for better offense. Love that the freshmen already look to make the extra pass.

First half I think they were 4/11 from inside the arc. Great to see. They went 11/19 inside the arc in the second, less good.

Worst job we've done covering the three all season, but that Smith kid was en fuego.

I keep seeing flashes from Cain. When/if he puts all together he's going to be very special.

This game reminded me that that there is a big difference in the physicality of high major and low major players. Vermont is more disciplined, more experienced, and plays way smarter than Georgia ever will. Imagine what they could do if their players had the athleticism of Georgia's players.

All in all, solid win, but nothing really to brag about. So far this season we have lost the games we should and won 6/7 of the games we should. Win at Wisconsin and the ledger is back to even.

F#ck the Badgers
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: geagles10 on December 05, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
I think Howard will be here all 4.
I flew to Maui sitting behind Howard's parents, and while we are talking they made it very clear he would be staying all 4 years.  They made it seem like I was crazy for asking haha.  Super nice parents. 
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Newsdreams on December 05, 2017, 10:10:23 PM
Wojo got the team back.
Yep silly of me  :P
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: SaveOD238 on December 05, 2017, 10:13:16 PM
I flew to Maui sitting behind Howard's parents, and while we are talking they made it very clear he would be staying all 4 years.  They made it seem like I was crazy for asking haha.  Super nice parents.

I thought I had heard that the Howard family is very academics focused, which makes sense given what you heard from them.  I would be shocked to see Howard go anywhere.  I think the Markus-Sam combo are both on a 4-year plan.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 05, 2017, 10:17:19 PM
I flew to Maui sitting behind Howard's parents, and while we are talking they made it very clear he would be staying all 4 years.  They made it seem like I was crazy for asking haha.  Super nice parents.

I was sitting the row in front of Howard's parents, I was the younger guy in the polo who probably stood up too often.

The Howards are grade A people and Markus seems like a perfect mix of both of them. Dad was calmly stating everything Markus needed to do to succeed while he played and his mom was cheering her heart out. Both are just the nicest people, talked with them a little bit each game.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on December 05, 2017, 10:18:26 PM
MU took the lead by going small for part of the second half, then the bigs made some nice plays near the end.  Nice to see Wojo recognize the matchup favored a smaller lineup for a stretch.  I’d say we need more of that, but I suppose it’s irrelevant after Saturday. 

I think there were more students at Western Civ class today than the game tonight.... terrible showing
It’s nice to have two guards and a forward that shoot free throws so well that the other team throws in the towel down 10 with a minute left. 

Was there something going on campus tonight?  I’ve seen more students at games over break.  Just a matter of not realizing this was a quality opponent?
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: MUDPT on December 05, 2017, 10:24:03 PM
When we went small, we switched on about every high PNR.  It's good to see something different defensively. What to do about Happ on Saturday though?
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 05, 2017, 10:26:51 PM
When we went small, we switched on about every high PNR.  It's good to see something different defensively. What to do about Happ on Saturday though?

Brutalize their guards
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: StillWarriors on December 05, 2017, 10:28:39 PM
Marquette wins over a solid Vermont squad.

Rowsey bounced back well.

Markus with (another) career night.

Sam needs to pick it up. Not that he's playing poorly. I just want him to make more of an impact

Sam played great. Hit huge shots.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: 94Warrior on December 05, 2017, 10:37:58 PM
Grade school orchestra is worse.

Duuuude...
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: geagles10 on December 05, 2017, 10:38:33 PM
I was sitting the row in front of Howard's parents, I was the younger guy in the polo who probably stood up too often.

The Howards are grade A people and Markus seems like a perfect mix of both of them. Dad was calmly stating everything Markus needed to do to succeed while he played and his mom was cheering her heart out. Both are just the nicest people, talked with them a little bit each game.

