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MUScoop => The Superbar => COVID-19 => Topic started by: jesmu84 on April 18, 2020, 10:27:26 AM
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanguina/2020/04/18/proposed-2000-monthly-stimulus-checks-and-canceled-rent-and-mortgage-payments-for-1-year/#150614a32b48
1 or both of these ideas should have been in the first round.
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Yowza. My head hurts on how much that would cost for a year. I wonder if they need to move down the means test (less people being eligible). That is a lot of $$$.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanguina/2020/04/18/proposed-2000-monthly-stimulus-checks-and-canceled-rent-and-mortgage-payments-for-1-year/#150614a32b48
1 or both of these ideas should have been in the first round.
Confused a bit by the rent/mortgage aspect. For mortgage, would your principal be paid down?
If not, I see complaints, because you essentially get to live for free if you are renting, but just get delayed payments if you own. I bet a bunch of people would not be ok with that.
The UBI proposal seems like it would be more likely to be supported. But think the GOP would have a hard time with it, because of the precedent it would create.
Agree though that things like this should have been in the first one.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanguina/2020/04/18/proposed-2000-monthly-stimulus-checks-and-canceled-rent-and-mortgage-payments-for-1-year/#150614a32b48
1 or both of these ideas should have been in the first round.
Outrageous! Why do only the poors get $? Just bc I’m middle class means the dimes on me! Ugh
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Priority 1, 2 and 3 should be to make filing for unemployment easier and to further extend those benefits. Then target those with reductions but who are still on payroll.
Also need a fresh round of small business loans and protections with (gasp) legitimate quality gates and oversight
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Spend the money on testing getting a vaccine and this won't be necessary.
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Spend the money on testing getting a vaccine and this won't be necessary.
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Investing in hospital/overflow capacity, testing, and PPE supply chain should be the priority. That's the path to opening things back up. People will get sick, but if we can keep our hospitals from overflowing we will better be able to get through this thing.
Until we have those three things, stay-at-home measures and federal stimulus money are going to keep people alive + fed and keep them from rioting.
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Outrageous! Why do only the poors get $? Just bc I’m middle class means the dimes on me! Ugh
I know you're just trolling, but if you don't qualify for the money, you are decidedly not middle class.
I would argue that you lack class though.
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I know you're just trolling, but if you don't qualify for the money, you are decidedly not middle class.
I would argue that you lack class though.
Like his hero, JB wants to make sure this is about himself.
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Outrageous! Why do only the poors get $? Just bc I’m middle class means the dimes on me! Ugh
Thought you already had 2 years worth of Spaghetti-O's and Pampers stored up?
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Thought you already had 2 years worth of Spaghetti-O's and Pampers stored up?
I’ll be fine; it’s the principle of it.
#ForgottenOne
#OnOurOwn
#TwoNations
#LastDays
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Priority 1, 2 and 3 should be to make filing for unemployment easier and to further extend those benefits. Then target those with reductions but who are still on payroll.
Also need a fresh round of small business loans and protections with (gasp) legitimate quality gates and oversight
I agree with this. Unemployment and SBA financial backing are the key. As well as funding testing. Anything that basically puts people on government handout payroll until this is over sets a terrible precedent.
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I agree with this. Unemployment and SBA financial backing are the key. As well as funding testing. Anything that basically puts people on government handout payroll until this is over sets a terrible precedent.
I can’t see anything getting passed soon.
Ds will demand money for unemployment and small businesses, and lockdown oversight. Rs will demand money and tax breaks for the wealthiest and to remove oversight. I’ve simplified it but those are the basics.
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I agree with this. Unemployment and SBA financial backing are the key. As well as funding testing. Anything that basically puts people on government handout payroll until this is over sets a terrible precedent.
Less about handouts in my mind so much as not putting money in the hands of people like me, Jaybee, etc that don't need it.
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I don't need the money, either. Spend the money on the science, the testing, the supplies, the small businesses, the unemployed, and those poor, essential, minimum wage shelf stockers and cashiers.
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I don't need the money, either. Spend the money on the science, the testing, the supplies, the small businesses, the unemployed, and those poor, essential, minimum wage shelf stockers and cashiers.
Food pantries. When I told my wife that we got the money, the first thing she said was “we’re not keeping it, right?”
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This is an absolutely horrible idea brought forth from some of the original idiots on the left. Let's mortgage the entire future for a quick fix now. WTF, why would anyone want to work? The soundest and quickest way to restore the economy is to get people working again, not to make them totally dependent on Uncle Sugar. Unless, of course, Socialism and total dependence on government is what you are looking for as an easy way out.
