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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Markusquette on April 15, 2019, 12:51:38 PM
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With Torrence at guard being the only *potential* addition if he reclassifies, will Wojo be able to secure a couple of bigs via the immediate transfer market to fill two huge holes? The team is definitely unbalanced going into next year. What a gut punch.
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I mean. We were seriously unbalanced last year, too.
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Bailey better just work on corner 3s all off season. Take 500 a day.
Cain work on ball security.
We got far better athletes available. Now we gotta see if they can provide the skill.
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Guys that wanna be here.
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Guys that wanna be here.
Major BINGO there, Jockey.
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We also have Akanno coming in dont forget
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Guys that wanna be here.
I seem to recall Joey wanting to be at MU so bad, he skipped his last 5 months as a high school senior.
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I seem to recall Joey wanting to be at MU so bad, he skipped his last 5 months as a high school senior.
And blew a year of eligibility...
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And blew a year of eligibility...
That he did not. Redshirt.
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That he did not. Redshirt.
Joey will blow a year of eligibility with his transfer if he is unable to get a waiver. Since he willing redshirted a year that was fully in his control (he could have stayed in HS), who knows if the NCAA will give him that waiver. He may very well burn a year of eligibility. He likely thinks it wont matter because he'll be playing in the NBA.
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We also have Akanno coming in dont forget
Do you have any thoughts on the kid that decommitted about 3 hours ago from Northern Kentucky?
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I hope Cain works on his dribbling/ball handling and comes back and averages 10 and 5 off the bench. The kid has been dumped on and now the door is open for him to play a major role as a reserve. Ten times the athletic ability of Joey, so now is his coming out time. Sometimes all a kid needs is a chance. Again, I hope.
I hope Bailey does shoot those 500 a day corner threes. Major, major, defensive upgrade. If that outside shot continues as is, trouble.
Need a PF grad transfer badly. Foul issues on or current players probably not going to stop.
Akanno, who knows. Have three guards, along with Sacar so should be fine. Cain, Bailey and the grad transfer will be the keys to taking points/minutes from the missing Hausers.
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Do you have any thoughts on the kid that decommitted about 3 hours ago from Northern Kentucky?
I've seen him play and played against him, to be honest hes a poor mans sam hauser but i think with a more consistent jumper and a pull up
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I've seen him play and played against him, to be honest hes a poor mans sam hauser but i think with a more consistent jumper and a pull up
Thank you
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Markus will just take 10 more shots a game?
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Those three days of thinking about how awesome we were going to be next year sure were fun.
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I seem to recall Joey wanting to be at MU so bad, he skipped his last 5 months as a high school senior.
What does that get us for next year? He don't wanna be here. Good Riddance.
I have no ill will towards either one. They should be able to go where they want. I hope they find happiness. But now that they are gone, I don't care where they go or how they do.
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MU might be better if they can get a real power forward who can get off his feet, does not have to be great, just serviceable
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MU might be better if they can get a real power forward who can get off his feet, does not have to be great, just serviceable
We may see more of Ed and Theo playing together. Ed isn’t an above the rim PF, but he’s definitely a PF.
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A couple of thoughts and then I'll address the issue:
1) When I was in high school, we had two basketball players who were 6'11" and 6'9". Both were all-state and led our team to the state finals, where we lost to a Memphis team that moved across the street to Memphis State. Our guys went to the SEC and were never seen nor heard from again. The morale was in high school when you're that good, you only play against comparable talent a few times a year and in summer barnstorming. When you get to college, you play against talent that's up to you every night. Joey, particularly, found that out and apparently does not have the patience to learn the game at the college level. It takes time. It's also easier to blame your coach and/or teammates than it is to look inside yourself and see what you have to do to be a pro.
2) These guys were nuts in leaving. At worst, Markus has a year left. Work on your game. With a new point guard coming in, chances are the Hausers were going to get a lot more touches than this year. Especially if they really are open and can knock down the threes. They had a chance to create a legacy and be part of a Top5 to Top 10 team. Now, they're on the pine next year and if they go anyplace they mention except Wisconsin, they'll be part-time to occasional players until they learn the system and solve their weaknesses. If they go to Wisconsin, they have no chance of being part of anything that good.
