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Title: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 08, 2010, 06:58:06 PM
From Rosiak:

Breaking: #mubb Joe Fulce severe bone contusion in left knee. NOT career-ending, as had been feared. Doubtful for UW on Saturday.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: brewcity77 on December 08, 2010, 06:59:51 PM
Huzzah! Awesome news  8-)
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: warriors1991 on December 08, 2010, 07:01:55 PM
That's remarkable. Get well soon, Joe, we're gonna need you for the BEast!
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: Slim on December 08, 2010, 07:03:11 PM
Is this directly connected to his previous injury or is this coincidence? We need him back as soon as it is safe.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 08, 2010, 07:03:40 PM
The Rasputin of MU hoops.  We need you, Joe!  Get well
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: 94Warrior on December 08, 2010, 07:04:10 PM
Very happy to hear that.  

I really don't know why people jump to conclusions.  
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: chapman on December 08, 2010, 07:04:52 PM
Good news.  Hopefully he can make it back soon, we'll need him.  Already have one loss that would have been a win with a healthy Fulce.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: NCAARules on December 08, 2010, 07:08:53 PM
Thank goodness. Heal up Joe! We need you.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: reinko on December 08, 2010, 07:17:26 PM
Very happy to hear that.  

I really don't know why people jump to conclusions.  

Did you watch last night?
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: Clam Crowder on December 08, 2010, 07:19:54 PM
Seeing a guy screaming on the ground leads people to fear the worst...
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: NCAARules on December 08, 2010, 07:25:29 PM
It was also pseudo-reported by someone on twitter. (not going to mention who because I dont think they deserve the extra publicity)

I'm pretty pissed that it took off as news when it was rumor.

Even more pissed that I fell into believing it.

Would love to hear that persons explanation of how they got it so wrong when they reported it as fact.
Title: [Rosiak's Blog] Fulce, MU dodge a bullet
Post by: ToddRosiakSays on December 08, 2010, 07:30:04 PM
Fulce, MU dodge a bullet
               




An examination of Joe Fulce's left knee on Wednesday revealed a severe bone contusion, an injury that is not considered to be career-ending, as had initially been feared.

               

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/111564429.html
               
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: 94Warrior on December 08, 2010, 07:31:12 PM
Did you watch last night?

Yes, and I have no doubt it was EXTREMELY painful.  I have had 4 knee surgeries myself.  2 of which were reconstructive.  I have felt his pain.

It was clear to me there was no twisting or collapse of the knee when I saw it, but 9 out of 10 of the people on here claimed his season was over.  That reaction makes no sense to me, but whatever.

I am just glad Joe is ok.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: Ari Gold on December 08, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
It was also pseudo-reported by someone on twitter. (not going to mention who because I dont think they deserve the extra publicity)

I'm pretty pissed that it took off as news when it was rumor.

Even more pissed that I fell into believing it.

Would love to hear that persons explanation of how they got it so wrong when they reported it as fact.

Because Buzz said "His knee was completely shot" that got reported everywhere people read about MU basketball... not Just Twitter
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: NCAARules on December 08, 2010, 07:38:01 PM
Because Buzz said "His knee was completely shot" that got reported everywhere people read about MU basketball... not Just Twitter

No - I saw that too originally. This tweet was sometime this morning and listed a specific injury, not just "completely shot".
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: reinko on December 08, 2010, 07:46:21 PM
No - I saw that too originally. This tweet was sometime this morning and listed a specific injury, not just "completely shot".

Who tweeted what? 
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: 94Warrior on December 08, 2010, 07:54:27 PM
Because Buzz said "His knee was completely shot" that got reported everywhere people read about MU basketball... not Just Twitter

Buzz said his knee was completely shot BEFORE the injury.  Buzz is very emotional, and I love him for that, so I didn't read much into his reaction after the game. 