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Food pantries. When I told my wife that we got the money, the first thing she said was “we’re not keeping it, right?”
Did you remind her that you haven’t worked in years?
I do think there are a lot of people who don’t NEED the money (now, at least) who are receiving it... but I do recognize there’s not a great way to differentiate when you’re dealing with the situation at hand.
Ahhh well
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This is an absolutely horrible idea brought forth from some of the original idiots on the left. Let's mortgage the entire future for a quick fix now. WTF, why would anyone want to work? The soundest and quickest way to restore the economy is to get people working again, not to make them totally dependent on Uncle Sugar. Unless, of course, Socialism and total dependence on government is what you are looking for as an easy way out.
During the 21st century, mortgaging the future has never proven to be an issue to whomever is in charge at the time.
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This is an absolutely horrible idea brought forth from some of the original idiots on the left. Let's mortgage the entire future for a quick fix now. WTF, why would anyone want to work? The soundest and quickest way to restore the economy is to get people working again, not to make them totally dependent on Uncle Sugar. Unless, of course, Socialism and total dependence on government is what you are looking for as an easy way out.
Worthless canard from the crotchety, socialism fearing, conspiracy loving right. It has become pretty obvious over the last month that the overwhelming number of people WANT to work. It is their normal
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This is an absolutely horrible idea brought forth from some of the original idiots on the left. Let's mortgage the entire future for a quick fix now. WTF, why would anyone want to work? The soundest and quickest way to restore the economy is to get people working again, not to make them totally dependent on Uncle Sugar. Unless, of course, Socialism and total dependence on government is what you are looking for as an easy way out.
1. It's very clear that people *want* to work. But can't. Because they lost their job.
2. I'm sure you were equally concerned about "mortgaging the future" when tax cuts were approved.
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The shotgun blast nature of this has been so frustrating. IMHO the three prong approach should have directed funding to (1) keep all payrolls at the prior 12 mo averages for all employees making under $100k, (2) support all states to make it easier to get unemployment and boost those benefits for people who are laid off or furloughed despite the substantial covering of payrolls and (3) testing and medical point of care expansion to actually beat the damn virus.
Help offset the costs (remember when that mattered? how quaint) with a one time, significant rate hike on the corporate income tax rate, pass through income for high earners, capital gains and dividends. None of the policy rationales for those rates being low apply in the middle of a pandemic if the government is covering payrolls. Its like a massive version of when we bailed out the banks - you'll take this money and like it, because it means you can go back to making money when this passes.
Of course would never happen, because there's unacceptable things there for both parties (too many benefits going to business vs individuals for dems, tax hike for gop). But all this value projecting about the rent being too damn high, and trading off who gets what has lead to an underfunded nonsense patchwork that isn't doing enough to matter.
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The shotgun blast nature of this has been so frustrating. IMHO the three prong approach should have directed funding to (1) keep all payrolls at the prior 12 mo averages for all employees making under $100k, (2) support all states to make it easier to get unemployment and boost those benefits for people who are laid off or furloughed despite the substantial covering of payrolls and (3) testing and medical point of care expansion to actually beat the damn virus.
Help offset the costs (remember when that mattered? how quaint) with a one time, significant rate hike on the corporate income tax rate, pass through income for high earners, capital gains and dividends. None of the policy rationales for those rates being low apply in the middle of a pandemic if the government is covering payrolls. Its like a massive version of when we bailed out the banks - you'll take this money and like it, because it means you can go back to making money when this passes.
Of course would never happen, because there's unacceptable things there for both parties (too many benefits going to business vs individuals for dems, tax hike for gop). But all this value projecting about the rent being too damn high, and trading off who gets what has lead to an underfunded nonsense patchwork that isn't doing enough to matter.
Yes. This is a very good summary of the problem.
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And a number of good ideas that score no political points.
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Less about handouts in my mind so much as not putting money in the hands of people like me, Jaybee, etc that don't need it.
I've seen stories that people who don't "need" their stimulus money are spending it, donating it or just straight up giving the cash to someone who does need it.
That is always an option. Especially in a situation where the money needs to come out quickly, I'd rather everyone get it and then go from there.
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This is an absolutely horrible idea brought forth from some of the original idiots on the left. Let's mortgage the entire future for a quick fix now. WTF, why would anyone want to work? The soundest and quickest way to restore the economy is to get people working again, not to make them totally dependent on Uncle Sugar. Unless, of course, Socialism and total dependence on government is what you are looking for as an easy way out.