Now for our program:
3) I have been a Wojo fan until today. As a coach, you're going to lose players. That's a fact of life. Everybody has at one point or another. Heck, for awhile, Iowa State was Marquette West. But the Hausers are two hallmark recruits from the State of Wisconsin who bolted. That can't happen and leads to a lot of the same questions we raised about the Cowboy (formerly the Hillbilly) when the Cowboy could not keep Vander Blue and had no point guard.
4) It's too late to fire Wojo but the heat under his seat just went to 1000 kelvin. If we don't replace the Hausers (yes, I agree, Brendan is one of the replacements but now we need depth) and we don't make the NCAA and win a game there, Wojo will be burned at the stake in front of Joan of Arc on a cold Saturday morning. No, not fired, burned at the stake. That's how big this is. Even the BOT and Dr. Lovell had to notice the revenue implication of this one.
5) Greg Gard woke up this morning and saw a goat, vis a vi recruiting in the State of Wisconsin. He'll go to bed seeing a stallion. Marquette's chances with the best in the state just went to 0. The best in the state are now either going out of state or to Bucky. And if the Hausers are successful at Bucky, maybe we should move the university to Michigan or Illinois!
6) Assuming no major line-up changes, I tend to agree Sacar and Brendan will play key roles in our success next year. Here's another idea: if Theo and Ed cut down on the fouls, what about having Ed Morrow as a power forward in the line-up at the same time as Theo. Two beasts on the boards. I wouldn't want to mix it up down there with those two! Put another way, "You have just been Theoed!"
7) I also think Greg Elliott and Jamal Cain will be key to our success.
Ultimately, if there was this much discord on the team between Markus and the Hausers, something had to give. That's on the coach to keep the egos and the outside influence in check. Wojo didn't and that's why I'm having serious concerns about his leadership. With this example, can we be effective recruiting the talent we need to in order to be a Top 10 team?
Time will tell.
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MU... does not have to be great, just serviceable
Hoping that’s not next year’s team slogan.
“Marquette: not great, but serviceable! Ladies and gentlemen, your 2019-20 Golden Eagles!”
Not looking forward to the Nike “Serviceable” team t-shirts.
Sorry...I’m honestly not that pessimistic. Just a little gallows humor.
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A couple of thoughts and then I'll address the issue:
1) When I was in high school, we had two basketball players who were 6'11" and 6'9". Both were all-state and led our team to the state finals, where we lost to a Memphis team that moved across the street to Memphis State. Our guys went to the SEC and were never seen nor heard from again. The morale was in high school when you're that good, you only play against comparable talent a few times a year and in summer barnstorming. When you get to college, you play against talent that's up to you every night. Joey, particularly, found that out and apparently does not have the patience to learn the game at the college level. It takes time. It's also easier to blame your coach and/or teammates than it is to look inside yourself and see what you have to do to be a pro.
2) These guys were nuts in leaving. At worst, Markus has a year left. Work on your game. With a new point guard coming in, chances are the Hausers were going to get a lot more touches than this year. Especially if they really are open and can knock down the threes. They had a chance to create a legacy and be part of a Top5 to Top 10 team. Now, they're on the pine next year and if they go anyplace they mention except Wisconsin, they'll be part-time to occasional players until they learn the system and solve their weaknesses. If they go to Wisconsin, they have no chance of being part of anything that good.
Now for our program:
3) I have been a Wojo fan until today. As a coach, you're going to lose players. That's a fact of life. Everybody has at one point or another. Heck, for awhile, Iowa State was Marquette West. But the Hausers are two hallmark recruits from the State of Wisconsin who bolted. That can't happen and leads to a lot of the same questions we raised about the Cowboy (formerly the Hillbilly) when the Cowboy could not keep Vander Blue and had no point guard.
4) It's too late to fire Wojo but the heat under his seat just went to 1000 kelvin. If we don't replace the Hausers (yes, I agree, Brendan is one of the replacements but now we need depth) and we don't make the NCAA and win a game there, Wojo will be burned at the stake in front of Joan of Arc on a cold Saturday morning. No, not fired, burned at the stake. That's how big this is. Even the BOT and Dr. Lovell had to notice the revenue implication of this one.