As for Twitter, I don't put much stock in the opinion of a bunch of people that have never met Joe, let alone diagnosed his knee.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: chren21 on December 08, 2010, 08:06:52 PM
Well I was at the game even with the baseline across from visitors bench about 17 rows up.  Right in front of where it happened.  If you were there I believe you would have thought his season was over.  It was absolutely terrible to watch.  Then on the drive back to Chicago listening to Buzz break down on the postgame and describe it I was 99% sure he was done.

Thank god I may be wrong.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: NCAARules on December 08, 2010, 08:37:19 PM
Who tweeted what? 

 @MUWarriorBBall: #mubb Joe Fulce has a dislocated knee cap & said he is most likely done for the season, but not necessarily.

The first time I saw it, the originating handle had been omitted. Obviously, if I saw Warrior in the handle, I would know it was unofficial.

My lesson learned.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: Rollout-the-Barrel on December 08, 2010, 08:39:12 PM
Bone bruise is great news. Just shows how much pain he was already in. Tough dude.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2010, 08:54:21 PM
OK, I know this will be construed as a negative against Buzz.  It's not meant to be.  This is the second or third time that Buzz has come into a post game press conference to claim an calamitous injury that turned out not to be.  I'm sure the psyche is to think "Oh my God, he's done", which I get.  It's part of wearing his emotions on his sleeve, part of his makeup.  On some of these I think I'd rather have a "we'll wait until tomorrow to see what's up".

At any rate, bash away.  It truly isn't meant to be a bash at all, just an opinion that he might want to play the injury thing a bit closer to the vest.


Thrilled to hear Mr. Fulce will be back.  Kid has worked too hard to go out the way many of us thought he might have based on the injury and the words from the press conference last night.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 08, 2010, 08:55:49 PM
You guys are always flying off at the handle
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: NCMUFan on December 08, 2010, 09:16:34 PM
Wait there's more to come?
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on December 08, 2010, 09:32:27 PM
OK, I know this will be construed as a negative against Buzz.  It's not meant to be.  This is the second or third time that Buzz has come into a post game press conference to claim an calamitous injury that turned out not to be.  I'm sure the psyche is to think "Oh my God, he's done", which I get.  It's part of wearing his emotions on his sleeve, part of his makeup.  On some of these I think I'd rather have a "we'll wait until tomorrow to see what's up".

At any rate, bash away.  It truly isn't meant to be a bash at all, just an opinion that he might want to play the injury thing a bit closer to the vest.

Thrilled to hear Mr. Fulce will be back.  Kid has worked too hard to go out the way many of us thought he might have based on the injury and the words from the press conference last night.
Not bashing, but I think you may have mis-interpreted what Buzz said, as has been stated previously in this thread or another.  The way I interpreted the quote was that Buzz said his Fulce's knee was totally shot PRIOR to the latest injury, not as the result of the latest injury.  Of course, I may be intrepreting it wrong too.  

EDIIT:  This is the other statement I was referring to:

For the record, I beleive the context of Buzz's quote that his knee was shot was referring to the status of his knee *before* the collision.  So is it "more shot" now?  We don't know yet.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/111505879.html
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: marquette99 on December 08, 2010, 09:32:54 PM
Fantastic news!
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2010, 09:36:43 PM
Not bashing, but I think you may have mis-interpreted what Buzz said, as has been stated previously in this thread or another.  The way I interpreted the quote was that Buzz said his Fulce's knee was totally shot PRIOR to the latest injury, not as the result of the latest injury.  Of course, I may be intrepreting it wrong too. 

Could be, didn't think of it like that.  Definitely could see that being the case.  I thought he was saying it in context of the latest injury but your interpretation certainly could be right as well.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: jaybilaswho? on December 08, 2010, 09:51:48 PM
@MUWarriorBBall: #mubb Joe Fulce has a dislocated knee cap & said he is most likely done for the season, but not necessarily.

