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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: brewcity77 on January 15, 2018, 11:25:18 AM
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Updating this for 4/19/2018. I am only including players Marquette has confirmed interest with. The original list of potential grad transfers was moved down to the 4th post of this thread. At the bottom of this thread will be relevant articles for those looking for more grad transfer info.
- PG Joseph Chartouny, 6'3", Fordham: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=30576) / espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3906465/joseph-chartouny) Chartouny is a big PG that competed in the A-10 with less than stellar advanced numbers but an impressive raw statline (12.2 ppg/5.6 rpg/4.6 apg). He's a great defender that has been among the national leaders in steals each of the past two seasons. The hope would be that he would improve his efficiency if he had better surrounding talent. His shooting stats took a dip last year, but that could be because Fordham lost their three best players from 2017, two of which left as grad transfers: Christian Sengfelder to Boise State and Antwoine Anderson to UConn. It may be worth noting that Sengfelder and Anderson both put up career bests in offensive efficiency after leaving Fordham. UPDATE: Chartouny visited Marquette on April 17. Louisville also has been mentioned as a possible destination.
SG Joe Cremo, 6'4", Albany: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=30046) / espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3918721/joe-cremo) This kid is an offensive beast. He ranked 15th in the country in offensive efficiency for players with 24+% usage, can score inside and out while also getting to the line and converting, and has a great raw line (17.8 ppg/4.1 rpg/3.8 apg). Defensively, he is the opposite. Cremo would likely fill the Rowsey role perfectly, putting up big numbers but allowing opponents to do the same. He's getting a lot of interest, including Duke.
PG David Nichols, 6'0", Albany: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=30048) / espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3918723/david-nichols) Nichols committed to Florida State on his first official visit.
Paint Touches Free Agent Tracker (https://painttouches.com/2018/03/31/2018-ncaa-free-agent-tracker-3-31-edition/)
Grad Transfer Tracker (https://gradtransfertracker.com/potential-transfers-1/)
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I've seen a lot of talk about who would be a good grad transfer, but the lists seem to always be a bit too good to be true. Are these players that have indicated a strong desire to transfer, or are these just guys who are in a position to transfer due to graduation status? Happ, for example, while he may be eligible, I highly doubt will be a guy who wants to transfer. If he leaves UW it's got to be because he's going pro.
So if the above list is just guys who are eligible, are there any that have indicated that they plan to leave?
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Ahmed Hill is a RS-JR due to missing a year with injury. About as likely as Happ but worth listing just for the Scoopiness.
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Potential grad transfers. Far too early for any of them to have indicated they are going to .
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Ahmed Hill is a RS-JR due to missing a year with injury. About as likely as Happ but worth listing just for the Scoopiness.
Would find that hilarious
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I'm sure some will say this is jumping the gun, but we missed on Grimes, have an open scholarship, and are ready to watch the last couple months of Rowsey's career. Not going to go into much detail, but here are some potential grad transfer point/combo guards in alphabetical order that could be on the market come April or May:
- Robert Cartwright, Stanford: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26816)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3134911/robert-cartwright) Not a great shooter, but a proven high-major distributor with size (6'2") and experience.
- Jon Elmore, Marshall: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=32311)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3155937/jon-elmore) Redshirted at VMI before transferring. Currently 12th in the country in scoring at 22.7 ppg and 8th in assists at 7.3 apg. Trae Young is the only player in the top-15 in both categories. Great size (6'3") and is top-100 in both fouls conceded/40 minutes and fouls drawn/40 minutes. Really intriguing player.
- Isaac Fleming, East Carolina: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=25752)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3148927/isaac-fleming) Good raw numbers, terrible advanced stats this year. Showed more promise at Hawaii. Passing is his best attribute.
- Ethan Happ, Wisconsin: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=32162)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136996/ethan-happ) It would be fun, hilarious, and oh so satisfying. I'm keeping him on this list until the dream is over no matter what you say.
- Ria'n Holland, Mercer: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=27223)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2382/mercer-bears) YES PLEASE! Originally a Wichita State recruit, he looks like a little bit bigger Andrew Rowsey. 6'0", high-usage, great distributor, doesn't turn it over, can score at all three levels. Not necessarily a pure point, but he is a complete offensive player.
- Paul Jackson, Eastern Michigan: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=25527)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3155894/paul-jackson) Doing a bit of everything at the mid-major level. In addition to distribution, does most of his work inside the arc, something this team could use more of.
- Tayler Persons, Ball State: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26353)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3130525/tayler-persons) Solidly built, has shown the ability to shoot in the past, great distributor. Not sure how he'd handle the speed of the Big East because he is built like a linebacker, though he did torch Notre Dame in a road upset.
- Ahmaad Rorie, Montana: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26479)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3134900/ahmaad-rorie) Originally an Oregon recruit, has been great at Montana. Has the quickness to play at this level with more length than Rowsey (6'1").
- Shawn Roundtree, Central Michigan: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26160)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3138292/shawn-roundtree) Might be available, but I'm not convinced he's a high-major player.
- Deshon Taylor, Fresno State: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=27074)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3130608/deshon-taylor) Does a bit of everything, and scores a ton, but is definitely more a combo than a true point. Though on this team, that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
- Devin Watson, San Diego State: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26691)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136524/devin-watson) Raw numbers are down since transferring from San Francisco, but his efficiency is up.
- Isaiah Wright, San Diego: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=27098)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3134910/isaiah-wright) Originally a Utah recruit, has good size (6'2"), scores at all three levels, and distributes well. Would be near the top of my list.
If anyone has other names, let me know and I'll add them. If any of the above links are wrong, let me know and I'll correct them.
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I've seen a lot of talk about who would be a good grad transfer, but the lists seem to always be a bit too good to be true. Are these players that have indicated a strong desire to transfer, or are these just guys who are in a position to transfer due to graduation status? Happ, for example, while he may be eligible, I highly doubt will be a guy who wants to transfer. If he leaves UW it's got to be because he's going pro.
So if the above list is just guys who are eligible, are there any that have indicated that they plan to leave?
We don't know the toll the season takes on a high caliber player like Happ. Does he want to go through a season like this again? Does he want to be on a bubble team his last year of college or perhaps he wants to go to a top ten team and make a run. There are a lot of different reasons players leave. I don't have a great feel of what kind of 5th year player Happ wants to be.
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If Happ comes out and decides to transfer, he would almost assuredly be the most sought after transfer on the market. He's the kind of player previous MU squads would have needed to put them over the top, and imagine there's gonna be a guard-heavy top 25 team looking to make the leap that will gobble him up.
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Don't underestimate the impact the 2018 freshman class could have on Happ as well. Most of the top bigs are committed in a very thin big man class. Both Duke and Kentucky could be looking for a player like Happ.
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Being hapless this year might make the Badgers Happ-less next year.
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Ethan and Joey are from the same AAU team
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Being hapless this year might make the Badgers Happ-less next year.
Slow clap.
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You could probably add Gavin Schilling from Michigan State. He has a Big East style body and approach.
He went to Loyola Academy as a freshman so he understands what the Jesuit School system is all about.
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You could probably add Gavin Schilling from Michigan State. He has a Big East style body and approach.
He went to Loyola Academy as a freshman so he understands what the Jesuit School system is all about.
Marquette needs guards, not bigs. Seems weird to say, but the last thing MU needs is more size up front.
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I'm only including guards that fit the point/combo role. Happ plays like a point center, so he's the exception.
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Ethan and Joey are from the same AAU team
Don't think they ever played with one another though.
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- Robert Cartwright, Stanford: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26816)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3134911/robert-cartwright) Not a great shooter, but a proven high-major distributor with size (6'2") and experience. .881 pppa,
42nd percentile
- Jon Elmore, Marshall: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=32311)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3155937/jon-elmore) Redshirted at VMI before transferring. Currently 12th in the country in scoring at 22.7 ppg and 8th in assists at 7.3 apg. Trae Young is the only player in the top-15 in both categories. Great size (6'3") and is top-100 in both fouls conceded/40 minutes and fouls drawn/40 minutes. Really intriguing player. .873 pppa 45th percentile
- Isaac Fleming, East Carolina: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=25752)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3148927/isaac-fleming) Good raw numbers, terrible advanced stats this year. Showed more promise at Hawaii. Passing is his best attribute. .847 pppa 51st percentile
- Ethan Happ, Wisconsin: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=32162)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136996/ethan-happ) It would be fun, hilarious, and oh so satisfying. I'm keeping him on this list until the dream is over no matter what you say. .857 pppa 48th percentile
- Ria'n Holland, Mercer: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=27223)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2382/mercer-bears) YES PLEASE! Originally a Wichita State recruit, he looks like a little bit bigger Andrew Rowsey. 6'0", high-usage, great distributor, doesn't turn it over, can score at all three levels. Not necessarily a pure point, but he is a complete offensive player. .906 pppa 36th percentile
- Paul Jackson, Eastern Michigan: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=25527)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3155894/paul-jackson) Doing a bit of everything at the mid-major level. In addition to distribution, does most of his work inside the arc, something this team could use more of. .702 pppa 83rd percentile
- Tayler Persons, Ball State: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26353)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3130525/tayler-persons) Solidly built, has shown the ability to shoot in the past, great distributor. Not sure how he'd handle the speed of the Big East because he is built like a linebacker, though he did torch Notre Dame in a road upset. .917 pppa 33rd percentile
- Ahmaad Rorie, Montana: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26479)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3134900/ahmaad-rorie) Originally an Oregon recruit, has been great at Montana. Has the quickness to play at this level with more length than Rowsey (6'1"). .735 pppa 77th percentile
- Shawn Roundtree, Central Michigan: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26160)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3138292/shawn-roundtree) Might be available, but I'm not convinced he's a high-major player. .710 pppa 81st percentile
- Deshon Taylor, Fresno State: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=27074)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3130608/deshon-taylor) Does a bit of everything, and scores a ton, but is definitely more a combo than a true point. Though on this team, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. .877 pppa 43rd percentile
- Devin Watson, San Diego State: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26691)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136524/devin-watson) Raw numbers are down since transferring from San Francisco, but his efficiency is up. .937 pppa 29th percentile
- Isaiah Wright, San Diego: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=27098)/espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3134910/isaiah-wright) Originally a Utah recruit, has good size (6'2"), scores at all three levels, and distributes well. Would be near the top of my list. .854 pppa 49th percentile
If anyone has other names, let me know and I'll add them. If any of the above links are wrong, let me know and I'll correct them.
I added the points per possession allowed for each player this season as well as where that number ranks in comparison to the rest of Division 1. After watching what passes for defense here the past two seasons I would like to have a defensive stopper running the point.
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Looking at the defensive numbers, Ahmaad Rorie looks even more impressive. I hope Stan has some connection there.
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TAMU that is a great advanced stat of the ppp allowed. Any chance you could post the top Big East players in this metric?
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In addition to grad transfer, there may be some hidden gems in D2. DePaul found one in Max Struss. Michigan found one in Duncan Robinson who transferred from D3 Williams.
I realize these are long shots, but it is still worth scouting around . You never know what you may find.
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Don't think they ever played with one another though.
I don't think they did either, but at least the grassy knoll connection is there. I think Happ goes pro if anything but he should have done that after last season.
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Took a look for some more guards. Here's some more eligible names from higher conferences. Hoping TAMU can take a look at their defensive numbers. Most may be unrealistic, but some intriguing options if any did decide to transfer.
- Marcquise Reed, Clemson: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26621) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3133969/marcquise-reed) A combo guard that can shoot, distribute, and rebound. Seems unlikely the leading scorer on a top-15 team will transfer again, however.
- Shelton Mitchell, Clemson: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=27136) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136699/shelton-mitchell) The other half of Clemson's backcourt. More of a true point guard and has size (6'3"). More apt to pass than shoot.
- Alex Robinson, TCU: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26958) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136624/alex-robinson) Robinson isn't as efficient as you'd like, but he is definitely pass first. The other concern is TCU isn't a good defensive team.
- Tavarius Shine, Oklahoma State: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26463) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3147617/tavarius-shine) Great size at 6'6", but has never really been a true point guard. Some injury issues, but could be intriguing as a secondary ball-handler.
- Kory Holden, South Carolina: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=25457) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3129940/kory-holden) Was great at Delaware, but hasn't been able to find minutes at USC. I'd guess if he transfers, it will be to a mid-major.
- James Palmer, Nebraska: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26111) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3138146/james-palmer-jr.) More of a combo 2/3, but has the ball in his hands a lot and is the best player on Ed Morrow's old team. Bit player at Miami who found his footing in the Big 10.
- Cane Broome, Cincinnati: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26643) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3153183/cane-broome) Broome transferred from Sacred Heart and seems unlikely to transfer, but is a great distributor playing for a great defensive team. Good shooter and distributor who is pass-first. There are numerous younger guards behind him and Cincy's only 2018 commit is a freshman PG.
- BJ Taylor, UCF: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=27036) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3132062/b.j.-taylor) Taylor missed much of this season but has averaged double-digit scoring every year while tallying 27 assists to just 12 turnovers in his 8 games since returning this year. Good size at 6'2". Not sure he'd want to leave his hometown team, but could be an interesting option if he wants to step it up a level.
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Two other possibilities:
Lance Tejada (Lehigh): Started at ECU. Stats improved dramatically after transfer. Averaging 15.6 ppg and 49% from 3 (74-151). Played PG in high school. Combo guard now. Played great against top competition; 19 points against USC and 22 against UVA (shot 5-9 from 3 and 8-14 from the floor against a top defensive squad).
Malik Marquetti (Louisianna Ragin Cajuns)...strictly because of his name.
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How soon after the end of the season do players usually announce their intent to grad-transfer? Something that happens in April/May, or more so over the summer?
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How soon after the end of the season do players usually announce their intent to grad-transfer? Something that happens in April/May, or more so over the summer?
Sometimes as soon as March, but I think most announce by the beginning of May. There are exceptions in both directions, but you probably have 95% of the list in May.
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Great list Brew..but the one guy thats missing that I think would fit MU's team next year to a "T" is Makai Mason PG Yale
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Great list Brew..but the one guy thats missing that I think would fit MU's team next year to a "T" is Makai Mason PG Yale
Unless something has changed, he's already said he's going to Baylor.
http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/mens_basketball/yale-guard-makai-mason-transferring-to-baylor/article_a6e782c2-b566-5ca3-908e-3b40dc40ce6e.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/mens_basketball/yale-guard-makai-mason-transferring-to-baylor/article_a6e782c2-b566-5ca3-908e-3b40dc40ce6e.html)
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Ethan and Joey are from the same AAU team
Not true. Happ played for the Quad City Elite and Joey for the Iowa Barnstormers.
A couple other names that could be affected by coaching changes. Eric Cooper of Pepperdine and J.D. Paige of Colorado State.
http://www.pepperdinewaves.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/eric_cooper_jr_1019762.html
http://csurams.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=14
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I will continue to hold out hope for the PG at Ball State but at this point have next to no confidence in this coaching staff.
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I will continue to hold out hope for the PG at Ball State but at this point have next to no confidence in this coaching staff.
Shocking
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Great list Brew..but the one guy thats missing that I think would fit MU's team next year to a "T" is Makai Mason PG Yale
Committed to Baylor
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I will continue to hold out hope for the PG at Ball State but at this point have next to no confidence in this coaching staff.
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I will continue to hold out hope for the PG at Ball State but at this point have next to no confidence in this coaching staff.
Bill Scholl being the MU AD and formerly of Ball State probably eliminates MU. I think Bill hired the current Ball State head coach.
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Bill Scholl being the MU AD and formerly of Ball State probably eliminates MU. I think Bill hired the current Ball State head coach.
Why would that matter?
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Scholl no matta, hey?
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In addition to grad transfer, there may be some hidden gems in D2. DePaul found one in Max Struss. Michigan found one in Duncan Robinson who transferred from D3 Williams.
I realize these are long shots, but it is still worth scouting around . You never know what you may find.
They would still have to sit out a year.
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Unless something has changed, he's already said he's going to Baylor.
http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/mens_basketball/yale-guard-makai-mason-transferring-to-baylor/article_a6e782c2-b566-5ca3-908e-3b40dc40ce6e.html (http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/mens_basketball/yale-guard-makai-mason-transferring-to-baylor/article_a6e782c2-b566-5ca3-908e-3b40dc40ce6e.html)
Missed that, thanks
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Kory Holden is leaving South Carolina. Played two years at Delaware and our up great numbers. Not sure what happened at SC. Not certain he’s going to graduate this spring or summer, but he’s spent four years at college so a potential option.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kory-holden-1.html (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kory-holden-1.html)
Edit - Brew already had Holden on his list.
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Took a look for some more guards. Here's some more eligible names from higher conferences. Hoping TAMU can take a look at their defensive numbers. Most may be unrealistic, but some intriguing options if any did decide to transfer.
- Marcquise Reed, Clemson: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26621) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3133969/marcquise-reed) A combo guard that can shoot, distribute, and rebound. Seems unlikely the leading scorer on a top-15 team will transfer again, however.
- Shelton Mitchell, Clemson: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=27136) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136699/shelton-mitchell) The other half of Clemson's backcourt. More of a true point guard and has size (6'3"). More apt to pass than shoot.
- Alex Robinson, TCU: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26958) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136624/alex-robinson) Robinson isn't as efficient as you'd like, but he is definitely pass first. The other concern is TCU isn't a good defensive team.
- Tavarius Shine, Oklahoma State: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26463) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3147617/tavarius-shine) Great size at 6'6", but has never really been a true point guard. Some injury issues, but could be intriguing as a secondary ball-handler.
- Kory Holden, South Carolina: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=25457) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3129940/kory-holden) Was great at Delaware, but hasn't been able to find minutes at USC. I'd guess if he transfers, it will be to a mid-major.
- James Palmer, Nebraska: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26111) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3138146/james-palmer-jr.) More of a combo 2/3, but has the ball in his hands a lot and is the best player on Ed Morrow's old team. Bit player at Miami who found his footing in the Big 10.
- Cane Broome, Cincinnati: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=26643) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3153183/cane-broome) Broome transferred from Sacred Heart and seems unlikely to transfer, but is a great distributor playing for a great defensive team. Good shooter and distributor who is pass-first. There are numerous younger guards behind him and Cincy's only 2018 commit is a freshman PG.
- BJ Taylor, UCF: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=27036) / ESPN (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3132062/b.j.-taylor) Taylor missed much of this season but has averaged double-digit scoring every year while tallying 27 assists to just 12 turnovers in his 8 games since returning this year. Good size at 6'2". Not sure he'd want to leave his hometown team, but could be an interesting option if he wants to step it up a level.
Marcquise Reed: .855 pppa (51st percentile)
Shelton Mitchell: .792 pppa (70th percentile)
Alex Robinson: 1.00 pppa (16th percentile)
Tavarius Shine: .831 pppa (59th percentile)
Kory Holden: .735 pppa (83rd percentile)
James Palmer: .752 pppa (79th percentile)
Cane Broome: .727 pppa (84th percentile)
BJ Taylor: 1.051 pppa (10th percentile)
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Thanks, TAMU. Will be interesting to see who's available in the next 6-8 weeks. Hope the staff is looking at how these guys play on both ends of the court.
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Kory Holden is leaving South Carolina. Played two years at Delaware and our up great numbers. Not sure what happened at SC. Not certain he’s going to graduate this spring or summer, but he’s spent four years at college so a potential option.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kory-holden-1.html (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kory-holden-1.html)
Edit - Brew already had Holden on his list.
My fear with Holden is that he simply isn't a high major player. I've noticed that PG grad transfers from mid majors seem to have a harder time adjusting than other positions. One of the top grad transfers last season was Jaaron Simmons from Ohio. He averaged 16 points a game and 6.5 assists, the season before he averaged 15.5 points and 7.9 assists. He was walking into a situation where the starting PG had graduated and the only other competition didn't look ready. He's now averaging 1.6 points, 1.4 rebounds with around 8 minutes a game.
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Probably the stupidest question asked today, but what the hell ...
A player is a returning senior. Takes part in preseason conditioning, madness, practices, exhibition games and non-con games. But he is dissatisfied with his role, so after he graduates on Dec. 10, he decides to transfer.
Would he be eligible immediately for his new team as a grad transfer?
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I don't believe players can play for two different teams in the same year, but Jay Bee would probably be better suited to answer that one.
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Holden had a knee injury during his redshirt year and missed 11 games this year because of a hamstring problem, so it may not be about his talent at all. Even Frank Martin said today that the injuries really took a toll on Holden.
Talent wise Holden can play at MU. Not sure if he'll be over the injuries or if his role at Marquette would be sufficient for him. He did play for Baltimore Elite in the Nike EYBL, so Wojo may have some connections to follow up on.
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Probably the stupidest question asked today, but what the hell ...
A player is a returning senior. Takes part in preseason conditioning, madness, practices, exhibition games and non-con games. But he is dissatisfied with his role, so after he graduates on Dec. 10, he decides to transfer.
Would he be eligible immediately for his new team as a grad transfer?
In your case above, the player used up his season of eligibility.
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Two more names I'll throw out there.
Clayton Custer, Loyola Chicago--6'1 PG. Was at Iowa State for a year before transferring.
1.443 PPP+Assists 98th percentile
1.131 PPP Offensive 96th percentile
.778 PPP Defensive 74th percentile
Lamonte Bearden, Western Kentucky--6'3 PG. Played 2 years at Buffalo. Went to Germantown HS.
1.192 PPP+Assists 78th percentile
.877 PPP Offense 48th percentile
.853 PPP Defense 52nd percentile
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Custer wouldn't be a bad option. Shoots nearly 50% from 3, A/TO ratio is a little over 2.
Don't know where that ranks in the grand scheme of things.
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Bearden is a long and athletic local kid. If nothing better takes shape I’d certainly like to see the last scholarship go to him for one season and open back up.
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Couple more
Deandre Burnett--6'2 PG, Mississippi. Was at Miami (FL) for two years..injured for the first season with a broken wrist. Played the past two seasons at Ole Miss.
1.293 PPP+Assists 88th percentile
.985 PPP Offensive 75th percentile
.832 PPP Defensive 59th percentile
Tarin Smith--6'2 PG, Duquesne. Began his career at Nebraska
1.184 PPP+Assists 69th percentile
.892 PPP Offensive 53rd percentile
.839 PPP Defensive 56th percentile
Pookie Powell--6'0 PG, La Salle. Started at Memphis. Could complete the Traci Carter trade.
1.172 PPP+Assists 67th percentile
.880 PPP Offensive 49th percentile
.871 PPP Defensive 47th percentile
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It's certainly possible that the M2N injury situation could materially impact Wojo's thinking. This could go from 'We'd like to sign a grad transfer' to 'We need to sign a grad transfer'.
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DeAndre Burnett had interest from Marquette when he transferred.
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How ironic if MU takes the PG that Traci Carter replaces at LaSallle.
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How ironic if MU tales the PG that Traci Carter replaces at LaSallle.
Plus, his name is Pookie. Hard to beat that (except with a taller PG with more skill on O and D)
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Two more names I'll throw out there.
Clayton Custer, Loyola Chicago--6'1 PG. Was at Iowa State for a year before transferring.
1.443 PPP+Assists 98th percentile
1.131 PPP Offensive 96th percentile
.778 PPP Defensive 74th percentile
Lamonte Bearden, Western Kentucky--6'3 PG. Played 2 years at Buffalo. Went to Germantown HS.
1.192 PPP+Assists 78th percentile
.877 PPP Offense 48th percentile
.853 PPP Defense 52nd percentile
Custer has done well in his last stand. Clinched a piece of MVC title.
http://www.espn.com/espn/wire?section=ncb&id=22495325
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Plus, his name is Pookie. Hard to beat that (except with a taller PG with more skill on O and D)
Sorry but new BOT policy disallows players with the name of Pookie.
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Sorry but new BOT policy disallows players with the name of Pookie.
That's a total myth.
Truth of the matter is that most players named Pookie major in Physical Education, and Marquette doesn't accept PhysEd transfer credits.
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Two more names I'll throw out there.
Clayton Custer, Loyola Chicago--6'1 PG. Was at Iowa State for a year before transferring.
1.443 PPP+Assists 98th percentile
1.131 PPP Offensive 96th percentile
.778 PPP Defensive 74th percentile
Lamonte Bearden, Western Kentucky--6'3 PG. Played 2 years at Buffalo. Went to Germantown HS.
1.192 PPP+Assists 78th percentile
.877 PPP Offense 48th percentile
.853 PPP Defense 52nd percentile
I think Marquette would steer real clear of Bearden. There is a reason he is at WKU right now and not a P6 school.
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Couple more
Deandre Burnett--6'2 PG, Mississippi. Was at Miami (FL) for two years..injured for the first season with a broken wrist. Played the past two seasons at Ole Miss.
1.293 PPP+Assists 88th percentile
.985 PPP Offensive 75th percentile
.832 PPP Defensive 59th percentile
Tarin Smith--6'2 PG, Duquesne. Began his career at Nebraska
1.184 PPP+Assists 69th percentile
.892 PPP Offensive 53rd percentile
.839 PPP Defensive 56th percentile
Pookie Powell--6'0 PG, La Salle. Started at Memphis. Could complete the Traci Carter trade.
1.172 PPP+Assists 67th percentile
.880 PPP Offensive 49th percentile
.871 PPP Defensive 47th percentile
Smith is in an interesting situation. Keith Dambrot was named coach last spring and he brought in a high school guard and a grad transfer who became starting guards with Smith going to the bench. He has one of his Akron point guards sitting out, plus Craig Randall (2G) and former Cleveland area guard Frankie Hughes (Missouri?) as transfers. So 2 guards return next year and Smith has to wonder what his status will be and if the coach will go with his own players.
Smith was valedictorian at Jersey City St. Anthony's.
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Smith is in an interesting situation. Keith Dambrot was named coach last spring and he brought in a high school guard and a grad transfer who became starting guards with Smith going to the bench. He has one of his Akron point guards sitting out, plus Craig Randall (2G) and former Cleveland area guard Frankie Hughes (Missouri?) as transfers. So 2 guards return next year and Smith has to wonder what his status will be and if the coach will go with his own players.
Smith was valedictorian at Jersey City St. Anthony's.
Thanks, someone to follow.
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I’ll be honest I know basically nothing about any of these guys except players like Burnett and Palmer on the high major squads. Palmer ain’t transferring and not sure Burnetts inefficiency is needed next year.
All I know about Custer is that I remember seeing him on ISU roster a few years ago.
That said, he seems like a great fit for us next year. All we need is a guy who can bring the ball up and hit the open shots when they come. We will have enough options.
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FYI Pookie Powell La Salle PG on TV right now on CBSHD vs Rhode Island.
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FYI Pookie Powell La Salle PG on TV right now on CBSSHD vs Rhode Island.
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http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/college-basketball-coach-arrested-on-domestic-violence-charges-details-san-diego/9njtrvwv3mtj1io1z9swrgn53
Isaiah Wright's coach.
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Really missed out on Elijah Brown, playing well for oregon
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Really missed out on Elijah Brown, playing well for oregon
We didn't miss out on him. He literally couldn't transfer here because he used to play for Butler.
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We didn't miss out on him. He literally couldn't transfer here because he used to play for Butler.
Ohh yeah i forgot about that
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Every time I see this Grad Transfer thread, I just think "wouldn't it be great if we still had Traci Carter?"
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As this season winds down, I wish I could build the perfect grad transfer true point guard that MU needs. Ideally someone like 6’3 (taller than 6’1” for sure), ball handler, great assist/to guy, really good on d. Doesn’t have to be a scorer, but can get to the hoop occasionally, and has to hit FT’s.
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Aaron Calixte from Maine will grad transfer. Averaged 17 this season. He’s a PG, but looks like he is sub 6 foot.
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Aaron Calixte from Maine will grad transfer. Averaged 17 this season.
4-26 team vs. D-I; he had a sub-100 Ortg, is less than 6 feet tall and shot less than 37% 3FG%... so, OK
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4-26 team vs. D-I; he had a sub-100 Ortg, is less than 6 feet tall and shot less than 37% 3FG%... so, OK
Just sharing in the grad transfer thread, not suggesting he is or should be an MU target.
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Bump
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Not sure if any of them are grad transfers, but this is eye-opening:
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
Eight Pittsburgh men’s basketball players will receive their release to transfer elsewhere today, sources told ESPN. Story coming.
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Every time I see this Grad Transfer thread, I just think "wouldn't it be great if we still had Traci Carter?"
Yep. Considering Traci elected to sit out all of this year, would have been the perfect scenario at MU if coaches could have sold him on doing the same at MU, redshirting this year, and then taking the reigns next year after Rowsey is gone. Plus, Traci would have remained eligible to play last year 2nd semester and been a part of NCAA team.
Thought Traci has great potential.
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Not sure if any of them are grad transfers, but this is eye-opening:
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
Eight Pittsburgh men’s basketball players will receive their release to transfer elsewhere today, sources told ESPN. Story coming.
And they lost five kids to transfer last year. Nearly a complete roster turnover in 12 months. Yikes.
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Not sure if any of them are grad transfers, but this is eye-opening:
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
Eight Pittsburgh men’s basketball players will receive their release to transfer elsewhere today, sources told ESPN. Story coming.
I guess it'll be a clean start for the new coach?
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I guess it'll be a clean start for the new coach?
Hmmm and people want wojo fired... do they not understand this is what would likely happen here? WOO ANOTHER 5 year rebuild!
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Not sure if any of them are grad transfers, but this is eye-opening:
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
Eight Pittsburgh men’s basketball players will receive their release to transfer elsewhere today, sources told ESPN. Story coming.