They were watching the replay of the xavier home game from last year on the flight
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: alexius23 on December 05, 2017, 10:48:05 PM
Theo has skills and in a year or so will really come into his own. Marcus continues to impress.If he was 6’5” maybe might leave at the end of this year but....Rebounding left a lot to be desired. All the time on the defensive end Vermont boxed them out
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: alexius23 on December 05, 2017, 10:49:55 PM
Oops....had no intention to post in red....sigh...
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: MUBigDance on December 05, 2017, 10:57:39 PM
Did we ever have a poll on Howard staying 2,3,4 yrs.

It seems his height plus poor handle will keep him here 4. But if he can get paid, I don’t begrudge leaving early.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: real chili 83 on December 06, 2017, 12:12:40 AM
kid was en fuego.

Texas and University?
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on December 06, 2017, 12:32:19 AM
Got a glimpse of Theo and it wasn't half bad.  He needs to keep himself on the floor long enough for more.

Elliott had a freshman game.  That's ok.

Cain struggled somewhat, more so defensively.  But he keeps his head in the game and hustles.  Got to like that.

I don't mind this Rowsey.  10 assists and 1 turnover.  Looks like Wojo told him he needed to play defense as well...still wasn't too good but he picked up the fouls trying.  At least the intent was good.  Hope he's learned enough to be back starting Saturday.

When the defense was there, we extended the lead.  Hopefully it can be there more often.

Markus Howard is an above average basketball player.
I have no idea what you saw and I was at mid court...they all played well. Every trip down is not going to be perfect. The other team competes too you know...
 
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on December 06, 2017, 12:36:42 AM
Catamount To Nothing ... dedicated to tower:

1. Superb coaching job by Wojo. Team was organized, shared the ball, Rowsey bought in, defensive intensity was good, good substitution pattern, coupla nice plays out of time outs. Not gonna praise him too much though - I mean, it's his job!

2. I really like it when Sam looks to post up. He is good at it and should do it more often! Solid game.

3. Nice job by Heldt on their top scorer. Lamb had a quickness advantage but Heldt used his height well. Also, Bardo made a good point on one of Heldt's moving screens - said that Markus needed to give Heldt time to set the screen.

4. Markus ... whew! Run him off the arc, and he's very tough in the lane. That's an NBA quality floater. While I agree it's unlikely that he would get drafted as a small, skinny kid who doesn't handle it like Curry does, it's still possible that peeps he trusts will tell him otherwise. Remember: A guy doesn't have to be ready to go pro, he just has to think he's ready (and get some bad advice). Having said that, I still think he stays all 4 years. Oh, and he STILL hasn't missed a FT! I'm sticking with NEVER in my poll!!

5. Rowsey was in control most of the night and was looking for teammates. He will have plenty of opportunities to score. I'm a Rowsey fan, but I gotta admit I never thought I'd see him get double-digit assists.

6. Cain and Elliott are going to be good Big East basketball players. Maybe even very good.

7. Anim impressed me tonight, especially on D.

8. Vermont is a good, well-coached team. Lost at Kentucky by 4, won a lower-level holiday tournament in the Bahamas, won at Yale and at Richmond. This was a quality victory over a legit NCAA tourney team in what was pretty much a must-win game. We would have beaten them by more but they had a reserve who had made only 5 threes all season go 6-for-6 tonight.

9. Time to get ready to beat the f%ck outta F%ucky!

10. Fire Brey!!!!!!!!!
I have to take exception to your #5 point here:


#5. No he wasn't looking for his teammates and under control all night. Not even most of the night. Especially in the post!!!

I was sitting with Theo John's dad and we both said why doesn't this guy make a darn entry pass and get some paint touches with Heldt and John every trip down dare near!

He did not call them up to set the screen and did not wait for them when he did. On several occasions, John and Matt worked their tail off to get a decent position and he looked right at them and did not throw down to them who both could have given Vermont a different look.   

The screen and roll and pick and roll game was there for him all night long and they could have run some action off of that with Hauser and Howard spotting up all night long...in the half court, but he didn't.

He was average up close at best.

Also, the Vermont coach did not use his players right. They shot ok from 3pt range so he stick with but could have beat MU up down low...glad he did not.

