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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on January 12, 2013, 01:21:12 PM
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Keep your points, rebounds, assists....keep them all. DeWilson for stepping up and holding the team together for the last 25 minutes.
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Garnder or Blue. Both were extremely efficient.
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Apart from that 3 he blew that led to OT, he's SOTG. played the whole second half and OT. What a champ. Stepped up when we needed him to.
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Blue. 22 points and 9/10 at the line. Any D1 player should be able to dribble the ball around and make completely safe hand-offs to teammates, you need to make some plays to win the game.
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Gardner and Blue both played well. I am pretty sure if you replay the end of regulation, you will see that Wilson was the only guy out there. Hard to say where the breakdown occurred.
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Vander Blue. Clutch with the free throws at the end.
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D Wil.
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Vander. 8-8 free throws in OT, 6 when it mattered. I really wanted it to be DWil, but he did NOTHING special. He was competent, even though he had more TOs than assists.
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Blue was absolutely SOTG. Season high and career high in Big East play. Ice at the line down the stretch to put the game away. He was a superhero today.
Kudos to Derrick for stepping up, but there was only one SOTG and his name is spelled B-L-U-E.
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Boot camp is the real champ for everyone being fresh at the end. If it has to be a player, I'd go Blue or D Will.
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Gotta be Van. Sure D Wilson played well in Jr's minutes, but Vander was the one that picked up he slack in Jr's absence.
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D. Wilson, took Pitt's best player completely out of the game
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13lue
Hands down.
Attacked the rim, HIT THE FTs, defending well.
Even played spot PG duty with JR out.
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Vander. But very solid day for D Wil.
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D. Wilson had one point, two rebounds, one assist and three fouls. BUT, he had only one turnover playing the majority of the second half and overtime on the road.
Maybe Tower's right, but have to go with Blue and the clutch in OT.
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Blue with honorable mention to JWilson and DWilson.
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Gardner or Blue. Both bailed us out at various times. I can't believe we're 3-0 in conference, could just as easily be 0-3. Love the depth, if we get some consistency on offense this team could be really dangerous
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I will accept Blue or DG, but I just wanted to give DWilson his props right up front.
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The three wasn't derrick's fault. Why were the MU guys all inside with 1.2 seconds. A 2 gets them nothing. It was a tough move for Buzz to not call a TO. MU had the advantage with Pitt having no timeouts and I guess MU didn't want to give them a free TO to set something up but MU wasn't ready and should have called TO. It happened very fast though. Nice to see them come out tough in OT and get the win.
My vote for SOTG though is Vander. Very high level game from him. Jamil and Gardner were right behind him.
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Blue with honorable mention to JWilson and DWilson.
Jamil had a great 10 minute start to the second half, but he took a lot of bad shots. Not efficient at all.
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Vander. No question.
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Jamil had a great 10 minute start to the second half, but he took a lot of bad shots. Not efficient at all.
I wouldn't say they were bad shots. He just missed every one of them lol. Van is SOTG Gardmer played great...just made the dumbest play I've seen in a long time .
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Keep your points, rebounds, assists....keep them all. DeWilson for stepping up and holding the team together for the last 25 minutes.
I agree with this, but I had already decided in the first half that if we won it is because Wilson dove for the lose ball that knocked Woodall out of the game. I do not think we win, if Woodall does not get hurt.
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DG. Some big buckets, and the big charge. DWil stepped up and filled in nicely and Vander had a great game too, but Ox was was the rock, especially against this team that was dominating us on the boards.
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13lue was excellent, other than the seemingly obligatory charge. Solid D, timely hoops, and ice at the FT line.
D Wilson was a trooper, but Vander was a BEAST!
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Vander Blue
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Vander Blue!!!!
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Vander Blue
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D. Wilson. Although he'll hear from Goodell about the helmet-to-helmet hit on Woodall.
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Blue running away. Tough, tough team play though. GTST.
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Vander, no contest.
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Blue running away. Tough, tough team play though. GTST.
Yep what he said
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Blue. A few turnovers, but he played 40 minutes...at least 10 minutes more than anyone else.
Let me say this though. There really wasn't anyone that played poorly. Juan was huge. Trent did a lot of little things. Jamil had a real solid second half.
And they were fantastically coached.
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SOTG: Vander
Honorable mention: D.Wilson (31 minutes 1 TO? ridiculous. )
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Gotta go with Vander. Nice game by DeWilson, but definitely Vander.
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Blue. A few turnovers, but he played 40 minutes...at least 10 minutes more than anyone else.
Let me say this though. There really wasn't anyone that played poorly. Juan was huge. Trent did a lot of little things. Jamil had a real solid second half.
And they were fantastically coached.
Vander Blue, no question. Although we lose that game without DWilson stepping pretty seamlessly into Junior's role.
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Keep your points, rebounds, assists....keep them all. DeWilson for stepping up and holding the team together for the last 25 minutes.
not that i really care about SOTG, but i think it's supposed to be the player on MU's team that plays the best...not the one that plays better than expected, or has to play more minutes than expected, etc.
i really didn't think he did anything special in the 2nd half, and would expect that level of play out of him. he missed a free throw down the stretch (when he should have been smart enough to pass it off to better FT shooter), couldn't put the ball in the hoop on a couple easy situations, his defense on the game tying 3 with a second left was awful (along with lockett), and in the end we have to have our 6' pg throwing the ball in because he can't make free throws.
he was solid, but i think we all knew he was capable of doing what he did this afternoon...the reason he hadn't had the chance is because he's not good enough to take the ball out of junior's hands at the end of the game.