Oops. Started a new thread on this topic before I saw it discussed here.
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Hmmm and people want wojo fired... do they not understand this is what would likely happen here? WOO ANOTHER 5 year rebuild!
So true. We all love our blue and gold goggles. And we think that what happens at other schools could never happen at MU. So we are shocked, shocked when ..... a coaching change happens and it takes time to get a roster the way the new coach wants it..... 3 star freshmen come in and don't magically exceed their ranking and dominate from day 1..... that the coach can't just go out and get a star big at the snap of his fingers.... that 18-22 year old males aren't going to do stupid crap.... that a coach can't overcome having a roster of 9 players, 3 of whom are 3 star freshmen and 4 of whom are sophomores.....
If MU was stupid enough to fire Wojo this offseason, the next few years of MU basketball would be somewhere between Pitt and Depaul.
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Hmmm and people want wojo fired... do they not understand this is what would likely happen here? WOO ANOTHER 5 year rebuild!
^^^^^^^^^^^
This.
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And they lost five kids to transfer last year. Nearly a complete roster turnover in 12 months. Yikes.
Yup.
Several posters here believe, however, that Pitt should be back in the NCAA and competing for conference championships within 1-3 years because rebuilds are not difficult
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Yup.
Several posters here believe, however, that Pitt should be back in the NCAA and competing for conference championships within 1-3 years because rebuilds are not difficult
As long as the Pitt fans don't accept complacency it'll be an easy rebuild. The most important thing is to ignore all the Millenials and their data and continue to tell stories about how great things used to be. It's really not that difficult.
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I must have missed all the data from the Millennials proving rebuilds should all be quick and painless.
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Elmore please
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Elmore please
I'd definitely take him, but try not to draw any major conculsions from this game. Wichita St.'s defense is almsot as bad as ours.
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I'd definitely take him, but try not to draw any major conculsions from this game. Wichita St.'s defense is almsot as bad as ours.
Guy is nice. Except his free throw shooting today.
Hopefully he would play even more of a point role for a team like us.
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Guy is nice. Except his free throw shooting today.
Hopefully he would play even more of a point role for a team like us.
He's like a 6ft 3 Rowsey.
Is Frankamp like 32 years old?
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As long as the Pitt fans don't accept complacency it'll be an easy rebuild. The most important thing is to ignore all the Millenials and their data and continue to tell stories about how great things used to be. It's really not that difficult.
Nice
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Elmore please
Elmore is legit. But looks like all major contributors from his team return next season....not sure he’ll be looking to transfer.
But we can hope!
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Is Frankamp like 32 years old?
Only 22, but dude was balding at age 16.
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Elmore is legit. But looks like all major contributors from his team return next season....not sure he’ll be looking to transfer.
But we can hope!
Is there any reason he would be eligible immediately? He is a Junior right now, played all 3 years, doesn't appear to have redshirted at all.
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Is there any reason he would be eligible immediately? He is a Junior right now, played all 3 years, doesn't appear to have redshirted at all.
Spent all or a part of his freshman year at VMI but did not play.
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I would put the chances of Elmore playing in the Association next year infinitely higher than I would put the chances of Elmore playing at MU next year.
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I would put the chances of Elmore playing in the Association next year infinitely higher than I would put the chances of Elmore playing at MU next year.
Our team is gonna be so good next season, it would be pretty much the same thing, my friend!
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If the transferrable credits check out, I hope a Marquette staffer is present in Hutchinson, KS late Monday afternoon to watch a combo guard who has Milwaukee roots.
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If the transferrable credits check out, I hope a Marquette staffer is present in Hutchinson, KS late Monday afternoon to watch a combo guard who has Milwaukee roots.
Who would that be?
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Oops. Started a new thread on this topic before I saw it discussed here.
i know how ya feel wades-happens to the best of us eyn'a'er enn'a? ::)
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If the transferrable credits check out, I hope a Marquette staffer is present in Hutchinson, KS late Monday afternoon to watch a combo guard who has Milwaukee roots.
J.J. Rhymes? I don’t know about his Milwaukee roots, but he looks like the most relevant player on their roster.
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Hutchinson, KS hosts the NJCAA tournament. March 19-24.
Danya Kingsby is the Milwaukee kid. Plays for the College of Southern Idaho. Has asked Pitt for his release.
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Hutchinson, KS hosts the NJCAA tournament. March 19-24.
Danya Kingsby is the Milwaukee kid. Plays for the College of Southern Idaho. Has asked Pitt for his release.
Kingsby is rated #26 by JUCO recruiting. His stats don't impress me that much: 12.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.0 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.1 bpg, 2.3 tpg, 54.4 eFG%. Haven't seen him play but I would expect a JUCO with those numbers to probably be a backup for us next season. Is there something about his game you like?
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Kingsby is rated #26 by JUCO recruiting. His stats don't impress me that much: 12.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.0 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.1 bpg, 2.3 tpg, 54.4 eFG%. Haven't seen him play but I would expect a JUCO with those numbers to probably be a backup for us next season. Is there something about his game you like?
Haven't seen him play. Just answering who the mystery player is that Ted Baxter was alluding to.
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Kingsby is rated #26 by JUCO recruiting. His stats don't impress me that much: 12.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.0 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.1 bpg, 2.3 tpg, 54.4 eFG%. Haven't seen him play but I would expect a JUCO with those numbers to probably be a backup for us next season. Is there something about his game you like?
The staff could just as easily keeps tab by watching the live stream from Hutchinson this week, especially through Tuesday.
First of all I'm not necessarily advocating an offer because I don't know if Kingsby's classes will all transfer to MU, so it might be a waste to even mention him I guess. I'm just saying even though I would prefer a grad transfer, the JUCO route may be the best option because the grad transfer route is very tough to nail down. When Ryan Taylor of Evansville announced he would grad transfer, at least 10 HM schools contacted him the first day.
Kingsby comes off the bench for Southern Idaho and is shooting 47% from the field, 40% from 3 and 78% from the line. I realize I've been following JUCO ball for a long time and stats are hard to gauge because they play more players. The stats in this paragraph are very good for a JUCO prospect and I also go by video and linked one in below. Kingsby also scored 22 and 25 points in the district semifinal and final.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OQ7--8RnSY
The first JUCO recruit I brought up on message boards after Haanif left the team was Indian Hills Shane Gatling who played a year at Niagara before opting to go to Indian Hills. District player on the year for the 33-0 #1 ranked team in NJCAA D1. He was a qualifier, obviously, so the academic questions aren't as huge. Would have played behind MAAC Player of the Year Kahlil Dukes and another guard was an all-conference choice at Niagara this year.
http://indianhills.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/bios/gatling_shane_kzf1
I don't expect the recruit this spring will be a starter.
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The staff could just as easily keeps tab by watching the live stream from Hutchinson this week, especially through Tuesday.
First of all I'm not necessarily advocating an offer because I don't know if Kingsby's classes will all transfer to MU, so it might be a waste to even mention him I guess. I'm just saying even though I would prefer a grad transfer, the JUCO route may be the best option because the grad transfer route is very tough to nail down. When Ryan Taylor of Evansville announced he would grad transfer, at least 10 HM schools contacted him the first day.
Kingsby comes off the bench for Southern Idaho and is shooting 47% from the field, 40% from 3 and 78% from the line. I realize I've been following JUCO ball for a long time and stats are hard to gauge because they play more players. The stats in this paragraph are very good for a JUCO prospect and I also go by video and linked one in below. Kingsby also scored 22 and 25 points in the district semifinal and final.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OQ7--8RnSY
The first JUCO recruit I brought up on message boards after Haanif left the team was Indian Hills Shane Gatling who played a year at Niagara before opting to go to Indian Hills. District player on the year for the 33-0 #1 ranked team in NJCAA D1. He was a qualifier, obviously, so the academic questions aren't as huge. Would have played behind MAAC Player of the Year Kahlil Dukes and another guard was an all-conference choice at Niagara this year.
http://indianhills.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/bios/gatling_shane_kzf1
I don't expect the recruit this spring will be a starter.
Interesting, would not be opposed to adding a JUCO guy at all. Does Wojo have any connections?
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Juco that's willing to be a solid back-up would be a decent option. Any grad-transfer is going to want significant minutes.
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Juco that's willing to be a solid back-up would be a decent option. Any grad-transfer is going to want significant minutes.
Agreed. And I don't know how the 'grad transfer recruiting network' works but I think several will eyeball the MU situation and be very intrigued.
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Agreed. And I don't know how the 'grad transfer recruiting network' works but I think several will eyeball the MU situation and be very intrigued.
As of the timing of this post, Ryan Taylor is the only big name guard option. We might hear of some more in the next couple weeks after the coaching jobs are filled and with the tournaments concluding.
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As of the timing of this post, Ryan Taylor is the only big name guard option. We might hear of some more in the next couple weeks after the coaching jobs are filled and with the tournaments concluding.
Yeah, but Taylor is more of a wing, where MU should be loaded next year (Sam, Sacar, Bailey, Cain, Elliott). Doesn't fill any needs here.
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Yeah, but Taylor more of a wing, where MU should be loaded next year (Sam, Sacar, Bailey, Cain, Elliott). Doesn't fill any needs here.
+1
Taylor is super high usage. Led the nation in percent of shots taken. Reminds me of a James Daniel type who did virtually nothing at Tennessee.
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At this late stage, it would be silly to add anybody for next season other than a PG who can handle, distribute and play D. If he can make FTs and hit the occasional jumper, that would be preferable.
In other words, I'm repeateing what folks (including me) have been saying for weeks.
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Super high usage and a pretty inefficient offensive player, with an ORtg of just 98.8 according to KenPom.com. No thank you.
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Yeah, but Taylor is more of a wing, where MU should be loaded next year (Sam, Sacar, Bailey, Cain, Elliott). Doesn't fill any needs here.
Correct and Marquette wasn't listed in the Tweet as a school that has contacted him.
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What do we think of this Fordham grad transfer PG? He is big (6’3”), has a very high assist rate, and was 2nd in the country in steal percentage. His offensive rating around 95 is not great but honestly on marquette, with a lighter workload, I’d imagine that going up substantially
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What do we think of this Fordham grad transfer PG? He is big (6’3”), has a very high assist rate, and was 2nd in the country in steal percentage. His offensive rating around 95 is not great but honestly on marquette, with a lighter workload, I’d imagine that going up substantially
Perris Hicks. Seemed to struggle as a back up PG for Fordham.
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I'm leery about a grad transfer from a program ranked 293rd in the country. That's about 100 spots lower than UNC-Asheville, where Rowsey transferred from.
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Perris Hicks. Seemed to struggle as a back up PG for Fordham.
He's talking about Joseph Chartouny. Relatively low usage PG who was top-100 in assist rate all three years. Not sure how his defense is, but he's been 1st or 2nd nationally in steal rate the last two years. Not a great shooter, but excellent rebounder for his size. Hesitant on mid majors, but might be worth a look.
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Oh him. That makes a lot more sense. Thanks!
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He's talking about Joseph Chartouny. Relatively low usage PG who was top-100 in assist rate all three years. Not sure how his defense is, but he's been 1st or 2nd nationally in steal rate the last two years. Not a great shooter, but excellent rebounder for his size. Hesitant on mid majors, but might be worth a look.
in 2016-17, he shot .415-.382-.759. This past season, he was down pretty significantly in all three categories (.371-.284-.697). He took roughly the same number of shots (less than 1 per game more, though a lot more FTs), but maybe he had to take more difficult shots this season.
He did shoot nearly 40% from 3 the previous year - and that was on nearly 5 attempts per game - so it's not like he's never been a decent shooter.
5.6 reb, 4.6 asst, 3.3 stl. And though he averaged 2.4 TO, that was down from 2.9 each of first two years.
6-3, 205, so not tiny and not skinny. Workhorse - averaged 36 mins this past year.
Sucked in most games against decent teams in the first 2/3 of the season, though he did have decent numbers against West Virginia. Over last 9 games, averaged 15 pts on .398 shooting (.350 on 3s), with 5.3 reb, 5.3 asst, 3 stl and only 1.9 TO. Really nice games vs. Davidson, VCU and Dayton in that stretch, which also was interrupted by an injury that cost him 2 games.
Just based on stats, definitely seems worth looking into.
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Apparently he is an excellent defender
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Rob Dauster
@RobDauster
Chartouny is a really good player. A terrific defender. He is going to help someone.
A 6'3 pass first point guard that averaged 5.6 rebounds and plays great defense. Can't find much of a better fit than that.
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Mr. Chartouny, how would you like to go to the Final Four?
We have an elite shooter at the 2, a do-everything 3 who will play in the NBA, a beast of a rebounder at the 4, one of the best incoming freshmen in the country at 3/4 (and 5 if we go small), several slashing wings with tremendous potential, and a couple of hard-working centers.
Come on out to play in the brand spankin' new Greek Freak Arena, and live your basketball dreams, baby! (P.S.: The Freak says he really likes your game!)
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Easy to pay him a visit once they're out in NYC next week.
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He sounds perfect to me.
Honestly I’ll if no “sure fire” point guards come to MU I hope Wojo would take a flier on a lesser grad transfer PG for depth. One year rental, scholarship opens back up after next season anyway. Little risk.
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All we need is BD to tell us to start changing our screen names.
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As long as we pound it into his head he’s not here to take a lot of shots
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As long as we pound it into his head he’s not here to take a lot of shots
That sounds like a great way to recruit someone.
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He sounds perfect to me.
Honestly I’ll if no “sure fire” point guards come to MU I hope Wojo would take a flier on a lesser grad transfer PG for depth. One year rental, scholarship opens back up after next season anyway. Little risk.
Agreed, taking a flier on a grad transfer is worst case scenario, and it's not all bad.
As an aside, most of America was rooting for Loyola, but those two buzzer beaters left me depressed. Way less likely Custer considers leaving now that he & that team are legends at the school.
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Agreed, taking a flier on a grad transfer is worst case scenario, and it's not all bad.
As an aside, most of America was rooting for Loyola, but those two buzzer beaters left me depressed. Way less likely Custer considers leaving now that he & that team are legends at the school.
Unless his coach gets poached
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That sounds like a great way to recruit someone.
It is.
Make sure their role is defined.
It’s great for us and great for him. Up to the recruit if they want to stay at a mid major taking the current shot volume.
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As long as we pound it into his head he’s not here to take a lot of shots
Does he read scoop?
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It is.
Make sure their role is defined.
It’s great for us and great for him. Up to the recruit if they want to stay at a mid major taking the current shot volume.
I prefer defining one's role in a more positive nature.
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I prefer defining one's role in a more positive nature.
I prefer having as good a team as possible.
He wouldn’t be here to shoot often. Let it be known.
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Well done 82.
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All that said, one of the strengths of Wojo and the coaching staff (Brett Nelson primarily, I think) is identifying and developing good shooters.
Marquette is currently 3rd in the country in 3-point percentage, after finishing 1st a season ago. Rowsey, Howard and Hauser are in the midst of rewriting the school record book for long-range shooting.
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I prefer having as good a team as possible.
He wouldn’t be here to shoot often. Let it be known.
I think we see why you're not a college sports recruiter.
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All that said, one of the strengths of Wojo and the coaching staff (Brett Nelson primarily, I think) is identifying and developing good shooters.
Marquette is currently 3rd in the country in 3-point percentage, after finishing 1st a season ago. Rowsey, Howard and Hauser are in the midst of rewriting the school record book for long-range shooting.
And Jamal Cain is shooting 47% from deep as a freshman (3.16% pre-conference, 55.9% in conference play & beyond)
And Heldt went from 55% & 56% FT his frosh/soph year to 87.5% this year
And Theo went from 31.6% from the FT line in 2017 to 70.6% in 2018 (6/19 before NYE, 12/17 after; small sample size but still...)
Developing shooters is certainly not a concern anyone should have with this staff!
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And Jamal Cain is shooting 47% from deep as a freshman (3.16% pre-conference, 55.9% in conference play & beyond)
And Heldt went from 55% & 56% FT his frosh/soph year to 87.5% this year
And Theo went from 31.6% from the FT line in 2017 to 70.6% in 2018 (6/19 before NYE, 12/17 after; small sample size but still...)
Developing shooters is certainly not a concern anyone should have with this staff!
Not a shooter
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I prefer defining one's role in a more positive nature.
Agreed. It isn't telling him not to shoot, it's saying we have an opening that was filled by a graduating senior who averaged 30 mpg and put up a 20/3/5 average line. That doesn't paint expectations, it presents opportunity.
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And Jamal Cain is shooting 47% from deep as a freshman (3.16% pre-conference, 55.9% in conference play & beyond)
And Heldt went from 55% & 56% FT his frosh/soph year to 87.5% this year
And Theo went from 31.6% from the FT line in 2017 to 70.6% in 2018 (6/19 before NYE, 12/17 after; small sample size but still...)
Developing shooters is certainly not a concern anyone should have with this staff!
Greg Elliott shot 8-for-16 (50%) from the line pre-Jan. 3. He's 28-for-30 (93%) since, including a run of 20 straight.
He shot 3-for-12 (25%) from beyond the arc pre-Jan. 3. He's 8-for-17 (47%) since.
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I find it hard to believe Custer would wind up at MU with or without a Rambler NCAA Tournament run.
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Greg Elliott shot 8-for-16 (50%) from the line pre-Jan. 3. He's 28-for-30 (93%) since, including a run of 20 straight.
He shot 3-for-12 (25%) from beyond the arc pre-Jan. 3. He's 8-for-17 (47%) since.
Keep tha fanger brokin a1n@?
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I guess they are practicing their free throws?!
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Agreed. It isn't telling him not to shoot, it's saying we have an opening that was filled by a graduating senior who averaged 30 mpg and put up a 20/3/5 average line. That doesn't paint expectations, it presents opportunity.
Yes, but that is leaving it up to the kids imagination that he is the guy to fill in that 20/3/5.
Sorry, but to say defining a kids role is wrong.....is simply wrong.
He wouldn’t be brought here to score a lot(at least I hope not) so yes the correct move would be telling him of the situation he would be in.
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Keyshawn Woods from Wake Forest is grad transferring. 6'3" averaging 11.9 ppg and is a capable shooter. Hasn't played point because they have Crawford so he's probably not what we are looking for.
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Keyshawn Woods from Wake Forest is grad transferring. 6'3" averaging 11.9 ppg and is a capable shooter. Hasn't played point because they have Crawford so he's probably not what we are looking for.
North Carolina ties... 6'3"... good shooter... pick him up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoPPNpPa0mY
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Greg Elliott shot 8-for-16 (50%) from the line pre-Jan. 3. He's 28-for-30 (93%) since, including a run of 20 straight.
He shot 3-for-12 (25%) from beyond the arc pre-Jan. 3. He's 8-for-17 (47%) since.
Wow, totally miseed that, that is incredible too
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Not a shooter
haha I see what you did there
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Keyshawn Woods from Wake Forest is grad transferring. 6'3" averaging 11.9 ppg and is a capable shooter. Hasn't played point because they have Crawford so he's probably not what we are looking for.
Finally checked this guy out. TERRIBLE defender. Like, worse than Rowsey bad. He would help with some of our distribution concerns but would add to our defensive woes.
That Fordham cat though....sign me up
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Haven't we signed the Fordham dude yet?
Don't make me change my Scoop handle, young man!!
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Anybody keeping a list of guys who have actually announced they'd be grad transferring that are potential high majors players?
If so, please share.
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Anybody keeping a list of guys who have actually announced they'd be grad transferring that are potential high majors players?
If so, please share.
Patience, PT will have their free agent tracker up soon
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Patience, PT will have their free agent tracker up soon
I will try. Patience isn't one of my strong suits.
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Patience, PT will have their free agent tracker up soon
Sounds dumb and dangerous
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Patience, PT will have their free agent tracker up soon
Will the headline for this, as well as the content of the tracker be submitted to the Athletic Department for approval?
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Justin Coleman from Sanford.
PG, 11th in the country in assist rate.
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Justin Coleman from Sanford.
PG, 11th in the country in assist rate.
He's 5'10"... I, for one, am tired the double-midget backcourt.
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He's 5'10"... I, for one, am tired the double-midget backcourt.
Yes I would like to aim Higher.
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He's 5'10"... I, for one, am tired the double-midget backcourt.
me too...but i have zero confidence in anyone else on the team to be handling the ball next year. hope markus and/or greg make me eat my words.
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Yes I would like to aim Higher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAtfpvoltHM
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I, for one, am tired the double-midget backcourt.
I think we all feel that way but beggars can’t be choosers. How many solid 6’2+ pgs will be available? We obviously won’t be the only suitor for a quality big pg.
The more challenging question is what would you rather have:
-midget backcourt with small grad transfer pg and Markus at the 2
Or
-Markus at pg and sacar/ge at the 2
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAtfpvoltHM
Thanks.
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He's 5'10"... I, for one, am tired the double-midget backcourt.
I checked out Sam Hauser's Twitter the other day and read the retweet of the UNI point guard from Germantown deciding to transfer to be closer to home. As soon as I saw his 5'1o" listed height, I'm like, "Noooooooo." I was relieved to read he's most likely headed to UWM.
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Jaylyn Patterson LSU PG
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136216/jalyn-patterson
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So much for this thread. See you in October!
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So much for this thread. See you in October!
Yeah, don't get on a plane with these Guys.
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The you g man from Fordham would be intriguing, like his defense and size. Coming from Firdham one woukd think he might want to spend a year at a program with a chance to win, ala Paschall
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The you g man from Fordham would be intriguing, like his defense and size. Coming from Firdham one woukd think he might want to spend a year at a program with a chance to win, ala Paschall
I like the Fordham kid a lot. I'd imagine Wojo and Co do too. But I am sure many coaches are in line.
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Could we get this thread back on topic?
I think many of us would appreciate it
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Could we get this thread back on topic?
I think many of us would appreciate it
Are you serious? I mean, have you SEEN the Greg Eliot/Thumb Surgery thread? Or how about the Loyola thread and the many others that start out as one topic and then devolve into Fire Wojo threads?
Hoping we're hot on the Fordham guy, who's name I have no idea how to pronounce but for some reason I want to call him Cartoon-y.
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Hoping we're hot on the Fordham guy, who's name I have no idea how to pronounce but for some reason I want to call him Cartoon-y.
Chartouney is a french name.
Marquette is a french name.
#donedeal
;D
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Chartouney is a french name.
Marquette is a french name.
#donedeal
;D
CHARTOUNEY is a wine, we only recruit beer drinkers. Back to the drawing board.
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CHARTOUNEY is a wine, we only recruit beer drinkers. Back to the drawing board.
I think you are thinking of Chardonnay...
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I think you are thinking of Chardonnay...
After a few glasses, it comes out as Chartooney... ;)
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I think you are thinking of Chardonnay...
Still little sense of humor. Cartoon-ey had me laughing.
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Are you serious? I mean, have you SEEN the Greg Eliot/Thumb Surgery thread? Or how about the Loyola thread and the many others that start out as one topic and then devolve into Fire Wojo threads?
Almost like what happens in real life. :)
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Are you serious? I mean, have you SEEN the Greg Eliot/Thumb Surgery thread? Or how about the Loyola thread and the many others that start out as one topic and then devolve into Fire Wojo threads?
Hoping we're hot on the Fordham guy, who's name I have no idea how to pronounce but for some reason I want to call him Cartoon-y.
At least those are still on the topic of basketball, not favorite movies.
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If we can bring in Chartouny, or another grad trasnfer that is of his caliber, I see no reason why we shouldn't consistently be top 25 and at least top 3 Big East next year.
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At least those are still on the topic of basketball, not favorite movies.
Haha in what way is discussing your favorite submarine sandwich related to basketball? ;)
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....or another grad trasnfer that is of his caliber...
I'm becoming increasingly less convinced of this logic. What changed my mind was the "Minutes" thread. There just aren't enough minutes for ANOTHER starting quality player, so bringing someone in pretty much guarantees we lose someone else. We have two pretty clear starters at guard (Markus and Sacar) and two backups (Greg and Jamal). Because of the huge log-jam at the 3-4-5 spots in the lineup we only need two guards on the floor at one time. Greg and Sacar aren't going to be sliding up to the 3 like they did at times this year, maybe Jamal. We just need a little more depth behind the few guards we have.
What I would prefer is a back-up point that we can trust when Markus comes out of the game and who can occasionally play alongside him. Maybe a 8-12 mpg kinda player. Could that be a freshman? A mid-level grad? A JUCO? Why not?
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Yeah I don't think adding a grad transfer PLUS another grad transfer or JUCO makes sense.
A grad transfer and a traditional transfer makes a lot of sense however.
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Haha in what way is discussing your favorite submarine sandwich related to basketball? ;)
Referring to your Fire Wojo comment. ;)
I lose interest quickly when threads get off topic and usually don't read. Checked back on the grad transfer thread for some real info, but nope still Spaceballs.
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Still little sense of humor. Cartoon-ey had me laughing.
Sorry it didn't seem like a joke. I honestly didn't think you knew how to spell it, I didn't either, had to look it up to be sure
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I'm becoming increasingly less convinced of this logic. What changed my mind was the "Minutes" thread. There just aren't enough minutes for ANOTHER starting quality player, so bringing someone in pretty much guarantees we lose someone else. We have two pretty clear starters at guard (Markus and Sacar) and two backups (Greg and Jamal). Because of the huge log-jam at the 3-4-5 spots in the lineup we only need two guards on the floor at one time. Greg and Sacar aren't going to be sliding up to the 3 like they did at times this year, maybe Jamal. We just need a little more depth behind the few guards we have.
What I would prefer is a back-up point that we can trust when Markus comes out of the game and who can occasionally play alongside him. Maybe a 8-12 mpg kinda player. Could that be a freshman? A mid-level grad? A JUCO? Why not?
. How about the possibility of a foreign player?
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If players want to leave because the talent on the roster overwhelmed them and put them on the bench I'm all for it. I'd never pass on a guy who could start from day one because someone already on the roster might eventually leave the team because his minutes were eaten into.
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. How about the possibility of a foreign player?
Fine by me.
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If players want to leave because the talent on the roster overwhelmed them and put them on the bench I'm all for it. I'd never pass on a guy who could start from day one because someone already on the roster might eventually leave the team because his minutes were eaten into.
This is it exactly...I know a lot of people have a problem with kids leaving...but you know what?? I want the most possible talent they can have. If that causes lessor players to leave, so be it, that's just the way it is. Give me as much talent as possible, and whatever happens to the lessor talented guys, happens.
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If players want to leave because the talent on the roster overwhelmed them and put them on the bench I'm all for it. I'd never pass on a guy who could start from day one because someone already on the roster might eventually leave the team because his minutes were eaten into.
This, of course.
Get the best players you can. The rest will sort itself out.
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^^^ can't wait to hear some of you flip when someone transfers
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This is it exactly...I know a lot of people have a problem with kids leaving...but you know what?? I want the most possible talent they can have. If that causes lessor players to leave, so be it, that's just the way it is. Give me as much talent as possible, and whatever happens to the lessor talented guys, happens.
If a grad transfer comes in for one year and that pushes Greg or Jamal to the bench so he transfers and we lose three years of rising star, then hell yeah I have a problem with that.
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If a grad transfer comes in for one year and that pushes Greg or Jamal to the bench so he transfers and we lose three years of rising star, then hell yeah I have a problem with that.
If Greg or Jamal can't be patient for a year to regain their playing time, that's on them. Is it about winning, or is it about them?? Chances are however when this occurs, someone lower on the depth chart is one that transfers.
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If Greg or Jamal can't be patient for a year to regain their playing time, that's on them. Is it about winning, or is it about them?? Chances are however when this occurs, someone lower on the depth chart is one that transfers.
The problem is that they do not know who will come in to replace the grad transfer after a year. No guarantee that waiting a year will result in them starting.
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If players want to leave because the talent on the roster overwhelmed them and put them on the bench I'm all for it. I'd never pass on a guy who could start from day one because someone already on the roster might eventually leave the team because his minutes were eaten into.
I think getting multiple one year rentals that may cause other players to become frustrated and transfer is a problem. It's one thing to get a stop-gap that fills a hole on the roster for a year.
^^^ can't wait to hear some of you flip when someone transfers
Yep.
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If a grad transfer comes in for one year and that pushes Greg or Jamal to the bench so he transfers and we lose three years of rising star, then hell yeah I have a problem with that.
Funny how some want to stay the course and be patient with our coach, yet don't have the same patience for our kids.
That said, full agree with your take. We continue to talk about how "young" we are as a team. This trend will continue if guys feel they are recruited over, don't like their role, or see their role diminished as a result of a grad transfer...all of Traci Carter, Duane Wilson, Haanif fall in this realm.
On the surface it sounds great - yea, get the best possible player/talent, and if the guys on the roster don't like it, tough. Problem with that thinking is, we will perpetually be young and unbalanced in our classes.
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Funny how some want to stay the course and be patient with our coach, yet don't have the same patience for our kids.
That said, full agree with your take. We continue to talk about how "young" we are as a team. This trend will continue if guys feel they are recruited over, don't like their role, or see their role diminished as a result of a grad transfer...all of Traci Carter, Duane Wilson, Haanif fall in this realm.
On the surface it sounds great - yea, get the best possible player/talent, and if the guys on the roster don't like it, tough. Problem with that thinking is, we will perpetually be young and unbalanced in our classes.
Serious question: Which of the recruits Wojo brought in would you have passed on so we at least theoretically could have kept Carter, Wilson and/or Cheatham?
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Serious question: Which of the recruits Wojo brought in would you have passed on so we at least theoretically could have kept Carter, Wilson and/or Cheatham?