1. I think you're intelligent.
But you either don't know what this word means and therefore are using it incorrectly or you are intentionally saying the wrong thing.
2. All of the proposed stimulus measures are short-term. So, ya, people are gonna have to go back to work whether they want to or not.
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The shotgun blast nature of this has been so frustrating. IMHO the three prong approach should have directed funding to (1) keep all payrolls at the prior 12 mo averages for all employees making under $100k, (2) support all states to make it easier to get unemployment and boost those benefits for people who are laid off or furloughed despite the substantial covering of payrolls and (3) testing and medical point of care expansion to actually beat the damn virus.
Help offset the costs (remember when that mattered? how quaint) with a one time, significant rate hike on the corporate income tax rate, pass through income for high earners, capital gains and dividends. None of the policy rationales for those rates being low apply in the middle of a pandemic if the government is covering payrolls. Its like a massive version of when we bailed out the banks - you'll take this money and like it, because it means you can go back to making money when this passes.
Of course would never happen, because there's unacceptable things there for both parties (too many benefits going to business vs individuals for dems, tax hike for gop). But all this value projecting about the rent being too damn high, and trading off who gets what has lead to an underfunded nonsense patchwork that isn't doing enough to matter.
Regarding the bolded. The stimulus plan actually granted pass through entities close to $100B in additional tax breaks. Phase 4 wants to expand those cuts, and add more cuts to capital gains and dividends, along with other tax breaks earmarked for the rich.
That is one of the reasons individuals want to hold state funding and hospital funding for phase 4, so they can ram through massive tax breaks for the 1%.
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I've seen stories that people who don't "need" their stimulus money are spending it, donating it or just straight up giving the cash to someone who does need it.
That is always an option. Especially in a situation where the money needs to come out quickly, I'd rather everyone get it and then go from there.
Charity has long been an often used action. Doesn’t take govt handouts to cause it.
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Regarding the bolded. The stimulus plan actually granted pass through entities close to $100B in additional tax breaks. Phase 4 wants to expand those cuts, and add more cuts to capital gains and dividends, along with other tax breaks earmarked for the rich.
That is one of the reasons individuals want to hold state funding and hospital funding for phase 4, so they can ram through massive tax breaks for the 1%.
Of course. I'm personally still waiting for the trickle down from the last tax cuts.
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Charity has long been an often used action. Doesn’t take govt handouts to cause it.
Libs dont do donations to charity. They believe that the government should take care of all social needs.
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Libs dont do donations to charity. They believe that the government should take care of all social needs.
C’mon Z.
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Charity has long been an often used action. Doesn’t take govt handouts to cause it.
That's not at all what I said or implied.
Look beyond your biases
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That's not at all what I said or implied.
What did you say? Better change dem words boi
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Did you remind her that you haven’t worked in years?
I do think there are a lot of people who don’t NEED the money (now, at least) who are receiving it... but I do recognize there’s not a great way to differentiate when you’re dealing with the situation at hand.
Ahhh well
Retired early several years back. I ain’t rich - we are about as middle class as possible. But we want for nothing. Other people aren’t as lucky as we are and food pantries are as busy as I have ever seen them. They can use the money.
I encourage others who are able, to contribute in which ever way you choose.
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Retired early several years back. I ain’t rich - we are about as middle class as possible. But we want for nothing. Other people aren’t as lucky as we are and food pantries are as busy as I have ever seen them. They can use the money.
I encourage others who are able, to contribute in which ever way you choose.
Not interested in sharing my history of charity & volunteerism other than to say (for MU82) that it has been perfect. It seems that you may get surprised that there are actually caring, giving INDIVIDUALS out there. Without getting undeserved checks from the govt (Re-distribution, ultimately).
I am curious, however, about your claim of being “as middle class as possible”... what does that mean? Please define. Also, curious why you “retired early”?
For me, I hope to retire early if I’m OK with not working and have the financial stability to do so.
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Not interested in sharing my history of charity & volunteerism other than to say (for MU82) that it has been perfect. It seems that you may get surprised that there are actually caring, giving INDIVIDUALS out there. Without getting undeserved checks from the govt (Re-distribution, ultimately).
I am curious, however, about your claim of being “as middle class as possible”... what does that mean? Please define. Also, curious why you “retired early”?
For me, I hope to retire early if I’m OK with not working and have the financial stability to do so.
