Protests

[ATL MU Warrior]

Yeah, but how many of the protesters now find themselves on the left wing that weren't during the spring? Biden's big pivot to the nomination happened in South Carolina was in large part because of the black vote.....but has that black vote migrated from where Biden was then compared to where he is now.

Trump has his boogeyman to campaign against, the question is, how does Biden counter it and not lose at least some of the left wing.

I think it's as simple as:  Those who will vote for Biden are not voting for Biden or any particular position he has had or currently espouses.  They are voting against the current occupant, maybe despite any particular position Biden espouses.  That's what this election boils down to. 

[Pakuni]

Yeah, but how many of the protesters now find themselves on the left wing that weren't during the spring? Biden's big pivot to the nomination happened in South Carolina was in large part because of the black vote.....but has that black vote migrated from where Biden was then compared to where he is now.

Trump has his boogeyman to campaign against, the question is, how does Biden counter it and not lose at least some of the left wing.

While such concerns aren't trivial, they're far less concerning than what Biden risks if he goes the other way. At the end of the day, Biden probably doesn't lose sleep over the left wing suddenly deciding they're OK with another four years of Trump. A hatred for Trump and what he stands is and was always going to be what drives them to the polls. And that changes not one iota by Biden's stance on defunding. The AOC crowd isn't going to look at Biden's moderate take on this one issue and think "Hmm ... maybe Trump isn't so bad after all."

Remember, it wasn't the progressives staying home that cost Hillary in 2016. It was her losing the suburban, exurban and rural voters who previously voted for Obama. That's who Biden needs to appeal to most now.

[MU82]

Hatred for Trump drove big Dem turnout for the 2018 midterms. Plus, the exact suburban and exurban voters that Pakuni talked about, especially white women who had voted GOP over the years, flipped the House.

Will such a thing happen again this fall, especially in the battleground states? If so, Trump can't win because of simple math, which is why he desperately is trying to suppress the vote. Heck, he admitted it when he talked about why he's against mail-in voting.

There is still forever to go before November. COVID could largely clear out, the economy could be roaring and the BLM movement could fizzle out ... or COVID could have another wave, the economy could stay in the shytter, and the BLM movement could drive huge turnout. Or something in between. Or something entirely different - something we don't even know about today - could crop up to hurt Trump or Biden and/or to aid Biden or Trump.

Fun, fun, fun!

[Elonsmusk]

I see the "What about black-on-black crime" guy has arrived.


"You may reduce officer involved deaths at hands of police, yet crime and homicide levels (particularly in inner-cities will exponentially increase.)"

Yes, cops are doing a bang-up job of reducing and solving homicide in America's inner-cities.
And, of course, another person who doesn't understand what "defund the police" means ... though, to be fair, its proponents have done a terrible job of explaining and branding it.

Out of curiosity, what is your take on Black on Black crime?  Where are all of the activists protesting (and rioting) throughout the inner city, demanding justice for the 303 Black men killed in Chicago in the last year?  That figure represents 65% of the homicides committed in Chicago.

Why is this not a relevant part of the conversation centering around BLM?  And FYI, here are some numbers for you to ponder:

2018 Incidents involving Blacks and Whites (from Bureau of Justice)

Total incidents:  4,145,300

Interracial Violent Incidents:  607,725

White on Black incidents:  59,777 or 9.84%, despite comprising 76.5% of US population

Black on White incidents:  547,948 or 90.16% of violent interracial incidents, while comprising 13% of US population.

Wonder if this has anything to do with the Karen's of Central Park or other whites calling the police out of fear toward Blacks?  It's unfortunate these are the facts and numbers.  Hopefully our country gets a handle on this problem as well.

[wadesworld]

Out of curiosity, what is your take on Black on Black crime?  Where are all of the activists protesting (and rioting) throughout the inner city, demanding justice for the 303 Black men killed in Chicago in the last year?  That figure represents 65% of the homicides committed in Chicago.

Why is this not a relevant part of the conversation centering around BLM?  And FYI, here are some numbers for you to ponder:

2018 Incidents involving Blacks and Whites (from Bureau of Justice)

Total incidents:  4,145,300

Interracial Violent Incidents:  607,725

White on Black incidents:  59,777 or 9.84%, despite comprising 76.5% of US population

Black on White incidents:  547,948 or 90.16% of violent interracial incidents, while comprising 13% of US population.

Wonder if this has anything to do with the Karen's of Central Park or other whites calling the police out of fear toward Blacks?  It's unfortunate these are the facts and numbers.  Hopefully our country gets a handle on this problem as well.

Okay Karen.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Out of curiosity, what is your take on Black on Black crime? 

It's bad.

Why is this not a relevant part of the conversation centering around BLM?

Because the point of the movement is about systemic racism within law enforcement agencies.  You know, the ones that are paid for by our tax dollars are theoretically work to protect our fellow citizens.

It's like asking "Why does MADD only focus on drunk driving?  Cancer kills fifty times more people each year."  So while yes that is true, it also isn't the point.

[Pakuni]

Out of curiosity, what is your take on Black on Black crime?  Where are all of the activists protesting (and rioting) throughout the inner city, demanding justice for the 303 Black men killed in Chicago in the last year?  That figure represents 65% of the homicides committed in Chicago.

Why is this not a relevant part of the conversation centering around BLM?  And FYI, here are some numbers for you to ponder:

2018 Incidents involving Blacks and Whites (from Bureau of Justice)

Total incidents:  4,145,300

Interracial Violent Incidents:  607,725

White on Black incidents:  59,777 or 9.84%, despite comprising 76.5% of US population

Black on White incidents:  547,948 or 90.16% of violent interracial incidents, while comprising 13% of US population.