Just an example of why Twitter is not a great source to report from. Regardless, GREAT news! Get well soon Joe. Your senior season is waiting for you... Go get it.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2010, 09:53:58 PM
Just an example of why Twitter is not a great source to report from. Regardless, GREAT news! Get well soon Joe. Your senior season is waiting for you... Go get it.

You mean in terms of Buzz's comments? I got them from the article last night.

Coach Buzz Williams

On whether Joe Fulce's injury occurred when he appeared to bang knees with an opposing player: "No. He's got a shot knee; it's been shot. I would say it's completely shot. That's all I know."

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/111505879.html
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: cheebs09 on December 08, 2010, 09:56:18 PM
Someone posted earlier today that Fulce had a dislocated knee and was probably out for the year. I believe the twitter name was MU_BBALL or something like that which I think is pretty close to a Marquette official's twitter.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: martyconlonontherun on December 08, 2010, 10:08:00 PM
I don't think it's over reacting to think someone was done for the year when it comes to knees. Especially for a guy with bad knees and was screaming on the floor. It was a safe assumption at the time. Everyone hear was classy so don't see the big deal?
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: jaybilaswho? on December 08, 2010, 10:25:35 PM
Chico- no. I meant in regard to the tweet about the dislocated knee by MUbballWarrior or whatever the tweet handle was. Will quote it tomorrow when I get in front of a computer. Can't quote on my BlackBerry.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 08, 2010, 11:09:14 PM
Ah, ok...thanks
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: rugbydrummer on December 08, 2010, 11:58:31 PM
Ahem.

No disrespect to Coach Buzz, but i personally usually wait to hear what the radiologists/orthopods say before rendering my final judgment.  I personally was more worried about an ACL rupture given how my friend reported JF pivoting on his foot or w/e.  At any rate, the initially reported patellar dislocation was still, to me, not a season-ending injury by any stretch... but that's what you get for rumors and quick-Tweeters.

Just sayin' . . .

RICE that knee up, Joe! we will need your energy for the BEAST season!
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: Ari Gold on December 09, 2010, 12:24:47 AM
@MUWarriorBBall: #mubb Joe Fulce has a dislocated knee cap & said he is most likely done for the season, but not necessarily.

The first time I saw it, the originating handle had been omitted. Obviously, if I saw Warrior in the handle, I would know it was unofficial.

My lesson learned.

Note Profile of said tweeter: a sports writer for The Warrior(Marquette's Independent Newspaper), will be providing M.U. men's basketball news/analysis all season long.

Kid will do anything to get the paper publicity and a RT from Rosiak and the JS

Remember when the warrior was reporting that Bobby Knight was going to come out of retirement to coach MU?
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 09, 2010, 08:09:01 AM
Sounds like a knee with underlying problems. Great to hear that the recent injury is not "career ending" but a "severe bone contusion" won't go away quickly. The season is short, the healing time is long. Here's hoping the kid comes along quickly enough to get some time on the court and be rewarded for all his hard work.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: jficke13 on December 09, 2010, 08:12:39 AM
Just an example of why Twitter is not a great source to report from. Regardless, GREAT news! Get well soon Joe. Your senior season is waiting for you... Go get it.

"not a great source to report from" ?? Twitter is a freaking terrible source. The moment that the New York Times (and all "reputable" serious media) and ESPN started sourcing stories exclusively off of twitter was the moment they should have been wholeheartedly ignored as being no better than the tabloids.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: Jumping Jesuit on December 09, 2010, 08:15:05 AM
Joe is the Ronaldo of NCAA basketball. Hopefully, he can bounce back like R9 did.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 09, 2010, 09:03:54 AM
The Rasputin of MU hoops.
I love this.