Do you find it at all ironic that you are a beacon of patience with our head coach, (saying we don't know what we have in him as a coach after 4 years), but have NO problem whatsoever with churning our kids? AND you also lament that we are so "young?"
A grad transfer AT THIS POINT, on THIS roster, could be disruptive, and adversely affect the program bigger picture.
It is unfortunate that Wojo could NOT sell Carter on staying. When Traci signed there was no Markus, not even sure if there was Rowsey at that point either. Would I trade Traci for either of those guys? No. But, sure as hell would have liked for Wojo to be able to have sold Traci the vision of redshirting this year and taking the reigns full time next year.
I was okay with Duane and Haanif leaving, as Sacar and Jamal are better/higher ceiling than Haanif. Duane would not have had much of a role this year.
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Not taking a grad transfer does not guarantee there are no transfers either. Heck, Odartey Blankson transferred a month after being named a captain! You just never know what kids are going to decide.
There's no guarantee that Elliott and Cain develop as hoped.
There's no guarantee that Marquette guards remain healthy and avoid a season derailing injury or two.
Wojo has to put forth the best team he can next year. Worry about the year after when the time comes.
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Do you find it at all ironic that you are a beacon of patience with our head coach, (saying we don't know what we have in him as a coach after 4 years), but have NO problem whatsoever with churning our kids? AND you also lament that we are so "young?"
A grad transfer AT THIS POINT, on THIS roster, could be disruptive, and adversely affect the program bigger picture.
It is unfortunate that Wojo could NOT sell Carter on staying. When Traci signed there was no Markus, not even sure if there was Rowsey at that point either. Would I trade Traci for either of those guys? No. But, sure as hell would have liked for Wojo to be able to have sold Traci the vision of redshirting this year and taking the reigns full time next year.
I was okay with Duane and Haanif leaving, as Sacar and Jamal are better/higher ceiling than Haanif. Duane would not have had much of a role this year.
So ... your answer to my question - Which of the recruits Wojo brought in would you have passed on so we at least theoretically could have kept Carter, Wilson and/or Cheatham? - is you wouldn't have passed on any of them. So you would have done the same thing Wojo did. But that doesn't stop you from taking shots at Wojo's method of building the team.
Also, please show proof that I have "lamented we are so young." Thanks.
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If players want to leave because the talent on the roster overwhelmed them and put them on the bench I'm all for it. I'd never pass on a guy who could start from day one because someone already on the roster might eventually leave the team because his minutes were eaten into.
While this idea works in theory, at some point experience wins out over talent. This is why Kentucky does not win the National Championship every year. Now I'm not saying that a Senior Sandy would have helped very much this year, or a Senior Traci would help very much next year, but I would be disappointed if of this years freshman class, at least 3 of the 4 spend all 4 (or 5 in Ike's case) years with the program.
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Serious question: Which of the recruits Wojo brought in would you have passed on so we at least theoretically could have kept Carter, Wilson and/or Cheatham?
I'll play the game here. I would have passed on Eke to have retained Tracy. Could have passed on Harry as well. We have an overload of front court players which will lead to (and already has in the case of Harry) people leaving the program. As for Hannif his ship is the one currently available for a Grad transfer. If Hannif stays and we have Traci entering his junior year I'm perfectly comfortable with NOT having room for a Grad transfer in fact I wouldn't even want one. Traci and Markus as the primary ball handlers with Hannif and Greg if someone is in foul trouble is a solid rotation. Put those guys back on the team along with Joey and the existing cast and you have very solid team.
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Well we could have had Harry AND Traci. Keeping Traci would have cost us one of the three freshmen - Eke being the most obvious one to choose HOWEVER Greg took the last scholarship. I would much rather have Greg than Traci.
Regardless I am not sure Traci is as good as some people think he is. We will see. But he turned the ball over a ton and wasn't that great defensively.
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Jaylyn Patterson LSU PG
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136216/jalyn-patterson
Grad transfer eligible? I see three years of stats, but did he redshirt?
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Regardless I am not sure Traci is as good as some people think he is. We will see. But he turned the ball over a ton and wasn't that great defensively.
Turned the ball over a ton? His A/TO ratio was 2.1 to 1. And that was as a frosh and a few games as a soph. By comparison, Rowsey was 1.7 to 1 as a senior and Howard was 1.1 to 1 as a soph.
I don't know how this season would have turned out if Traci was still here, but I'd bet it wouldn't have been a turnover-fest.
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Grad transfer eligible? I see three years of stats, but did he redshirt?
He redshirted this year.
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Turned the ball over a ton? His A/TO ratio was 2.1 to 1. And that was as a frosh and a few games as a soph. By comparison, Rowsey was 1.7 to 1 as a senior and Howard was 1.1 to 1 as a soph.
I don't know how this season would have turned out if Traci was still here, but I'd bet it wouldn't have been a turnover-fest.
Traci's Turnover % while at MU: 29.1
Markus: 14.6
Andrew: 12.7
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Grad transfer eligible? I see three years of stats, but did he redshirt?
Yes, this year
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Traci's Turnover % while at MU: 29.1
Markus: 14.6
Andrew: 12.7
Humm, maybe that's why he transferred down.
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He redshirted this year.
Yes, this year
Thanks
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Mike Cunningham. USC Upstate PG.
Averaged 13.7 and 3 assists this year, 13.4 and 3.1 as a sophomore. Listed at 6 foot 1. No idea if he can play any D, but I'd imagine he'd at least be worth looking into.
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I'll play the game here. I would have passed on Eke to have retained Tracy. Could have passed on Harry as well. We have an overload of front court players which will lead to (and already has in the case of Harry) people leaving the program. As for Hannif his ship is the one currently available for a Grad transfer. If Hannif stays and we have Traci entering his junior year I'm perfectly comfortable with NOT having room for a Grad transfer in fact I wouldn't even want one. Traci and Markus as the primary ball handlers with Hannif and Greg if someone is in foul trouble is a solid rotation. Put those guys back on the team along with Joey and the existing cast and you have very solid team.
Thanks for playing NAA. See sultan's response below.
And I admit ... I keep forgetting about Eke! Out of sight, out of mind and all that.
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Ike was the first recruit in the class well before Cain, Theo and Elliott. Timing counts. On top of that, he agreed to redshirt. Let's not forget any of that.
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Me too. Was looking at this pic of MBB and women's LAX at the men's LAX game and it took me a few minutes to figure out who the other tall guy in the back was.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZE2UWzXUAARhKY.jpg:large)
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Mike Cunningham. USC Upstate PG.
Averaged 13.7 and 3 assists this year, 13.4 and 3.1 as a sophomore. Listed at 6 foot 1. No idea if he can play any D, but I'd imagine he'd at least be worth looking into.
USC Upstate is really bad.... Like really bad.... The transition to Big East would be rough. Fine with kicking the tires but hope we do better
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USC Upstate is really bad.... Like really bad.... The transition to Big East would be rough. Fine with kicking the tires but hope we do better
Yah....just appears to be one of the better PG options at this point. Admittedly no idea if he's any good, can't say I've watched any USC Upstate, but he was clearly their best player.
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Yah....just appears to be one of the better PG options at this point. Admittedly no idea if he's any good, can't say I've watched any USC Upstate, but he was clearly their best player.
I have him pretty low on my list. Somewhere around the 25th best available grad transfer. A few PGs ahead of him. Think the staff really like the French Canadian
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I have him pretty low on my list. Somewhere around the 25th best available grad transfer. A few PGs ahead of him. Think the staff really like the French Canadian
Hope so regarding the bolded. Would be a great fit.
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Cunningham had negative defensive win shares this year. That is against the A-Sun.
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Ike was the first recruit in the class well before Cain, Theo and Elliott. Timing counts. On top of that, he agreed to redshirt. Let's not forget any of that.
Kind of parallels Grayson Allen's being the first to sign in the Recruiting class at Duke. Hope Ike has some similar success.
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Cunningham had negative defensive win shares this year. That is against the A-Sun.
Yah...no thanks.
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This dude from Norfolk State....he's short....but he is a demon on defense. Did it at the MEAC level....Big East is a lot different. Might kick the tires on him. Also need to check on his back, it kept him out this past season.
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Christen Cunningham 6'2 190 Samford
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/christian-cunningham-1.html
5th in NCAA Assists 2016/17
Limited last year due to an illness?
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Just go get Chartouny.
Then we all can celebrate with a Chardonnay.
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I have him pretty low on my list. Somewhere around the 25th best available grad transfer. A few PGs ahead of him. Think the staff really like the French Canadian
Let's see that list, bruh.
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https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/979096886920515584?s=21
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https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/979096886920515584?s=21
So we would have an Anim and an Amin?
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So we would have an Anim and an Amin?
With all the people that already spell or pronounce Anim as Amin, and the number that would likely spell or pronounce Amin as Anim, things would get really confusing around here.
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Now that we have 2 schollies, probably makes sense to start tracking traditional transfers as well. I'd imagine ( / I hope) we get 1 of each.
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Didn't know where to put this but Max Strus (The guy from DePaul who killed Marquette) declared for the NBA draft but didn't hire an agent.
Obviously he wouldn't come to Marquette but just found it interesting. Wouldn't shock me if he and Eli Cain transferred leaving DePaul in even more of a hole.
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Didn't know where to put this but Max Strus (The guy from DePaul who killed Marquette) declared for the NBA draft but didn't hire an agent. Obviously he wouldn't come to Marquette but just found it interesting.
My guess is there will be a lot of those. Highly unlikely Strus goes anywhere. Wouldn't surprise me if Markus did the same.
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Speaking of potential transfer, I feel pretty good, aside from the big kid who left, that we do not lose anyone else this year. Curious if anyone has heard anything differently. I have no inside on this, just my gut. Years past I had feeling of losing guys and not this year.
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Texas A&M-Corpus Christi grad guard transfer
https://twitter.com/goldeneagles_mu/status/979102514866999298?s=21
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Speaking of potential transfer, I feel pretty good, aside from the big kid who left, that we do not lose anyone else this year. Curious if anyone has heard anything differently. I have no inside on this, just my gut. Years past I had feeling of losing guys and not this year.
No rumors and it would seem like everyone else would be happy. All the returning players got time, the three redshirts will get a chance, and it seems like Bailey is actually coming, contrary to some old beliefs. And even if the staff adds a grad transfer PG and traditional transfer, that shouldn't mess with anyone's happy.
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Let's see that list, bruh.
Bruh, I'm working as fast as I can. We're averaging like 20 new transfers a day at this point. I'm hoping to have the first installment on PT this weekend.
Now that we have 2 schollies, probably makes sense to start tracking traditional transfers as well. I'd imagine ( / I hope) we get 1 of each.
I'm working on a list of those too ;D
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Bruh, I'm working as fast as I can. We're averaging like 20 new transfers a day at this point. I'm hoping to have the first installment on PT this weekend.
I'm working on a list of those too ;D
We all bow to you, Sir TAMU.
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Well, well, well... look at who Wojo has started following on Twitter.
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Well, well, well... look at who Wojo has started following on Twitter.
Who would that be for those of us that don't use Twitter?
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Well, well, well... look at who Wojo has started following on Twitter.
Spaceballs?
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Well, well, well... look at who Wojo has started following on Twitter.
Who would that be for those of us that don't use Twitter?
I told y'all. Wojo is a big fan of French Canadian wines.
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I would feel 10,000X better going into next season with this young man on the roster.
Additionally, i think MU may be an appealing opportunity for him both on the court n off. On the court is clear, off the court both jesuit institutions with very similar campuses, so i would think that would be appealing to him. Unless of course he didnt like Fordham. No Arthur avenue tho i must admit 😢
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Well, well, well... look at who Wojo has started following on Twitter.
Please god let this happen.
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Traditional transfer, but Malachi Flynn looks like a name that will be highly sought after out of Washington State. Sit 1, play 2.
(https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/malachi-flynn-1.html)
Upper Northwest kid, so I could see the Zags.
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Question about grad transfer/traditional transfer recruiting in general.
I know with high-school recruits, we all pay attention to who's at the high school games/ AAU games etc. With both traditional transfers and grad transfers, they obviously aren't playing anymore so what is the main media for contacting/ recruiting? I can't imagine that last year Wojo just headed off to Nebraska in the middle of the season to recruit Ed, so is the contact just over text/tweet/phone calls, or does Wojo actually arrange to go out and meet them face to face, and is the meeting just a conversation somewhere on the recruits campus, or do they go get a pick-up game going? I would think that there's enough footage out there that coaches wouldn't need to see them perform on the court anymore. Also if they meet face-to-face who is all allowed to be there? I would think bringing Markus or Sam along on a pitch to a potential grad transfer could only help things, but I understand that they have class/surgery in Sams case.
Not familiar with how the process works, trying to learn more.
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First the player needs to get a release...supposedly.
My understanding is a lot of this happens through third parties. AAU coaches, etc. But transfers do take visits. Ed visited MU in late April last year before committing in May.
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I would feel 10,000X better going into next season with this young man on the roster.
Additionally, i think MU may be an appealing opportunity for him both on the court n off. On the court is clear, off the court both jesuit institutions with very similar campuses, so i would think that would be appealing to him. Unless of course he didnt like Fordham. No Arthur avenue tho i must admit 😢
I would definitely take the guy but... he's put up Derrick Wilson-esque offensive efficiency with a pretty high turnover rate and middling shooting #s. I like the steals but... can he play positional point of attack D and fight through ball screens on a pick & roll? I honestly don't know, would love if the answer is yes.
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I would definitely take the guy but... he's put up Derrick Wilson-esque offensive efficiency with a pretty high turnover rate and middling shooting #s. I like the steals but... can he play positional point of attack D and fight through ball screens on a pick & roll? I honestly don't know, would love if the answer is yes.
Dont know from what i heard he is a solid perimeter defender. Not so concerned about the scoring, last year 3 player scored all of our points. Next year two of them return, we proved not all 5 have to score. Additionally if our defense wasnt so horrid, we wouldnt need to score 90! To win a bball game. Next year with turnover Howard we would need to score 100 and we would not score as much becuase he puts his head down n dribbles until he loses it or drives or chucks. Then runs back and gets blown by. Need a defender up top
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Question about grad transfer/traditional transfer recruiting in general.
I know with high-school recruits, we all pay attention to who's at the high school games/ AAU games etc. With both traditional transfers and grad transfers, they obviously aren't playing anymore so what is the main media for contacting/ recruiting? I can't imagine that last year Wojo just headed off to Nebraska in the middle of the season to recruit Ed, so is the contact just over text/tweet/phone calls, or does Wojo actually arrange to go out and meet them face to face, and is the meeting just a conversation somewhere on the recruits campus, or do they go get a pick-up game going? I would think that there's enough footage out there that coaches wouldn't need to see them perform on the court anymore. Also if they meet face-to-face who is all allowed to be there? I would think bringing Markus or Sam along on a pitch to a potential grad transfer could only help things, but I understand that they have class/surgery in Sams case.
Not familiar with how the process works, trying to learn more.
A great question and I'd be curious to hear someone shed some light on it.
I remember with Trent Lockett, Buzz had dinner with him and went through how we'd use him on an iPad there at the table.
Would be interesting if coaches brought along/could bring along current players in their pitches to grad transfers.
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I would definitely take the guy but... he's put up Derrick Wilson-esque offensive efficiency with a pretty high turnover rate and middling shooting #s. I like the steals but... can he play positional point of attack D and fight through ball screens on a pick & roll? I honestly don't know, would love if the answer is yes.
A backcourt of Howard, Elliott and this guy would be great. We don't need him to score. You can bring in Cain or Sam to go big as well.
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I'd like to do better than this kid...a stud would be nice. I mean he'd be okay I suppose, but nothing that will "wow" you.
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I'd like to do better than this kid...a stud would be nice. I mean he'd be okay I suppose, but nothing that will "wow" you.
I think he is one of the better options that plays PG at this juncture, but surely there are more names to come. We don't really need a scoring stud. We need a defensive stud that can move the ball. I'd love to find a guy that can do both (and play point), but there is probably only going to be a couple options, and they're going to be very highly coveted.
I think Chartouny seems like a great fit. Go get a sexy stud traditional transfer with the 2nd opening.
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I'd like to do better than this kid...a stud would be nice. I mean he'd be okay I suppose, but nothing that will "wow" you.
Sounds awesome! Who is that stud you’re referring to?
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I'd like to do better than this kid...a stud would be nice. I mean he'd be okay I suppose, but nothing that will "wow" you.
He's in the top 5 of grad transfers currently available. You might be overestimating the number of "studs" who grad transfer
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I'd like to do better than this kid...a stud would be nice.
Sign me up!
Is Landry Shamet grad-transferring out of Wichita State after 2 years and ready to commit to Marquette?
How about Brunson? He must be ready to leave those losers and come to a real program!
Gonzaga's Josh Perkins? Penn State's Tony Carr?
Hey, maybe Chris Paul still has some eligibility left!
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I would definitely take the guy but... he's put up Derrick Wilson-esque offensive efficiency with a pretty high turnover rate and middling shooting #s. I like the steals but... can he play positional point of attack D and fight through ball screens on a pick & roll? I honestly don't know, would love if the answer is yes.
Check out the numbers from his junior year. Offensive talent is there. Put him on a team where he's the 4th or 5th scoring option, that efficiency will climb...while he distributes and defends. Think he could be an 8 point, 5 assist, 2 steal a game kind of player for us
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Sign me up for Chartouney. 6-3, good defender, a distributor to get the ball to Markus, Sam, Joey, & company. I like the fit.
Expectations would be the PG version of Trent Lockett.
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I would definitely take the guy but... he's put up Derrick Wilson-esque offensive efficiency with a pretty high turnover rate and middling shooting #s. I like the steals but... can he play positional point of attack D and fight through ball screens on a pick & roll? I honestly don't know, would love if the answer is yes.
His efficiency is poor but he was on terrible teams. He did post a higher (albeit sightly) offensive efficiency than the team offensive efficiency in each season. Not saying he'd be Rowsey, but I'm confident he'd improve his offensive efficiency in our offense.
My main confidences in him are his defensive reputation and the number of scouts and journalists that seem to think he's a high-major talent. Also, the interest from Purdue, Iowa, and Nevada indicates solid programs believe he can play at a higher level.
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I love the idea of this guy. You want Markus on the floor as much as you can. Add Chartouney and he can distribute the ball and set Markus up for shots. But the key is you now have a taller bigger guard on the defensive end to defend the other teams highest scoring guard and be up top for switches on the PaR. When Chartouney goes to the bench you bring in Elliott as the second ball handler, Markus plays the point for a few minutes but you still have Elliott as the bigger guard. You'd only have to play Elliott at PG in some unusual situations like foul trouble.
I think this kid plugs a huge hole with experience and a good defender. We still need to add a traditional transfer PG this year or a very good HS kid to sign in the Fall to play the same role the following year. I think Elliott will turn out to be a good player but don't want to completely rely on him or Markus to be the 30 minutes/game PG. Any decent team needs 3 guys who can handle the ball.
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You guys paint a very nice picture and I must admit, the prospect of a 6' 4" pass-first PG that defends well next to 6'7" Cain or 6'3" Elliott as a running mate and the Hausers/Morrow/Theo on the wing/block is quite tantalizing. Scoring plus D & athelticsism. Then if Nelson stays and can do for his shooting what he did with Cain/Elliott/Theo 1st to 2nd semester this year and Heldt's FT stroke from soph to junior year, that's a really high upside squad.
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I'd like to do better than this kid...a stud would be nice. I mean he'd be okay I suppose, but nothing that will "wow" you.
The only other obvious stud on the radar right now is Custer... and I'm thinking when those two buzzer beaters went in against Miami & Tennessee that ship sailed unfortunately. Either he stays for another run at it, or follows Moser to X.
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Y y'all tink sum stud wood reely wanna play here, given udder options, hey?
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Y y'all tink sum stud wood reely wanna play here, given udder options, hey?
Why not? Wojo has proven himself to be a pretty good recruiter.
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You guys paint a very nice picture and I must admit, the prospect of a 6' 4" pass-first PG that defends well next to 6'7" Cain or 6'3" Elliott as a running mate and the Hausers/Morrow/Theo on the wing/block is quite tantalizing.
Chartouney is not putting Markus on the bench except for short periods. Markus is still the team leader and will be the leading scorer. What is nice is that this team appeared better on defense and rebounding when we had ONE but not BOTH of the sub 6' guards in the game. That now becomes the way we always play.(and short stints with no sub 6' players) If Elliott played only a little more than he did this year and even Sam played a little less that would be great for the team next year.
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Y y'all tink sum stud wood reely wanna play here, given udder options, hey?
The other options being...?
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I would definitely take the guy but... he's put up Derrick Wilson-esque offensive efficiency with a pretty high turnover rate and middling shooting #s. I like the steals but... can he play positional point of attack D and fight through ball screens on a pick & roll? I honestly don't know, would love if the answer is yes.
Agree. Not sure why people are super stoked over Chartouny? Plays on 292nd best team. Poor shooter. Relatively low usage. 94.9 O-Rating.
Now, he was 2nd best in Steal Percentage.
The differential between Rowsey and this guy is HUGE. Our offense won't be anywhere close to what we were last season. Looks for Sam and Markus will be much more difficult to come by. Driving lanes for Sacar won't be nearly as available.
If we can't step up to be a Top 50 team defensively next season, think we will be an NIT team once again.
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Chartouney is not putting Markus on the bench except for short periods. Markus is still the team leader and will be the leading scorer. What is nice is that this team appeared better on defense and rebounding when we had ONE but not BOTH of the sub 6' guards in the game. That now becomes the way we always play.(and short stints with no sub 6' players) If Elliott played only a little more than he did this year and even Sam played a little less that would be great for the team next year.
My guy, I'm referring to the 10 mpg that Markus will be on the bench or in cases of foul trouble.
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Agree. Not sure why people are super stoked over Chartouny? Plays on 292nd best team. Poor shooter. Relatively low usage. 94.9 O-Rating.
Now, he was 2nd best in Steal Percentage.
The differential between Rowsey and this guy is HUGE. Our offense won't be anywhere close to what we were last season. Looks for Sam and Markus will be much more difficult to come by. Driving lanes for Sacar won't be nearly as available.
If we can't step up to be a Top 50 team defensively next season, think we will be an NIT team once again.
A low usage distributor is ideal for a team with two lead scorer types in Howard and Hauser and other scoring options like Anim and Morrow already in the fold.
100th percentile in steals, 98th percentile in defensive efficiency. So...do you WANT defensive improvement, or not?
Our offense was at its best when Rowsey was a distributor. All we need is a guy that can play great defense, create for others, and keep the defense honest. That seems to be Chartouny.
And again, you talk about wanting defensive improvement while simultaneously dismissing the best defensive grad transfer available. Not sure if serious...
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A low usage distributor is ideal for a team with two lead scorer types in Howard and Hauser and other scoring options like Anim and Morrow already in the fold.
And Joey.
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A low usage distributor is ideal for a team with two lead scorer types in Howard and Hauser and other scoring options like Anim and Morrow already in the fold.
100th percentile in steals, 98th percentile in defensive efficiency. So...do you WANT defensive improvement, or not?
Our offense was at its best when Rowsey was a distributor. All we need is a guy that can play great defense, create for others, and keep the defense honest. That seems to be Chartouny.
And again, you talk about wanting defensive improvement while simultaneously dismissing the best defensive grad transfer available. Not sure if serious...
My take is simply watch what happens to the scoring opportunities for Markus, Sam, Sacar when you have a Derrick Wilson-esque PG on the floor. Now, Chartouney certainly has more offensive skill than Derrick, but, he's subpar offensively without question.
The notion that we were at our best when "Andrew was distributing," is great - but he was also scoring 23 a game WHILE distributing. Rowsey's assist rate is identical to Chartouney.
Sure, I want us to be better than 175th defensively, and my view was we could have been better than that this past season, with not playing the midgets together AS much, and playing zone with Cain playing 30 minutes per game.
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Brew is right......offense survived losing Luke, JJ, Reinhardt and Duane. Was still Elite ......it can certainly still be very good to Elite with a defensive pg who can distribute and is also capable of scoring.
We will have of plenty of scoring options next year......adding Joey and Ed.....bigger usage from other guys like Cain, Elliott and Sam.
I'm.not worried about the offense.......if this guy can guard at an elite level, take care of the ball and find our shooters sign me up.
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Well we could have had Harry AND Traci. Keeping Traci would have cost us one of the three freshmen - Eke being the most obvious one to choose HOWEVER Greg took the last scholarship. I would much rather have Greg than Traci.
Regardless I am not sure Traci is as good as some people think he is. We will see. But he turned the ball over a ton and wasn't that great defensively.
I will postulate that Traci will put up better numbers than what Chartouney put up this past season in the A-10.
Traci was Tony Miller 2.0. Unfortunately, Wojo didn't hand him the reigns to be the PG at MU from Day 1. Oddly Wojo wanted to square peg Haanif into that role. And then, Year 2, Traci got benched in favor or Markus/Rowsey.
Good old Thomas Bilde had it right on the broadcasts of our games on the Italian Summer trip - The Engine.
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My take is simply watch what happens to the scoring opportunities for Markus, Sam, Sacar when you have a Derrick Wilson-esque PG on the floor. Now, Chartouney certainly has more offensive skill than Derrick, but, he's subpar offensively without question.
The notion that we were at our best when "Andrew was distributing," is great - but he was also scoring 23 a game WHILE distributing. Rowsey's assist rate is identical to Chartouney.
Sure, I want us to be better than 175th defensively, and my view was we could have been better than that this past season, with not playing the midgets together AS much, and playing zone with Cain playing 30 minutes per game.
Chartouny averaged double digits all three years. Proved he could score consistently in one of the better mid-major leagues. I'm confident his efficiency would improve significantly when surrounded by better players. He's also a year removed from a respectable 44.6 2P%/38.2 3P%/75.9 FT% so the shooting ability is there.
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Joseph Chartouney: 126 3PMs on 32.7% shooting through three seasons
Derrick Wilson: 11 3PMs on 17.7% shooting through four seasons
Why the hell are we comparing Chartouney's offense to Derrick's? Different kind of players and Derrick's offense isn't in the same zip code as Chartouney's
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Agree. Not sure why people are super stoked over Chartouny? Plays on 292nd best team. Poor shooter. Relatively low usage. 94.9 O-Rating.
Now, he was 2nd best in Steal Percentage.
The differential between Rowsey and this guy is HUGE. Our offense won't be anywhere close to what we were last season. Looks for Sam and Markus will be much more difficult to come by. Driving lanes for Sacar won't be nearly as available.
It's a valid concern to have. The hope is being on a better team increases his efficiency. JC would be able to differ to Markus and Sam and take fewer bad shots.
The big question is, can JC break down a defense and force rotation? Do that with Markus, Sam, Joey/Jamal spotting up and Morrow/John rolling to the hoop and the offense will be just fine.
I also expect more offense to run through Sam and Joey posting 15 ft out. It'll be a bit different offense but I think it'll remain effective.
Plus, you can put in defensive wrinkles with JC, Elliott, and Cain on the floor. Look to create turnovers and run more when Markus is on the bench.
JC won't replace Rowsey all by himself but JC+Morrow+Joey+improvement from returning players looks like a better team to me.
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Joseph Chartouney: 126 3PMs on 32.7% shooting through three seasons
Derrick Wilson: 11 3PMs on 17.7% shooting through four seasons
Why the hell are we comparing Chartouney's offense to Derrick's? Different kind of players and Derrick's offense isn't in the same zip code as Chartouney's...or his defense for that matter
I foresee the return of Ners injecting Chartouney into every thread next year and comparing him to Derrick. Do we really want Chartouney?
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https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/979422346653073408?s=21
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I will postulate that Traci will put up better numbers than what Chartouney put up this past season in the A-10.
Traci was Tony Miller 2.0. Unfortunately, Wojo didn't hand him the reigns to be the PG at MU from Day 1. Oddly Wojo wanted to square peg Haanif into that role. And then, Year 2, Traci got benched in favor or Markus/Rowsey.
Good old Thomas Bilde had it right on the broadcasts of our games on the Italian Summer trip - The Engine.
I think your opinion of Traci is inflated, he was not very good, and didn't develop a whole lot during his three semesters at MU.
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I liked Traci but he was not anywhere near Tony Miller.
Traci had a nice start to his sophomore year but the combination of injury, Howard, and Rowsey caused him to look elsewhere.
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I will postulate that Traci will put up better numbers than what Chartouney put up this past season in the A-10.
Traci was Tony Miller 2.0. Unfortunately, Wojo didn't hand him the reigns to be the PG at MU from Day 1. Oddly Wojo wanted to square peg Haanif into that role. And then, Year 2, Traci got benched in favor or Markus/Rowsey.
Good old Thomas Bilde had it right on the broadcasts of our games on the Italian Summer trip - The Engine.
Did you mean Traci was Tony Miller/2.0?
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Joseph Chartouney: 126 3PMs on 32.7% shooting through three seasons
Derrick Wilson: 11 3PMs on 17.7% shooting through four seasons
Why the hell are we comparing Chartouney's offense to Derrick's? Different kind of players and Derrick's offense isn't in the same zip code as Chartouney's
Why? Because it's what effen Ners does!
He's also still lamenting Traci's absence. It's hilarious that Ners thinks only absurd numbskulls would discuss comparing what Wojo faced to what KO faced, but he apparently thinks it's kosher to compare Traci Freakin' Carter with Tony Miller.