5) Greg Gard woke up this morning and saw a goat, vis a vi recruiting in the State of Wisconsin. He'll go to bed seeing a stallion. Marquette's chances with the best in the state just went to 0. The best in the state are now either going out of state or to Bucky. And if the Hausers are successful at Bucky, maybe we should move the university to Michigan or Illinois!
6) Assuming no major line-up changes, I tend to agree Sacar and Brendan will play key roles in our success next year. Here's another idea: if Theo and Ed cut down on the fouls, what about having Ed Morrow as a power forward in the line-up at the same time as Theo. Two beasts on the boards. I wouldn't want to mix it up down there with those two! Put another way, "You have just been Theoed!"
7) I also think Greg Elliott and Jamal Cain will be key to our success.
Ultimately, if there was this much discord on the team between Markus and the Hausers, something had to give. That's on the coach to keep the egos and the outside influence in check. Wojo didn't and that's why I'm having serious concerns about his leadership. With this example, can we be effective recruiting the talent we need to in order to be a Top 10 team?
Time will tell.
It’s hard to argue with any of this.
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6) Assuming no major line-up changes, I tend to agree Sacar and Brendan will play key roles in our success next year. Here's another idea: if Theo and Ed cut down on the fouls, what about having Ed Morrow as a power forward in the line-up at the same time as Theo. Two beasts on the boards. I wouldn't want to mix it up down there with those two! Put another way, "You have just been Theoed!"
Let's see Ed develop that Jumper he dreams about. If he could hit 1-2 per game then he could play alongside Theo.
I'd also like to see Greg/Jamal/Brendan/Koby/Markus play small ball with full court pressure, trapping defense, and run, run, run. Probably Markus is too slow for that arrangement... maybe Akanno instead?
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Here's another idea: if Theo and Ed cut down on the fouls, what about having Ed Morrow as a power forward in the line-up at the same time as Theo. Two beasts on the boards. I wouldn't want to mix it up down there with those two! Put another way, "You have just been Theoed!"
From what we saw last year, Ed's shooting range is about 1 foot. And even that was no sure thing. Purely from an offensive standpoint, talk about a 180 degree difference between Ed and Joey. Playing two guys who can't shoot a lick at the same time definitely would be bucking today's college basketball landscape.
Plus, I don't see how our depth lets both Ed and Theo start. The way they both commit fouls, we need both at the 5, with one available to sub for the other. Combined, they actually were a decent-to-good 5. I'd hate to mess with that. In a pinch, we could play Joey or even Sam at the 5. Sources tell me that we won't be able to do that any more.
Otherwise, it's hard to argue with any of your post, dg.
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Warning...Wisconsin natives turn away please....(and know I’m just as down on Chicago area basketball leading anyone to the promised land )
Dgies says “the best in the state are now going out of state or to Bucky.”
Other than Racine’s own Jim Chones and a couple of talented kids coached by Bo Ryan under a rigid system, just how many WI kids have led teams very far? Wojo is correct in noting how skilled and well-coached WI kids are, but I don’t think any of them are blowing people away with their talent. I’d bet in private Wojo would admit that you can’t recruit primarily in WI and win big at the highest levels. Wojo has plenty of bonafides to expand his recruiting base. The next few weeks will be crucial indeed. I wouldn’t bet against Coach or our program.
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You will have to change the game plan and scheme entirely...
it doesn't matter who can shoot and who can't.
From who is left, they now have some talented scorers as opposed to shooters per se and great athleticism and rangy and versatile games on both ends.
Their offense will come out of their trapping defense and ability to get out in transition. They will be just fine...and fun to watch once they get their legs.
This might be one of the most anticipated seasons I can remember in awhile.
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Warning...Wisconsin natives turn away please....(and know I’m just as down on Chicago area basketball leading anyone to the promised land )
Dgies says “the best in the state are now going out of state or to Bucky.”
Other than Racine’s own Jim Chones and a couple of talented kids coached by Bo Ryan under a rigid system, just how many WI kids have led teams very far? Wojo is correct in noting how skilled and well-coached WI kids are, but I don’t think any of them are blowing people away with their talent. I’d bet in private Wojo would admit that you can’t recruit primarily in WI and win big at the highest levels. Wojo has plenty of bonafides to expand his recruiting base. The next few weeks will be crucial indeed. I wouldn’t bet against Coach or our program.