TRIGGGGGGEEEEERRRREDDDDD
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Back on point. Get the science, testing, etc lined up and universal. Take care of the small businesses, the stockboys, the truck drivers, the Amazon, Fed Ex, UPS, USPS personnel. Take care of the nurses. Take care of the medical students being pressed into service for testing and treatment. Extend and enhance unemployment. Make it possible to reopen and have revenue in the pipeline to spend to speed up the recovery.
But most of all, have a freaking plan. For testing. For research. For the reopening.
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Back on point. Get the science, testing, etc lined up and universal. Take care of the small businesses, the stockboys, the truck drivers, the Amazon, Fed Ex, UPS, USPS personnel. Take care of the nurses. Take care of the medical students being pressed into service for testing and treatment. Extend and enhance unemployment. Make it possible to reopen and have revenue in the pipeline to spend to speed up the recovery.
But most of all, have a freaking plan. For testing. For research. For the reopening.
Yes, but I don’t see it happening.
Science doesn’t do well under the current administration. “Instinct” rules the day.
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Not interested in sharing my history of charity & volunteerism other than to say (for MU82) that it has been perfect. It seems that you may get surprised that there are actually caring, giving INDIVIDUALS out there. Without getting undeserved checks from the govt (Re-distribution, ultimately).
I am curious, however, about your claim of being “as middle class as possible”... what does that mean? Please define. Also, curious why you “retired early”?
For me, I hope to retire early if I’m OK with not working and have the financial stability to do so.
I'm not that concerned about what people "deserve," because that's a rabbit hole where no one will ever emerge from. I'm more concerned about what people need.
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The money needs to get directly to the people that need it.
Whether it is Ruth's Chris or Shake Shack getting small business loans, spoiler alert, they are not small businesses, or stock buy backs and dividends and executive bonuses, instead of paying employees salary and healthcare...like the Marriott example here...or Amazon not taking care of its workers despite a 1.2% tax rate on $13 billion in profits last year and a Bezos $24 billion net worth increase in a matter of recent weeks...and so it goes....the disconnect rolls on....
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/business/business-roundtable-coronavirus.html#click=https://t.co/NaaPymz6VT
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1. I think you're intelligent.
But you either don't know what this word means and therefore are using it incorrectly or you are intentionally saying the wrong thing.
2. All of the proposed stimulus measures are short-term. So, ya, people are gonna have to go back to work whether they want to or not.
Oh, you're right. I'll correct that to Marxist-Leninist.
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Oh, you're right. I'll correct that to Marxist-Leninist.
That's not accurate either.
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If not, I see complaints, because you essentially get to live for free if you are renting, but just get delayed payments if you own. I bet a bunch of people would not be ok with that.
Hold up now, I made the same argument about working while others got paychecks bigger then their normal ones while sitting at home.
All I got waa "lifes not fair bruh be glad your risking your life"
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I feel ya. Going out and risking my life every day only to be told in non-cataclysmic times that I am an overpaid underachiever who doesn't deserve a pension and am contributing to the bankrupting of America. You'll get used to it.
Lay out your principles for the next round of stimulus and reopening. I know that we do not have aligned viewpoints, but I am 100% interested in hearing how a thoughtful person with a different viewpoint wants to handle the stimulus and the re-opening. And BTW, your work should have been more appreciated all along.
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Hold up now, I made the same argument about working while others got paychecks bigger then their normal ones while sitting at home.
All I got waa "lifes not fair bruh be glad your risking your life"
1. I never said "lifes not fair bruh be glad your risking your life"
2. I didn't say I have a problem with some getting to live rent free. I said that would be the complaint by a significant number of people that may make that proposal politically untenable.
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Hold up now, I made the same argument about working while others got paychecks bigger then their normal ones while sitting at home.
All I got waa "lifes not fair bruh be glad your risking your life"
Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I don't think anyone is getting a bigger paycheck off unemployment compared to what they were getting while working.
As I understand it, people can earn up to $75k on unemployment to match what they were earning at their job. "Match" not "you will get $75k even if you were only making $50k at your job."
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Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I don't think anyone is getting a bigger paycheck off unemployment compared to what they were getting while working.
As I understand it, people can earn up to $75k on unemployment to match what they were earning at their job. "Match" not "you will get $75k even if you were only making $50k at your job."
I have employees that want to stay on unemployment because they get that and then $600 more... amounts to $22/hr. Can someone explain this? Why would my employees want to take the PPP money we applied for to keep them employed? Makes no financial sense for them.
I hope I did the math wrong, but I'm not sure I did.