MAJOR PET PEEVE:
 
Also Vermont, next time one of your players is down on the floor in pain and the ball is going the other way, you foul and get back down and pick him up! Get your trainer's ass out on the floor and look after the young man and see if he is ok.

It took those idiots 40 seconds to actually attend to #2 as I sat there and watch it with Theo's dad and we both said to ourselves, "why in the world don't they go and check on the guy!?" Not one player walked over and the coach did not even look over there to see if he was ok. I don't like them from now just because of that.

If that was my kid who fell like that and went unattended that long in front of his teammates and all those people, we'd have a problem... I would not be happy. Just some extra musings and rants that perturbed me. Carry on...     
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: warriorchick on December 06, 2017, 07:15:40 AM
Oops....had no intention to post in red....sigh...

You can use the "modify" function to fix it.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on December 06, 2017, 07:46:44 AM
I have to take exception to your #5 point here:


#5. No he wasn't looking for his teammates and under control all night. Not even most of the night. Especially in the post!!!

I was sitting with Theo John's dad and we both said why doesn't this guy make a darn entry pass and get some paint touches with Heldt and John every trip down dare near!

He did not call them up to set the screen and did not wait for them when he did. On several occasions, John and Matt worked their tail off to get a decent position and he looked right at them and did not throw down to them who both could have given Vermont a different look.   

The screen and roll and pick and roll game was there for him all night long and they could have run some action off of that with Hauser and Howard spotting up all night long...in the half court, but he didn't.

He was average up close at best.


 
 
I disagree.  We were courtside, (so also got an up close look) and remarked to each other several times that Rowsey was clearly in an assist mode.  Each time he drove the lane and I thought he was going to shoot, he kicked it out to the corner or dished inside.  After doing that for a while, his shot opened up.  That was the most I've seen him look like a point guard in a Warrior uni.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: brewcity77 on December 06, 2017, 08:00:02 AM
#5. No he wasn't looking for his teammates and under control all night. Not even most of the night. Especially in the post!!!

I was sitting with Theo John's dad and we both said why doesn't this guy make a darn entry pass and get some paint touches with Heldt and John every trip down dare near!

Two things...first you don't get 10 assists to 1 turnover unless you are looking for teammates and playing under control. Honest question, who was the last guy to have a 10:1 or better A/T ratio in a game for Marquette in a game where said player had double digit assists?

Second, sitting with Theo John's dad may have biased your opinion. Of course he wants his son to get the ball. That's the nature of being a parent. But while there might have been individual plays Rowsey could've done better on, his overall game was all around solid.

Finally, let's not forget that Theo John tied career highs in both points (6) and made field goals (3/3) last night, and all three baskets were assisted by Andrew Rowsey. So any complaints from the John family about Rowsey's play last night when Rowsey's distribution literally accounted for every point Theo scored might be a bit unfounded.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: mug644 on December 06, 2017, 08:34:42 AM
The thing I liked the most was MU's resilience. They couldn't really put the game away, and Vermont was often able to cut a 8 point or so lead down to a one possession game. But MU responded each time and didn't fold.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 06, 2017, 08:52:09 AM
The thing with Vermont's trainer was weird. I commented on it to Mrs. TAMU and her response was classic "Maybe, the trainer was in the sh*tter"
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: warriorchick on December 06, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
The thing with Vermont's trainer was weird. I commented on it to Mrs. TAMU and her response was classic "Maybe, the trainer was in the sh*tter"

Classy broad you married there!

But seriously, I was wondering if everyone on the UV team hated that guy or something.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: wadesworld on December 06, 2017, 08:53:45 AM
I thought it was weird too so I was looking at their bench and it looked like their trainer was looking at his watch.  Could it have been something like, "He has 30 seconds to work it out on his own but since we stopped the game and it's a longer break he has to come out now" and at that point the trainer then comes out?  Only thing I could think of.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: skianth16 on December 06, 2017, 08:59:46 AM
Also Vermont, next time one of your players is down on the floor in pain and the ball is going the other way, you foul and get back down and pick him up! Get your trainer's ass out on the floor and look after the young man and see if he is ok.