Wonder if this has anything to do with the Karen's of Central Park or other whites calling the police out of fear toward Blacks?  It's unfortunate these are the facts and numbers.  Hopefully our country gets a handle on this problem as well.

I don't have a "take" on black-on-black crime. Crime is bad. Crime should be prevented. Criminals should face consequences. This goes for all crime and all perpetrators. Do you have separate takes on black-on-black crime vs white-on-white crime?

Marches, rallies and protests regarding violent crime in black communities happen often in Chicago. You don't know this because you don't actually care about crime in black communities. You just use it as a talking point.
But you're in idiot if you can't understand why a police officer murdering a citizen draws more attention and outrage than one gang member killing another.

Your numbers are worthless when taken out of context, as they always seem to be. Studies have shown time and again that people become criminals based primarily on socioeconomic circumstances, such as poverty, poor education, exposure to violence, family structure and exposure to trauma. Because of centuries of systemic oppression, black Americans find themselves disproportionately living within those circumstances. Thus black Americans commit a disproportionate amount of crime.
Maybe you should ponder that.

Lastly, we've had a mostly reasonable and productive discussion here lately. Please don't get another thread locked with your rants.

[tower912]

Out of curiosity, what is your take on Black on Black crime? 

The same as my take on black on white, white on black, Asian on Hispanic, Choctaw on Cree, Tom on Jerry.


  Ok, maybe not Tom on Jerry.



It is a crime.  Punish the offenders and what can be done to reduce it?

[warriorchick]

  Ok, maybe not Tom on Jerry.

Pretty sure most of the violence was Jerry on Tom.

[Pakuni]

Pretty sure most of the violence was Jerry on Tom.

Self-defense?

[reinko]

Ners is the guy who taunts a Breast Cancer Awareness walk with “WHAT ABOUT TESTICULAR CANCER?!?!”  ALL CANCERS MATTER

[tower912]

Pretty sure most of the violence was Jerry on Tom.

Moe on Larry and Curly?

[warriorchick]

Self-defense?

Kind of like the epidemic of Roadrunner on Coyote violence? 

[tower912]

Kind of like the epidemic of Roadrunner on Coyote violence?

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[shoothoops]

Presented without comment, no words, Buffalo, wow:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018?s=19

https://www.thedailybeast.com/oan-trumps-new-favorite-channel-employs-kremlin-paid-journalist

“Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN  I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?“

-Trump

[mu03eng]

Ners is the guy who taunts a Breast Cancer Awareness walk with “WHAT ABOUT TESTICULAR CANCER?!?!”  ALL CANCERS MATTER

Zero agreement with Ners but this is a bad metaphor......cancer research is very corrupt with breast cancer being a great example. Given the outcomes and the "efficiency" of dollars donated something like Pancreatic cancer should be way more funded than Breast Cancer is but the marketing muscle fell in line behind Breast Cancer.

[Warriors4ever]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/washington-family-accused-antifa/index.html

This is the type of thing that happens when tweets like that are made. Someone is going to believe them and take action.

[reinko]

Zero agreement with Ners but this is a bad metaphor......cancer research is very corrupt with breast cancer being a great example. Given the outcomes and the "efficiency" of dollars donated something like Pancreatic cancer should be way more funded than Breast Cancer is but the marketing muscle fell in line behind Breast Cancer.

You must be a blast at parties.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Self-defense?

Jerry is merely standing his ground.

[Pakuni]

Zero agreement with Ners but this is a bad metaphor......cancer research is very corrupt with breast cancer being a great example. Given the outcomes and the "efficiency" of dollars donated something like Pancreatic cancer should be way more funded than Breast Cancer is but the marketing muscle fell in line behind Breast Cancer.

The breast cancer people were better at calling attention to their cause and rallying support behind it. That's not corrupt. That's the American way.

[mu03eng]

While such concerns aren't trivial, they're far less concerning than what Biden risks if he goes the other way. At the end of the day, Biden probably doesn't lose sleep over the left wing suddenly deciding they're OK with another four years of Trump. A hatred for Trump and what he stands is and was always going to be what drives them to the polls. And that changes not one iota by Biden's stance on defunding. The AOC crowd isn't going to look at Biden's moderate take on this one issue and think "Hmm ... maybe Trump isn't so bad after all."

Remember, it wasn't the progressives staying home that cost Hillary in 2016. It was her losing the suburban, exurban and rural voters who previously voted for Obama. That's who Biden needs to appeal to most now.

You're probably right, but one of the things talked about is an enthusiasm gap....if Trump can increase enthusiasm by rallying around the spector of Defunding and Biden is milquetoast (per the AOC crowd) on defunding that decreases the enthusiasm on the left.....that can't be a good thing.

[mu03eng]

The breast cancer people were better at calling attention to their cause and rallying support behind it. That's not corrupt. That's the American way.

You are correct, but organizations like Susan G Komen are also corrupt.....Their throughput on dollars donated is less than 30% and they sue lots and lots of people.

[MU82]

Interesting to see NASCAR official Kirk Price take a knee during the anthem at Sunday's race in Atlanta.

“I come from humble beginnings and I believe in humble protesting,” said, Price, an Army veteran.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nascar-auto-racing/article243359321.html

[lawdog77]

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[Spotcheck Billy]

You are correct, but organizations like Susan G Komen are also corrupt.....Their throughput on dollars donated is less than 30% and they sue lots and lots of people.

Not sure that is true today. Looks more like 77.4% goes into the program. IIRc, back around 2012 they took flak for high salaries but that is under 10% today.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4509