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I have employees that want to stay on unemployment because they get that and then $600 more... amounts to $22/hr. Can someone explain this? Why would my employees want to take the PPP money we applied for to keep them employed? Makes no financial sense for them.
I hope I did the math wrong, but I'm not sure I did.
I found out about this through a younger family member. I think what you report is accurate.
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I have employees that want to stay on unemployment because they get that and then $600 more... amounts to $22/hr. Can someone explain this? Why would my employees want to take the PPP money we applied for to keep them employed? Makes no financial sense for them.
I hope I did the math wrong, but I'm not sure I did.
They would have had to been laid off or furloughed to get unemployment. Did you lay them off or furlough them? There's your answer.
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They would have had to been laid off or furloughed to get unemployment. Did you lay them off or furlough them? There's your answer.
Well, obviously. You don't just get to choose to be on unemployment. lol
They were furloughed. But you see the problem, right?
As their employer I'm put in an impossible situation. Either I say they have to come back at full time (even though they get to stay home) as a much reduced wage, or they remain on unemployment at $22/hr... And I have to tell them to come back because the PPP isn't free money. I have to use it and pay interest on it.
So I'm going to have a lot of pissed employees.
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Ziggy
I have kept all staff on board and full pay and benefits over this whole mess. I feel responsible as a business owner that sacrifice starts with ownership and I am going to continue until I cannot afford to any longer. I have not been paid in over two months and my personal savings are covering any shortfall we have in our monthly expenses.
This is a time that business owners make extreme sacrifice to help the people that are a big part of their business. One other thing, a pet peeve of mine is when people call my co workers “employees “. When I was a young kid I remember my Dad scolding me for saying “his employees” and stuck with me for nearly 50 years.
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Ziggy
I have kept all staff on board and full pay and benefits over this whole mess. I feel responsible as a business owner that sacrifice starts with ownership and I am going to continue until I cannot afford to any longer. I have not been paid in over two months and my personal savings are covering any shortfall we have in our monthly expenses.
This is a time that business owners make extreme sacrifice to help the people that are a big part of their business. One other thing, a pet peeve of mine is when people call my co workers “employees “. When I was a young kid I remember my Dad scolding me for saying “his employees” and stuck with me for nearly 50 years.
A horse by a different name. Congrats, you call them something that they aren't. I suggest you continue to show up once a month to congratulate yourself. Consider yourself the very small minority of small businesses that can afford to pay people months on end. And a lot of people would call you an idiot for not investing that money in your employees or your business. We haven't been paying ourselves either, but I don't need to announce that. Integrity is doing the right thing even when no one is looking.
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Hards
Why do you always attack? For the record, last time I posted on here was sending my prayers for your folks safe return home.
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Hards
Want to add, you might not like the lesson I learned from my Dad, but it still means something to me and I would appreciate you show some common respect for others.
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Hards
Why do you always attack? For the record, last time I posted on here was sending my prayers for your folks safe return home.
Because I'm not some simp that doesn't know when someone is attacking my character. Don't be coy, you knew precisely what you were implying with your post.
Additionally, the golden rule applies here, old man. I give respect to those who earn it, and you certainly haven't. Sending prayers to my family and then the garbage you just posted as a clear attack? Get real. You got some of it back with the kind words earlier, but they're not forever if you're going to pretend like you didn't just show up in this thread to poke the bear.
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Hards
I have not posted or responded to one your know if all posts over the past months. Why would I start tonight? You really should be banned from posting until you can respect people. You add nothing but poison on here.
I would appreciate if you refrained from calling me old man. I have asked politely many times. Stop it!
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Hards
I have not posted or responded to one your know if all posts over the past months. Why would I start tonight? You really should be banned from posting until you can respect people. You add nothing but poison on here.
I would appreciate if you refrained from calling me old man. I have asked politely many times. Stop it!
Yeah, I'm not an idiot. You're not as transparent as some around here, but do you really believe that your post right after mine wasn't a shot across my bow. Especially since it was your first post in these parts.
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Hards
Want to add, you might not like the lesson I learned from my Dad, but it still means something to me and I would appreciate you show some common respect for others.
Incredible disrespect and uncalled for hards
Thanks for the story goose-shows leadership, respect and the fact that you kept some powder dry is helping families soldier thru this. I think many on here need to hear stories such as yours. People take our country for granted and to see it unite once again is truly powerful.
Goose, the time we spent working with our dads, it’s times like these they were preparing us for in more ways than one. We may not have known it then, but looking back, invaluable. Realizing some are in worse shape than us is a very humbling thought. To be in a bad place and still be able to give thanks is a gift
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Hards
Zero attempt to show you up. This has been a topic of great discussion at my home and literally just concluded a conversation with my daughter on this.