It took those idiots 40 seconds to actually attend to #2 as I sat there and watch it with Theo's dad and we both said to ourselves, "why in the world don't they go and check on the guy!?" Not one player walked over and the coach did not even look over there to see if he was ok. I don't like them from now just because of that.

Our group was all thinking the same thing. When a guy is down, there should always be trainers, coaches, players, etc hustling over to check on him. The only thing I could think of was that maybe there is a rule about a player's ability to re-enter the game if he's been attended to by a coach or trainer. Does anyone know if there is such a rule in college basketball?
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: GGGG on December 06, 2017, 09:07:52 AM
BTW, I didn't realize that Vermont had a local kid on the team.  Cam Ward from Marshall who is a senior.  My guess is that Vermont was looking to schedule a game either here or in Madison for his sake.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: warriorchick on December 06, 2017, 09:18:57 AM
BTW, I didn't realize that Vermont had a local kid on the team.  Cam Ward from Marshall who is a senior.  My guess is that Vermont was looking to schedule a game either here or in Madison for his sake.

That explains the unexpectedly decent number of Vermont fans that were at the game.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: BM1090 on December 06, 2017, 09:22:10 AM
That explains the unexpectedly decent number of Vermont fans that were at the game.

Yeah I was in 211 towards the top and the entire mini-section below us was full of Vermont fans. Many more than I thought.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: SaveOD238 on December 06, 2017, 09:23:12 AM
Classy broad you married there!

If you'd met Mrs. TAMU's dad, you'd understand.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 06, 2017, 09:30:54 AM


This game reminded me that that there is a big difference in the physicality of high major and low major players. Vermont is more disciplined, more experienced, and plays way smarter than Georgia ever will. Imagine what they could do if their players had the athleticism of Georgia's players.



Agree 100%. Last night showed how good we can look when we're not overwhelmed physically or athletically.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 06, 2017, 09:45:30 AM
Classy broad you married there!

But seriously, I was wondering if everyone on the UV team hated that guy or something.

She is my Long Island Italian bride and wouldn't want it any other way
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 06, 2017, 10:20:33 AM
She is my Long Island Italian bride and wouldn't want it any other way

Long Island Italian Bride sounds like a reality show.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2017, 10:29:25 AM
Sacar plus freshmen really starting to get the feel of the college game.  Really played well tonight.

Sacar has surprised me with his athleticism.

The two freshmen have shown a lot of basketball skills for Wojo to work with - plus they have length and give great effort on defense.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2017, 10:41:54 AM
I have to take exception to your #5 point here:


#5. No he wasn't looking for his teammates and under control all night. Not even most of the night. Especially in the post!!!

I was sitting with Theo John's dad and we both said why doesn't this guy make a darn entry pass and get some paint touches with Heldt and John every trip down dare near!

He did not call them up to set the screen and did not wait for them when he did. On several occasions, John and Matt worked their tail off to get a decent position and he looked right at them and did not throw down to them who both could have given Vermont a different look.   

The screen and roll and pick and roll game was there for him all night long and they could have run some action off of that with Hauser and Howard spotting up all night long...in the half court, but he didn't.

He was average up close at best.

Also, the Vermont coach did not use his players right. They shot ok from 3pt range so he stick with but could have beat MU up down low...glad he did not.

MAJOR PET PEEVE:
 
Also Vermont, next time one of your players is down on the floor in pain and the ball is going the other way, you foul and get back down and pick him up! Get your trainer's ass out on the floor and look after the young man and see if he is ok.

It took those idiots 40 seconds to actually attend to #2 as I sat there and watch it with Theo's dad and we both said to ourselves, "why in the world don't they go and check on the guy!?" Not one player walked over and the coach did not even look over there to see if he was ok. I don't like them from now just because of that.

