Kolek planning to go pro
Sultan - We know that the girl had a previous sexual relationship with the player, and began consensually. We know alcohol was involved. I don't understand why you take what you read in the Chicago Tribune/Journal Sentinel (girls story only) as Gospel. Have we ever heard the player's account of what happened? No - yet MU and the basketball program are getting put through the ringer in the press. Pardon me if I want to defend the team and university a little bit.On another note, you don't know any more than I do that what the girl alleges has any truth to it..yet you want to seemingly take her at her word....
Yet that doesn't stop you from making assumptions about her actions and her story. Wow...
Ners, I think you are mixing the two incidents. The one in February that was in the Chicago Tribune awhile ago they had a previous relationship and changed her mind during the act. Sultan, I don't know what you expect regarding speculation. It's a message board and that's what people do, a Marquette basketball message board no less. Not saying it is right to say some of the things that have been said about the girl, but it is just kind of the nature of the beast.
Lennys, you are certainly changing your tune. What I found pathetic is your judgement that she "likes her status of celebrity/victim." You seem to have dropped that line.As for your latest post, I don't know enough about rape to know whether or not the girl's situation was pausible or not.
You're correct, Cheebs. Ners is talking about the February incident. The University conducted an invetigation of the October incident just after it occured and concluded no sexual assault took place. The athletes were, however, judged to be guilty of sexual harassment. It's possible Sultan is also confusing the two incidents as he has been adamant that MU had made no judgement on whether a rape took place in October. They did make a judgement and that judgement was no.
Fair enough, but I don't know why you felt the need to go off on me.
What I find absolutely amazing about you is that you don't seem to know how to read.
Would not surprise me if some DePaul folks were behind this...trying to give MU a black eye as MU has been kicking their A$$ in hoops and recruiting for roughly 20 years now...
Most of the wild-a$$ speculation in this thread upsets me. This just made me laugh. I trust this was not intended seriously?
Just floated it as a potential reason for an article to come out FRONT PAGE on the Chicago Tribune about an incident that happened 1 YEAR AGO. What's the motive - and is such a story truly front page worthy on the Chicago Tribune?? ..
Just floated it as a potential reason for an article to come out FRONT PAGE on the Chicago Tribune about an incident that happened 1 YEAR AGO. What's the motive - and is such a story truly front page worthy on the Chicago Tribune?? Perhaps it is just journalists trying to gain some measure of fame, acclaim, etc - but it sure seems peculiar to me for this story to hit 1 year after it occurred.On another note, I don't believe these types of articles hurt MU's recruiting, but there are some who feel it does - and perhaps there are a some people in the DePaul/Chicago community who think it might hurt MU's reputation within Chicago/recruiting. We have posters on this board who think this stuff hurts MU's recruiting...so it is not a stretch to think some idiots in the DePaul/Chicago community might think so as well...
Well, you're either calling "pathetic" or doing the "wow..." thing or typing BIG LETTERS or insulting me generally. Since you're channeling your inner Chicos why not throw in a "sigh" for good measure.I'm assuming you read the article in today's Chicago Tribune. Her own story (no assumptions on my part) is that she was raped in one of the bedrooms at a party. After the rape, she says she left the room, had a couple of drinks and danced with another guy and then went into another bedroom with three guys where she was again assaulted. Now, one more time, I don't know what happened in that dorm room. But since her story is on the record I don't think it's unfair to judge it as plausible or not. I can't imagine anyone acting like that after a rape. Evidently you can. I guess that makes me pathetic.
Sultan, I don't know what you expect regarding speculation. It's a message board and that's what people do, a Marquette basketball message board no less. Not saying it is right to say some of the things that have been said about the girl, but it is just kind of the nature of the beast.
Sultan has nearly 6000 posts. He has "speculated" and offered opinions based on his own (sometimes accurate, sometimes not) reading of the "facts" more often than anyone on Scoop. Yet he feels that reading, examining and drawing any conclusions from the young woman's own statement is out of bounds. I guess this means that in the future he'll limit his commentary on all topics to instances where he has been "in the room".
Weird that Hoopaloop a.k.a. Chicos decides to resurface to comment on this thread
nm