Do me a favor, look at my posts and let me know when I have responded to any of your posts in 2020. Your attack on me was unwarranted and I am serious that you should be banned from this site for the way you talk to others.
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Yeah, I'm not an idiot. You're not as transparent as some around here, but do you really believe that your post right after mine wasn't a shot across my bow. Especially since it was your first post in these parts.
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Maybe, just maybe you weren’t an idiot before, but now it’s hard to deny. If you ever met or knew goose, nothing further from the truth
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Maybe, just maybe you weren’t an idiot before, but now it’s hard to deny. If you ever met or knew goose, nothing further from the truth
Calm down, Sir Galahad.
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Hards
Zero attempt to show you up. This has been a topic of great discussion at my home and literally just concluded a conversation with my daughter on this.
Do me a favor, look at my posts and let me know when I have responded to any of your posts in 2020. Your attack on me was unwarranted and I am serious that you should be banned from this site for the way you talk to others.
Sorry, I don't believe in the coincidences you're trying to push. Be a better man, and apologize.
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Sorry, I don't believe in the coincidences you're trying to push. Be a better man, and apologize.
Stop digging. You're making yourself look like a bigger as$hole with every post.
Maybe ask for some advise instead of being a know it all in an empty suit. No wonder your grunts dont want to come back to work for you.
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Stop digging. You're making yourself look like a bigger as$hole with every post.
Maybe ask for some advise instead of being a know it all in an empty suit. No wonder your grunts dont want to come back to work for you.
Zigs, I came to this thread asking questions and then was attacked. I'm going to stand up for myself when that happens. And you and the meat boys can go stroke each other's egos or make me out to be the bad guy if you want.
And for the record, my employees love me, but they can do simple math.
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Steve Novak is a very smart man, aina?
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Hards
I will ask again, when was the last time this “meat boy” post or respond to any of your posts? If memory serves me we had similar views on COVID in late Jan and only time we interacted in months. You are a rude, insecure man and should be off of this site.
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Hards
I will ask again, when was the last time this “meat boy” post or respond to any of your posts? If memory serves me we had similar views on COVID in late Jan and only time we interacted in months. You are a rude, insecure man and should be off of this site.
Lol okay. Good thing you're not a mod. Reread the posts in order and tell me you wouldn't have taken it personally. Pretty strange that all your bros showed up in short order to defend you.
But then when I think about it, its really not that strange.
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Zigs, I came to this thread asking questions and then was attacked. I'm going to stand up for myself when that happens. And you and the meat boys can go stroke each other's egos or make me out to be the bad guy if you want.
And for the record, my employees love me, but they can do simple math.
Simple solution then. Pay them more. Lower the wage gap. Share the wealth. Practice what your leftist beliefs really are.
I know you think you are the smartest person around, but you've proven on multiple levels that your are clueless in just the last 2 hours.
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Simple solution then. Pay them more. Lower the wage gap. Share the wealth. Practice what your leftist beliefs really are.
I know you think you are the smartest person around, but you've proven on multiple levels that your are clueless in just the last 2 hours.
Literally, the most humorous thing I've read so far, tonight.
I dont, nor have I claimed to be the smartest person around, but I know when I'm being dragged.
Being a Leftist doesn't mean I'm devoid of business sense. My employees are very fairly compensated for their work and all make more than a living wage. But thanks for your brilliant advice!
I came here with honest questions, but I guess that's what I get!
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This crew hasn’t answered questions from the beginning. Why would they do that now?
Passive aggressiveness and generational wealth is all they’ve got.
Disgustingly shallow. Generational wealth? I bought the practice from my dad outright and have been on my own for 20 years dude the wealth is the knowledge imparted from my dad that still works today. How many checks have you written out. How many families do you support?
Didn’t think so.
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Simple solution then. Pay them more. Lower the wage gap. Share the wealth. Practice what your leftist beliefs really are.
I know you think you are the smartest person around, but you've proven on multiple levels that your are clueless in just the last 2 hours.
What the hell, Ziggy? You told me I'm the smartest person around.
I'm starting to suspect your compliments are less than sincere.
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Disgustingly shallow. Generational wealth? I bought the practice from my dad outright and have been on my own for 20 years dude the wealth is the knowledge imparted from my dad that still works today. How many checks have you written out. How many families do you support?
Didn’t think so.
40 families. And he isn't wrong, that is the very definition of generational wealth.