If that was my kid who fell like that and went unattended that long in front of his teammates and all those people, we'd have a problem... I would not be happy. Just some extra musings and rants that perturbed me. Carry on...     

Well, I take exception to you taking exception to my No. 5. Other Scoopers have responded already, and I agree with them, so I won't be repetitive here. Rowsey, by and large, played a good, team-oriented floor game.

As for the way the Vermont folks let that kid just lay there ... I absolutely agree. That was shameful.

Of course, as a Warrior, I was more pissed off that, playing 5-on-4, we took a stupid, rushed 3-pointer from the deep corner (wasn't even Markus, Andrew or Sam) rather than work the ball for a layup or a wide-open 3 from one of our shooters.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: robmufan on December 06, 2017, 10:47:34 AM
I sit all the way up in section 413 and have a solid view of the jumbotron during the game, so a little different perspective than most. Some of you are right, some of you are wrong...

I will say I thought Rowsey was just fine yesterday.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: CTWarrior on December 06, 2017, 10:49:10 AM
Of course, as a Warrior, I was more pissed off that, playing 5-on-4, we took a stupid, rushed 3-pointer from the deep corner (wasn't even Markus, Andrew or Sam) rather than work the ball for a layup or a wide-open 3 from one of our shooters.

I was embarrassed to admit it, but that was my first thought when it happened, though I did not realize it was a head injury. 

It was one thing that the kid was forced to lay there alone while we tried to score.  But why the trainer wasn't right on the kid when the whistle blew was quite strange.  I find soccer very difficult to watch, but I do like the tradition of kicking the ball out of bounds so that an injured player can get treatment and then the other team reciprocating when play resumes.  (Of course in soccer they weren't going to score anyway, so you're not giving away anything).
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: MUBBau on December 06, 2017, 10:53:05 AM
I sit all the way up in section 413 and have a solid view of the jumbotron during the game, so a little different perspective than most. Some of you are right, some of you are wrong...


Do you sit next to these guys?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mst3k/images/2/27/MST3k_Cheap_Seats.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121107221205)
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: warriorchick on December 06, 2017, 11:10:58 AM
I think it already is

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Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: 🏀 on December 06, 2017, 11:22:25 AM
Do you sit next to these guys?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mst3k/images/2/27/MST3k_Cheap_Seats.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121107221205)

Don't you sit up there, too?
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: wadesworld on December 06, 2017, 11:44:48 AM
I thought this was Rowsey's best game of the year (though I did miss seeing most/any of some of the most sugary cupcake games so far).
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: jsglow on December 06, 2017, 11:48:06 AM
I thought this was Rowsey's best game of the year (though I did miss seeing most/any of some of the most sugary cupcake games so far).

It was.  And I've seen every minute of MU hoops all the way back to the private practice.  Had he played that way on Saturday.......

Oh well.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: warriorchick on December 06, 2017, 11:53:40 AM
It was.  And I've seen every minute of MU hoops all the way back to the private practice.  Had he played that way on Saturday.......

Oh well.

I am going to put a positive spin on things and say that maybe it took a crappy performance like the one he had on Saturday to make him realize that he had to step up.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Goose on December 06, 2017, 11:56:38 AM
Rowsey had his best game yesterday and made a point to think pass first. Hat's off to the kid.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: cheebs09 on December 06, 2017, 12:02:17 PM
Don't you sit up there, too?

It’s where all the cool kids sit.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: Rudy on December 06, 2017, 12:05:16 PM

Sam needs to pick it up. Not that he's playing poorly. I just want him to make more of an impact

Was that supposed to be teal? He had a fantastic game. Very good defense, rebounding, key shots and key rebounds.
Title: Re: Vermont musings
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 06, 2017, 12:40:44 PM
Was that supposed to be teal? He had a fantastic game. Very good defense, rebounding, key shots and key rebounds.

San was great, but a little more aggression from him on the offensive side wouldn’t hurt. Not specifically the Vermont game but just in general.