And hell, even if Ners weren't smokin' crack and Carter WAS as good as Miller, that ship has sailed. Saying 1,000 times that Traci would be our savior doesn't bring Traci back, but it does give Ners yet another opportunity to criticize Wojo - whom Ners knows should have been able to convince Traci to stay because, well, Ners could have.
Let's talk about the here and now. Is there likely to be a better grad transfer PG option than Chartouny? If so, tell Ners to identify him, recruit him and bring him in.
If not, tell him to stop being Nersy just for the sake of it.
Statistically (and height-wise) Chartouny is light years ahead of Derrick. But comparing him to Derrick makes it easier for Ners to criticize. Pathetic and sad.
OK, TAMU, enough of Ners' Nersiness. Question for you and others who might actually know something about basketball ...
Someone said earlier that Wojo is "following" Chartouny now. Is there any other indication that we're going after him? Is there any indication that the kid actually is interested in Marquette? We might all be wasting a lot of energy - and in Ners' case, a lot of negative energy - on a kid who has zero interest in MU.
But hey, that's what we do, right?!?!
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Did you mean Traci was Tony Miller/2.0?
LOL
I liked Traci, but the guy was not a HM starter
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https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/979422346653073408?s=21
Incredible response to that tweet from a Xavier fan
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Agree. Not sure why people are super stoked over Chartouny? Plays on 292nd best team. Poor shooter. Relatively low usage. 94.9 O-Rating.
Now, he was 2nd best in Steal Percentage.
The differential between Rowsey and this guy is HUGE. Our offense won't be anywhere close to what we were last season. Looks for Sam and Markus will be much more difficult to come by. Driving lanes for Sacar won't be nearly as available.
If we can't step up to be a Top 50 team defensively next season, think we will be an NIT team once again.
Almost every take you have had on this page of the thread has been bad, from praising Traci Carter to comparing Chartouny to Derrick Wilson. Not a great look.
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I will postulate that Traci will put up better numbers than what Chartouney put up this past season in the A-10.
Traci was Tony Miller 2.0. Unfortunately, Wojo didn't hand him the reigns to be the PG at MU from Day 1. Oddly Wojo wanted to square peg Haanif into that role. And then, Year 2, Traci got benched in favor or Markus/Rowsey.
Good old Thomas Bilde had it right on the broadcasts of our games on the Italian Summer trip - The Engine.
I know you're taking a lot of grief for this take, but in all fairness it's a huge improvement from that time you compared John Dawson to Magic Johnson.
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I liked Traci but he was not anywhere near Tony Miller.
Traci had a nice start to his sophomore year but the combination of injury, Howard, and Rowsey caused him to look elsewhere.
Tony Miller lead the Great Midwest Conference in assists and assists per game all four years he was at Marquette. He lead the entire NCAA as a junior in assists, was NCAA top ten in APG all four years and is still 15th all time in total assists.
Traci Carter isn't that. Not even close.
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Why the hell are we comparing Chartouney's offense to Derrick's? Different kind of players and Derrick's offense isn't in the same zip code as Chartouney's
Because that poster is a very Slick Au Contraire.
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Joseph Chartouney: 126 3PMs on 32.7% shooting through three seasons
Derrick Wilson: 11 3PMs on 17.7% shooting through four seasons
Why the hell are we comparing Chartouney's offense to Derrick's? Different kind of players and Derrick's offense isn't in the same zip code as Chartouney's
I'll take the blame. I looked only at ORtg and didn't dig deeper. Forgot that bringing up Derrick's name was like saying Beetlejuice 3 times for a certain poster.
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https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/979422346653073408?s=21
No joke. I got my wines confused for a second and thought we lost our guy
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Of course Chardonnay is better than Derrick Wilson offensively and defensively - anyone can agree.
Hopefully we land the kid. Just think if some are expecting him to be this major impact player for the team, they may be disappointed. AND the going won't be as "easy" as it was this year for Markus, Sam and Sacar with Rowsey gone.
Regarding Traci Carter:
Traci was Number 3 in Assist Rate in the Big East as a freshman at 36.6% and Number 2 in Steal Rate at 3.8%. Shot 35% from 3. Conference O-Rating of 93.1 with 19% Usage.
Chardonnay against Tier A comp O-Rating the last 3 seasons: 82.5, 66.1, 56.5
The truth will be revealed. He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.
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Of course Chardonnay is better than Derrick Wilson offensively and defensively - anyone can agree.
Hopefully we land the kid. Just think if some are expecting him to be this major impact player for the team, they may be disappointed. AND the going won't be as "easy" as it was this year for Markus, Sam and Sacar with Rowsey gone.
Regarding Traci Carter:
Traci was Number 3 in Assist Rate in the Big East as a freshman at 36.6% and Number 2 in Steal Rate at 3.8%. Shot 35% from 3. Conference O-Rating of 93.1 with 19% Usage.
Chardonnay against Tier A comp O-Rating the last 3 seasons: 82.5, 66.1, 56.5
The truth will be revealed. He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.
And that matters to Marquette next season ... how?
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Why? Because it's what effen Ners does!
He's also still lamenting Traci's absence. It's hilarious that Ners thinks only absurd numbskulls would discuss comparing what Wojo faced to what KO faced, but he apparently thinks it's kosher to compare Traci Freakin' Carter with Tony Miller.
And hell, even if Ners weren't smokin' crack and Carter WAS as good as Miller, that ship has sailed. Saying 1,000 times that Traci would be our savior doesn't bring Traci back, but it does give Ners yet another opportunity to criticize Wojo - whom Ners knows should have been able to convince Traci to stay because, well, Ners could have.
Let's talk about the here and now. Is there likely to be a better grad transfer PG option than Chartouny? If so, tell Ners to identify him, recruit him and bring him in.
If not, tell him to stop being Nersy just for the sake of it.
Statistically (and height-wise) Chartouny is light years ahead of Derrick. But comparing him to Derrick makes it easier for Ners to criticize. Pathetic and sad.
OK, TAMU, enough of Ners' Nersiness. Question for you and others who might actually know something about basketball ...
Someone said earlier that Wojo is "following" Chartouny now. Is there any other indication that we're going after him? Is there any indication that the kid actually is interested in Marquette? We might all be wasting a lot of energy - and in Ners' case, a lot of negative energy - on a kid who has zero interest in MU.
But hey, that's what we do, right?!?!
So ridiculous. What's sad is that Wojo couldn't see from Day 1 that you make Traci Carter the starting F'in PG. Instead tried to make Haanif be the PG. We saw that "brilliance." Carter was the one junkyard dog Wojo had recruited. Tenacious AF on D, and made everyone around him better on O.
But, carry on journalist Mike, and get your hot takes from those who "actually know something about basketball" here.
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I know you're taking a lot of grief for this take, but in all fairness it's a huge improvement from that time you compared John Dawson to Magic Johnson.
And let's not take out of context what was said regarding John Dawson: I said, some of the PASSES Dawson made in non-con his freshman year were Magic Johnson-esque. That was the extent of the comparison.
Guy ended up in the G-League...and get some run. Not exactly "awful."
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Of course Chardonnay is better than Derrick Wilson offensively and defensively - anyone can agree.
Hopefully we land the kid. Just think if some are expecting him to be this major impact player for the team, they may be disappointed. AND the going won't be as "easy" as it was this year for Markus, Sam and Sacar with Rowsey gone.
Regarding Traci Carter:
Traci was Number 3 in Assist Rate in the Big East as a freshman at 36.6% and Number 2 in Steal Rate at 3.8%. Shot 35% from 3. Conference O-Rating of 93.1 with 19% Usage.
Chardonnay against Tier A comp O-Rating the last 3 seasons: 82.5, 66.1, 56.5
The truth will be revealed. He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.
I don't think Traci was a bad player, but he did transfer because he believed that Markus was a better PG. The same Markus that got consistently criticized here this season for not being able to pass or dribble, so if Traci didn't think he was good enough to get minutes at MU I'd be inclined to agree with him. I think a lot of the love for Traci was for two reasons. First, he was our first PG since Derrick. It wasn't going to take much to seem like an upgrade. Second, he was from Philly, which gave the impression to many here that the Philly recruiting pool was now reopened after Buzz burned some bridges with the DJ Newbill situation. I remember watching Traci his freshman year thinking that if we didn't land Markus we'd be in major trouble going forward.
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And that matters to Marquette next season ... how?
I will point out that one of Ners' aliases used similar logic regarding Dawson and Rowsey.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg868602#msg868602
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I will point out that one of Ners' aliases used similar logic regarding Dawson and Rowsey.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg868602#msg868602
LOL
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The truth will be revealed. He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.
He'll have to earn playing time first.
LaSalle's top returning player is junior point guard Pookie Powell. Can Traci play off the ball?
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Of course Chardonnay is better than Derrick Wilson offensively and defensively - anyone can agree.
Hopefully we land the kid. Just think if some are expecting him to be this major impact player for the team, they may be disappointed. AND the going won't be as "easy" as it was this year for Markus, Sam and Sacar with Rowsey gone.
Regarding Traci Carter:
Traci was Number 3 in Assist Rate in the Big East as a freshman at 36.6% and Number 2 in Steal Rate at 3.8%. Shot 35% from 3. Conference O-Rating of 93.1 with 19% Usage.
Chardonnay against Tier A comp O-Rating the last 3 seasons: 82.5, 66.1, 56.5
The truth will be revealed. He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.
You sure about that? Of Chartouny's 12ppg/5.5rpg/4.5apg , I think assists would be the only category Traci has a shot at.
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I will point out that one of Ners' aliases used similar logic regarding Dawson and Rowsey.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg868602#msg868602
So creepy. You legitimately bookmark and archive posts of mine that I’ve made over the years...this one two years old. You rehashed a post I made 5 years ago.
So. I’ve had a few wrong takes here too. God knows if I had a lot of them you’d be recycling them as you have a 6 year history of archiving posts/takes I’ve made.
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You sure about that? Of Chartouny's 12ppg/5.5rpg/4.5apg , I think assists would be the only category Traci has a shot at.
Guess we will see. One thing we know for sure is Sultan will be sure to archive my post and reference if I’m wrong.
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Guess we will see. One thing we know for sure is Sultan will be sure to archive my post and reference if I’m wrong.
I hope so. It’s quite enjoyable
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Truth will be revealed. He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.
Why this man? Why not just say "I think" or "I'm confident" or "I'm willing to bet"? Why do you have to refer to your predictions as "the truth" and say they will "absolutely" happen? That's why people get bent out of shape. Not the content of your opinions but the manner in which they're delivered
Pretty much agreed with the rest of your post. I like Chartouney but I'm not expecting him to be a stud. More of a fifth starter but one with the exact skill set we need to cover up some gaps in our lineup. And I liked Traci. Thought he could be a solid starter for us. Not a star but solid. He may very well put up better numbers at LaSalle.
One nit though, TC left because of role not minutes. He thought he should be a featured scorer, coaches wanted him to be a defender and distributor. Decided to go somewhere where he'd be one of the better scorers.
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You sure about that? Of Chartouny's 12ppg/5.5rpg/4.5apg , I think assists would be the only category Traci has a shot at.
Assists? Passing for 3's to Markus / Sam don't think so.
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I hope so. It’s quite enjoyable
Cool. What's your take for next season? Prediction? With Chardonnay. Without?
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Paging Big Daddy, is MU going for white wine?
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Goodman tweet
Albany guard Joe Cremo told ESPN he is transferring. Averaged 18, 4 and 4 this past season. Grad transfer. Love his game.
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I'd add Joe Cremo of Albany to the list. 6'4" guard that can score at all three levels and distribute. Be curious about his defense. Not much of a thief but like the size and he doesn't foul much.
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Why this man? Why not just say "I think" or "I'm confident" or "I'm willing to bet"? Why do you have to refer to your predictions as "the truth" and say they will "absolutely" happen? That's why people get bent out of shape. Not the content of your opinions but the manner in which they're delivered
Ding Ding Ding.
It was so hilarious (in a sad, pathetic way) that Ners said almost the exact same thing about Rowsey as he is now about Chartouny, and of course he had to frame it with an argument about a PG that ain't coming back - and did so with total certainty because, well, HE JUST KNOWS MORE THAN THE REST OF US!
Not expecting a whole lot out of Rowsey this year. Ironically Dawson transferred to the conference Rowsey came from, and Dawson put up better numbers last year than Rowsey did in his time at UNC Asheville.
That wasn't irony, BTW. It was coincidence. But anyway, Ners, go on ...
Personal preference: I'll take a basketball player who shoots the ball much better, rebounds it significantly better, and passes it much better, yet turns it over 10% more than another player - while being 4" taller and 30 lbs heavier, as we do play in The Big East. Call me crazy.
Shoots the ball much better. Oh my effen word. That's precious. Even advance stats Ners makes up can't save him now. He was effen crazy!
But we're supposed to listen to his No Money Back Traci Guarantee now.
Of course, Rowsey - the guy Ners couldn't wait to shyte on back then - is now irreplaceable in his eyes.
But yeah, he's the expert ... never a doubt in his mind about anything. Wow.
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Cremo is a pretty subpar defender. 29th percentile in ppp allowed. That's better than most of our team (shudder), but he did it against America East competition. His offense is legit though. There isn't an offensive tool he doesn't have.
I would say cream is a better overall drink, but the white wine is better for our specific palette.
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Cool. What's your take for next season? Prediction? With Chardonnay. Without?
Adding a player like Chartouny would be a perfect compliment to the current roster. A pass first point guard that has shown the ability to defend and get to the free throw line is precisely what this team needs.
Of all the names on the transfer list thus far, I think he’s the best option for Marquette. Where that places them in the Big East? Beats me. I haven’t seen how the rosters and coaching staffs will shake out throughout the rest of the league. My hunch is, with him, they’re a top 4 team in the league and probably without him.
I won’t compare him to Traci Carter. He’s a different type of point guard. Traci will have his own issues getting acclimated to playing under another new coach and system at La Salle. I liked Traci but he’s not at Marquette anymore. Traci chose to move on for whatever reason. Best of luck to him.
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Adding a player like Chartouny would be a perfect compliment to the current roster. A pass first point guard that has shown the ability to defend and get to the free throw line is precisely what this team needs.
Of all the names on the transfer list thus far, I think he’s the best option for Marquette. Where that places them in the Big East? Beats me. I haven’t seen how the rosters and coaching staffs will shake out throughout the rest of the league. My hunch is, with him, they’re a top 4 team in the league and probably without him.
I won’t compare him to Traci Carter. He’s a different type of point guard. Traci will have his own issues getting acclimated to playing under another new coach and system at La Salle. I liked Traci but he’s not at Marquette anymore. Traci chose to move on for whatever reason. Best of luck to him.
Exactly. Traci Carter is totally immaterial to any look at the 2018-19 Marquette Warriors. It's the same as speculating about how well Allie McGuire would do.
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Allie would have struggled on next year's team ;D
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Allie would have struggled on next year's team ;D
And he wouldn't have gotten playing time just because of fatherly love, either!
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C'mon Nads, #12 was legit. Yeah, he played in front of Sugar all thin's beein' equal, but also good 'nough ta bee drafted in da turd round bye da Nicks, aina?
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Cremo is a pretty subpar defender.
Dang it. Quickly skimming the thread I thought that said "Cremo is a pretty super defender"
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Player to be named later in the Cheatham trade?
https://twitter.com/adamsanto80/status/979716524377300993?s=21
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Player to be named later in the Cheatham trade?
https://twitter.com/adamsanto80/status/979716524377300993?s=21
Know nothing about him because I haven't seen Gulf Coast play (because I have a life), but numbers look like he's a real good shooter, not great A/TO, not tall. I'm open-minded, though. Maybe he's the goods.
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Player to be named later in the Cheatham trade?
https://twitter.com/adamsanto80/status/979716524377300993?s=21
I would LOVE Zach Johnson on our team. Like Chartouney's fit better but Johnson would be a close second for what's out there currently.
Some local fans seem to be disputing the report. We'll see if anything changes in the next few days.
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Player to be named later in the Cheatham trade?
https://twitter.com/adamsanto80/status/979716524377300993?s=21
https://twitter.com/ZachJohns5n/status/979727906632060928?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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I would LOVE Zach Johnson on our team. Like Chartouney's fit better but Johnson would be a close second for what's out there currently.
Some local fans seem to be disputing the report. We'll see if anything changes in the next few days.
Y wee need a golfa on hour basketball team. Sum of y'all just got it all fooked up, hey?
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Just found out my cousins cousin is Ben Richardson on Loyola. He hooked that whole family up with awesome tickets to the FF. Unbelievably jealous.
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Y wee need a golfa on hour basketball team. Sum of y'all just got it all fooked up, hey?
Followed da guy at Wisslin Strayts a few yeers back. Cuddnt finish at da hole an missed da cut.
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Followed da guy at Wisslin Strayts a few yeers back. Cuddnt finish at da hole an missed da cut.
Why would you follow ZJ?
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Why would you follow ZJ?
He was paired with Spieth and Rory.
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Just found out my cousins cousin is Ben Richardson on Loyola. He hooked that whole family up with awesome tickets to the FF. Unbelievably jealous.
Lesson learned. You need to stay closer to your family.
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12 was definitely a player. Was a big fan of his and still am today.
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Loved me some Allie.
And he's still as relevant to the 2018-19 Warriors as Traci Carter and John Dawson.
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Joseph Chartouney: 126 3PMs on 32.7% shooting through three seasons
Derrick Wilson: 11 3PMs on 17.7% shooting through four seasons
Why the hell are we comparing Chartouney's offense to Derrick's? Different kind of players and Derrick's offense isn't in the same zip code as Chartouney's
I have seen Chartouney play live twice. I can confidently confirm that Chartouneys offense is not in the same zip code as Derrick. Chartouney has a complete set of fundamentals with particular strength in defense. However, it is important to note, that he does not play the game at the highest speed. So I am not sure how much a positive game changing impact he will actually have in our Big East conference games. I am happy if we sign him up, as he gives us some depth at PG, but my expectations would not be super high. His size and strength will enable him to do well against the cupcakes. However, I think he will be net neutral against the Big East and Non Con opponents. His upside is that he becomes a Trent Lockett.
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Anyways, to get this thread back on track, here is a video showing Chartouney's performance in the 2016/17 season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaIsMS3adJw
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Anyways, to get this thread back on track, here is a video showing Chartouney's performance in the 2016/17 season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaIsMS3adJw
Big guard with vision, nice shot, mature player that understands the game, he would fit perfect. He would be a perfect compliment to the roster.
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Anyways, to get this thread back on track, here is a video showing Chartouney's performance in the 2016/17 season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaIsMS3adJw
Thanks for the video. Very nice. Looks like a good finisher, too.
Obviously, these are all highlights, but ... we'll take him. Even if he's not the "stud" that a few Scoopers want Wojo to get from the grad transfer class. I agree with them, and am still hoping for Chris Paul.
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Honestly, there are very few true "studs" that ever become available on the grad transfer market. Damion Lee was the exception, not the rule. Guys like Reinhardt and Lockett are a lot more common. They aren't going to carry good teams, but they can be starters and very nice pieces to help push your team over the edge.
If Chartouney came here, I would expect him to be our 4th-7th best player depending on how some of the youngings come along. I would think 7.5 points and 4.5 assists a game would be a reasonable expectation for him. But I also think he brings some skillsets that are team is sorely lacking and that can be invaluable.
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Honestly, there are very few true "studs" that ever become available on the grad transfer market. Damion Lee was the exception, not the rule. Guys like Reinhardt and Lockett are a lot more common. They aren't going to carry good teams, but they can be starters and very nice pieces to help push your team over the edge.
If Chartouney came here, I would expect him to be our 4th-7th best player depending on how some of the youngings come along. I would think 7.5 points and 4.5 assists a game would be a reasonable expectation for him. But I also think he brings some skillsets that are team is sorely lacking and that can be invaluable.
This is exactly correct.
MU will have plenty of scoring options next year. Just need a guy who can handle the rock, provide a little rebounding and play some reasonable on-ball defense.
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MU should be a relatively easy sell to a grad transfer PG for next season. Come in and you have the keys to a very talented team that can potentially make a deep NCAA run. Unless there just isn't anyone very good available, will be disappointed if Wojo and staff can't land one. This kid from Fordham seems like a good fit for the team. Weakness is shooting, but that's ok with their roster makeup.
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And I wouldn't even call his shooting a weakness. He had very solid shooting numbers his SO year when he had better teammates. Put him on a team where he's the 4th or 5th scoring option and his %s should soar
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And I wouldn't even call his shooting a weakness. He had very solid shooting numbers his SO year when he had better teammates. Put him on a team where he's the 4th or 5th scoring option and his %s should soar
This guy working with Nelson all summer could be a sight to behold, on top of being the 4th/5th option
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If he is decent with the ball againt pressure, can find open shooters and play reasonably good defense, he would be a solid addition to this team.
Like others have said, he wouldn’t be a star...but he wouldn’t need to be with the offensive talent we have.
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So we have reached out to Cremo
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Honestly, there are very few true "studs" that ever become available on the grad transfer market. Damion Lee was the exception, not the rule. Guys like Reinhardt and Lockett are a lot more common. They aren't going to carry good teams, but they can be starters and very nice pieces to help push your team over the edge.
If Chartouney came here, I would expect him to be our 4th-7th best player depending on how some of the youngings come along. I would think 7.5 points and 4.5 assists a game would be a reasonable expectation for him. But I also think he brings some skillsets that are team is sorely lacking and that can be invaluable.
Reasonable post, TAMU, as usual.
I'd love to see a BD post telling us we've made contact with this cat and are one of his faves. It looks like he has a long list of suitors.
It's only a matter of time before some posters are saying Wojo will be a failure if he "loses" Chartouny.
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So we have reached out to Cremo
We have or have we?
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We have or have we?
We have.
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Reasonable post, TAMU, as usual.
I'd love to see a BD post telling us we've made contact with this cat and are one of his faves. It looks like he has a long list of suitors.
It's only a matter of time before some posters are saying Wojo will be a failure if he "loses" Chartouny.
Chartouney has been playing things close to the chest. No lists, no one has reported on who is pursuing him. Just got to follow the twitta breadcrumbs
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We have or have we?
We have.
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Coveted-graduate-basketball-transfer-Joe-Cremo-in-unfamiliar-territory-116937904
The schools that have already reached out to Cremo, 21, include Arizona, Cincinnati, Creighton, Louisville, Marquette, Ohio State, Seton Hall, St. Bonaventure, St. Joseph’s, SMU, Texas, Texas Tech, UConn, West Virginia and Wichita State.
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Just got to follow the twitta breadcrumbs
That's what I have you and other twitta-usin' Scoopers for!
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Story on Cremo.
Points of interest:
- Wants to go somewhere he can have a "big role," compete in the tournament and set himself up to play professionally
- 21 schools have contacted him. Has no visits scheduled, but is leaning toward a few (no mention of which)
https://247sports.com/Article/Coveted-graduate-basketball-transfer-Joe-Cremo-in-unfamiliar-territory-116937904
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Story on Cremo.
Points of interest:
- Wants to go somewhere he can have a "big role," compete in the tournament and set himself up to play professionally
- 21 schools have contacted him. Has no visits scheduled, but is leaning toward a few (no mention of which)
https://247sports.com/Article/Coveted-graduate-basketball-transfer-Joe-Cremo-in-unfamiliar-territory-116937904
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Coveted-graduate-basketball-transfer-Joe-Cremo-in-unfamiliar-territory-116937904
;D
Also I'm pretty sure the 21 refers to Cremo's age...not the number of schools that have reached out to him
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Also I'm pretty sure the 21 refers to Cremo's age...not the number of schools that have reached out to him
Oops.
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Nick Norton from UAB grad transferring. Don't know much about him besides the fact that he's a 5'10" point guard. Probably not what we're looking for.
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;D
Also I'm pretty sure the 21 refers to Cremo's age...not the number of schools that have reached out to him
Perfect fit to MKE then. Cremo will own the Cream City.
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Honestly, there are very few true "studs" that ever become available on the grad transfer market. Damion Lee was the exception, not the rule. Guys like Reinhardt and Lockett are a lot more common. They aren't going to carry good teams, but they can be starters and very nice pieces to help push your team over the edge.
If Chartouney came here, I would expect him to be our 4th-7th best player depending on how some of the youngings come along. I would think 7.5 points and 4.5 assists a game would be a reasonable expectation for him. But I also think he brings some skillsets that are team is sorely lacking and that can be invaluable.
Reinhardt was a stud compared to most of what is available, as was Matt Carlino. Igor Koulachev would also have fit that definition(again in comparison to what is typically available in the grad transfer market). Chartouney will do, but if someone better comes available that would be my preference.
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It's only a matter of time before some posters are saying Wojo will be a failure if he "loses" Chartouny.
This is what I mean, Mike. If somebody actually calls Wojo a failure for losing Chartnouy (extremely unlikely IMHO) address it then. Pre-emptive whining doesn't suit you.
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This kid from Fordham seems like a good fit for the team.
Ah, when has there ever been a decent transfer from Fordham?
Gotta run, Villanova is playing in the title game.
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So I hear this Brunson kid from Villanova is graduating in three years. May e he wants to grad transfer closer to home?
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Wrong thread!!
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Any chance of getting any of the Nova guards as grad transfers.
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Any chance of getting any of the Nova guards as grad transfers.
Brunson is eigible to do that...
Booth too I think.
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This is what I mean, Mike. If somebody actually calls Wojo a failure for losing Chartnouy (extremely unlikely IMHO) address it then. Pre-emptive whining doesn't suit you.
Definitely hyperbole by me. But go back and check the threads when MU was going after Grimes. MUCH talk about Wojo "losing" Grimes, as if he was ours to lose. It was beyond silly.
So yeah, if Chartouny has MU in his final few and if he ends up at another school, there will be those whining about Wojo "losing" him.
But yes, "failure" was too strong a word. Mea culpa. (Then again, a few here already have deemed him the opposite of successful ... )
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Wades—please provide a list of Brunson’s top 5........man I hope we make it—we have a lot to offer!
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Brunson is eigible to do that...
Booth too I think.
They are eligible to go. We are not eligible to take them, however.
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No nights off Brew?
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No nights off Brew?
https://youtu.be/8s18ZjiQ_iQ
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Any chance of getting any of the Nova guards as grad transfers.
Yes, I bet a lot of us were laughing and thinking the same thing when they said brunson was graduating after three years :-)
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Yep, this was my thought as well... has Wojo got a good enough story to convince him to grad transfer vs. making millions!
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Recruiting your own back yard.....
Stevenson HS.....Deerield Il.....
70 miles from MU campus......
Sure a 5 star.....
But us....and all the schools around the area can not let players like this get away......
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Because of his father's career, Jalen spent high school in Illinois but really isn't a midwestern guy. Philly is home, which is why he committed to Temple first (parent's alma mater) before backing out and going to Nova.
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Custer said on the radio yesterday he is coming back to Loyola. No surprise to most, but if anyone missed that announcement it should put it bed for good.
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Because of his father's career, Jalen spent high school in Illinois but really isn't a midwestern guy. Philly is home, which is why he committed to Temple first (parent's alma mater) before backing out and going to Nova.
FWIW, he committed to Temple because Rick was going to be an assistant coach there. Temple pulled the job offer to Rick when he got arrested for groping a masseuse (later acquitted) and Jalen switched his commitment to Nova.
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FWIW, he committed to Temple because Rick was going to be an assistant coach there. Temple pulled the job offer to Rick when he got arrested for groping a masseuse (later acquitted) and Jalen switched his commitment to Nova.
Oh yeah that's right. Forgot about those details.
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Definitely hyperbole by me. But go back and check the threads when MU was going after Grimes. MUCH talk about Wojo "losing" Grimes, as if he was ours to lose. It was beyond silly.
So yeah, if Chartouny has MU in his final few and if he ends up at another school, there will be those whining about Wojo "losing" him.
We disagree semantically, I guess. The nature of recruiting (unless you're Duke or Kentucky) is that you will lose more battles than you'll win. So I don't blame Wojo for losing Grimes because it was an uphill battle where we were always the underdog. But we still "lost" - saying that recruiting is all wins (the ones you sign) and no losses (the ones you go hard after but get away) doesn't make sense to me. Every school sign players. The ones who sign the best ones are the winners - and so on.
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We disagree semantically, I guess. The nature of recruiting (unless you're Duke or Kentucky) is that you will lose more battles than you'll win. So I don't blame Wojo for losing Grimes because it was an uphill battle where we were always the underdog. But we still "lost" - saying that recruiting is all wins (the ones you sign) and no losses (the ones you go hard after but get away) doesn't make sense to me. Every school sign players. The ones who sign the best ones are the winners - and so on.
Right. Recruiting is an investment of time. The key is to invest that time to get the best return.
So after Joey committed, it made perfect sense to go hard after Grimes. There wasn't a scholarship available at the time, so they were either going after a really high level player or no one else. A perfectly acceptable investment of time.
Now if we had four openings, the answer might have been different.
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Right. Recruiting is an investment of time. The key is to invest that time to get the best return.
So after Joey committed, it made perfect sense to go hard after Grimes. There wasn't a scholarship available at the time, so they were either going after a really high level player or no one else. A perfectly acceptable investment of time.
Now if we had four openings, the answer might have been different.
Some might say that behavior if we had four openings would be dumb and dangerous.
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Some might say that behavior if we had four openings would be dumb and dangerous.
Unless you can get a #donedeal
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Right. Recruiting is an investment of time. The key is to invest that time to get the best return.
So after Joey committed, it made perfect sense to go hard after Grimes. There wasn't a scholarship available at the time, so they were either going after a really high level player or no one else. A perfectly acceptable investment of time.
Now if we had four openings, the answer might have been different.