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Disgustingly shallow. Generational wealth? I bought the practice from my dad outright and have been on my own for 20 years dude the wealth is the knowledge imparted from my dad that still works today. How many checks have you written out. How many families do you support?
Didn’t think so.
Born on third....
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What the hell, Ziggy? You told me I'm the smartest person around.
I'm starting to suspect your compliments are less than sincere.
He didn’t tell Hards he’s the smartest person around. He told Hards that Hards considers himself the smartest person around.
So your spot at the top is safe. Unless you are deducted points for poor reading comprehension.
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What the hell, Ziggy? You told me I'm the smartest person around.
I'm starting to suspect your compliments are less than sincere.
I must have been drunk. I think you're a no talent ass-clown.
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I must have been drunk. I think you're a no talent ass-clown.
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A horse by a different name. Congrats, you call them something that they aren't. I suggest you continue to show up once a month to congratulate yourself. Consider yourself the very small minority of small businesses that can afford to pay people months on end. And a lot of people would call you an idiot for not investing that money in your employees or your business. We haven't been paying ourselves either, but I don't need to announce that. Integrity is doing the right thing even when no one is looking.
Is it just ingrained in yo to attack all the time?
Mr Goose, what you are doing is brave and my sincerest hope that you and your family (work and nuclear) are rewarded in the end.
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Well, this seems to have gone well.
Hards & Goose both get credit for running businesses and trying to keep their peeps afloat.
The both get zero points for arguing with each other.
Everyone jumping to one or the others defense gets demerits.
I thank you all for posting and keeping our part of the world financially solvent.
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Is it just ingrained in yo to attack all the time?
Mr Goose, what you are doing is brave and my sincerest hope that you and your family (work and nuclear) are rewarded in the end.
Just playing defense here, Jamie.
Knew you wouldn't be able to stay away either.
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This crew hasn’t answered questions from the beginning. Why would they do that now?
Passive aggressiveness and generational wealth is all they’ve got.
Do we know the life stories of these people to illicit such a comment?
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Hards
Zero attempt to show you up.
Bull.
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This crew hasn’t answered questions from the beginning. Why would they do that now?
Passive aggressiveness and generational wealth is all they’ve got.
Yep.
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Uh huh, we all suffer from white guilt and are privileged white boys, aina?
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Archie
Please explain how I was showing up Hards in my post. Am I not allowed to share my experience on scoop? If my sharing how I have handled this crisis is showing someone up, then this world is more Fxxked up than I thought it was.
Is Warriorchick showing me up by mentioning her recent retirement and how she is navigating things? Of course she is not. She is sharing her fxxkin experience and I appreciate hearing from others.
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A lot of stress. A lot of frustration. A lot of anxiety. All boiling over here. In different times, I am sure Hards and Goose could sit down over a pint and solve a lot of problems.
As I mentioned elsewhere, scoop is ahead of the curve with a lot of these inevitable discussions and arguments.
The thing is, we all want the same thing. We all want a treatment, a vaccine, an accelerated timetable so we can get back to the work that we love. (Not me. They won't let me stop. Oy.). To the lives that we had made that are now f'd up beyond imagination.
Thoughts and prayers to all.
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Archie
Please explain how I was showing up Hards in my post. Am I not allowed to share my experience on scoop? If my sharing how I have handled this crisis is showing someone up, then this world is more Fxxked up than I thought it was.
Is Warriorchick showing me up by mentioning her recent retirement and how she is navigating things? Of course she is not. She is sharing her fxxkin experience and I appreciate hearing from others.
Seems like I'm not the only one who thought you were doing it.
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Tower
Life is crazy right now and so much uncertainty in the world. While I do not think I could offer Hards any advice because I have no idea what he does, I am pulling for him and every other small business out there. Sadly, like Hards mentioned, I very possibly am making idiotic decisions currently. I have no idea what today is going to look like business wise and definitely have zero idea how it might look in the weeks and months ahead.
To be honest, I probably am bit scared and definitely frustrated. I started living the COVID life starting the day Wuhan was shutdown because of my chosen line of work. It has been a hard two plus months and sadly there really is no one to talk to because this is filled with unknowns. I try not to worry my family, I try to help my staff and I try not to cry some days.
All I know, is I am going to try and figure things out and hope and plan for the best. Who knows, maybe Hards comment on my idiotic decisions may end up being great advice.
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Born on third....
No sh!t. Really thinks he hit a triple.
