Protests

[Pakuni]

@uspresstracker: OUR LATEST DATA AS OF 9:30PM ET JUNE 4

*300+ total press freedom incidents*

49+ arrests
192 assaults (160 by police)
42 equipment/newsroom damage

Assault category breakdown:
69 physical attacks (43 by cops)
43 tear gassings
24 pepper sprayings
77 rubber bullets/projectiles

[Pakuni]

Fox News has issued an apology for the S&P graphic.
rocket immediately switches over to OAN.

[shoothoops]

Some positive protest stories:

Harvard, Nebraska, Black population of ONE.... Jermaine Guinyard...

https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/we-won-t-allow-that-foolishness-in-our-small-town-in-the-heart-of-nebraska/article_0e29250f-d359-514d-9eed-d01e051216de.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true


O'Fallon, MO, 17 year old Jalen Thompson...

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/joe-holleman/wise-beyond-his-years-local-student-activist-jalen-thompson-grabs-national-spotlight/article_fec0e338-41eb-57e4-812a-6eaa98bd4e6b.amp.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_stltoday&__twitter_impression=true

These particular geographies stand out quite a bit.

[GooooMarquette]

Some positive protest stories:

Harvard, Nebraska, Black population of ONE.... Jermaine Guinyard...

https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/we-won-t-allow-that-foolishness-in-our-small-town-in-the-heart-of-nebraska/article_0e29250f-d359-514d-9eed-d01e051216de.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true


O'Fallon, MO, 17 year old Jalen Thompson...

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/joe-holleman/wise-beyond-his-years-local-student-activist-jalen-thompson-grabs-national-spotlight/article_fec0e338-41eb-57e4-812a-6eaa98bd4e6b.amp.html?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_stltoday&__twitter_impression=true

These particular geographies stand out quite a bit.

They sound like two outstanding young men. Thanks for sharing.

[jesmu84]

https://twitter.com/NutmegRadio/status/1269387049209139200?s=19

[GooooMarquette]

https://twitter.com/NutmegRadio/status/1269387049209139200?s=19

Apparently there is a lot of work to be done in Buffalo. I just hope the local citizens see this and speak out.

[shoothoops]

The NY Times takes a deep dive into Police Unions:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/us/police-unions-minneapolis-kroll.html#click=https://t.co/pWUlPGhHh4

[reinko]

https://twitter.com/NutmegRadio/status/1269387049209139200?s=19

Rotten orchard

[reinko]

Remember two prominent posters who declared DTJ as the best president during their lifetime, and have been weirdly silent the last 10 days.  Weird.

[Jockey]

Remember two prominent posters who declared DTJ as the best president during their lifetime, and have been weirdly silent the last 10 days.  Weird.

One of them also said Mattis was one of our greatest military leaders. So, he might be embarrassed or he might be busy arguing with himself.

[MUBurrow]

Rotten orchard

How do you reform this? And this department is as much the rule as the exception.

[mu_hilltopper]

I think when you are in an occupation with camaraderie you instinctually back the other guys' decisions, whatever they may be.  I can't say the (big city) police departments aren't off base when they have an "us against the world" attitude.   


We've asked them to be in that situation since the invention of law enforcement.

[MUBurrow]

I think when you are in an occupation with camaraderie you instinctually back the other guys' decisions, whatever they may be.  I can't say the (big city) police departments aren't off base when they have an "us against the world" attitude.   
We've asked them to be in that situation since the invention of law enforcement.

Nah. We can acknowledge that the job is difficult. We can say that society was too happy to turn the other way and let this insane police culture go too far. But we didn’t “ask” them to lose perspective to the point where the sole agents of legally authorized use of force fill their diapers because colleagues are being punished for abusing an elderly man. And I’m not sure what you’re getting at with the double negative in the “big city” thing.

[mu03eng]

https://t.co/d7yT8HbjAf

If everyone on this website could put their post into this template before they post, that would be great.....thanks in advance.

[Pakuni]

I think when you are in an occupation with camaraderie you instinctually back the other guys' decisions, whatever they may be.  I can't say the (big city) police departments aren't off base when they have an "us against the world" attitude.   


We've asked them to be in that situation since the invention of law enforcement.

Police that have an "us against the world" attitude are way off base. We practically fetishize law enforcement in this country. We call them heroes, honor them at sporting events and public gatherings, and exult them in countless ways. Poll after poll shows a majority of Americans have a great deal of respect for and trust in law enforcement.
To be clear, a large majority deserve the respect and gratitude of the public. And yes, especially in the current environment, they're facing a lot of anti-police sentiment. But in reality, there is no reason for law enforcement to believe it's them against the world. Even now, the majority of the public supports law enforcement.