Excellent take...nor would I.
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You will have to change the game plan and scheme entirely...
it doesn't matter who can shoot and who can't.
From who is left, they now have some talented scorers as opposed to shooters per se and great athleticism and rangy and versatile games on both ends.
Their offense will come out of their trapping defense and ability to get out in transition. They will be just fine...and fun to watch once they get their legs
This might be one of the most anticipated seasons I can remember in awhile.
I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with this analysis!
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It’s hard to argue with any of this.
I agree with everything you said until you answered the Wisconsin question like any MU fan would...in fear.
But truthfully, WISCONSIN BADGERS WOULD BE PERFECT for them.
But you are right, it was a bad decision if not hasty wasting a year in the case of Sam who is following his brother.
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Sam and Joey would likely be a perfect fit at Wisconsin. Maybe it's as simple as that. But I sure hope they're not headed to Madison.
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You will have to change the game plan and scheme entirely...
it doesn't matter who can shoot and who can't.
From who is left, they now have some talented scorers as opposed to shooters per se and great athleticism and rangy and versatile games on both ends.
Their offense will come out of their trapping defense and ability to get out in transition. They will be just fine...and fun to watch once they get their legs.
This might be one of the most anticipated seasons I can remember in awhile.
So are you saying Wojo made an error and should have started the backups and benched the slow Hausers?
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You will have to change the game plan and scheme entirely...
it doesn't matter who can shoot and who can't.
From who is left, they now have some talented scorers as opposed to shooters per se and great athleticism and rangy and versatile games on both ends.
Their offense will come out of their trapping defense and ability to get out in transition. They will be just fine...and fun to watch once they get their legs.
This might be one of the most anticipated seasons I can remember in awhile.
Problem, Wojo is a system guy and won't be changing his approach. Unfortunately, it's up to the kids to adapt because Wojo won't/can't.
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Warning...Wisconsin natives turn away please....(and know I’m just as down on Chicago area basketball leading anyone to the promised land )
Dgies says “the best in the state are now going out of state or to Bucky.”
Other than Racine’s own Jim Chones and a couple of talented kids coached by Bo Ryan under a rigid system, just how many WI kids have led teams very far? Wojo is correct in noting how skilled and well-coached WI kids are, but I don’t think any of them are blowing people away with their talent. I’d bet in private Wojo would admit that you can’t recruit primarily in WI and win big at the highest levels. Wojo has plenty of bonafides to expand his recruiting base. The next few weeks will be crucial indeed. I wouldn’t bet against Coach or our program.
I generally agree with this. However, when talent arises in your own state, the locals have to be competitive for it. Like the case with Mr. Chones, if you have someone in the State whose that good, they need to be listening to Coach Wojo.
Incidentally, Jim McIllivaine also is from Racine. Tony Smith was from Wauwatosa, Vander Blue and Wes Matthews were from Madison, Henry Ellenson was from Rice Lake.
Instead, they're now going to be listening to that horses ass in Madison.
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Warning...Wisconsin natives turn away please....(and know I’m just as down on Chicago area basketball leading anyone to the promised land )
Dgies says “the best in the state are now going out of state or to Bucky.”
Other than Racine’s own Jim Chones and a couple of talented kids coached by Bo Ryan under a rigid system, just how many WI kids have led teams very far? Wojo is correct in noting how skilled and well-coached WI kids are, but I don’t think any of them are blowing people away with their talent. I’d bet in private Wojo would admit that you can’t recruit primarily in WI and win big at the highest levels. Wojo has plenty of bonafides to expand his recruiting base. The next few weeks will be crucial indeed. I wouldn’t bet against Coach or our program.
Are you kidding me. Is this where people's heads are at? There are more than a few NBA players from Wisconsin. You take those players every time they are available and twice on Tuesdays.
The mental gymnastics that people play around here to justify dog crap is embarrassing.