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A lot of stress. A lot of frustration. A lot of anxiety. All boiling over here. In different times, I am sure Hards and Goose could sit down over a pint and solve a lot of problems.
As I mentioned elsewhere, scoop is ahead of the curve with a lot of these inevitable discussions and arguments.
The thing is, we all want the same thing. We all want a treatment, a vaccine, an accelerated timetable so we can get back to the work that we love. (Not me. They won't let me stop. Oy.). To the lives that we had made that are now f'd up beyond imagination.
Thoughts and prayers to all.
I posted the article a few weeks ago.
The term is "moral fatique" when every decision you make feels like it is a life or death decision.
If I go grocery shopping am I going to get cornoavirus? If I go to the office am I going to get coronavirus? Am I going to get cornoavirus off this package I just received? It's mentally and physically draining and makes us all edgier.
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Goose, you are a good guy. Hards is a good guy. Most of the people here are mostly good most of the time. We are all frustrated and scared and anxious and burning out rapidly. Hang in there.
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Tower
Thank you. It would be nice to be recapping the Masters over this mess, but such is life. I am going to head up to Kohler on the next nice weekend day and walk the grounds at Blackwolf and Whistling. Thinking of heading to Erin Hills and walking there after work.
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I have employees that want to stay on unemployment because they get that and then $600 more... amounts to $22/hr. Can someone explain this? Why would my employees want to take the PPP money we applied for to keep them employed? Makes no financial sense for them.
I hope I did the math wrong, but I'm not sure I did.
Wow - if that’s really how it’s working, that is really messed up.
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Goose, I reserve the right to call you an idiot about something basketball related next season. ;D Should be a beautiful walk.
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Goose, you are a good guy. Hards is a good guy. Most of the people here are mostly good most of the time. We are all frustrated and scared and anxious and burning out rapidly. Hang in there.
+1
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Tower
You can join the long list of folks that think I am in idiot on MU ball. Actually looking forward to it.
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Goose, you are a good guy. Hards is a good guy. Most of the people here are mostly good most of the time. We are all frustrated and scared and anxious and burning out rapidly. Hang in there.
Thanks for writing this. Worth remembering.
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Goose, you are a good guy. Hards is a good guy. Most of the people here are mostly good most of the time. We are all frustrated and scared and anxious and burning out rapidly. Hang in there.
I discuss this with my students quite regularly. Remind them that it is ok to be frustrated/scared/anxious and to be burned out, and that it is normal, and if they need someone to chat with to let me know.
I also remind them that their friends, parents, and family members are thinking/feeling the same way, so if they have a little blow up, or get angry, to give them some space, and some leeway.
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This crew hasn’t answered questions from the beginning. Why would they do that now?
Passive aggressiveness and generational wealth is all they’ve got.
Born on third....
You know what, y'all are right.
I apologize specifically to Goose, rocket, etc. for these two statements. They were wrong and uncalled for. Born out of stress induced frustration, which isn't an excuse by any means. I should know better.
Outside of walking the dog, I have not been anywhere besides my house for almost two weeks. My wife needs a prescription picket up and I enthusiastically offered to do it for her just so I can go for a drive. I'm going to do that now.
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And now, to really run this point into the ground...
We all want the same thing. An effective treatment, a vaccine, testing. We all want our lives back. The disagreements are along the safety vs economy graph, when to reopen the economy, and whether the federal government's response has been adequate and timely.
But... We all want to get to the same place.
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But... We all want to get to the same place.
Speak for yourself - I'd like to be somewhere COMPLETELY different than all of you ;)
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Arby's!
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Just playing defense here, Jamie.
Knew you wouldn't be able to stay away either.
It is Michael if you wish to use my name.
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No sh!t. Really thinks he hit a triple.
Is this necessary without knowing anyone's background? The penis swinging contests here and who is deemed better by how many feet they walked with no shoes in the snow is fascinating.
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Is this necessary without knowing anyone's background? The penis swinging contests here and who is deemed better by how many feet they walked with no shoes in the snow is fascinating.
Gotta defend Boo Boo, huh Yogi?
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It is Michael if you wish to use my name.
Hey man, whatever floats your dinghy.
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You know what, y'all are right.
I apologize specifically to Goose, rocket, etc. for these two statements. They were wrong and uncalled for. Born out of stress induced frustration, which isn't an excuse by any means. I should know better.
Outside of walking the dog, I have not been anywhere besides my house for almost two weeks. My wife needs a prescription picket up and I enthusiastically offered to do it for her just so I can go for a drive. I'm going to do that now.
thanks for that fluff! 8-)