[mu_hilltopper]

Police that have an "us against the world" attitude are way off base. We practically fetishize law enforcement in this country.


 But in reality, there is no reason for law enforcement to believe it's them against the world. Even now, the majority of the public supports law enforcement.

That's why I added the "big city police" to the sentence.  Leave the big cities, and you've got suburbs and farmland.  Not to say those places can't be dangerous, but .. if you're a cop in the "bad part of town" and you see criminal behavior every single day .. it's not hard to get to "us against the world."


Whether society would rather the police not have an "us against the world" attitude is irrelevant.  Mix in these ingredients, and that's what you'll have.

[Pakuni]

That's why I added the "big city police" to the sentence.  Leave the big cities, and you've got suburbs and farmland.  Not to say those places can't be dangerous, but .. if you're a cop in the "bad part of town" and you see criminal behavior every single day .. it's not hard to get to "us against the world."


Whether society would rather the police not have an "us against the world" attitude is irrelevant.  Mix in these ingredients, and that's what you'll have.

Well .... that's a bit different. Yes, cops frequently are dealing with the worst people. Or, more often, dealing with people at their worst. That's the gig.
But that shouldn't be an excuse for fostering an "us vs the world" environment. That falls on the culture within the police departments, not any external reality.

[Lennys Tap]

The NY Times takes a deep dive into Police Unions:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/us/police-unions-minneapolis-kroll.html#click=https://t.co/pWUlPGhHh4

Most of our cities are run by democrat machines that include democrat led police and teacher’s unions as part of their power structure. This has been true for decades. When problems are “systemic” it’s fair to ask - who benefits most from that system? As long as educators care more for its union members than its students, as long as law enforcement cares more for its union members that its citizens and as long as both are enabled by/in cahoots with city hall talk about systemic change will be just that - talk.

[muwarrior69]

A different perspective the vast majority here will disagree with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74

[Pakuni]

Most of our cities are run by democrat machines that include democrat led police and teacher’s unions as part of their power structure. This has been true for decades. When problems are “systemic” it’s fair to ask - who benefits most from that system? As long as educators care more for its union members than its students, as long as law enforcement cares more for its union members that its citizens and as long as both are enabled by/in cahoots with city hall talk about systemic change will be just that - talk.

We're talking about the need for systemic and cultural changes in our institutions and your response is "Blame the Dems" and other GOP talking points.

[mu_hilltopper]

Just FYI about Candace Owens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens

The Guardian has described Owens as "ultra-conservative",[43] and New York magazine and the Columbia Journalism Review have described her as "right-wing".[44][45] The Daily Beast has called her views "far-right" and the Pacific Standard called her a member of the "alt-right", though she has rejected both terms.[4][46][47][48] She was influenced by the works of Ann Coulter, Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Carson, and Thomas Sowell.[49]

Owens has said: "The left hates America, and Trump loves it."[50] She has said that the left is "destroying everything through this cultural Marxist ideology."[50] In late March 2020, Owen argued that the United States was suffering from a "doomsday cult" of liberal paranoia.[51]

[Jockey]

Most of our cities are run by democrat machines that include democrat led police and teacher’s unions as part of their power structure. This has been true for decades. When problems are “systemic” it’s fair to ask - who benefits most from that system? As long as educators care more for its union members than its students, as long as law enforcement cares more for its union members that its citizens and as long as both are enabled by/in cahoots with city hall talk about systemic change will be just that - talk.

There is no democrat party, Lenny, as I am sure that you know. It is called the Democratic Party.

But, your secret right-wing insult is noted.

[Jockey]

That's why I added the "big city police" to the sentence.  Leave the big cities, and you've got suburbs and farmland.  Not to say those places can't be dangerous, but .. if you're a cop in the "bad part of town" and you see criminal behavior every single day .. it's not hard to get to "us against the world."


Whether society would rather the police not have an "us against the world" attitude is irrelevant.  Mix in these ingredients, and that's what you'll have.

I have said this here before. If arresting an uncooperative person, there is no way to be nice. It will be a violent encounter. No way around that fact. Once the person is subdued and in handcuffs, however, any further violence by police is criminal assault. An us against them attitude is no excuse.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

A different perspective the vast majority here will disagree with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74

Basically she is saying "I'm not saying he deserves it....but he kinda deserves it."

Yeah he had a lot of faults.  But he was killed.

[Pakuni]

Basically she is saying "I'm not saying he deserves it....but he kinda deserves it."

Yeah he had a lot of faults.  But he was killed.

In summary, "George Floyd committed a crime 12 years ago, so why are people making a big deal about cops killing him?"