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Didn't people think Wojo would have a tough time recruiting Wisconsin when the Henry/wally situation went down? We seemed to come out okay then
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A couple of thoughts and then I'll address the issue:
1) When I was in high school, we had two basketball players who were 6'11" and 6'9". Both were all-state and led our team to the state finals, where we lost to a Memphis team that moved across the street to Memphis State. Our guys went to the SEC and were never seen nor heard from again. The morale was in high school when you're that good, you only play against comparable talent a few times a year and in summer barnstorming. When you get to college, you play against talent that's up to you every night. Joey, particularly, found that out and apparently does not have the patience to learn the game at the college level. It takes time. It's also easier to blame your coach and/or teammates than it is to look inside yourself and see what you have to do to be a pro.
2) These guys were nuts in leaving. At worst, Markus has a year left. Work on your game. With a new point guard coming in, chances are the Hausers were going to get a lot more touches than this year. Especially if they really are open and can knock down the threes. They had a chance to create a legacy and be part of a Top5 to Top 10 team. Now, they're on the pine next year and if they go anyplace they mention except Wisconsin, they'll be part-time to occasional players until they learn the system and solve their weaknesses. If they go to Wisconsin, they have no chance of being part of anything that good.
Now for our program:
3) I have been a Wojo fan until today. As a coach, you're going to lose players. That's a fact of life. Everybody has at one point or another. Heck, for awhile, Iowa State was Marquette West. But the Hausers are two hallmark recruits from the State of Wisconsin who bolted. That can't happen and leads to a lot of the same questions we raised about the Cowboy (formerly the Hillbilly) when the Cowboy could not keep Vander Blue and had no point guard.
4) It's too late to fire Wojo but the heat under his seat just went to 1000 kelvin. If we don't replace the Hausers (yes, I agree, Brendan is one of the replacements but now we need depth) and we don't make the NCAA and win a game there, Wojo will be burned at the stake in front of Joan of Arc on a cold Saturday morning. No, not fired, burned at the stake. That's how big this is. Even the BOT and Dr. Lovell had to notice the revenue implication of this one.
5) Greg Gard woke up this morning and saw a goat, vis a vi recruiting in the State of Wisconsin. He'll go to bed seeing a stallion. Marquette's chances with the best in the state just went to 0. The best in the state are now either going out of state or to Bucky. And if the Hausers are successful at Bucky, maybe we should move the university to Michigan or Illinois!
6) Assuming no major line-up changes, I tend to agree Sacar and Brendan will play key roles in our success next year. Here's another idea: if Theo and Ed cut down on the fouls, what about having Ed Morrow as a power forward in the line-up at the same time as Theo. Two beasts on the boards. I wouldn't want to mix it up down there with those two! Put another way, "You have just been Theoed!"
7) I also think Greg Elliott and Jamal Cain will be key to our success.
Ultimately, if there was this much discord on the team between Markus and the Hausers, something had to give. That's on the coach to keep the egos and the outside influence in check. Wojo didn't and that's why I'm having serious concerns about his leadership. With this example, can we be effective recruiting the talent we need to in order to be a Top 10 team?
Time will tell.
Wojo has fine tuned car....then at season end it sputters and now the wheels fall off.
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We may see more of Ed and Theo playing together. Ed isn’t an above the rim PF, but he’s definitely a PF.
I thought about this. The trouble is they are both foul prone. last year we at least had Heldt. Maybe Eke can take Heldt's spot, but I suspect that Eke will never play.
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Starters: Markus, Koby, Sacar, Brendan, Theo.
Top 4 off the bench: Cain, Morrow, Torrence, Elliott.
Wild card: Ike.
Upside: More speed, more getting to the rim off the dribble thanks to McEwen, probably better man defense.
Downside: Fewer shooters. Defensive rebounding. Size down low.
More three guard offense, but all of the guards other than Markus have size.
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Starters: Markus, Koby, Sacar, Brendan, Theo.
Top 4 off the bench: Cain, Morrow, Torrence, Elliott.
Wild card: Ike.
Upside: More speed, more getting to the rim off the dribble thanks to McEwen, probably better man defense.
Downside: Fewer shooters. Defensive rebounding. Size down low.
More three guard offense, but all of the guards other than Markus have size.
Floor-spacing is going to be a big issue here. Wojo's four-out, one-in offense is based on dragging bigs out of the lane to guard on the perimeter. The Hausers ability to shoot, opened up the lane for Markus.
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Starters: Markus, Koby, Sacar, Brendan, Theo.