Great news...Joe is one of my favorites.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: akmarq on December 09, 2010, 12:24:21 PM
A blurb about this on the frontpage of ESPN CBB

Also mentions the Buycks is now probable for the Bucky game

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5900673

(The story shows up on the CBB page but then redirects to the MLB section. Nice job ESPN)
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: jaybilaswho? on December 09, 2010, 02:42:27 PM
A blurb about this on the frontpage of ESPN CBB

Also mentions the Buycks is now probable for the Bucky game

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5900673

(The story shows up on the CBB page but then redirects to the MLB section. Nice job ESPN)

MILWAUKEE -- Marquette senior forward Joseph Fulce has been diagnosed with a severe bone contusion after injuring his left knee Tuesday night, but the school hasn't ruled out his eventual return to the court.

Fulce was taken to the hospital after falling to the court in obvious pain during the second half of the Golden Eagles' victory over Texas A&M-Corpus Christi on Tuesday night. Fulce had problems with the same knee earlier in the season.

Coach Buzz Williams said after the game that he feared the worst.

"He's got a shot knee," Williams said. "It's been shot. I would say it's completely shot. That's all I know."

Marquette forward Jae Crowder said it was difficult to listen to Fulce scream in pain as the crowd fell silent.

"I knew it was the same knee that he just came back from," Crowder said. "I knew it was serious. Then the screaming that I heard and everybody else heard really shut me down."

The school says Fulce is doubtful for Saturday's game against Wisconsin, and his future availability will be based on his response to treatment.

Senior guard Dwight Buycks, who missed Tuesday's game with a sprained ankle, is probable for Saturday's game.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: martyconlonontherun on December 09, 2010, 03:44:09 PM
Turns out it could still be season ending. We'll see December 26.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 09, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
Is this directly connected to his previous injury or is this coincidence? We need him back as soon as it is safe.

A bone contusion results from a hit on the knee, so most likely he did have his knee collide with a Texas A& M CC player's knee as was reported after the game.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: BrewCity83 on December 09, 2010, 04:58:28 PM
Turns out it could still be season ending. We'll see December 26.

What's special about that date?
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: NumenFlumenque on December 09, 2010, 05:27:09 PM
Joe/MU considering redshirt:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5904043 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5904043)
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 09, 2010, 05:43:17 PM
Why the jan 8th date?  Did the 30% rule change?
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: martyconlonontherun on December 09, 2010, 05:43:24 PM
What's special about that date?
Saw it on twitter that buzz mentioned that date. Though the article below says the deadline is after Jan 8's game. Bet Buzz just used Christmas as a benchmark time frame?
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: Boone on December 09, 2010, 06:14:31 PM
May be cold to post, but I'd prefer we not redshirt someone and tie up a scholarship for another year on someone who's knee is "shot." Too risky.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: 79Warrior on December 09, 2010, 07:32:26 PM
May be cold to post, but I'd prefer we not redshirt someone and tie up a scholarship for another year on someone who's knee is "shot." Too risky.

sure seems like Buzz thinks his career is over. At this point, Buzz probably does not want Joe hobbled for life.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 09, 2010, 07:54:55 PM
May be cold to post, but I'd prefer we not redshirt someone and tie up a scholarship for another year on someone who's knee is "shot." Too risky.

Well, IMO, the redshirt is just giving him the option to play next year.  He may finish all his classes this year, and decide that the knee hurts too much to play next year.  Or Buzz may convince him that his days are done.  The redshirt doesn't force us to use  a scholarship on him next year, but it certainly would allow us to use  scholarship on him next year if the stars were to align.

Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: chapman on December 09, 2010, 08:06:10 PM
A healthy Joe Fulce is better for next year's roster than anyone else we could bring in, but if there's a 10% chance he makes it through the season I'd rather take him for a game or two down the stretch this year.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: BME to MD on December 09, 2010, 08:08:25 PM
Microfracture surgery in high school is very extreme.  Joe is one tough guy but his knee will never be truly healthy.
Title: Re: FULCE NOT DONE
Post by: Boone on December 09, 2010, 08:33:15 PM
I doubt Joe will ever be healthy again.