Protests

[TSmith34, Inc.]

This has been happening informally since WWII under the Surplus Property Act, and was formalized as the "1033 Program" during the Clinton Administration.
The Obama Administration placed limits on it after the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore, banning the sale of tracked armored vehicles, bayonets, grenade launchers, camouflage uniforms and large-caliber weapons and ammunition to police.
The Trump Administation has since overturned those limitations.

Well you see, it is bad that Obama did that, but it is Ok that Trump made it worse because: Tax Cuts.

Or so I've heard.

[GooooMarquette]

Not going to totally disgree....I just think meaningful change can happen with or without the feds, but meaningful change can't happen only with the feds

Perhaps...but some of the most difficult changes require both. Look at the civil rights movement in the 60s. Some states took actions, but there were holdouts that required the federal government to intervene.

I agree with you that change is more likely if it starts locally - a few cities, then maybe entire states changing their policing policies. But I still fear there will be holdouts that require the federal government to step in and standardize that will (by then) have become generally accepted practices in a significant part of the country.

[Pakuni]

Perhaps...but some of the most difficult changes require both. Look at the civil rights movement in the 60s. Some states took actions, but there were holdouts that required the federal government to intervene.

I agree with you that change is more likely if it starts locally - a few cities, then maybe entire states changing their policing policies. But I still fear there will be holdouts that require the federal government to step in and standardize that will (by then) have become generally accepted practices in a significant part of the country.

I think this is right. Change can occur locally, but if we're seeking a widespread societal/cultural change, it's going to take some federal leadership.
I may be wrong here, but at the moment I can't think of any significant cultural change in this country's history - whether it be abolition, civil rights, women's suffrage, the labor movement or even our views on the environment - that didn't involve federal intervention and/or legislation.

[Jockey]

I may be wrong here, but at the moment I can't think of any significant cultural change in this country's history - whether it be abolition, civil rights, women's suffrage, the labor movement or even our views on the environment - that didn't involve federal intervention and/or legislation.

You are correct. but,... none of these changes started at the federal level - it is just where they ended up with legislation.

Every movement you listed started at the bottom and worked its way to the Federal level.

[shoothoops]

"How Union, Supreme Court shield Minneapolis Cops"

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN23B2LL?__twitter_impression=true

[mu03eng]

You are correct. but,... none of these changes started at the federal level - it is just where they ended up with legislation.

Every movement you listed started at the bottom and worked its way to the Federal level.

Agreed, look at gay marriage. Enough states legalized it that it became problematic at the federal level and change came. The federal apparatus, by design does not move fast nor does it impact our lives at this kind of level.

Everyone's logic is to go federal and solve all of this is one action but it just practically doesn't work that way.

[Pakuni]

Everyone's logic is to go federal and solve all of this is one action but it just practically doesn't work that way.

Is that everyone's logic?
Seems like we're mostly in agreement here. Movements start local, but for widespread change, need federal involvement.

[GooooMarquette]

I think we are all essentially on the same page here. Significant, lasting change needs to start at the local and state level, with the federal government getting involved to address inequities after the changes become a generally accepted part of our culture.

[mu03eng]

Is that everyone's logic?
Seems like we're mostly in agreement here. Movements start local, but for widespread change, need federal involvement.

Everyone, as in people who aren't so enlightened to habitually visit this board. 

[Pakuni]

Everyone, as in people who aren't so enlightened to habitually visit this board. 

Fair point.

[GooooMarquette]

Everyone, as in people who aren't so enlightened to habitually visit this board. 

Enlightenment scale:

Scoopers >>>> The rest of humanity. 

[Pakuni]

Hard to defend or explain this.

@ericuman: The U.S. Park Police union just said those Australian journalists in Lafayette Park were "in the middle of violent protesters" and "may have fallen."

https://twitter.com/RSprouseNews/status/1268659957328732163

Here's the reality. https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1267764344118562816

[GooooMarquette]

@ericuman: The U.S. Park Police union just said those Australian journalists in Lafayette Park were "in the middle of violent protesters" and "may have fallen."

https://twitter.com/RSprouseNews/status/1268659957328732163

Here's the reality. https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1267764344118562816

Wow. Don’t believe what you just saw, eh?

[GooooMarquette]

‘Strategic’ well-orchestrated heists seen amid protest chaos

https://apnews.com/86bcd9074dec5444cc8f484ac6623fbf

Caravans of burglars have capitalized on chaos, communicating with each other via messaging apps during heists and using both the protests and other tactics to throw police off their trail. While opportunists have sometimes joined the frenzy, police and experts say there is a sophistication that suggests a level of planning that goes beyond spontaneous acts.

It’s hardly the first time legitimate protest has been used as a cover for crime. But crime experts note the scale of the thefts, which have taken place coast-to-coast, in big and small cities and in suburbs.

“I’ve been a student of these things. And I have never seen anything like it,” said Neil Sullivan, a nationally recognized expert on mass-events security and retired Chicago Police Department commander.

[Warriors4ever]

That video of the park police and the Australian journalists reminds me of the CNN crew that was arrested while broadcasting live, and the explanation from the state police was that they were arrested and released once it was determined that they were press.
Seriously, how can they issue a statement that they may have fallen with a straight face?

[Lennys Tap]

I tend to agree - if for no other reason than that we have seen real change before and know where it comes from.

Real change comes from the bottom up, not from the top down. Politicians generally didn't give a rat's a$$ about gay rights until enough people at the bottom demanded change.

100% agree, Jockey.

[MU82]

Wow. Don’t believe what you just saw, eh?

Meh. The cops were just using their shields to "inspect" the journalists' cameras.

[forgetful]

Hard to defend or explain this.

@ericuman: The U.S. Park Police union just said those Australian journalists in Lafayette Park were "in the middle of violent protesters" and "may have fallen."

https://twitter.com/RSprouseNews/status/1268659957328732163

Here's the reality. https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1267764344118562816

Seems kind of like this elderly man, who just "tripped and fell" in front of Buffalo police, leaving him with a fractured skull and bleeding from the ear.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/501279-elderly-man-appears-unconscious-bleeding-from-ear-after-shoved-to-ground

[Pakuni]

Cops wail away on woman who doesn't take kindly to being felt up.
Dear bad police officers ... there are cameras on you. All. The. Time.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1268391718086422528/video/1

[WarriorDad]

Jim Mattis lost my respect with the Theranos scandal. 


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/31/20839873/james-mattis-book-theranos

[Jockey]

Seems kind of like this elderly man, who just "tripped and fell" in front of Buffalo police, leaving him with a fractured skull and bleeding from the ear.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/501279-elderly-man-appears-unconscious-bleeding-from-ear-after-shoved-to-ground

Let me piss off a few people here. This video is why cops get called pigs.

Peaceful Americans are being assaulted by these animals all over America tonight.

[wadesworld]

Let me piss off a few people here. This video is why cops get called pigs.

Peaceful Americans are being assaulted by these animals all over America tonight.

Led by the Bunker Boy himself.

[Hards Alumni]

Jim Mattis lost my respect with the Theranos scandal. 


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/31/20839873/james-mattis-book-theranos

Just out of curiosity.  Which politicians do you revere?

[shoothoops]

https://twitter.com/MWatkinsTrib/status/1268727164956020737?s=19

'Merica. Sigh

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

https://twitter.com/MWatkinsTrib/status/1268727164956020737?s=19

'Merica. Sigh

Same woman who has been loud about Covid being a hoax as well.