I agree with this analysis.
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We disagree semantically, I guess. The nature of recruiting (unless you're Duke or Kentucky) is that you will lose more battles than you'll win. So I don't blame Wojo for losing Grimes because it was an uphill battle where we were always the underdog. But we still "lost" - saying that recruiting is all wins (the ones you sign) and no losses (the ones you go hard after but get away) doesn't make sense to me. Every school sign players. The ones who sign the best ones are the winners - and so on.
I understand, Lenny.
Here's where I come from:
We had Wally and thus immediately became the favorite to get Henry. If he had gone somewhere else, Wojo would have "lost" him. We had Sam and thus immediately became the favorite to get Joey. If he had gone elsewhere, Wojo would have "lost" him. In my mind at least, Henry and Joey were "Wojo's to lose." Buzz had JJJ locked up; if for some reason he had ended up going elsewhere, I would have said Buzz "lost" him. And so on.
When Bruce Weber had Eric Gordon at Illinois and then Indiana stole him away, Weber "lost" Gordon.
Grimes was not Wojo's to "lose." And Chartouny certainly does not appear to be Wojo's to "lose."
That's how I look at these things, and I have the same standards for every coach at every school. Obviously, MU is the one I follow closely.
But sure, I understand the semantics the way you explained how you look at it. It's OK for us to respectfully disagree!
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I understand, Lenny.
Here's where I come from:
We had Wally and thus immediately became the favorite to get Henry. If he had gone somewhere else, Wojo would have "lost" him. We had Sam and thus immediately became the favorite to get Joey. If he had gone elsewhere, Wojo would have "lost" him. In my mind at least, Henry and Joey were "Wojo's to lose." Buzz had JJJ locked up; if for some reason he had ended up going elsewhere, I would have said Buzz "lost" him. And so on.
When Bruce Weber had Eric Gordon at Illinois and then Indiana stole him away, Weber "lost" Gordon.
Grimes was not Wojo's to "lose." And Chartouny certainly does not appear to be Wojo's to "lose."
That's how I look at these things, and I have the same standards for every coach at every school. Obviously, MU is the one I follow closely.
But sure, I understand the semantics the way you explained how you look at it. It's OK for us to respectfully disagree!
Damn, is he leaning somewhere? or just no clear favorite/discernable lean?
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I understand, Lenny.
Here's where I come from:
We had Wally and thus immediately became the favorite to get Henry. If he had gone somewhere else, Wojo would have "lost" him. We had Sam and thus immediately became the favorite to get Joey. If he had gone elsewhere, Wojo would have "lost" him. In my mind at least, Henry and Joey were "Wojo's to lose." Buzz had JJJ locked up; if for some reason he had ended up going elsewhere, I would have said Buzz "lost" him. And so on.
When Bruce Weber had Eric Gordon at Illinois and then Indiana stole him away, Weber "lost" Gordon.
Grimes was not Wojo's to "lose." And Chartouny certainly does not appear to be Wojo's to "lose."
That's how I look at these things, and I have the same standards for every coach at every school. Obviously, MU is the one I follow closely.
But sure, I understand the semantics the way you explained how you look at it. It's OK for us to respectfully disagree!
Understand, Mike - and see your point. But to me, when we lose a game to Villanova at their place (even though we all expect it) it's a loss. Not as painful as an unexpected home loss to an Omaha or DePaul, but a loss nonetheless.
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Damn, is he leaning somewhere? or just no clear favorite/discernable lean?
As far as I can tell he has made no public statements about where he wants to go yet.
Purdue, SMU, Nevada, and us seem to be chasing him. No idea if the feeling is mutual
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Understand, Mike - and see your point. But to me, when we lose a game to Villanova at their place (even though we all expect it) it's a loss. Not as painful as an unexpected home loss to an Omaha or DePaul, but a loss nonetheless.
I don't think it's the same thing at all. But again, we can disagree.
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Marquette has been in contact with Albany grad transfer David Nichols.
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Marquette has been in contact with Albany grad transfer David Nichols.
Any one know how this dudes defense is?
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Marquette has been in contact with Albany grad transfer David Nichols.
From Chicago mount Carmel. Would be interesting to see if this kid and Morrow could help reopen that shut door
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From Chicago mount Carmel. Would be interesting to see if this kid and Morrow could help reopen that shut door
He is listed as 6'0" A smallish guard though he is 190 lbs.
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Marquette has been in contact with Albany grad transfer David Nichols.
Package deal with Joe Cremo?
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I do find it a bit peculiar that of all the grad transfer guards, Wojo seems to be narrowing his focus to Cremo, Chartuney, and now Nicholas. I have seen several that have released lists of interests/contact and MU isn't on any of them. You would think that they would get their name out there for damn near every single one of them, since it is such a glaring need. He's cutting himself pretty thin only focusing on a couple guys if you ask me.
What that says to me is one of two things...either A. he has reason to believe he will land one of the one's he is in on, or...for whatever reason, he doesn't think it's the priority that everyone knows it is.
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Package deal with Joe Cremo?
I'd doubt it. Cremo said that he and Nichols didn't discuss transferring together
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I do find it a bit peculiar that of all the grad transfer guards, Wojo seems to be narrowing his focus to Cremo, Chartuney, and now Nicholas. I have seen several that have released lists of interests/contact and MU isn't on any of them. You would think that they would get their name out there for damn near every single one of them, since it is such a glaring need. He's cutting himself pretty thin only focusing on a couple guys if you ask me.
What that says to me is one of two things...either A. he has reason to believe he will land one of the one's he is in on, or...for whatever reason, he doesn't think it's the priority that everyone knows it is.
So you think it's possible Wojo doesn't know a PG is a key need for next year's team? Despite the all-out effort to get Grimes?
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I do find it a bit peculiar that of all the grad transfer guards, Wojo seems to be narrowing his focus to Cremo, Chartuney, and now Nicholas. I have seen several that have released lists of interests/contact and MU isn't on any of them. You would think that they would get their name out there for damn near every single one of them, since it is such a glaring need. He's cutting himself pretty thin only focusing on a couple guys if you ask me.
What that says to me is one of two things...either A. he has reason to believe he will land one of the one's he is in on, or...for whatever reason, he doesn't think it's the priority that everyone knows it is.
Guru, Wojo is in on 3 of the top 4 grad transfer guards currently available. The only one he is not in on is Ehab Amin.
Who else do you think he should be going after?
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I do find it a bit peculiar that of all the grad transfer guards, Wojo seems to be narrowing his focus to Cremo, Chartuney, and now Nicholas.
Wojo has been pretty successful getting "his choice" in grad transfer guards the last few years landing Carlino and Katin. Add that to the fact that MU really has a PERFECT situation for a PG; starting position available, likely tournament team, that he may feel that he can concentrate on what he feels are the best and chance are he will land one. It could also mean "hopefully" that there has been mutual interest confirmed for the guys he is chasing. Adding to his sales pitch "Our list is short, we are only looking at 2 of you and one will get the position" might help as well.
I don't think there is any way Wojo thinks PG isn't an issue.
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Guru, Wojo is in on 3 of the top 4 grad transfer guards currently available. The only one he is not in on is Ehab Amin.
Who else do you think he should be going after?
And let's be honest, Amin would just create too much confusion around here. Guessing Wojo is avoiding him to benefit the greater Scoop community.
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Carlino fell in Wojo's lap. Not so sure that was recruiting coup on his part.
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And let's be honest, Amin would just create too much confusion around here. Guessing Wojo is avoiding him to benefit the greater Scoop community.
Ha. Would be funny when announcer says that was great pass from Amin to Anim. People will think the announcer is pronouncing Sacar's name wrong.
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Marquette has been in contact with Albany grad transfer David Nichols.
Where are you seeing this J5? I haven't seen anything yet.
EDIT: NVM found it:
https://twitter.com/WndyCtyBsktball/status/981296539611140096
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Guru, Wojo is in on 3 of the top 4 grad transfer guards currently available. The only one he is not in on is Ehab Amin.
Who else do you think he should be going after?
I'm just saying, why not at least reach out to several others as well, even if your interest isn't as high as for some others?? At least then you have several potential options, instead of 3...what if all 3 go someplace else?? The bottom line is they absolutely NEED a grad transfer PG..so if you do lose the three you are in on, then what??
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Guru, Wojo is in on 3 of the top 4 grad transfer guards currently available. The only one he is not in on is Ehab Amin.
Who else do you think he should be going after?
Who is the third? Cremo, Chartoney, and...? I assume Nichols isn't in your top 4 since I don't see him listed anywhere on your FA tracket.
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Who is the third? Cremo, Chartoney, and...? I assume Nichols isn't in your top 4 since I don't see him listed anywhere on your FA tracket.
I didn't realize Nichols was a grad transfer when I posted the first edition. He graduated in three years so he slipped past my radar. He'll be there on the next edition
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I didn't realize Nichols was a grad transfer when I posted the first edition. He graduated in three years so he slipped past my radar. He'll be there on the next edition
Gotcha. I was surprised to see him not mentioned anywhere - so that makes more sense now.
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I'm just saying, why not at least reach out to several others as well, even if your interest isn't as high as for some others?? At least then you have several potential options, instead of 3...what if all 3 go someplace else?? The bottom line is they absolutely NEED a grad transfer PG..so if you do lose the three you are in on, then what??
So who? You said you've seen all these grad transfer guards announce their lists and Marquette isn't on them. Who has released a list that Marquette isn't on that you think we should be in on?
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Pass on Nichols
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Pass on Nichols
Nichols doesn't excite me much, but I'd take him over an empty chair.
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I'm just saying, why not at least reach out to several others as well, even if your interest isn't as high as for some others?? At least then you have several potential options, instead of 3...what if all 3 go someplace else?? The bottom line is they absolutely NEED a grad transfer PG..so if you do lose the three you are in on, then what??
Unfortunately, there don't seem to be a plethora of grad transfer point guards out there this year who may be able to come in and start for a team that has tournament aspirations.
If there are others out there who the coaching staff is missing, who are they? Seems silly for them to spend time recruiting kids they don't believe would fill the need.
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So who? You said you've seen all these grad transfer guards announce their lists and Marquette isn't on them. Who has released a list that Marquette isn't on that you think we should be in on?
Here's 1...https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/981559969278382080
2. https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/981362765523595264
3. https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/980833195380871168
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Any one know how this dudes defense is?
Finally took a look on synergy.
80th percentile in points per possession allowed last season. Dude is short but seems to be a solid defender. I'd take his distribution and defensive ability for us next season. Albany is a very solid low major program.
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Here's 1...https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/981559969278382080
2. https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/981362765523595264
3. https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/980833195380871168
Two of these guys are under 6ft do you actively root against our defense improving?
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Here's 1...https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/981559969278382080
2. https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/981362765523595264
3. https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/980833195380871168
1. Aaron Calixte is a TERRIBLE defender from a TERRIBLE team. Not a match for what we are looking for.
2. Ryan Daly is a traditional transfer. He has to sit next season.
3. Nick Norton just announced his transfer two days ago and hasn't released a list.
So.....is it just that we haven't reached out to Calixte?
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Here's 1...https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/981559969278382080
2. https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/981362765523595264
3. https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/980833195380871168
I'd pass on Calixte. Maine was really bad, he's small, and turns it over a lot. Further, his stats are heavily bolstered by conference play against a pretty poor America East. Same goes for Daly, who played SF/PF, not PG. He has better size but is not a distributor and doesn't seem like one that would really fill a need for us.
Norton seems to fit our needs better, but 5'10" scares me. Unless he's a great defender for his size, I'd be hesitant.
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Nichols doesn't excite me much, but I'd take him over an empty chair.
True.
More meant in respect to these other options
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Guru, Wojo is in on 3 of the top 4 grad transfer guards currently available. The only one he is not in on is Ehab Amin.
Who else do you think he should be going after?
STUDS! guru only wants STUDS! STUDS should be knocking down the doors to play at MU. STUDS, DAMMIT! STUDS!
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STUDS! guru only wants STUDS! STUDS should be knocking down the doors to play at MU. STUDS, DAMMIT! STUDS!
Stud finders should be strictly limited to the nm thread.
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STUDS! guru only wants STUDS! STUDS should be knocking down the doors to play at MU. STUDS, DAMMIT! STUDS!
Indeed.
But that doesn't preclude him bitching that we aren't going after what are essentially two star players. Because if we land them he can then bitch that we are landing two star players. Or bitching that we aren't going after transfers that can't play next year while bitching that we need to fill that gap next year.
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A nice summary from Marquette Wire:
https://marquettewire.org/3989924/sports/marquette-looks-to-solve-point-guard-problems-via-transfers/ (https://marquettewire.org/3989924/sports/marquette-looks-to-solve-point-guard-problems-via-transfers/)
Two grad transfer options, and two regular transfer options to take over when the grad transfer is gone.
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For all anyone knows, Wojo is finalizing the deal with a grad transfer. This staff keeps things closer to the vest than any staff I've ever seen.
As far as Nichols from Albany, he went to the same high school at former Marquette great Lloyd Walton.
http://www.ualbanysports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=210232195
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Nichols might end up being fine. I'm pretty convinced that Markus and Elliott will be the starting back court anyway, with the grad transfer playing more of a sixth man type of role in the back court.
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Indeed.
But that doesn't preclude him bitching that we aren't going after what are essentially two star players. Because if we land them he can then bitch that we are landing two star players. Or bitching that we aren't going after transfers that can't play next year while bitching that we need to fill that gap next year.
This is wrong on so many levels..MU needs a grad transfer PG..that's a fact. As long as they get one that can distribute, not turn it over and plays decent defense, and it would be nice if he can score too..I dont care who that guy is..as long as they get one..that's the key.
The other scholly I would use on a traditional transfer(preferably one with 3 years of elig remaining), postion isn't important to me..just get the best guy you can and call it a day.
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This is wrong on so many levels..MU needs a grad transfer PG..that's a fact. As long as they get one that can distribute, not turn it over and plays decent defense, and it would be nice if he can score too..I dont care who that guy is..as long as they get one..that's the key.
The other scholly I would use on a traditional transfer(preferably one with 3 years of elig remaining), postion isn't important to me..just get the best guy you can and call it a day.
If recruiting for 2019 is looking good, I would only take the grad transfer as there is only 1 scholarship available the following year and it is hard enough to keep 12 players happy much less 13. if it is a transfer, you have to think that the recruiting the following year does not look good.
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If recruiting for 2019 is looking good, I would only take the grad transfer as there is only 1 scholarship available the following year and it is hard enough to keep 12 players happy much less 13. if it is a transfer, you have to think that the recruiting the following year does not look good.
If you take a grad transfer and a regular transfer, there will still be two scholarships for the 2019-20 year. One for the departing Heldt and one for the departing grad transfer.
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If you take a grad transfer and a regular transfer, there will still be two scholarships for the 2019-20 year. One for the departing Heldt and one for the departing grad transfer.
And I'd still sign 3 in that case, cuz transfers are inevitable.
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Nichols might end up being fine. I'm pretty convinced that Markus and Elliott will be the starting back court anyway, with the grad transfer playing more of a sixth man type of role in the back court.
If we get a PG as a grad transfer, especially one with some size, I have a hard time seeing Elliott starting over him.
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If we get a PG as a grad transfer, especially one with some size, I have a hard time seeing Elliott starting over him.
Elliot's listed at 6-3, if he can put on some good weight and improve his handles (which he should at least have time to do since he supposedly has the shortest rehab) there's no reason he can't be a starting PG in the Beast.
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Elliot's listed at 6-3, if he can put on some good weight and improve his handles (which he should at least have time to do since he supposedly has the shortest rehab) there's no reason he can't be a starting PG in the Beast.
I don't disagree with that. However, if we get an established grad PG with some size I don't think Elliott starts over him this upcoming season.
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Indeed.
But that doesn't preclude him bitching that we aren't going after what are essentially two star players. Because if we land them he can then bitch that we are landing two star players. Or bitching that we aren't going after transfers that can't play next year while bitching that we need to fill that gap next year.
Yep, and if we get one who is bad on D, he (and Ners and a few others) can bitch about that, too.
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Elliot's listed at 6-3, if he can put on some good weight and improve his handles (which he should at least have time to do since he supposedly has the shortest rehab) there's no reason he can't be a starting PG in the Beast.
Maybe maybe not......he has never played point guard......I'm not placing any big bets on him being a Big East caliber pg ....think Wojo is probably ok with him doing it in small spurts behind 2 other guys but he has shown no signs that he is ready to play important minutes there yet.
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I don't disagree with that. However, if we get an established grad PG with some size I don't think Elliott starts over him this upcoming season.
I have a feeling we will get an established one, but may not necessarily be a BE quality starter. Markus at point, Elliott as the other guard, grad transfer plays point and Markus moves off the ball.
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Maybe maybe not......he has never played point guard......I'm not placing any big bets on him being a Big East caliber pg ....think Wojo is probably ok with him doing it in small spurts behind 2 other guys but he has shown no signs that he is ready to play important minutes there yet.
You may be right, I just know that there has been an enormous amount of complaining about small guards and about the sizes of potential grad transfers, and we have a 6-3 guard who had a decent freshman campaign, has a full summer of lifting weights ahead of him. He should at least be seen as a viable option going forward, especially since Markus' point display was thoroughly underwhelming.
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You may be right, I just know that there has been an enormous amount of complaining about small guards and about the sizes of potential grad transfers, and we have a 6-3 guard who had a decent freshman campaign, has a full summer of lifting weights ahead of him. He should at least be seen as a viable option going forward, especially since Markus' point display was thoroughly underwhelming.
I'd say the fact Wojo seems to be pursuing almost every decent point guard transfer out there, grad and traditional, is pretty indicative of how he feels about Greg's ability to handle the starting point guard position anytime soon.
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I'd say the fact Wojo seems to be pursuing almost every decent point guard transfer out there, grad and traditional, is pretty indicative of how he feels about Greg's ability to handle the starting point guard position anytime soon.
Wojo has played his grad transfer cards pretty close to the vest. All we know is that contact has been made, we don't know how hard he's pushing, and just because we bring in a 1 year player doesn't mean that Greg won't run the offense his junior and senior year.
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Nichols might end up being fine. I'm pretty convinced that Markus and Elliott will be the starting back court anyway, with the grad transfer playing more of a sixth man type of role in the back court.
If we got Chartouny I assume he'd start at point with Markus next to him. He's got good size for a PG. Anyone else I'd imagine would come off the bench.
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Elliot's listed at 6-3, if he can put on some good weight and improve his handles (which he should at least have time to do since he supposedly has the shortest rehab) there's no reason he can't be a starting PG in the Beast.
There was no reason Vander and Duane couldn't be starting PGs in the BE.
Sorry but it ain't that easy to switch from a 2 to a 1.
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Wojo has played his grad transfer cards pretty close to the vest. All we know is that contact has been made, we don't know how hard he's pushing, and just because we bring in a 1 year player doesn't mean that Greg won't run the offense his junior and senior year.
Following kids on Twitter and making contact with them isn't exactly keeping things close to the vest. And there's no reason to believe Wojo is wasting his and his staff's time on kids they don't really want.
You're right that Greg could one day start at the point. But the way the staff is going after every established point guard on the market right now sure seems to imply that they aren't confident that's next season.
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There was no reason Vander and Duane couldn't be starting PGs in the BE.
Sorry but it ain't that easy to switch from a 2 to a 1.
If you would have quoted my entire post you would have seen that I said that Greg should be viewed as a viable option, not necessarily a starter and 30+ mpg player. I would love to have the depth and quality of depth so that Greg wouldn't have to play point, but if you don't think he will play any point next year, I think you will be mistaken.
Vander and Duane also had very different roles, they were never told to play point even if Duane wanted to. If Wojo tells Greg that he wants him to be a PG, and Greg spends the next 3 years practicing and playing point. By the time he graduates, he will be an above average PG.
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Following kids on Twitter and making contact with them isn't exactly keeping things close to the vest. And there's no reason to believe Wojo is wasting his and his staff's time on kids they don't really want.
You're right that Greg could one day start at the point. But the way the staff is going after every established point guard on the market right now sure seems to imply that they aren't confident that's next season.
Or they don't have confidence in Markus and want him playing exclusively off the ball, and the plan is to have a grad transfer and Greg be the PG for next year. Wojo isn't putting his plan out there on twitter, so until we see the roster turnout and see the team play next year, we won't know what Wojo's plan is.
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Even if Wojo, in his heart of hearts, believes our starting backcourt will be Markus and Greg next season, he also knows we desperately need backcourt depth.
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Even if Wojo, in his heart of hearts, believes our starting backcourt will be Markus and Greg next season, he also knows we desperately need backcourt depth.
Depth is the key word. PT will come as earned at PG.
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Wojo visiting Cremo..
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/981683744011583489
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Or they don't have confidence in Markus and want him playing exclusively off the ball, and the plan is to have a grad transfer and Greg be the PG for next year. Wojo isn't putting his plan out there on twitter, so until we see the roster turnout and see the team play next year, we won't know what Wojo's plan is.
Wojo said in his last tv show that the ball would be in Markus's hands much more next season......I think you are reaching here.
Pg will be manned by Markus and a pg yet to be named.
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Wojo said in his last tv show that the ball would be in Markus's hands much more next season......I think you are reaching here.
Pg will be manned by Markus and a pg yet to be named.
Given that feeble competition, sounds like a done deal to me!
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Wojo said in his last tv show that the ball would be in Markus's hands much more next season......I think you are reaching here.
Pg will be manned by Markus and a pg yet to be named.
My point was the people are reading way to much into reading the tea leaves based on who is following who on twitter. Wojo isn't posting next year's starting 5 on Twitter. We need depth at guard so it makes sense that he's looking at guards, but saying that because he's following player a, b and c means that they are our only targets is foolish. We could get a commitment from someone that hasn't had any Twitter contact with Wojo we could get another late bloomer like Greg last year. If this many people are "in the know" Then no one is really in the know.
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Everybody knew we were looking at Elliott. We offered him in January.......it wasn't a secret when he committed.
We are looking to add a point guard.....that is not in dispute......who that pg is we don't know yet.....but if Wojo is making visits.....which he is.....then they have serious interest.
It's unlikely that a commitment will come from somebody we have t heard of but yes anything is possible.
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Everybody knew we were looking at Elliott. We offered him in January.......it wasn't a secret when he committed.
We are looking to add a point guard.....that is not in dispute......who that pg is we don't know yet.....but if Wojo is making visits.....which he is.....then they have serious interest.
It's unlikely that a commitment will come from somebody we have t heard of but yes anything is possible.
When you say they, are you referring to wojo or the other party showing interest? I asked a while ago if anyone had any info on how the grad transfer recruiting system works vs recruiting high school players and I got crickets.
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Wojo/MU is they when it comes to MU recruiting.......he is the closer. Assistants probably involved as well like Stan was for Reinhardt.
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Wojo/MU is they when it comes to MU recruiting.......he is the closer. Assistants probably involved as well like Stan was for Reinhardt.
So that gets back to my question. High school players only get so many official visits, so if you get one you know that there is strong mutual interest. If there's no limit on meetings a grad transfer can have, we could be one of his dozen or so meetings and while there would probably still be some interest it's not as exciting as getting an official visit from a high schooler.
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Having a coach go visit the player is the first step........it is a sign of interest by both parties.
If they come to campus it is much more serious because grads don't typically take a ton of visits .....not sure if they have the same limitations as high school recruits or not... ....but typically they take 1 or 2 campus visits and then make the call.
Grad transfer process obviously moves much quicker then the typical high school recruitment which can take years.
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I believe transfers, including grad transfers, are eligible for 5 official visits.
Jaybee can correct me if I am wrong.
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https://twitter.com/PeteYannopoulos/status/981571150772760576
I have no idea how reliable Pete Yannopoulos is, but he says Marquette, Louisville, and SMU are involved with Jospeh Chartouney.
If that's the final list, I like our odds. All three have big minutes available at the point, but I think Marquette is in the best position to make the tournament next season.
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https://twitter.com/PeteYannopoulos/status/981571150772760576
I have no idea how reliable Pete Yannopoulos is, but he says Marquette, Louisville, and SMU are involved with Jospeh Chartouney.
If that's the final list, I like our odds. All three have big minutes available at the point, but I think Marquette is in the best position to make the tournament next season.
It would be fantastic to have all the pieces of the puzzle next year. Both because it should make for a great season, but also because all of us (doubters and backers) can see what Wojo can do with a complete hand.
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https://twitter.com/PeteYannopoulos/status/981571150772760576
I have no idea how reliable Pete Yannopoulos is, but he says Marquette, Louisville, and SMU are involved with Jospeh Chartouney.
If that's the final list, I like our odds. All three have big minutes available at the point, but I think Marquette is in the best position to make the tournament next season.
Goodman's tweet this morning listed Marquette, Louisville SMU, Oregon, Arizona, UConn, Rutgers, Purdue, Butler and Nevada.
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Goodman's tweet this morning listed Marquette, Louisville SMU, Oregon, Arizona, UConn, Rutgers, Purdue, Butler and Nevada.
But he listed us first
#donedeal
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Another cryptic Stan Johnson tweet... this HAS to mean no Chartouny:
"When God gives us “NO” for an answer, keep in mind that there is a much greater “YES” behind it. His “N0” is not a “Rejection,” but a cosmic redirection! 🙏🏾👏🏽👌🏾🙌🏽" @MUCoachJohnson
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I’ve given up on trying to decipher Stan’s tweets. His twitter is a mystery wrapped in an enigma surrounded by a puzzle.
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Figurin' he ain't on Fresno's short list, hey?
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Another cryptic Stan Johnson tweet... this HAS to mean no Chartouny:
"When God gives us “NO” for an answer, keep in mind that there is a much greater “YES” behind it. His “N0” is not a “Rejection,” but a cosmic redirection! 🙏🏾👏🏽👌🏾🙌🏽" @MUCoachJohnson
I would THINK it's more likely about not getting the Fresno job, given the timing of it.
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Figurin' he ain't on Fresno's short list, hey?
Dis
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I would THINK it's more likely about not getting the Fresno job, given the timing of it.
Sorry about that, Stan. Now go get us Chartouny, and a bunch of recruits for 2019 and 2020!
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Another cryptic Stan Johnson tweet... this HAS to mean no Chartouny:
"When God gives us “NO” for an answer, keep in mind that there is a much greater “YES” behind it. His “N0” is not a “Rejection,” but a cosmic redirection! 🙏🏾👏🏽👌🏾🙌🏽" @MUCoachJohnson
Yeah, the old "One door Closes, another Opens."
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https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
Matt Mooney is transferring from South Dakota. He is the clear best player on the grad transfer market and is a perfect fit for what we need. Guard with size, strong distributor, and lockdown defender. Could turn us from a top 30 team to top 10 team.
Sic em Wojo
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https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
Matt Mooney is transferring from South Dakota. He is the clear best player on the grad transfer market and is a perfect fit for what we need. Guard with size, strong distributor, and lockdown defender. Could turn us from a top 30 team to top 10 team.
Sic em Wojo
Plus Tax!
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https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
Matt Mooney is transferring from South Dakota. He is the clear best player on the grad transfer market and is a perfect fit for what we need. Guard with size, strong distributor, and lockdown defender. Could turn us from a top 30 team to top 10 team.
Sic em Wojo
Went to a Catholic HS (Notre Dame prep) in the Chicago suburbs, so pretty much MU's home turf.
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https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
Matt Mooney is transferring from South Dakota. He is the clear best player on the grad transfer market and is a perfect fit for what we need. Guard with size, strong distributor, and lockdown defender. Could turn us from a top 30 team to top 10 team.
Sic em Wojo
Grammatically incorrect Twitter post.
Hard pass.
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Went to a Catholic HS (Notre Dame prep) in the Chicago suburbs, so pretty much MU's home turf.
MU owns the ESCC walk-on market...
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someone asked about a timeline for grad-students to announce;
Katin Reinhardt committed to Marquette on 4/9
Carlino on 4/25. Lockett on 5/4.
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https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
Matt Mooney is transferring from South Dakota. He is the clear best player on the grad transfer market and is a perfect fit for what we need. Guard with size, strong distributor, and lockdown defender. Could turn us from a top 30 team to top 10 team.
Sic em Wojo
HOT DAMN.......
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https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
Matt Mooney is transferring from South Dakota. He is the clear best player on the grad transfer market and is a perfect fit for what we need. Guard with size, strong distributor, and lockdown defender. Could turn us from a top 30 team to top 10 team.
Sic em Wojo
As Jean-Luc used to tell No. 1:
Make it so!
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https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
Matt Mooney is transferring from South Dakota. He is the clear best player on the grad transfer market and is a perfect fit for what we need. Guard with size, strong distributor, and lockdown defender. Could turn us from a top 30 team to top 10 team.
Sic em Wojo
Jake Thomas can tell him about the magic of a South Dakota-to-Marquette experience.
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Jake Thomas can tell him about the magic of a South Dakota-to-Marquette experience.
Rhapsodize poetic about the support of the fans.
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someone asked about a timeline for grad-students to announce;
Katin Reinhardt committed to Marquette on 4/9
Carlino on 4/25. Lockett on 5/4.
FWIW, the only two grad transfers of consequence who have committed at this point are Makai Mason (Yale to Baylor) and Evan Bourdreax (Dartmouth to Purdue). Both were unique situations, Ivy league grads who didn't play last season and were forced to grad transfer due to ivy league rules. Mason has been committed to Baylor since the Fall and Bourdreaux was committed to Xavier since December and then switched to Purdue immediately after Mack was hired away.
Most grad transfers will commit in late April/May. There will be some that commit earlier and some that what until June or even July. Some don't even become available until June/July.
