Oso planning to go pro
To put this in perspective UNC committed academic fraud and made up fake classes over multiple years and got nothing. DePaul has a prospect live with someone for two weeks to ensure that he does the work needed to become eligible and the coach gets three games. Moral of the story if you fake an education it is better than actually helping someone do it themselves.
Not much pain inflicted. The silver lining in the cloud for DePaul, is this probation may be enough of an embarrassment for the AD to get booted.
I wonder if this had anything to do with the probation....https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-depaul-dave-leitao-jean-lenti-ponsetto-protection-20181017-story.html
DePaul broke NCAA rules, UNC’s issues were not a violation of NCAA rules nor in the NCAA ‘s jurisdiction.
For anyone that knows DePaul, it cannot be stressed enough that JLP is not going anywhere. She is incredibly well connected through the school and alumni, and always falls back on the success of Olympic sports (especially women's sports) and the graduation rates of the student-athletes. Additionally, she has many related contacts within the AD that firmly entrench her position until she chooses to step aside or gets reassigned to another high-ranking. It is what it is.The level of apathy for DePaul basketball in Chicago is remarkably high. Everyone appears to just have accepted that DePaul will never come close to what it once was, which is just a shame.
Which is just amazing. The amount of money that JLP leaves on the table that could be used for scholarships, university advancement and recruiting because the men's basketball program is the garbage pail of the Big east is amazing. And, now, she gets caught overseeing an NCAA scandal.I wish if I sucked at my job, I could count on long-term support for my suckedness the way JLP can.It's sad because the 1980s Marquette/DePaul games were something special -- even when we did not win.
It is not a violation of NCAA rules but it is a violation of the core argument for not paying players. Is it worst to get an impermissible benefit or a meaningless education?
Why, not just ballplayers we’re taking the classes. Should the regular students get paid, too?
Why, not just ballplayers we’re taking the classes. Should the regular students get paid, too?Also, let’s not suggest every class they took was a scam class, it wasn’t, though one dept in particular had a majority of these classes.
Well, regular students (even on scholarship) are allowed to make money from licensing their likeness, accepting gifts from alumni, and many other things that ballplayers are not allowed. So, I guess, yes.
Regular students taking the class is just a cover for what the classes were intended to be which is keep the team eligible. It is also dishonest to offer a class to regular students when intention isn’t to educate but be a fake class. Many of our higher educational institutions lost their way by becoming diploma mills and focusing less on education versus how to maximize profit. My point is that in the case of DePaul they gave a recruit a benefit of living with someone for two weeks to make sure that he did the work to get in. Shame on them and they got caught. North Carolina setup a shame in order to allow the athletes not do the work but get the reward. The intent was the same but in the former the athlete still had to do it and in the latter proves that the NCAA is not about the student.
A better way of saying it, UNC didn’t create sham classes in the dept of African and Afro American Studies to benefit student athletes. The dept already existed along with many of the sham classes. Eventually that grew to 200 classes in that department. The athletic teams, as is the case at many schools, looked for easy majors or easy courses for some of their student athletes to increase their eligibility chances and that vehicle was an easy one for them to utilize. One was not created for the means, but the means were used for the result they desired. There is a reason why there was a physics class at MU called basketball physics, even though it had a majority of “regular” students. Communications had that reputation. Sport Management at Michigan. Phys Ed at many schools. Not saying any of the latter examples are sham classes, but coaches want their players eligible to play so some students and student athletes gravitate to certain courses. For the same reason some students with a tough load or in need of a GPA boost also look for a course that is an “easy B or A”.
The mistake UNC made was they did not properly oversee the administration of the easy classes. Most Universities,including MU, do a great job of this. UNC essentially let the African American department, and a couple of people in the department who were big sports fan, administer a big chunk of their easy class portfolio, and the school turned a blind eye. So when a disgruntled former student athlete complained the whole system was exposed. If one reads the case files, it shows that the biggest out right abuser of the system by the way was the coach of the UNC Womans soccer team. It is not a coincidence that their ladies have won 22 national titles in that sport. Having 3 kids in division one sports I can confidently say that all schools have these set ups. Most administer with much more thoughtfulness than UNC did.
The UNC women's soccer team won 22 national titles because they were taking fake classes?
The coach was all about keeping players eligible.
It's not hard to keep D1 college athletes eligible. Especially a women's soccer team.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny. Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.
Actually, athletes can license their likeness so long as they can demonstrate that any value of their likeness cannot reasonably be attributed to their participation in athletics. Just like regular students.
So a DePaul player could license his likeness, but a Marquette player couldn't?
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.