Top 4 off the bench: Cain, Morrow, Torrence, Elliott.
Wild card: Ike.
Upside: More speed, more getting to the rim off the dribble thanks to McEwen, probably better man defense.
Downside: Fewer shooters. Defensive rebounding. Size down low.
More three guard offense, but all of the guards other than Markus have size.
I'd be surprised if we don't get a wing type grad transfer to fill some of holes now exposed at the 3/4. 3 Schollies to play with now. Assume Symir takes one. Traditional transfer with 1. Grad with the last.
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The team will be more cohesive next year and Bailey and Cain will do a great job replacing the Hausers.
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Are you kidding me. Is this where people's heads are at? There are more than a few NBA players from Wisconsin. You take those players every time they are available and twice on Tuesdays.
The mental gymnastics that people play around here to justify dog crap is embarrassing.
And herein lies the problem.
I guarantee you that Wojo recruited the Hauser bros. thinking they would do whatever it takes to win. Not the mindset he got. If a Wisconsin kid can’t even be a Wisconsin kid, then what is the point? Henry Ellenson, different example, same problem.
The Hausers got plenty of shots in our system. Were they open a couple times waving their hands? Yep. Tough break.
What is dog crap is a brother tandem not even talented enough to be sure-fire NBA draft picks leaving on a preSeason top5 team most likely over showcasing issues.
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The team will be more cohesive next year and Bailey and Cain will do a great job replacing the Hausers.
Amen.
Hallelujah.
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5) Greg Gard woke up this morning and saw a goat, vis a vi recruiting in the State of Wisconsin. He'll go to bed seeing a stallion. Marquette's chances with the best in the state just went to 0. The best in the state are now either going out of state or to Bucky. And if the Hausers are successful at Bucky, maybe we should move the university to Michigan or Illinois!
Disagree. This is not gonna effect where most Wisconsin players go. Why would Johnson, Foster, Baldwin, etc., be affected by this.
Rarely do highly ranked Wisconsin players stay in-state anyway - especially to Marquette.
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The team will be more cohesive next year and Bailey and Cain will do a great job replacing the Hausers.
..... and there will be peace in the Middle East!
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Are you kidding me. Is this where people's heads are at? There are more than a few NBA players from Wisconsin. You take those players every time they are available and twice on Tuesdays.
The mental gymnastics that people play around here to justify dog crap is embarrassing.
And herein lies the problem.
I guarantee you that Wojo recruited the Hauser bros. thinking they would do whatever it takes to win. Not the mindset he got. If a Wisconsin kid can’t even be a Wisconsin kid, then what is the point? Henry Ellenson, different example, same problem.
The Hausers got plenty of shots in our system. Were they open a couple times waving their hands? Yep. Tough break.
What is dog crap is a brother tandem not even talented enough to be sure-fire NBA draft picks leaving on a preSeason top5 team most likely over showcasing issues.
What does the first quote have to do with the second?
Like, at all.
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Who fills the gaps? Johnson, Sibley, Foster and/or Baldwin.
My conspiracy theory: a couple of these guys verbaled to Wojo, Wojo sat down with Joey and told him his role would be changing, and Joey ran off in a huff back to Stevens Point to boo-hoo to brother Sam and daddy.
I know, it's a fantastic story that I just dreamed up, but....
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What does the first quote have to do with the second?
Like, at all.
Sorry you didn’t get my point, which was that Wisconsin kids used to be focused first and foremost on doing whatever it takes, within a coach’s vision, to win.....and that is what made them highly appealing recruiting targets to college coaches, especially if the player had bonafide or even borderline next-level skills. The best part is that they come with pre-taught fundamentals and really high-level skills.
Now, many many WI kids seem to think they are NBA talents-in-waiting and they’re losing their essence. I can see when a big man like Henry has such a unique skill-set that he can dribble the length of the floor at his height. Yeah, that’s a special, although much more common today, skill-set. When a couple slow as molasses spot up shooters decide that they’re not being featured enough on a preseason top5 team? That’s a departure from why they were recruited, not to mention an example of quitting on their team.
If you think a couple of the true NBA-bound studs in the 2020 WI HS recruiting class won’t consider us now, that’s just garbage. I think they’d be more likely to consider us now.