At the moment 381 transfers have been announced this offseason. The past 3 years there have been 800+ each season. We have a long way to go before we are done.
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At the moment 381 transfers have been announced this offseason. The past 3 years there have been 800+ each season. We have a long way to go before we are done.
Will be interesting to see if the smaller coaching carousel this year has any effect on the final number.
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Sorry but what about 2.4 career assists per game screams excellent distributor. I’d rather have Chartouny because he is a better distributor and also a better defender. Replacing Rowsey’s scoring shouldn’t be the focus
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https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
Matt Mooney is transferring from South Dakota. He is the clear best player on the grad transfer market and is a perfect fit for what we need. Guard with size, strong distributor, and lockdown defender. Could turn us from a top 30 team to top 10 team.
Sic em Wojo
Not sold on Mooney. Don't think he is a high D1 player.
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Not sold on Mooney. Don't think he is a high D1 player.
Struggled against Duke this year, but put up big performances against TCU and UCLA.
Played reasonably well against Gonzaga, Nebraska and Houston the year before.
Does turn the ball over too much, though.
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Can he prevent dribble penetration? If so, sign him up. If he can't we should keep looking.
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FWIW, the only two grad transfers of consequence who have committed at this point are Makai Mason (Yale to Baylor) and Evan Bourdreax (Dartmouth to Purdue). Both were unique situations, Ivy league grads who didn't play last season and were forced to grad transfer due to ivy league rules. Mason has been committed to Baylor since the Fall and Bourdreaux was committed to Xavier since December and then switched to Purdue immediately after Mack was hired away.
Most grad transfers will commit in late April/May. There will be some that commit earlier and some that what until June or even July. Some don't even become available until June/July.
At the moment 381 transfers have been announced this offseason. The past 3 years there have been 800+ each season. We have a long way to go before we are done.
Xavier just got a verbal from the D2 player of the year...... after success that Strus had at Depaul certainly could be a good get for X.....https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/981964446359732224?s=21
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Xavier just got a verbal from the D2 player of the year...... after success that Strus had at Depaul certainly could be a good get for X.....https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/981964446359732224?s=21
And Duncan Robinson for Michigan, who played in the D-3 title game as a frosh.
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Rhapsodize poetic about the support of the fans.
Well, there are some fans who think his 4-point play against Syracuse was the biggest shot of the Buzz Era.
Forget all the game-winners by JFB, the conference-title-clincher and NCAA savior shots by Vander, the tying 30-footer by Junior, Katin's winning play against Nova, etc. And forget that Syracuse re-built its lead - plus - only a few minutes after that play by Jake.
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Forget all the game-winners by JFB, the conference-title-clincher and NCAA savior shots by Vander, the tying 30-footer by Junior, Katin's winning play against Nova, etc. And forget that Syracuse re-built its lead - plus - only a few minutes after that play by Jake.
One of these things is not like the others ....
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Sorry but what about 2.4 career assists per game screams excellent distributor. I’d rather have Chartouny because he is a better distributor and also a better defender. Replacing Rowsey’s scoring shouldn’t be the focus
Mooney's defense eats Chartouny's for breakfast. Nom nom. Chartouney is more disruptive with the 3.3 steals but Mooney is the type of defender that can lock somebody down. His points per possession allowed is in the 95th percentile of all Division 1 players.
As for his career 2.4 assists, I don't really care about how he averaged 1.8 assists three years ago at a different school. What I was looking at is last year when he averaged 3.1 assists a game despite not being able to pass to the best scorer on the team (himself).
I love Chartouney's fit for us, just check my handle. But Mooney is a better player and just as good of a fit.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
Duke has reached out to Albany grad transfer Joe Cremo, he told ESPN. 6-4 guard averaged 17.8 points, 4.1 rebounds, 3.8 assists and shot 46 percent from 3 this past season.
Groan.
Then again, with Duke bringing in a 5-star PG (Tre Jones), does Cremo want to go to a place where he might struggle to get 20 mpg?
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Not sold on Mooney. Don't think he is a high D1 player.
ChiTown, I love you like a brother (probably because you are my brother), but I feel like you say this about every player who used to play high school ball in Chicago.
What I know is this, Mooney's raw stats are beautiful. His advanced stats, beautiful. He played for a top 100 South Dakota team. And while he got shut down by Duke, KenPom's 3rd best team in the country, (3 points, 2 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 4 turnovers, 1/5 shooting), he also hung 31 points, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 6 turnovers, 12/22 shooting on TCU and 23 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 4 turnovers, 10/18 shooting on UCLA, both tournament teams. Yes, the turnovers were high in all three games, but that's what happens when your the best player on a low major team going against high major competition. Also, in 3 games against South Dakota State, a top 80 KenPom team and the autobid from the Summit, Mooney averaged 31 points, 5.7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.3 steals, 2 turnovers on 33/73 shooting.
I think this is pretty good evidence that he could be a D1 level player. I think if he were to transfer here, he would be one of our top 3 or 4 players. He already had strong efficiency numbers at South Dakota, those could sore if he was on a roster where he wasn't at the top of every scouting report.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
Duke has reached out to Albany grad transfer Joe Cremo, he told ESPN. 6-4 guard averaged 17.8 points, 4.1 rebounds, 3.8 assists and shot 46 percent from 3 this past season.
Groan.
Then again, with Duke bringing in a 5-star PG (Tre Jones), does Cremo want to go to a place where he might struggle to get 20 mpg?
Every year there seems to be one or two transfers that go to blue bloods that make you scratch your head. Good players who could be starters for other high majors and stars at some of the lower high majors but choose to go to a blue blood where they get few minutes. Don't know if they think they will have a role and are wrong, or just want to be a part of a championship caliber team.
Duke's starting lineup will undoubtedly feature 4 freshmen, all of whom are 6'7" or shorter. I would assume Marques Bolden would get the 5th starting spot. Could Cremo beat out DeLaurier and O'Connell for one of the top 2 spots on the bench? Theoretically. This also assumes that Duke doesn't pick up EJ Montgomery, another 5 star who would demand minutes. But at least at the moment, I don't see a clear backup PG on their roster for Jones so maybe Cremo could excel at that role.
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It's not so much Mooney (Though just the thought of having to cheer for someone who went to Notre Dame is already killing me), but more along the lines of I get really bad flashbacks to Jake Thomas.
Had the same thought about Rowsey when he transferred in, obviously wrong on that account. But you really have no clue how these low major players are going to perform against high competition on a nightly basis.
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Every year there seems to be one or two transfers that go to blue bloods that make you scratch your head. Good players who could be starters for other high majors and stars at some of the lower high majors but choose to go to a blue blood where they get few minutes. Don't know if they think they will have a role and are wrong, or just want to be a part of a championship caliber team.
Duke's starting lineup will undoubtedly feature 4 freshmen, all of whom are 6'7" or shorter. I would assume Marques Bolden would get the 5th starting spot. Could Cremo beat out DeLaurier and O'Connell for one of the top 2 spots on the bench? Theoretically. This also assumes that Duke doesn't pick up EJ Montgomery, another 5 star who would demand minutes. But at least at the moment, I don't see a clear backup PG on their roster for Jones so maybe Cremo could excel at that role.
Cremo could make for an excellent backup for Jones, but does a guy who's talked about using his grad transfer year to prepare himself for the next level want to go somewhere to serve as a backup?
It's an interesting question for him .... go to a place like Marquette where he'd have a great chance at starting for a team that gets much less exposure, or go serve as a backup for a blueblood with legit title aspirations?
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It's not so much Mooney (Though just the thought of having to cheer for someone who went to Notre Dame is already killing me), but more along the lines of I get really bad flashbacks to Jake Thomas.
Jake Thomas was a walk-on who got a scholarship because of numbers. And that's pretty much the level of play he attained.
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Wabbit twacks
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I’ll take Chartounay
But you are smoking rocks if you think he’s a better option then Mooney
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Appears to me Cremo, mooney or chartouhney are all very nice options with Wojo right in the middle.
The one thing that i have seen with Wojo is he is fearless and good about going in and recruiting at the very highest of levels. His recruiting has been nothing short of outstanding. Getting them to stay for 4 years n play defense has not been as successful but i am confidant he will get tgat turned around
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***This post is also included in the opening post of the thread. All Grad Transfer info is updated there as well***
Updating this for 4/5/2018. I am only including players Marquette has confirmed interest with. The original list of potential grad transfers was moved down to the 4th post of this thread. At the bottom of this post will be relevant articles for those looking for more grad transfer info.
- PG Joseph Chartouny, 6'3", Fordham: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=30576) / espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3906465/joseph-chartouny) Chartouny is a big PG that competed in the A-10 with less than stellar advanced numbers but an impressive raw statline (12.2 ppg/5.6 rpg/4.6 apg). He's a great defender that has been among the national leaders in steals each of the past two seasons. The hope would be that he would improve his efficiency if he had better surrounding talent. His shooting stats took a dip last year, but that could be because Fordham lost their three best players from 2017, two of which left as grad transfers: Christian Sengfelder to Boise State and Antwoine Anderson to UConn. It may be worth noting that Sengfelder and Anderson both put up career bests in offensive efficiency after leaving Fordham.
- SG Joe Cremo, 6'4", Albany: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=30046) / espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3918721/joe-cremo) This kid is an offensive beast. He ranked 15th in the country in offensive efficiency for players with 24+% usage, can score inside and out while also getting to the line and converting, and has a great raw line (17.8 ppg/4.1 rpg/3.8 apg). Defensively, he is the opposite. Cremo would likely fill the Rowsey role perfectly, putting up big numbers but allowing opponents to do the same. He's getting a lot of interest, including Duke.
- PG David Nichols, 6'0", Albany: kenpom (https://kenpom.com/player.php?p=30048) / espn (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3918723/david-nichols) The other half of the Albany backcourt isn't as heralded and has very average numbers. Decent efficiency, can score and shoot some, but doesn't pop off the page.
Paint Touches Free Agent Tracker (https://painttouches.com/2018/03/31/2018-ncaa-free-agent-tracker-3-31-edition/)
Grad Transfer Tracker (https://gradtransfertracker.com/potential-transfers-1/)
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Also, I had it in the thread, but a few people noted that Chartouny's efficiency dropped this past year. I think a big part of that is because three of their four leading scorers left the program. One to graduation, two went as graduate transfers. Both of the grad transfers improved their efficiency after leaving. The only player to score in double digits that didn't leave was Chartouny.
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Can Cremo shoot from the Al logo? Because if not, it isn't worth getting another, all be it taller, defensive sieve.
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I think this is pretty good evidence that he could be a D1 level player. I think if he were to transfer here, he would be one of our top 3 or 4 players. He already had strong efficiency numbers at South Dakota, those could sore if he was on a roster where he wasn't at the top of every scouting report.
TAMU, for all the solid numbers and explanation you offer, this bit makes me skeptical, especially when you reference his offense in the next sentence. Might he really be one of the top 3 or 4 players on the offensive end, with all we have on board already? Or, are you referring to him being one of the top 3 or 4 two-way players (of which we might've had only 2 last year anyway!)?
I've been hoping for a solid grad transfer that will fill particular roles, namely someone with height who is a distributor and reliable defender.
I don't know whether to be excited or wary about someone who might be one of the tope 3 or 4 players. Could it upset the balance of an evolving squad?
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Mooney's defense eats Chartouny's for breakfast. Nom nom. Chartouney is more disruptive with the 3.3 steals but Mooney is the type of defender that can lock somebody down. His points per possession allowed is in the 95th percentile of all Division 1 players.
As for his career 2.4 assists, I don't really care about how he averaged 1.8 assists three years ago at a different school. What I was looking at is last year when he averaged 3.1 assists a game despite not being able to pass to the best scorer on the team (himself).
I love Chartouney's fit for us, just check my handle. But Mooney is a better player and just as good of a fit.
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One of these things is not like the others ....
Yep. Just saw it. I'm stoopid sometimes. (Some might argue more than sometimes, but then I tell my wife to stop saying that about me.)
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I’ll take Chartounay
But you are smoking rocks if you think he’s a better option then Mooney
As a point guard? That's the whole question. Is Mooney a point guard like Chartouny?
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https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
Matt Mooney is transferring from South Dakota. He is the clear best player on the grad transfer market and is a perfect fit for what we need. Guard with size, strong distributor, and lockdown defender. Could turn us from a top 30 team to top 10 team.
Sic em Wojo
Agree with this statement 100%. This guy is almost too on the nose what we need. As much as I salivated at the prospect of Custer before the tournament run made that an impossibility, I think I like this guy as much or more. Please land here!
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So with all the grad transfers Wojo has talked to, does it seem likely that he's playing the 'I've got one slot for this so call me..... like soon'?
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ChiTown, I love you like a brother (probably because you are my brother), but I feel like you say this about every player who used to play high school ball in Chicago.
What I know is this, Mooney's raw stats are beautiful. His advanced stats, beautiful. He played for a top 100 South Dakota team. And while he got shut down by Duke, KenPom's 3rd best team in the country, (3 points, 2 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 4 turnovers, 1/5 shooting), he also hung 31 points, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 6 turnovers, 12/22 shooting on TCU and 23 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 4 turnovers, 10/18 shooting on UCLA, both tournament teams. Yes, the turnovers were high in all three games, but that's what happens when your the best player on a low major team going against high major competition. Also, in 3 games against South Dakota State, a top 80 KenPom team and the autobid from the Summit, Mooney averaged 31 points, 5.7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.3 steals, 2 turnovers on 33/73 shooting.
I think this is pretty good evidence that he could be a D1 level player. I think if he were to transfer here, he would be one of our top 3 or 4 players. He already had strong efficiency numbers at South Dakota, those could sore if he was on a roster where he wasn't at the top of every scouting report.
You two are kin? no chit.
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ChiTown, I love you like a brother (probably because you are my brother), but I feel like you say this about every player who used to play high school ball in Chicago.
WHAAAAAA????
Frat bro maybe?
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WHAAAAAA????
Frat bro maybe?
Eskimo?
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Eskimo?
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MAYBE this means they are out on Chartouney and they know it..
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/982289425362071552
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MAYBE this means they are out on Chartouney and they know it..
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/982289425362071552
Who are out? Tulane, Oklahoma and Louisville?
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Who are out? Tulane, Oklahoma and Louisville?
Louisville is/was also in on Chartouney.
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MAYBE this means they are out on Chartouney and they know it..
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/982289425362071552
Probably just doing their due diligence on all grad transfers, just like we are doing with Chartuoney/Cremo/Nichols.
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TAMU, for all the solid numbers and explanation you offer, this bit makes me skeptical, especially when you reference his offense in the next sentence. Might he really be one of the top 3 or 4 players on the offensive end, with all we have on board already? Or, are you referring to him being one of the top 3 or 4 two-way players (of which we might've had only 2 last year anyway!)?
I've been hoping for a solid grad transfer that will fill particular roles, namely someone with height who is a distributor and reliable defender.
I don't know whether to be excited or wary about someone who might be one of the tope 3 or 4 players. Could it upset the balance of an evolving squad?
Top 3 or 4 overall players. He's a better defender than anyone we had last season. His offense would be probably 4th best. Game isn't played on paper but statistically this kid is sweet.
I don't think Mooney (or Chartouney) would upset the balance at all. It would add balance. We are short on guards, defense, and distribution. We are heavy on forwards and offense. Either would fill in a lot of holes currently on our roster.
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Mooney higlight reel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ydPURFIexE
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Mooney higlight reel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ydPURFIexE
Yeah this guy is perfect
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Top 3 or 4 overall players. He's a better defender than anyone we had last season. His offense would be probably 4th best. Game isn't played on paper but statistically this kid is sweet.
I don't think Mooney (or Chartouney) would upset the balance at all. It would add balance. We are short on guards, defense, and distribution. We are heavy on forwards and offense. Either would fill in a lot of holes currently on our roster.
Any indication that MU has reached out to Mooney?
Get this guy some tape of Rowsey, and say here kid, look what you can do in this offense. You'll be flanked by two other upperclassman that can shoot from distance at a 45% or better clip. If you have pro aspirations, there is no better situation. I would think MU would be very attractive to a player like Mooney.
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Borzello didn’t list us as teams who have reached out to Mooney
It’s a lot of teams
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Not on Evan Daniels list either. No coaches following him on twitter. Either they are super confident with one of their other options, or they don't see enough of a fit for even a kick the tires call/follow.
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Not on Evan Daniels list either. No coaches following him on twitter. Either they are super confident with one of their other options, or they don't see enough of a fit for even a kick the tires call/follow.
I don't see how he could be seen as not a fit. Best defender of the group and best offensive player. Its been, what, 24 hours since he announced?
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There is no way we aren't going after Mooney unless there is an impending commitment from Chartouny/Cremo.
I bet we hadn't reached out at the time these writers were hearing his list.
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Well it's not like he's a pure point, seemed to play some this year with Dickerson to GT, but Tristan Simpson seemed to be their starting PG. Maybe seen as a little of duplication with MH. I know the team should be passing through a press, but someone to get it up the court against some high level pressure, even 1 on 1, is a priority. Not sure this guy fits that bill.
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Marquette going to talk to combo guard traditional transfer Koby McEwen (Utah State) this weekend, so my dream of Chartourny this year and McEwen taking over in 2019-2020 is still a possibility.
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Not on Evan Daniels list either. No coaches following him on twitter. Either they are super confident with one of their other options, or they don't see enough of a fit for even a kick the tires call/follow.
Maybe. It's also been about 24 hours since he was given his release. It's possible we will reach out later.
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Agree with this statement 100%. This guy is almost too on the nose what we need. As much as I salivated at the prospect of Custer before the tournament run made that an impossibility, I think I like this guy as much or more. Please land here!
I find it hard to believe the Matt Mooney is the type of player that catapults MU into a Top 10 caliber team next year.
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I find it hard to believe the Matt Mooney is the type of player that catapults MU into a Top 10 caliber team next year.
I believe we are already top 30.
Though thinking back, top 10 might have been jumping the shark a bit. It gets harder to move up the higher you go. Probably more like top 15 top 20
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I believe we are already top 30.
Though thinking back, top 10 might have been jumping the shark a bit. It gets harder to move up the higher you go. Probably more like top 15 top 20
That isn't what "jumping the shark" means.
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That isn't what "jumping the shark" means.
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If you look closely you can see the last shred of Tom Bosley's self-respect in the shark's mouth.
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Based on what little I know, Mooney would make a great addition to the team. But he does have a lower assist rate than all of the graduate transfers we're currently talking to.
I'm most nervous about Chartouny; Fordham was a truly terrible team this past season, finishing dead last (9-22, ranked #292 per KenPom.com) in a much-weakened A10 conference.
The Rams lost to #144 VCU by 25 points and #201 Duquesne by 23. At home. Fordham only played 7 games against top 100 teams (MU faced 28), losing all 7 by an average of 19 points. Chartouny didn't play all that great against those teams, either. Hard to judge how much better he could be surrounded by better players.
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How 'bout eat da cat, den, hey?
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Hard to judge how much better he could be surrounded by better players.
Look at his SO year stats. He was much better when he had better teammates around him....and those teammates weren't nearly as good as the teammates he would have here
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I'm most nervous about Chartouny; Fordham was a truly terrible team this past season, finishing dead last (9-22, ranked #292 per KenPom.com) in a much-weakened A10 conference.
Chartouny's sophomore year he was one of 4 double digits scorers. One graduated, two left as grad transfers. That team last year was incredibly depleted. Not saying he's an offensive dynamo, but he's better than what he showed last year.
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Chartouny's sophomore year he was one of 4 double digits scorers. One graduated, two left as grad transfers. That team last year was incredibly depleted. Not saying he's an offensive dynamo, but he's better than what he showed last year.
All things being equal, I'd take Chartouny, but I think I'd rather have Cremo..now that kid can score.
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All things being equal, I'd take Chartouny, but I think I'd rather have Cremo..now that kid can score.
Yeah, but like Rowsey, he'll give one up on the defensive end for every make he gets. Honestly, I'm not worried about getting another scorer. Howard can score. Sam can score. Cain, Elliott, Anim, and Theo all showed they could step up, and I'm sure Morrow and Joey will be able to score as well. We need a defender and distributor. Not another guy who's allergic to defending.
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Yeah, but like Rowsey, he'll give one up on the defensive end for every make he gets. Honestly, I'm not worried about getting another scorer. Howard can score. Sam can score. Cain, Elliott, Anim, and Theo all showed they could step up, and I'm sure Morrow and Joey will be able to score as well. We need a defender and distributor. Not another guy who's allergic to defending.
I get that, but for my money, I will take a guy that can score any day of the week. The more the merrier. Yes, he isn't as good defensively, but he is also 6'4" and by that alone, won't be as bad as Rowsey. Not to mention the defense should be better anyway with Joey and Morrow. Especially if Wojo can devise a scheme to play to their strengths defensively.
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I get that, but for my money, I will take a guy that can score any day of the week. The more the merrier. Yes, he isn't as good defensively, but he is also 6'4" and by that alone, won't be as bad as Rowsey. Not to mention the defense should be better anyway with Joey and Morrow. Especially if Wojo can devise a scheme to play to their strengths defensively.
I don't want to nitpick, but let's say Wojo takes a scorer who sucks on defense - I don't know if this describes Cremo or not, just saying let's say that's who Wojo gets.
Then, if we suck on defense again next year, the critics will say it's because either Wojo couldn't devise a good scheme with another all-bad-defense backcourt or because Wojo insisted on bringing in another scorer who couldn't play defense. Either way, it would be all on Wojo, right?
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I don't want to nitpick, but let's say Wojo takes a scorer who sucks on defense - I don't know if this describes Cremo or not, just saying let's say that's who Wojo gets.
Then, if we suck on defense again next year, the critics will say it's because either Wojo couldn't devise a good scheme with another all-bad-defense backcourt or because Wojo insisted on bringing in another scorer who couldn't play defense. Either way, it would be all on Wojo, right?
I honestly dont see ANY way the defense isn't better regardless of who he brings in. I think a vast majority agree that a lot of the defensive issues were because of the two midgets..well that allieviates itself next year..so by that alone, the D should be better.
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I honestly dont see ANY way the defense isn't better regardless of who he brings in. I think a vast majority agree that a lot of the defensive issues were because of the two midgets..well that allieviates itself next year..so by that alone, the D should be better.
Yeah, but the two midgets were both crappy defenders. If you replace one with another crappy defender, there's no real reason to expect significant defensive improvement. I don't want another poor defender. Honestly, that also worries me about McEwen. He's a terrible defender.
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Yeah, but the two midgets were both crappy defenders. If you replace one with another crappy defender, there's no real reason to expect significant defensive improvement. I don't want another poor defender. Honestly, that also worries me about McEwen. He's a terrible defender.
On McEwen, he was a decent defender his freshman year, statistically speaking. He took a big step back as a sophomore. I'm not familiar enough with Utah State to know what happened, but I think there might be more hope for him as a defender.
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Yeah, but the two midgets were both crappy defenders. If you replace one with another crappy defender, there's no real reason to expect significant defensive improvement. I don't want another poor defender. Honestly, that also worries me about McEwen. He's a terrible defender.
Carr is a terrific defender though, and he is my preference for a traditional transfer over McEwen anyway, simply because he has 3 years left vs 2 for McEwen.
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Mooney higlight reel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ydPURFIexE
I'm not sure I've ever regretted pressing "Tap here to unmute" on a YouTube video more than on that one
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What do you think about Prentiss Nixon,6'2" guard from Colorado State? Lead the team in scoring and is from Bolling Brook.
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Also, I had it in the thread, but a few people noted that Chartouny's efficiency dropped this past year. I think a big part of that is because three of their four leading scorers left the program. One to graduation, two went as graduate transfers. Both of the grad transfers improved their efficiency after leaving. The only player to score in double digits that didn't leave was Chartouny.
In value add he dropped every year, from 3.24, to 3.13 to 2.15 I believe (not on computer but flipped over on phone). Your thought makes sense, but I will tell you that i notice the extra defensive attention when strong teammates leave is usually offset in value add by the addition opportunities you get, and since players average and improvement each year, I do have some concern over the value add drop and the overall number.
However, we are very unlikely to replace Rowseys overall impact - if so someone can run the point and play defense I'm happy.
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What do you think about Prentiss Nixon,6'2" guard from Colorado State? Lead the team in scoring and is from Bolling Brook.
#eFG%Matta
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What do you think about Prentiss Nixon,6'2" guard from Colorado State? Lead the team in scoring and is from Bolling Brook.
I haven't seen any indication that he graduated. Believe his is a sit one, play one
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Well we don't have to worry about whether or not David Nichols is a good fit or not. He committed to Florida State today while on campus, his first and only visit.
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Well we don't have to worry about whether or not David Nichols is a good fit or not. He committed to Florida State today while on campus, his first and only visit.
Wojo cooled on him anyway.
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Well we don't have to worry about whether or not David Nichols is a good fit or not. He committed to Florida State today while on campus, his first and only visit.
Can’t blame the kid for choosing FSU after time in midstate in NY. The scenery change alone probably sold him.
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Well we don't have to worry about whether or not David Nichols is a good fit or not. He committed to Florida State today while on campus, his first and only visit.
The FSU recruiter for Nichols is Dennis Gates who hails from Chicago (and was an MU asst for a short time as well as an MU recruiting target in HS).
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Wojo and Brett Nelson are in Quebec today meeting with Joseph Chartouny.
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Wojo and Brett Nelson are in Quebec today meeting with Joseph Chartouny.
Fr. Jacques Marquette started his mission in French Canada.
#donedeal #sharpie
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Wojo and Brett Nelson are in Quebec today meeting with Joseph Chartouny.
All-Defensive team at 6’3, let’s lock it up!
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Lock em down Wojo
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What do you think about Prentiss Nixon,6'2" guard from Colorado State? Lead the team in scoring and is from Bolling Brook.
He is not a crook
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He is not a crook
Well, we need a crook.
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Colorado State transfer Prentiss Nixon has heard from Loyola Chicago, Creighton, Western Kentucky, Kansas State, and Dayton.
Marquette, Toledo, Buffalo, Butler, and Northern Illinois have also reached out to CSU transfer Prentiss Nixon tonight.
Has one year left.
Could get a waiver so he could be immediately eligibility.
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Kory Holden off the board to South Alabama.
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Xavier just got a verbal from the D2 player of the year...... after success that Strus had at Depaul certainly could be a good get for X.....https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/981964446359732224?s=21
Xavier plans on being active in grad transfer market as they have 4 open scholarships.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2018/04/05/ferris-states-zach-hankins-play-xavier-grad-transfer/33584303/
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2018/04/06/xavier-basketball-travis-steele-add-ferris-states-zach-hankins-grad-transfer-market/492343002/
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Mooney meeting with Oregon, TCU, Texas Tech, I4, and Northwestern FWIW.
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Mooney meeting with Oregon, TCU, Texas Tech, I4, and Northwestern FWIW.
Damn Oregon would be a real nice team with him. Assuming we're all in on Chartouny then? Or reached out to Mooney but didn't make the cut?
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Damn Oregon would be a real nice team with him. Assuming we're all in on Chartouny then? Or reached out to Mooney but didn't make the cut?
Haven't seen us connected to Mooney anywhere. Makes me think that staff likes their chances with Cremo or Chartouney and decided to double down there
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Cremo is visiting Creighton
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He is not a crook
Do you have any tapes on the guy?
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Is there any chance McEwen could play next year? https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/983179465751658496?s=21
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Is there any chance McEwen could play next year? https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/983179465751658496?s=21
Unless there something crazy going on behind the scenes, no
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More importantly, are any of these transfers coming to visit MU?
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Heard nobody from MU has called about Mooney. New teams were calling though, OU/Kevin Kruger and KU/Self just today, so maybe they get involved later. Wants to play (has to see minutes available) and wants to go to tournament. Not a point guard, wants to shoot the ball.
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Heard nobody from MU has called about Mooney. New teams were calling though, OU/Kevin Kruger and KU/Self just today, so maybe they get involved later. Wants to play (has to see minutes available) and wants to go to tournament. Not a point guard, wants to shoot the ball.
Interesting, probably why MU has not kicked the tires. Definitely need a PG. Good luck to the guy, looks like an intriguing player that will make some noise at the high major level.
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The FSU recruiter for Nichols is Dennis Gates who hails from Chicago (and was an MU asst for a short time as well as an MU recruiting target in HS).
DG would have been at MU if Quentin Richardson signed with MU. I got to know DG a little when he was a coach here. Package deal with Cordell. It looked promising until the end and we thought Kansas was biggest hurdle. One of the rare times when the coaching staff's story about a recruitment meshed with the player's version.
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Tarin Smith, Duquesne's starting PG the past two seasons, just announced that he is grad transferring. Averaged 12.4 ppg, 3.2 apg last year. He spent his freshman year at Nebraska (didn't overlap with Morrow, though).
No clue what he brings defensively. Speculation is that he might end up at UCONN, as he played high school ball for Bobby Hurley Sr.
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Tarin Smith, Duquesne's starting PG the past two seasons, just announced that he is grad transferring. Averaged 12.4 ppg, 3.2 apg last year. He spent his freshman year at Nebraska (didn't overlap with Morrow, though).
No clue what he brings defensively. Speculation is that he might end up at UCONN, as he played high school ball for Bobby Hurley Sr.
I’d rather have Chartouney
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I’d rather have Chartouney
Yeah, no doubt. And after watching a few of his clips, I don't see him filling the need for a primary ball-handler/defender. He led the team in turnovers (69).
I also lied - he wasn't a starter, but played almost 30 minutes a game and was 6th man of the year in the A-10.
He also thanked "the University of Duquesne" in his tweet announcing the transfer. That is forgivable coming from a recruit (as we here at the University of Marquette have gotten used to over the years), but it concerns me given that he spent two seasons playing there.
In other news, the reason for his transfer might be Duquesne's recent signing of an Ohio PG named Sincere Carry - you have to respect a man whose name describes his game.
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DG would have been at MU if Quentin Richardson signed with MU. I got to know DG a little when he was a coach here. Package deal with Cordell. It looked promising until the end and we thought Kansas was biggest hurdle. One of the rare times when the coaching staff's story about a recruitment meshed with the player's version.
I'm confused here. He would have come to MU if Richardson had signed (was that ever realistic, considering it was Deane doing the recruiting and DePaul was making a significant investment in Richardson), yet was also package deal with Cordell, who did come here, but ended up at Cal instead?
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https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/butler-insider/2018/04/09/butler-has-no-grad-transfers-so-far-targets-high-school-prospect/500215002/
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Cremo to visit Creighton
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/blog/recruiting-grad-transfer-joe-cremo-expected-to-officially-visit-creighton/article_d1ee8e3f-7237-5ba4-9d55-15e39c0f576c.html
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Cremo to visit Creighton
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/blog/recruiting-grad-transfer-joe-cremo-expected-to-officially-visit-creighton/article_d1ee8e3f-7237-5ba4-9d55-15e39c0f576c.html
I know we can’t really talk with our D the last few years
But seems like such a Creighton player
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I know we can’t really talk with our D the last few years
But seems like such a Creighton player
Too tall for us?
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I'm confused here. He would have come to MU if Richardson had signed (was that ever realistic, considering it was Deane doing the recruiting and DePaul was making a significant investment in Richardson), yet was also package deal with Cordell, who did come here, but ended up at Cal instead?
Sorry, he was a package deal with Q & Cordell but not without Q. I think it was mutual. He would have loved to play with Q & Cordell. And Mike would have signed Chico’s to get Q. He spoke very highly of his recruiting relationship with Mike and his staff.
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Sorry, he was a package deal with Q & Cordell but not without Q. I think it was mutual. He would have loved to play with Q & Cordell. And Mike would have signed Chico’s to get Q. He spoke very highly of his recruiting relationship with Mike and his staff.
This is all true, even if "Insider Billy" doesn't get it. Dennis worked summers at the CBOE in the pit where I traded and Q was a frequent visitor. We were finalists along with, believe it or not, SLU and DePaul. He liked Mike D a lot and LOVED the basketball dorms/apartments. In the end, though, he decided to stay home.
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Per Jeff Goodman's Twitter:Fordham grad transfer Joseph Chartouny will host Louisville on a home visit on Friday, and will take an official to Marquette on April 17.
Go get him Wojo!
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Per Jeff Goodman's Twitter:Fordham grad transfer Joseph Chartouny will host Louisville on a home visit on Friday, and will take an official to Marquette on April 17.
Go get him Wojo!
Wojo vs. Mack square off once again.
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Per Jeff Goodman's Twitter:Fordham grad transfer Joseph Chartouny will host Louisville on a home visit on Friday, and will take an official to Marquette on April 17.
Go get him Wojo!
Mack's pitch: well we may not even be eligible for the tournament but Pitino left the numbers for the city's best hookers!
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Per Jeff Goodman's Twitter:Fordham grad transfer Joseph Chartouny will host Louisville on a home visit on Friday, and will take an official to Marquette on April 17.
Go get him Wojo!
Hope he makes it to MKE. I’d rather be his first visit
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Hope he makes it to MKE. I’d rather be his first visit
I think we might be. He's only hosting Louisville in-home.
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Hope he makes it to MKE. I’d rather be his first visit
We are. We did an in home with him last weekend. Louisville is doing a visit this weekend. We already have an official visit scheduled for Tuesday. No official visit for Louisville yet
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Sic 'em Wojo!
Hopefully someone tells Chartouny about Damien Lee and Trey Lewis. Two grad transfers that went to Louisville, only for Louisville to be sanctioned and miss the NCAA that year.
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Mack's pitch: "Jospeh, do you care about your hips? Because Steve Wojohousekey doesn't"
Wojo's pitch: "So as you can see on this next slide, we have a great team coming in fall. We will be a top seed in the tourney. 7 at least."
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Louisville is still Louisville. They have world class facilities and history to offer. And for once they can actually offer immediate playing time
But they have no freshmen coming in, no transfers coming in, and just lost 4 of their best players from an NIT level team. If Chartouney wants to make the tournament, Louisville won't get him there.
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I think we might be. He's only hosting Louisville in-home.
We are. We did an in home with him last weekend. Louisville is doing a visit this weekend. We already have an official visit scheduled for Tuesday. No official visit for Louisville yet
Gotcha thanks fellas!
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Louisville is still Louisville. They have world class facilities and history to offer. And for once they can actually offer immediate playing time
But they have no freshmen coming in, no transfers coming in, and just lost 4 of their best players from an NIT level team. If Chartouney wants to make the tournament, Louisville won't get him there.
I am actually pretty optimistic here. We can show him an exact role and how wonderfully his skills fit within that role. I am sure that Wojo has had some real good conversations with Markus and Greg to talk about what he brings to the table and what their roles would be. I'm sure they would be excellent hosts.
Not sure how important this is, but he went to a Jesuit high school and selected a Jesuit college. Marquette seems like the perfect next step in his career.
Let's just hope he like ice cream even though the weather looks like crap next week.
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Not sure how important this is, but he went to a Jesuit high school and selected a Jesuit college. Marquette seems like the perfect next step in his career.
Plus, his freakin' initials are JC!
Seriously, this is good stuff. It's really hard to imagine a much more perfect fit for him, especially if making the NCAAs in his one remaining season is paramount.
Assuming Wojo and Katin are still on great terms - and I have no reason to think they wouldn't be - wouldn't it be nice if Katin gets in contact with JC to tell him how wonderful it was to spend his grad-transfer season as a key player in Marquette's run to the NCAAs?
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I am actually pretty optimistic here. We can show him an exact role and how wonderfully his skills fit within that role. I am sure that Wojo has had some real good conversations with Markus and Greg to talk about what he brings to the table and what their roles would be. I'm sure they would be excellent hosts.
Not sure how important this is, but he went to a Jesuit high school and selected a Jesuit college. Marquette seems like the perfect next step in his career.
Let's just hope he like ice cream even though the weather looks like crap next week.
Who doesn't like ice cream? If he doesn't like ice cream or Arby's I don't want him playing for MU
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Who doesn't like ice cream? If he doesn't like ice cream or Arby's I don't want him playing for MU
He could be lactose intolerant.
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I agree, if I were wojo I would also mention Damien Lee.
I would also agree that Louisville is great and has great facilities but MU has some top notch facilities as well for training. And oh, JC if you're a fan of facilities and basketball how do you feel about playing in a BRAND NEW NBA facility and running into NBA players on a regular basis?
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Marquette is looking at Koby McEwen from Utah State.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/984073492575477761
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Marquette is looking at Koby McEwen from Utah State.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/984073492575477761
See traditional transfer thread.
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I think our track record with grad transfers speaks for itself. We can literally show the tape of Katin against Nova, and, assuming it's allowed by the NCAA, have Katin speak with JC directly about the extraordinary experience he had in his one year here. We also have kids who I know are welcoming and all about 'team'. I believe Howard will gladly move to the #2 and absolutely excel if Chartouny is our point.
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And Carlino.
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I am very optimistic about JC and have been since he first came available. Think we will seal the deal on campus
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I am very optimistic about JC and have been since he first came available. Think we will seal the deal on campus
Yep, your mention of him got my attention. Then I looked up his stats and said, "Let's get this guy." Then I saw the highlights and said, "Now."
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The Louisville counter pitch should be simple: "Two years ago Damion Lee picked UL under a cloud of scandal over Marquette so he could get to the NCAA tournament. They self imposed a postseason ban and he never played in the tournament. Now they are being investigated by the FBI. So do you want to play in the NCAA tournament at Marquette or watch it on TV in Louisville?"
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Not that any of us advocate negative recruiting, of course! 8-)
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Not that any of us advocate negative recruiting, of course! 8-)
With respect to Loserville, I'm all for negative recruiting.
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/984195797595119623?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/984195797595119623?s=21
Looks like JC or bust at this point. Come on Wojo, land the plane
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Creighton loses Harrell
https://twitter.com/nickbahe/status/984218648565993474?s=21
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Looks like JC or bust at this point. Come on Wojo, land the plane
This is a dangerous slope...should have more irons in the fire...what if they don't land JC?? Absolutely NEED a grad transfer point this year and it would be kind of hard to make up ground for the others out there. Wojo must be pretty confident they will land him..hope he's right
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This is a dangerous slope...should have more irons in the fire...what if they don't land JC?? Absolutely NEED a grad transfer point this year and it would be kind of hard to make up ground for the others out there. Wojo must be pretty confident they will land him..hope he's right
Or JC just didn't want to come to Marquette?
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This is a dangerous slope...should have more irons in the fire...what if they don't land JC?? Absolutely NEED a grad transfer point this year and it would be kind of hard to make up ground for the others out there. Wojo must be pretty confident they will land him..hope he's right
There is still time man. But I do agree, ending up empty handed would be stupid. It probably makes sense to start working on some back up plans to Chartouney.
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There is still time man. But I do agree, ending up empty handed would be stupid. It probably makes sense to start working on some back up plans to Chartouney.
That's what i mean, nothing in recruiting is a given..and Wojo has to know how big the need is, he really can't afford to go empty handed, to me, he should have a plan B and C as well right now. Then again, with as quiet as this staff is on the recruiting front, he very well could have and we just haven't heard about it.
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Creighton loses Harrell
https://twitter.com/nickbahe/status/984218648565993474?s=21
That's a pretty big blow.
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That's a pretty big blow.
MU's defense just took a hit!
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MU's defense just took a hit!
Ha! My first thought as well
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https://www.diehards.com/louisville/chris-mack-challenge-louisville
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Chartouney making a campus visit on 4/17.
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https://www.diehards.com/louisville/chris-mack-challenge-louisville
I hope Mack falls flat on his face.
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If he does fall on his face, his fat bank account will soften the landing!
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If he does fall on his face, his fat bank account will soften the landing!
His "new and unique challenges" will soften the landing
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I hope Mack falls flat on his face.
I think Travis Steele will fall flat on his face this year. They are adding too many grad transfers to their roster. Castlin will likely be looking to start while Welage and Hankins are used to being the go-to options on their teams. When bringing in a grad transfer, I think you need to see where you have a hole and fill in with a guy, not build a team around them. It will be harder to create cohesion and keep everyone happy, especially when you already have guys like Goodin and Gates that have been waiting years for their chance only to see these guys brought in. It wouldn't surprise me to see mid-season transfers and a lot of confusion around the program.
Going into next season, I thought that Xavier returning five guys that looked like solid starters (Goodin, Scruggs, Marshall, Gates, Jones) was going to be a surefire NCAA team as guys stepped into opportunity. Instead, you have 8 guys that won't know who's supposed to lead them and no established order. Had they brought in one grad transfer, I could see it working, but this is just too much. Maybe even 2. But I don't see 3 working when you have 5 guys coming back that played 15+ mpg each and have patiently waited their turn.
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I think Travis Steele will fall flat on his face this year. They are adding too many grad transfers to their roster. Castlin will likely be looking to start while Welage and Hankins are used to being the go-to options on their teams. When bringing in a grad transfer, I think you need to see where you have a hole and fill in with a guy, not build a team around them. It will be harder to create cohesion and keep everyone happy, especially when you already have guys like Goodin and Gates that have been waiting years for their chance only to see these guys brought in. It wouldn't surprise me to see mid-season transfers and a lot of confusion around the program.
Going into next season, I thought that Xavier returning five guys that looked like solid starters (Goodin, Scruggs, Marshall, Gates, Jones) was going to be a surefire NCAA team as guys stepped into opportunity. Instead, you have 8 guys that won't know who's supposed to lead them and no established order. Had they brought in one grad transfer, I could see it working, but this is just too much. Maybe even 2. But I don't see 3 working when you have 5 guys coming back that played 15+ mpg each and have patiently waited their turn.
These three are probably going to be coming off the bench. Can they handle that as grad transfers?
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brew and Nuke, if Steele was up-front with the grad transfers, and if most of those guys are good team players, isn't there plenty of time to let them develop chemistry and friendship together?
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brew and Nuke, if Steele was up-front with the grad transfers, and if most of those guys are good team players, isn't there plenty of time to let them develop chemistry and friendship together?
Sure, but when the games start and the minutes are much lower, things start to change.
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I hope Mack falls flat on his face.
"Mack might not need to win a national title or even the ACC in his first year"
Well I'm sure Mack finds this good to hear......
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brew and Nuke, if Steele was up-front with the grad transfers, and if most of those guys are good team players, isn't there plenty of time to let them develop chemistry and friendship together?
I agree with Nuke. Think of teams that suddenly go free agent heavy, not just in basketball, but in any sports. Or those Kentucky teams that seem to gel later in the season. Sometimes it works, but even the one-and-done schools that do win it either have ridiculous talent (Kentucky with Anthony Davis & Michael Kidd-Gilchrist in 2012) or important veterans (Duke with Quinn Cook & Amile Jefferson in 2015). And you could argue those teams had a bit of both (Darius Miller on Kentucky, Jahlil Okafor on Duke).
I'm not saying it can't work, but I think for a team like that to work, you need leaders already in place or a talent level that is simply overwhelming. I don't think Xavier has either of those things. My guess is most people will pick them for 2nd in the league again, but I'm guessing they are closer to the 5th-7th range and a bubble team at best. Just my opinion based on how they are constructing the roster.
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I think Xavier will be fine. All three grad transfers that they picked up strike me as bench players for them. But because they are coming from schools that had zero hope of making the Big Dance (or at least the D1 Big Dance) they will be happy just to have a role on a competitor. The three they got don't strike me as guys looking to showcase themselves but more to win at the highest level.
I see a rotation of:
PG: Quentin Goodin
SG: Paul Scruggs
SF: Naji Marshall
PF: Kaiser Gates
C: Tyrique Jones
B1: Ryan Welage
B2: Kyle Castlin
B3: Zach Hankins
I think that's a group that could finish in second in the Big East. The three grad transfers off the bench also give their 3 star 2017 recruits a year to get experience and stronger without having to rely on them....without forcing some of their core guys like Scruggs and Jones to the bench.
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Wojo covering his bases in case we miss on Chartoney
https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/984515519792500737?s=21
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Wojo covering his bases in case we miss on Chartoney
https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/984515519792500737?s=21
Interesting. He's a former top 100 recruit. He was a starter for a meh Alabama team. Transferred to Samford where he was a elite distributor before transferring again. He would answer our questions on offense but he's another midget who can't play defense. He's a high major player but I question the fit. Hope we land Chartouney so this is a non issue.
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Interesting. He's a former top 100 recruit. He was a starter for a meh Alabama team. Transferred to Samford where he was a elite distributor before transferring again. He would answer our questions on offense but he's another midget who can't play defense. He's a high major player but I question the fit. Hope we land Chartouney so this is a non issue.
Fit may not be great, but having backup plans is important. We need another PG.
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Coleman looks like a 10-15 mpg backup/ insurance plan. Better than nothing but I'd much rather have Chartouny.
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I think Xavier will be fine. All three grad transfers that they picked up strike me as bench players for them. But because they are coming from schools that had zero hope of making the Big Dance (or at least the D1 Big Dance) they will be happy just to have a role on a competitor. The three they got don't strike me as guys looking to showcase themselves but more to win at the highest level.
I see a rotation of:
PG: Quentin Goodin
SG: Paul Scruggs
SF: Naji Marshall
PF: Kaiser Gates
C: Tyrique Jones
B1: Ryan Welage
B2: Kyle Castlin
B3: Zach Hankins
I think that's a group that could finish in second in the Big East. The three grad transfers off the bench also give their 3 star 2017 recruits a year to get experience and stronger without having to rely on them....without forcing some of their core guys like Scruggs and Jones to the bench.
This is it exactly...I think these guys will all just be happy to be on a team that is in a much higher level conference, and probably realize they won't need to be "the man" like they were on their old teams. Not all grad transfers are created equal and I think if they understand the deal ahead of time, it will work out fine.
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I think Xavier will be fine. All three grad transfers that they picked up strike me as bench players for them. But because they are coming from schools that had zero hope of making the Big Dance (or at least the D1 Big Dance) they will be happy just to have a role on a competitor. The three they got don't strike me as guys looking to showcase themselves but more to win at the highest level.
I see a rotation of:
PG: Quentin Goodin
SG: Paul Scruggs
SF: Naji Marshall
PF: Kaiser Gates
C: Tyrique Jones
B1: Ryan Welage
B2: Kyle Castlin
B3: Zach Hankins
I think that's a group that could finish in second in the Big East. The three grad transfers off the bench also give their 3 star 2017 recruits a year to get experience and stronger without having to rely on them....without forcing some of their core guys like Scruggs and Jones to the bench.
Welage said he was transferring because he wanted to be part of a winning program. He already did his showcasing . He will be fine coming off the bench as a sixth man as you outlined.
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These three are probably going to be coming off the bench. Can they handle that as grad transfers?
As grad transfers, they don't have a choice! They don't get another magic year of eligibility or another chance to transfer.
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Katin handled it fine here......everybody wants to start but as long as they get meaningful minutes I doubt it will be a problem.
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Chartouney making a campus visit on 4/17.
Can't wait. i had Cremo rated higher - the third highest rated player still available from among freshman, transfers, JUCOS etc. However, i saw BrewCity77 seemed higher on Joseph Chartouny, and then sorted www.valueaddbasketball.com by defense and realized he is actually the best defensive returning GUARD IN THE COUNTRY. Watching his video, I actually believe he would be even more valuable than Cremo to us, and believe his ability to drive and finish with our three-point shooters spreading the court - especially coming from the 4th WORST three-point shooting team in the country in Fordham.
Note: Major typo from my phone in the original post - he is actually the best defensive GUARD in the country - I had typed grad.
- Justin Simon #5 St. John's 6.62 BE 6-foot-5 3 Jr 3.52 -3.79 7.31 32 Gms 2019 Proj
Ethan Happ #22 Wisconsin /could go NBA 8.76 6-foot-10 4 Sr 6.38 -3.77 10.14 All-Amer HM^ 33 Gms 2019 Proj
Elijah Thomas #14 Clemson 6.76 ACC 6-foot-9 4 Sr 3.51 -3.64 7.15 35 Gms 2019 Proj
Keita Bates-Diop #33 Ohio St. /could go NBA 10.66 6-foot-7 3 Jr 8.25 -3.46 11.70 NBA Projected 35 (no agent)^All-Amer 3rd Team PF-4^ 34 Gms 2019 Proj
Ed Polite #24 Radford 6.82 BSth 6-foot-5 4 Sr 5.51 -3.33 8.84 34 Gms 2019 Proj
Oshae Brissett #11 Syracuse /could go NBA 7.69 6-foot-8 1 Fr 4.71 -3.29 8.00 Possible NBA Draft^37 Gms 2019 Proj
Joseph Chartouny #12 Available 2.75 6-foot-3 4 Sr 0.49 -3.24 3.73 Sr. Grad transfer from Fordham 2019 Proj
Moe Wagner #13 Michigan 8.58 B10 6-foot-11 3 Jr 5.98 -3.19 9.17
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Wojo covering his bases in case we miss on Chartoney
https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/984515519792500737?s=21
I changed my Profile name in honor of Canada's all-time greatest equine (both as a runner and a sire) and Joe Chartouney.
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Can't wait. i had Cremo rated higher - third highest rated player still available from among freshman, transfers, JUCOS etc. However, i saw BrewCity77 seemed higher on Joseph Chartouny, and then sorted www.valueaddbasketball.com by defense and realized he is actually the best defensive returning grad IN THE COUNTRY. Watching his video, I actually believe he would be even more valuable than Cremo to us, and believe his ability to drive and finish with our three-point shooters spreading the court - especially coming from the 4th WORST three point shooting team in the country in Fordham.
This is great, really hope he sees the obvious fit while on campus
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Can't wait. i had Cremo rated higher - third highest rated player still available from among freshman, transfers, JUCOS etc. However, i saw BrewCity77 seemed higher on Joseph Chartouny, and then sorted www.valueaddbasketball.com by defense and realized he is actually the best defensive returning grad IN THE COUNTRY. Watching his video, I actually believe he would be even more valuable than Cremo to us, and believe his ability to drive and finish with our three-point shooters spreading the court - especially coming from the 4th WORST three point shooting team in the country in Fordham.
What’s left to ponder, amigo? Your table is set, JC.
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I have zero information but I honestly believe that we get him.
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I have zero information but I honestly believe that we get him.
The fact that he has only announced one visit makes me happy. Hopefully he's not impressed by Louisville's in-home.
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What’s left to ponder, amigo? Your table is set, JC.
This ain't no slashy, folks. This is a pure breed point guard.
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I have zero information but I honestly believe that we get him.
Now this is a Scoop meme contender!
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I have zero information but I honestly believe that we get him.
Source?
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I have zero information but I honestly believe that we get him.
Logic and whatever "tea leaves" are available to read agree with you.
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Source?
My fertile mind! ;D
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Katin handled it fine here......everybody wants to start but as long as they get meaningful minutes I doubt it will be a problem.
Use Katin's girlfriend as the closer. (kidding)....MU does not see that "level" of talent around campus typically.....She was a major babe.....Chartoney comes from Montreal.....A very very rich environment.....Hopefully he is already spoken for.....
General rule.....as the GPA goes up.....the admission standards are harder to find.....
I was just down at MIT with my daughter for a HS awards ceremony......It is severely dripping "geek" there......Ugggh.....
I guess there are less distractions......
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Use Katin's girlfriend as the closer. (kidding)....MU does not see that "level" of talent around campus typically.....She was a major babe.....Chartoney comes from Montreal.....A very very rich environment.....Hopefully he is already spoken for.....
General rule.....as the GPA goes up.....the admission standards are harder to find.....
I was just down at MIT with my daughter for a HS awards ceremony......It is severely dripping "geek" there......Ugggh.....
I guess there are less distractions......
You have a high school age daughter and you’re checking out the 18-22 year old “talent” on college campuses/girlfriends of basketball players?
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You have a high school age daughter and you’re checking out the 18-22 year old “talent” on college campuses/girlfriends of basketball players?
Right? He should stick to checking out his daughter's friends.
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Right? He should stick to checking out his daughter's friends.
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those (college age+) breasts were just staring at me. I had to stare back to show that I wasn't intimidated.
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Can't wait. i had Cremo rated higher - third highest rated player still available from among freshman, transfers, JUCOS etc. However, i saw BrewCity77 seemed higher on Joseph Chartouny, and then sorted www.valueaddbasketball.com by defense and realized he is actually the best defensive returning grad IN THE COUNTRY. Watching his video, I actually believe he would be even more valuable than Cremo to us, and believe his ability to drive and finish with our three-point shooters spreading the court - especially coming from the 4th WORST three point shooting team in the country in Fordham.
Please let this happen...
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Please let this happen...
Agreed! Also, your reply made me realize a ajor typo from my phone in the original post - he is actually the best defensive GUARD in the country - I had typed grad.
- Justin Simon #5 St. John's 6.62 BE 6-foot-5 3 Jr 3.52 -3.79 7.31 32 Gms 2019 Proj
Ethan Happ #22 Wisconsin /could go NBA 8.76 6-foot-10 4 Sr 6.38 -3.77 10.14 All-Amer HM^ 33 Gms 2019 Proj
Elijah Thomas #14 Clemson 6.76 ACC 6-foot-9 4 Sr 3.51 -3.64 7.15 35 Gms 2019 Proj
Keita Bates-Diop #33 Ohio St. /could go NBA 10.66 6-foot-7 3 Jr 8.25 -3.46 11.70 NBA Projected 35 (no agent)^All-Amer 3rd Team PF-4^ 34 Gms 2019 Proj
Ed Polite #24 Radford 6.82 BSth 6-foot-5 4 Sr 5.51 -3.33 8.84 34 Gms 2019 Proj
Oshae Brissett #11 Syracuse /could go NBA 7.69 6-foot-8 1 Fr 4.71 -3.29 8.00 Possible NBA Draft^37 Gms 2019 Proj
Joseph Chartouny #12 Available 2.75 6-foot-3 4 Sr 0.49 -3.24 3.73 Sr. Grad transfer from Fordham 2019 Proj
Moe Wagner #13 Michigan 8.58 B10 6-foot-11 3 Jr 5.98 -3.19 9.17
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This ain't no slashy, folks. This is a pure breed point guard.
LOL
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I have zero information but I honestly believe that we get him.
Numerous long-term studies have shown that optimism yields positive mental and physical benefits.
I believe as well!
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Numerous long-term studies have shown that optimism yields positive mental and physical benefits.
I believe as well!
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Any updates on charcouterie?
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Any updates on charcouterie?
On campus visit tomorrow. Only scheduled visit at the moment
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On campus visit tomorrow. Only scheduled visit at the moment
I'm sure he'll love the 37 degree weather. Is there still snow on the ground?
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I'm sure he'll love the 37 degree weather. Is there still snow on the ground?
Well, he is from Montreal.....
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Well, he is from Montreal.....
Which is warmer than Milwaukee right now
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I'm sure he'll love the 37 degree weather. Is there still snow on the ground?
Yes, the 4 inches we got on Sunday. Looks like January around here. It could be worse. Green Bay got 26 inches. Second most, ever!
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https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/4/16/17216176/mid-major-transfer-tracker-updates-matt-mooney-zach-johnson-prentiss-nixon-joe-cremo-aaron-calixte
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Which is warmer than Milwaukee right now
Point is:
1. We're pretty sure he's seen snow before.
2. It's a good bet he was aware that it can get cold in the upper Midwest and yet decided to visit MU anyhow.
3. The fact he's even made MU one of his final schools is a pretty obvious sign that warm weather is not a top priority.
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https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/4/16/17216176/mid-major-transfer-tracker-updates-matt-mooney-zach-johnson-prentiss-nixon-joe-cremo-aaron-calixte
Seems like there was almost zero thought put into the predicted landing spots
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On campus visit tomorrow. Only scheduled visit at the moment
Another kind of one and done?
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It's funny to me that a board of alums for whom weather was nowhere near a contending factor would assume that it would be so for any particular recruit, much less one from ut nort, eh?
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Seems like there was almost zero thought put into the predicted landing spots
I particularly liked Cremo to Oregon despite them not being listed as a school with interest
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It's funny to me that a board of alums for whom weather was nowhere near a contending factor would assume that it would be so for any particular recruit, much less one from ut nort, eh?
In response, I can only remember a funny moment with Jae Crowder senior day. I really didn't know any MU players except a few I went to school with and suddenly had a strange Alabama/Georgia connection with Crowder that landed me an invite to getting together with his dad, and dad's high school coach for senior day (with only spouses included) for a nice, quick get together after Crowder torched Georgetown.
After a few pictures, and friendly chatter about Jae saying he needed a nap, his dad Corey mentioned we had moved from his native Georgia to Auburn. Jae turned, looked at me, and said,
"You came up here from the south too? Did you know how coooooold it was here?" Then this mountain of a man who had thrown opponents around all year starts to shiver even though we were inside, and said, "It is so cold here, it HURTS."
It seemed I had found the one thing Crowder feared, the cold! So yes, I love the cooler climate, married by Wisconsinite wife 30 years ago last night in Milwaukee and she did not like the cold and wanted to end up in the south so I am here, but Buzz's knack for trying to sign the guys from warm climates before they experienced a cold Milwaukee winter day seemed prudent for those who don't :-)
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It's funny to me that a board of alums for whom weather was nowhere near a contending factor would assume that it would be so for any particular recruit, much less one from ut nort, eh?
There is zero chance that Milwaukee's weather will have an impact on Chartouny's decision. He knows it's cold and snowy in winter.
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There is zero chance that Milwaukee's weather will have an impact on Chartouny's decision. He knows it's cold and snowy in winter.
For those on here freaking out about the weather, today is the nicest day Milwaukee has had in over a month.
Hopefully Wojo paid OT for the Marquette campus staff to melt all of the snow on campus.
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For those on here freaking out about the weather, today is the nicest day Milwaukee has had in over a month.
Hopefully Wojo paid OT for the Marquette campus staff to melt all of the snow on campus.
Yeah, a lot of white stuff around town.
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Chartouny is from Montreal and went to school in New York, which experienced record-low temperatures in January and was hit by three nor-easters last month. If we don't land him, weather would probably be the absolute least important reason. Just chill out and let's see what happens.
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Chartouny is from Montreal and went to school in New York, which experienced record-low temperatures in January and was hit by three nor-easters last month. If we don't land him, weather would probably be the absolute least important reason. Just chill out and let's see what happens.
You can see why he went out to Grand Canyon, the weather. But if he wants to play major college ball, Creighton and MU are it. MU has an open starting position on
the team next year, hope the players and him get along. Does Creighton have a point guard back next year? I know they lose Harrell, Foster, Thomas and Hegner,
that are big losses for sure but none were point guards. There sure are losing a lot.
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Yeah, a lot of white stuff around town.
Supplyin' coke ain't a recruiting violation no more?
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Supplyin' coke ain't a recruiting violation no more?
Ha!
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You can see why he went out to Grand Canyon, the weather. But if he wants to play major college ball, Creighton and MU are it. MU has an open starting position on
the team next year, hope the players and him get along. Does Creighton have a point guard back next year? I know they lose Harrell, Foster, Thomas and Hegner,
that are big losses for sure but none were point guards. There sure are losing a lot.
They return Daveon Mintz and Caleb Joseph at the point. Mintz was the starter last year as a Soph and was pretty inconsistent. Joseph hardly played at all.
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Creighton has 6'3" Davion Mintz coming back. He averaged 6.1 points, 3.1 assists, 3.2 rebounds and 0.4 steals in 21.1 minutes a game as a sophomore last season.
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You can see why he went out to Grand Canyon, the weather. But if he wants to play major college ball, Creighton and MU are it. MU has an open starting position on
the team next year, hope the players and him get along. Does Creighton have a point guard back next year? I know they lose Harrell, Foster, Thomas and Hegner,
that are big losses for sure but none were point guards. There sure are losing a lot.
Koby McChartouny?
Joseph Chartouny= Grad Transfer from Fordham; from Montreal
Koby McEwen = traditional transfer from Utah State; final 3 of Creighton, Marquette, and Grand Canyon; from Toronto, IIRC
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You can see why he went out to Grand Canyon, the weather. But if he wants to play major college ball, Creighton and MU are it. MU has an open starting position on
the team next year, hope the players and him get along. Does Creighton have a point guard back next year? I know they lose Harrell, Foster, Thomas and Hegner,
that are big losses for sure but none were point guards. There sure are losing a lot.
I don't believe Grand Canyon was involved with Chartouny.
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You can see why he went out to Grand Canyon, the weather. But if he wants to play major college ball, Creighton and MU are it. MU has an open starting position on
the team next year, hope the players and him get along. Does Creighton have a point guard back next year? I know they lose Harrell, Foster, Thomas and Hegner,
that are big losses for sure but none were point guards. There sure are losing a lot.
I think you have your canadian PGs mixed up. Koby McEwen is down to us, Grand Canyon, and Creighton. JC hasn't offiically announced a list but us and Louisville are the only two being mentioned with him.
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Trying to decide if I should get Canadian bacon on my sammich.
Done deal yet?
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Trying to decide if I should get Canadian bacon on my sammich.
Done deal yet?
I'm Changing.
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Supplyin' coke ain't a recruiting violation no more?
Nah, hes talkin about da cream chz for da bagels.
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It's funny to me that a board of alums for whom weather was nowhere near a contending factor would assume that it would be so for any particular recruit, much less one from ut nort, eh?
Not sure if it's a board of alums.
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For those on here freaking out about the weather, today is the nicest day Milwaukee has had in over a month.
Not true. Last week, it was 61 and sunny. Today's high is 38.
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Nah, hes talkin about da cream chz for da bagels.
What? No lox? I thought our program had the big bucks!
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Not true. Last week, it was 61 and sunny. Today's high is 38.
Ohh, I just figured it had been raining/snowing/sleeting for weeks given what we had this weekend.
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Ohh, I just figured it had been raining/snowing/sleeting for weeks given what we had this weekend.
That great moment of 61 lasted for one hour. Then it dropped to 45 later in the afternoon. Bad weather all over the Midwest and Northeast.
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Someone with eyes on the Al give us an update on the visit? 8-)
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The ink ink dry yet?? I dont get too wrapped up on recruits but i really think charcouterie could be the missing piece a really fantastic season that we have all been waiting fir for 5-6 yrs now😫
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Not true. Last week, it was 61 and sunny. Today's high is 38.
All that really matters is whether or not it's too cold for a visit from the ice cream truck.
If not, we good.
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I need an update (a commitment) like I need air to breathe.
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I need an update (a commitment) like I need air to breathe.
Heard that.
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Y'all, the visit is today. I wouldn't expect any news today. Possible, but unlikely.
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Y'all, the visit is today. I wouldn't expect any news today. Possible, but unlikely.
I read this, and my obvious conclusion is ...
Done deal!
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Clearly the Al needs one of them Sistine Chapel chimneys so a puff of white smoke can be seen whenever a recruit commits.
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Have any of the players started following him?
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The ink ink dry yet?? I dont get too wrapped up on recruits but i really think charcouterie could be the missing piece a really fantastic season that we have all been waiting fir for 5-6 yrs now😫
5yrs ago we were BE champs and in the E8 ranked in the top 10, 6yrs ago we were 2nd (now 1st) and in the sweet 16 and ranked in the top 10. Shame neither of those were really fantastic seasons.
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Have any of the players started following him?
GREAT question
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The ink ink dry yet?? I dont get too wrapped up on recruits but i really think charcouterie could be the missing piece a really fantastic season that we have all been waiting fir for 5-6 yrs now😫
Charcouterie is usually the remedy for missing pieces.
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I know a server at Cafe Benelux and Marquette men’s basketball had a private room reserved. Showed them a picture of Chartouny said that he was there.
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I know a server at Cafe Benelux and Marquette men’s basketball had a private room reserved. Showed them a picture of Chartouny said that he was there.
I can only feel good about this if I have it confirmed they ordered the tots.
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I know a server at Cafe Benelux and Marquette men’s basketball had a private room reserved. Showed them a picture of Chartouny said that he was there.
Don't like da smell of dis. If Wojo didn't spring for Carnevor or Rare, he ain't all in, hey?
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Don't like da smell of dis. If Wojo didn't spring for Carnevor or Rare, he ain't all in, hey?
I liked the old advertising slogan for Miller "The Champagne of bottled beers".
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I know a server at Cafe Benelux and Marquette men’s basketball had a private room reserved. Showed them a picture of Chartouny said that he was there.
Nice scoop
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Have any of the players started following him?
Just checked, no. Strange Nelson Wojo following, but he isn't following.
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Just checked, no. Strange Nelson Wojo following, but he isn't following.
He's not very prolific on Twitter however.
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I know a server at Cafe Benelux and Marquette men’s basketball had a private room reserved. Showed them a picture of Chartouny said that he was there.
If someone orders the beer sampler, could we break out the flight tracker?
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Just checked, no. Strange Nelson Wojo following, but he isn't following.
It should be noted, his Twitter follows are less than 90. Keeps a pretty strict list.
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It should be noted, his Twitter follows are less than 90. Keeps a pretty strict list.
Noted but still weird he would not follow either or at least Nelson. I think he is the one recruiting him.
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Fwiw though, i did notice who i believe to be Chartounys High School coach, started following Wojo.
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He's not very prolific on Twitter however.
He hasn't had any activity in the past month, including since his transfer was announced.
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Y'all, the visit is today. I wouldn't expect any news today. Possible, but unlikely.
At least Louisville would be crazy to pull the same stunts they did when Scooter McCray made his one last visit there after Marquette.
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I know a server at Cafe Benelux and Marquette men’s basketball had a private room reserved. Showed them a picture of Chartouny said that he was there.
That means no ice cream truck were screwed
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I know a server at Cafe Benelux and Marquette men’s basketball had a private room reserved. Showed them a picture of Chartouny said that he was there.
And???????
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And???????
I know some people want to know what they did. I talked to somebody in the athletic department who said the visit went really well and that both sides thinks it’s a great fit. Whether that turns into a commitment is anybody’s guess, fingers crossed though.
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I'm hearing the same thing too from the AD.
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Knot feelin' it, hey?
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I know some people want to know what they did. I talked to somebody in the athletic department who said the visit went really well and that both sides thinks it’s a great fit. Whether that turns into a commitment is anybody’s guess, fingers crossed though.
This is exactly what scoop was made for. Glad to hear!
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I know some people want to know what they did. I talked to somebody in the athletic department who said the visit went really well and that both sides thinks it’s a great fit. Whether that turns into a commitment is anybody’s guess, fingers crossed though.
Good to hear. I have faith that Wojo hammered home the benefits of playing on this team and how playing with a high level of competition can make him better. Hoping for good news!
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And here I'm Islandwide blackout again for 24-36 hours. Limited internet hope we hear soon or I'll be in total panic next 24-36 hours ;D
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And here I'm Islandwide blackout again for 24-36 hours. Limited internet hope we hear soon or I'll be in total panic next 24-36 hours ;D
glow jr. is pounding on metal things with a big hammer. :o
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Too quiet!
C'mon JC, a fellow Jesuit institution is in need.
Choosing Loserville would be like joining the Dark Side, not to mention the Loserville fan base views JC as a bench warming, role playing, insurance policy!
p.s. Louisville has been cheating for years and Chris Mack is a hack!
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glow jr. is pounding on metal things with a big hammer. :o
LOL
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I figure we're good as long as we don't see a cryptic twit from Stan about life giving you artichokes that you have to try to turn into kumquats.
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I figure we're good as long as we don't see a cryptic twit from Stan about life giving you artichokes that you have to try to turn into kumquats.
You mean like this?
Stan Johnson
@MUCoachJohnson
4h4 hours ago
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Coaching has taught me that the people who need the most love will ask for it in the most unloving of ways. The only way to understand that, is to go deeper than the surface level. Sometimes things aren’t always as they may appear to be.
FEAR = FALSE EVIDENCE APPEARING REAL
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You mean like this?
Stan Johnson
@MUCoachJohnson
4h4 hours ago
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Coaching has taught me that the people who need the most love will ask for it in the most unloving of ways. The only way to understand that, is to go deeper than the surface level. Sometimes things aren’t always as they may appear to be.
FEAR = FALSE EVIDENCE APPEARING REAL
Uh-oh.
Or maybe that's good.
Can't tell!
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You mean like this?
Stan Johnson
@MUCoachJohnson
4h4 hours ago
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Coaching has taught me that the people who need the most love will ask for it in the most unloving of ways. The only way to understand that, is to go deeper than the surface level. Sometimes things aren’t always as they may appear to be.
FEAR = FALSE EVIDENCE APPEARING REAL
Longest fortune cookie ever
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That means no ice cream truck were screwed
What about dessert?
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Eerily quiet around here.
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Huge ass recruit for Wojo, he needs to get his program to a point where its a destination and these type of pickups are no brainers
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Huge ass recruit for Wojo, he needs to get his program to a point where its a destination and these type of pickups are no brainers
I'm sure he takes the rear into consideration. Alongside the neck.
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Huge ass recruit for Wojo, he needs to get his program to a point where its a destination and these type of pickups are no brainers
We haven't had a huge ass recruit since Davante Gardner.
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Im guessin theo covers the seat with a little hangover, no problem.
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Any chance JC is a "Happy Gilmore" fan?
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Haha Greg & Jamal look delightfully nonplussed
Also... Jamal in a cast? Is this news?
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Joseph Chartouny is currently visiting #Marquette and if visit goes well, they have strong chances to land the 6'4 grad transfer from Fordham imo. Coach Wojo and Brett Nelson impressed at the home visit in Montreal #RDS
This guy has seemed most tuned in to Chartouny's recruitment. He first announced the in-home visit and has been on top of this from the start.
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Where's Matty?
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This guy has seemed most tuned in to Chartouny's recruitment. He first announced the in-home visit and has been on top of this from the start.
If shooting is one of the things you need to round out your game, I'd have to think a year of Nelson would be highly appealing
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Haha Greg & Jamal look delightfully nonplussed
Also... Jamal in a cast? Is this news?
Good catch on the cast.
I’d personally be thrilled to meet Adam Sandler. Grew up on that mans movies and a couple remain in my top 10 personal favorites to this day. But I’ve got 4-6 years in most of the guys.
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https://twitter.com/peteyannopoulos/status/986724981110435842?s=21
Joseph Chartouny is currently visiting #Marquette and if visit goes well, they have strong chances to land the 6’4 grad transfer from Fordham imo. Coach Wojo and Brett Nelson impressed at the home visit in Montreal #RDS
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When was this picture?
Cant see the young guys being too impressed. Sandler while a comedy legend hasnt done anything funny in 15 yrs
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Maybe he'll just get snowed in until classes start in September and have no choice but to attend MU, ai'na?
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When was this picture?
Cant see the young guys being too impressed. Sandler while a comedy legend hasnt done anything funny in 15 yrs
Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison are timeless. Almost everything else he's done outside SNL has been either average or terrible. Definitely a huge celebrity still though.
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Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison are timeless. Almost everything else he's done outside SNL has been either average or terrible. Definitely a huge celebrity still though.
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Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison are timeless. Almost everything else he's done outside SNL has been either average or terrible. Definitely a huge celebrity still though.
He's got a lot more than just those two. The Waterboy and Big Daddy should be included in that category. And then others that may not be as timeless, but I've really enjoyed include Little Nicky, Mr. Deeds, Dirty Work, The Wedding Singer.
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Ta say nothin' of POS Car and da Hanukkah Song, aina?
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He's got a lot more than just those two. The Waterboy and Big Daddy should be included in that category. And then others that may not be as timeless, but I've really enjoyed include Little Nicky, Mr. Deeds, Dirty Work, The Wedding Singer.
+1. The majority of the field falls in pretty terrible grouping, however.
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Speaking of Big Daddy...
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I’ve got 4-6 years in most of the guys.
#pawz
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Speaking of Big Daddy...
Haha
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Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison are timeless. Almost everything else he's done outside SNL has been either average or terrible. Definitely a huge celebrity still though.
Speaking of Billy Madison, feel like we could throw this quote around quite a bit more on scoop. Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison, Mr. Deeds and Grownups are all pretty solid movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Close the deal Wojo.
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He's got a lot more than just those two. The Waterboy and Big Daddy should be included in that category. And then others that may not be as timeless, but I've really enjoyed include Little Nicky, Mr. Deeds, Dirty Work, The Wedding Singer.
Little Nicky might be the worst movie I've ever seen
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Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison are timeless. Almost everything else he's done outside SNL has been either average or terrible. Definitely a huge celebrity still though.
I think the word you are looking for is "endless".
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I think the word you are looking for is "endless".
I freaking WISH!
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He's got a lot more than just those two. The Waterboy and Big Daddy should be included in that category. And then others that may not be as timeless, but I've really enjoyed include Little Nicky, Mr. Deeds, Dirty Work, The Wedding Singer.
Dirty Work is great but I wouldn't call that a Sandler movie. The rest are average, Wedding Singer slightly above.
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"The price is wrong, bitch"
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Punch-Drunk Love is a good movie.
Happy Gilmore
Billy Madison
Punch-Drunk Love
Wedding Singer
Big Daddy
Funny People
Waterboy
Airheads
You can keep the rest.
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I think if you have to watch a Rom Com for date night then 50 first dates is decent to. Not something I'd search out but would definitely be on a short list of rom coms id say yes to with the lady.
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Punch-Drunk Love is a good movie.
Happy Gilmore
Billy Madison
Punch-Drunk Love
Wedding Singer
Big Daddy
Funny People
Waterboy
Airheads
You can keep the rest.
Funny People is bad and you should feel bad for liking it.
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Punch-Drunk Love is a good movie.
Happy Gilmore
Billy Madison
Punch-Drunk Love
Wedding Singer
Big Daddy
Funny People
Waterboy
Airheads
You can keep the rest.
Spanglish is also a strong contender here. Super underrated movie.
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How 'bout that Chartouny kid?!?!
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How 'bout that Chartouny kid?!?!
Just got a notification that Ben Steele started following Chartouny (and IWB did too) for what it's worth.
Also, i'm betting that this is the only context where a "Welcome JC" thread title gets both of our support.
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Also, i'm betting that this is the only context where a "Welcome JC" thread title gets both of our support.
Never had a problem with JC. One of our boys who made it big.
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Just got a notification that Ben Steele started following Chartouny (and IWB did too) for what it's worth.
Also, i'm betting that this is the only context where a "Welcome JC" thread title gets both of our support.
#donedeal
Lol
IWB laughing stock
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Never had a problem with JC. One of our boys who made it big.
Three proofs that Jesus was Jewish:
1. he went into his father's business,
2. he lived at home until the age of 33,
3. his mother thought he was God.
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Three proofs that Jesus was Jewish:
1. he went into his father's business,
2. he lived at home until the age of 33,
3. his mother thought he was God.
4. Circumsised
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Said "oy" a lot?
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Spanglish is also a strong contender here. Super underrated movie.
I completely forgot about Spanglish. Belongs on there.
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#donedeal
Lol
IWB laughing stock
I’m Curious, where does this comes from? Sure, the #donedeal was incorrect. But in today’s media everyone is going to be wrong at one point or another... espiecially on a freakin message board
IWB provides great insights into Marquette basketball, and did so a lot more before people on this board started to bash him. If BigDaddy gets something incorrect will the board turn in him too?
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It is an easy shorthand. IWB has been deeply involved and passionate about Marquette basketball for decades. When we have corresponded, he has been very helpful to me. He jumped the gun on Shaka and that is now all some will ever mention. His source was wrong. It isn't like he committed a crime.
Build bridges all your life, nobody calls you a bridge builder. Suck one little....
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It is an easy shorthand. IWB has been deeply involved and passionate about Marquette basketball for decades. When we have corresponded, he has been very helpful to me. He jumped the gun on Shaka and that is now all some will ever mention. His source was wrong. It isn't like he committed a crime.
Build bridges all your life, nobody calls you a bridge builder. Suck one little....
He was relying on alternative facts.
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It is an easy shorthand. IWB has been deeply involved and passionate about Marquette basketball for decades. When we have corresponded, he has been very helpful to me. He jumped the gun on Shaka and that is now all some will ever mention. His source was wrong. It isn't like he committed a crime.
Build bridges all your life, nobody calls you a bridge builder. Suck one little....
And if you want insiders to share information, don't crucify them when they get something wrong.
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And if you want insiders to share information, don't crucify them when they get something wrong.
Yup.
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https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/986941724466479104 (https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/986941724466479104)
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https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/986941724466479104 (https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/986941724466479104)
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That's not promising, but could be related to a ton of things he's done recently (Job, Texas recruits, etc..).
On the upside, Nelson is now following Peter Yannopoulos as of today or last night, who seems to be the media guy with the in on the situation.
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https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/986941724466479104 (https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/986941724466479104)
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If you are looking to interpret this, his tweets may as well be written in Sanskrit.
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If you are looking to interpret this, his tweets may as well be written in Sanskrit.
Google Translate needs a "Stan Johnson" option
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And if you want insiders to share information, don't crucify them when they get something wrong.
Couldn't agree more!
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And if you want insiders to share information, don't crucify them when they get something wrong.
Then how will we look cool on the internet?
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Three proofs that Jesus was Jewish:
1. he went into his father's business,
2. he lived at home until the age of 33,
3. his mother thought he was God.
First miracle performed only after classic interaction with Jewish mother:
Mary: There's no more wine left.
JC: What do you expect me to do about it?
Mary: [Serious side-eye]
JC: Jeez, mom! Okay! Whatever! I'll take care of it!
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It is an easy shorthand. IWB has been deeply involved and passionate about Marquette basketball for decades. When we have corresponded, he has been very helpful to me. He jumped the gun on Shaka and that is now all some will ever mention. His source was wrong. It isn't like he committed a crime.
Build bridges all your life, nobody calls you a bridge builder. Suck one little....
+1. In my dealings with Jim (IWB) he's been generous in sharing what has proved to be accurate information. Good guy, big fan.
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+1. In my dealings with Jim (IWB) he's been generous in sharing what has proved to be accurate information. Good guy, big fan.
Yup.
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https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/986941724466479104 (https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/986941724466479104)
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Stan's tweeting is so all over the place, I wouldn't read too much into anything about this related to Chartouney.
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https://twitter.com/SuperfanMubb/status/986946130067050496 (https://twitter.com/SuperfanMubb/status/986946130067050496)
Great minds, etc.
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I'm super hopeful on JC and still think it will be likely that he comes to MU.
But with the radio silence, who is our backup of JC doesn't come? Any other grads? Or are we going with the hand we are currently dealt?
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I'm super hopeful on JC and still think it will be likely that he comes to MU.
But with the radio silence, who is our backup of JC doesn't come? Any other grads? Or are we going with the hand we are currently dealt?
The other JC, Joe Cremo
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The other JC, Joe Cremo
We're off his list. But we have been linked to Justin Coleman. Yep, another JC.
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We're off his list. But we have been linked to Justin Coleman. Yep, another JC.
Wojo knew we needed a savior next season
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JC is 50% of JuCo.
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JC is 50% of JuCo.
So Wojo is finally trying to land a JC transfer.
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Wojo knew we needed a savior next season
Trying to remain patient...
Somebody knows something, spill it already!!!
I don't care about baseball, the NBA barely moves the needle for me, NFL is ok, but I need MU bball to survive.
I badly want next season in the new arena to be a special one. The last 5 years have been hard to watch, at times. We deserve this!!
Don't make me beg
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Wojo knew we needed a savior next season
Some may say we need a JC superstar.
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Trying to remain patient...
Somebody knows something, spill it already!!!
I don't care about baseball, the NBA barely moves the needle for me, NFL is ok, but I need MU bball to survive.
I badly want next season in the new arena to be a special one. The last 5 years have been hard to watch, at times. We deserve this!!
Don't make me beg
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I haven't seen anything on the Chartouny front from any media outlet with the exception of the tweet from Peter Yannopoulos. The good news is there hasn't been any new information about Louisville since they had their in-home last week.
Fingers Crossed!
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Nothing from Big Daddy worries me.
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Nothing from Big Daddy worries me.
I don't know if I'd be that concerned. IIRC, BD went away because a bunch of people were being jack*sses about him not being 100% correct all the time. He got the IWB treatment.
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Nothing from Big Daddy worries me.
Yup
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Until I see him scheduling new visits I will remain confident. Even if he does, I don't think that means we are out....it could mean that....but it could also mean that the kid decided to do his due diligence.
Keep in mind, until he signs, Marquette is not allowed to comment on him. So that means it is up to the recruit to announce his commitment. JC has had fewer media reports on him the almost any grad transfer this offseason...and when they've come out, its come from a local media guy, not one of the big names.
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Until I see him scheduling new visits I will remain confident. Even if he does, I don't think that means we are out....it could mean that....but it could also mean that the kid decided to do his due diligence.
Keep in mind, until he signs, Marquette is not allowed to comment on him. So that means it is up to the recruit to announce his commitment. JC has had fewer media reports on him the almost any grad transfer this offseason...and when they've come out, its come from a local media guy, not one of the big names.
Quit being calm and rational!
If BD doesn't comment its clearly over.........unless of course he verbals before he posts again.....in that case never mind.
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@PeteYannopoulos
#Louisville have done a great job recruiting Fordham grad transfer Joseph Chartouny as well. The prestige of playing in the ACC conference with a new coach in Chris Mack is very intriguing. #RDS
Doesn't really seem like this guy knows much more than we do. He's just guessing.
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I don't know if I'd be that concerned. IIRC, BD went away because a bunch of people were being jack*sses about him not being 100% correct all the time. He got the IWB treatment.
Wasn't it Heisenberg/Yukon/tug that wouldn't stop calling big daddy out for the Damien lee thing? Even though big daddy didn't say for sure lee was coming?
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Geez and I thought I was anxiety ridden. I doubt Marquette is out of the running because nothing has been said over the past 3 days.
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I don't know if I'd be that concerned. IIRC, BD went away because a bunch of people were being jack*sses about him not being 100% correct all the time. He got the IWB treatment.
No he came back and said everything was cool. Hey, I'm not like totally freaked out. But it has been quieter than normal. Seems to be no flow.
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Wasn't it Heisenberg/Yukon/tug that wouldn't stop calling big daddy out for the Damien lee thing? Even though big daddy didn't say for sure lee was coming?
For sure Heisey was riding BD during the Lee non commit - one of the frequent 'i hold others to different standards than i present myself' bones he would not let go. What i don't remember is if MUFinNY was also riding BD, if he was just riding Wojo because we didn't land someone, or both.
Either way you don't bite the hand that feeds you, you don't hold others to different standards than you hold yourself, you don't tug on superman's cape and you DON'T mess around with Jim.
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JC's last follow on instagram is none other than sammyhouz.
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JC's last follow on instagram is none other than sammyhouz.
Done deal.
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But is it doable. Legs?
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JC's last follow on instagram is none other than sammyhouz.
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JC's last follow on instagram is none other than sammyhouz.
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https://twitter.com/patrickkleary/status/987414937294245888
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https://twitter.com/jdemling/status/987413504285204481 (https://twitter.com/jdemling/status/987413504285204481)
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I'm not BD but I would say this qualifies as good news
https://twitter.com/jdemling/status/987413504285204481?s=21
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Beat me to it, guru.
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https://twitter.com/jdemling/status/987413504285204481 (https://twitter.com/jdemling/status/987413504285204481)
So he was so turned off by the MKE weather that he is ready to commit to Louisville sight unseen?!
smh. Even our weather should be fired.
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EVERYONE TO THE BUNKER!!!
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JC2N?
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Can Louisville still get their deposit back on the strippers?
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WELLWEREWAITINGJUDGESMAILS.GIF
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Time for a name change
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WELLWEREWAITINGJUDGESMAILS.GIF
Here's some help. 8-)
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https://twitter.com/jdemling/status/987413504285204481
Comments, we are "lesser program"
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I might enjoy some wine tonight.
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Comments, we are "lesser program"
Well, the ACC is a truck stop league. 8-)
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https://twitter.com/jdemling/status/987413504285204481
Comments, we are "lesser program"
THAT'S the H/H I'd want. Absolutely LOVE to give those guys a butt kickin'.
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Guys, don't get too excited too quickly.
Let's hear from JC first.
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Really, guys. Didn’t you read the tweet? Louisville cancelled the visit. It’s clear that they have cooled on him...
I hate when we get superior programs’ cast-offs.
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Classic "I'm breaking up with you before you can break up with me" move by Louisville.
I guess they're probably due for some public damage control.
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This is one of two steps and fulfills the immediate need.....
I would say of equal importance is the visit that is occurring this weekend.....
For "star" power.....future.....Toronto recruiting....
McKewin would be a great addition......
A double announcement over the weekend would give WOJO two great adds....
Then we can really go after the 2019 guard of choice......Does not "have" to be a point.....Having 4 combo guards is where the NBA and NCAA are headed.....
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Sounds encouraging..... unless JC has committed to them already but tweet did not sound like that. Looking better methnks....
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Really, guys. Didn’t you read the tweet? Louisville cancelled the visit. It’s clear that they have cooled on him...
I hate when we get superior programs’ cast-offs.
Yeah just like all the guys who said 'I really didn't want to take Mom to the dance.' Yeah, like that. ;)
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This is one of two steps and fulfills the immediate need.....
I would say of equal importance is the visit that is occurring this weekend.....
For "star" power.....future.....Toronto recruiting....
McKewin would be a great addition......
A double announcement over the weekend would give WOJO two great adds....
Then we can really go after the 2019 guard of choice......Does not "have" to be a point.....Having 4 combo guards is where the NBA and NCAA are headed.....
I would argue hearing good news regarding Marcus Carr and his (potential) visit would be even more important. He would be my 1A to McEwen's 1B. Both would be awesome PG adds.
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JC and Kobe would be a great offseason. Fixes the PG a problem for the next three years.
Funnily enough, if JC does commit, he won't even be the first Canadian point guard with the innitials JC.
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https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/evans-seven-the-top-grad-transfers-available-on-the-market
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https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/evans-seven-the-top-grad-transfers-available-on-the-market
And on top of what they cite as Chartouny's strengths, he fills the exact hole that we have been missing. In my mind, he's a bigger game changer for this season than most think, and if we land him I would expect a trip to the s16.
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Sweet! Sounds pretty positive!
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/987437476196298752
Welcome JC!
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/987437476196298752
Welcome JC!
Oh Heldt yeah!
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https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
Matt Mooney is transferring from South Dakota. He is the clear best player on the grad transfer market and is a perfect fit for what we need. Guard with size, strong distributor, and lockdown defender. Could turn us from a top 30 team to top 10 team.
Sic em Wojo
Yeah he would have been nice.
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At least there’s not much of a difference between Chartouny and Mooney.
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Yeah he would have been nice.
He’s done more tonight than JC did all year. Not sure that’s even hyperbole.
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He’s done more tonight than JC did all year. Not sure that’s even hyperbole.
Mooney was awesome tonight. 17 points, 5 assists and good defense. Joe didn't score that many points in a half of BE play. Nice pickup for TT.
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I thought Mooney was the best grad transfer on the market last season not named Reid Travis. I may have been right on that call
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Interesting re-reading that thread. I don’t like beating up college kids, but the JC experience left a lot to be desired.
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Interesting re-reading that thread. I don’t like beating up college kids, but the JC experience left a lot to be desired.
Quite a few of the graduate transfers did not work out well this season. Making the transition from a mid or low major to high major and working with new teammates can be a steep hill to climb.
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At the moment 381 transfers have been announced this offseason. The past 3 years there have been 800+ each season. We have a long way to go before we are done.
Re-reading this thread, this post stuck out to me. It was made on April 5th of 2018 and at that point there were 381 transfers. This season, it's March 30th and we're already at 461 with no sign of slowing down. It is a very heavy transfer year
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Re-reading this thread, this post stuck out to me. It was made on April 5th of 2018 and at that point there were 381 transfers. This season, it's March 30th and we're already at 461 with no sign of slowing down. It is a very heavy transfer year
Really impressive, gives us fans a lot of ongoing interest, concerns and excitement in the following days. I love the transfer Market.
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Re-reading this thread, this post stuck out to me. It was made on April 5th of 2018 and at that point there were 381 transfers. This season, it's March 30th and we're already at 461 with no sign of slowing down. It is a very heavy transfer year
Sadly, I wonder if the NCAA's revised treatment of immediate eligibility last year is causing more kids to make the jump, with the idea they'll be immediately able to hit the court.
NCAA may be directly causing more transfers. Some will say that's good for the kids... not sure about that.