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OK, I'm going to say this about Derrick Wilson, and I know I'm going to get roasted here.
Derrick Wilson was fine. And yeah he had only one turnover. But he also had only one point...and one assist. He passed the ball around efficiently, but doesn't break down a defense in any manner. I think he was solid, but not SOTG worthy.
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Gardner 6-6, stud from start to finish
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Blue but Derrick is the most important player of the game today.
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Vander Blue is absolutely SOTG.
Great job filling in by D. Wilson, though.
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Sultan, here's where you and I disagree.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/gameflash/2013/01/12/78871_boxscore.html
In another thread, you praised Trent's play today. He played 32 minutes, had 3 pts, 3 boards and 1 assist, along with ANOTHER end of game mental breakdown.
DWilson played 31 minutes, had 1 pt, 2 boards 1 assist, held the team together in Junior's absence, and you say that all he did was not screw up. Why the Trent love? It can't be all of the intangibles that don't show up in the scorebook, because DWilson's defense was every bit as good today.
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D.wilson....come on last year we all would have been cringing when he stepped up to the free throw line at the end of a game. He calmly hit the first one...and was looking good too! Plus ran the team really well!
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D Wilson.
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It was this thread, and I really didn't praise Trent's play. I just pointed out he did a lot of little things well. So did Wilson. Neither played poorly by any respect, but neither deserve SOTG.
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Blue was easily SOTG.
Gardner would also be an acceptable choice. I thought J. Wilson had some timely hoops.
Derrick Wilson definitely not SOTG, but played well.
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OK, I'm going to say this about Derrick Wilson, and I know I'm going to get roasted here.
Derrick Wilson was fine. And yeah he had only one turnover. But he also had only one point...and one assist. He passed the ball around efficiently, but doesn't break down a defense in any manner. I think he was solid, but not SOTG worthy.
You shouldn't get roasted, and many on this thread have already expressed similar thoughts.
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Give Vander player of the game for his driving to the basket points and his free throws. Give Derrick sixth man of the game for minimal turnovers by a substitute point guard.
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Vander Blue with 22 was the difference maker!
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Vander. No question.
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Gotta be Vander! DG is unreal though.
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Blue. Not even close, really.
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OK, I'm going to say this about Derrick Wilson, and I know I'm going to get roasted here.
Derrick Wilson was fine. And yeah he had only one turnover. But he also had only one point...and one assist. He passed the ball around efficiently, but doesn't break down a defense in any manner. I think he was solid, but not SOTG worthy.
I'm with you Sultan. D Wilson was huge but not SOTG. His growth challenge for next year will to become a modest, but real, offensive threat. That's what he can do to make everyone else better around him. But no complaints. We asked a Sophomore to manage the team on the road. He did a fine job.
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Vander.
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Vander Blue and its not close. Was good from start to finish.
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13lue for sure.
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JWilson, stop getting your hand caught in the cookie jar.
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Vander. Dwil was great, but Vander tipped the scales. Best player on the court today
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I don't think you can say it was Vander and no one else was close. Gardner was a machine and masked a lkt of half court weaknesses. In fact I'd lkke to see the value add, I bet it's pretty even between the two if not a slight edge to Gardner. If a couple of JWilson's in and out Js went down he'd have a strong case too. Really hope he starts putting up those kind of shots at that kind of volume with regularity.
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How in the world could everyone be adamant that Lockett couldn't win because of a foul on a 3. But people will boast about how awesome Gardner was in a game where he struggled. He threw the ball into the upper deck and lost a easy rebound on a key late FT, both of which easily could have lost us the game.
I'd go with Mayo, making FTs down the stretch and handling the ball, since you couldn't risk Wilson having the rock (55% FT shooter).
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Jamil
I don't think you can say it was Vander and no one else was close. Gardner was a machine and masked a lkt of half court weaknesses. In fact I'd lkke to see the value add, I bet it's pretty even between the two if not a slight edge to Gardner. If a couple of JWilson's in and out Js went down he'd have a strong case too. Really hope he starts putting up those kind of shots at that kind of volume with regularity.
Jamil can create his own shot and a lot of the time they look great until they rim out or simply miss. If he can hit those more consistently this team will have another reliable weapon. He's been a slight disappointment thus far
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Vander Blue hands down. C'mon.
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Cadougans mom.... Or vander.
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VBlue. Though I did like how JWil stepped up and hit some shots today. Good all around game except the last 1.2 or regulation.
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How in the world could everyone be adamant that Lockett couldn't win because of a foul on a 3. But people will boast about how awesome Gardner was in a game where he struggled. He threw the ball into the upper deck and lost a easy rebound on a key late FT, both of which easily could have lost us the game.
I'd go with Mayo, making FTs down the stretch and handling the ball, since you couldn't risk Wilson having the rock (55% FT shooter).
Mayo's FTs were hit when the game was already won. His first FT was with :53 left in OT and stretched MU's lead from 6 to 7. He didn't even enter the game in OT until Jamil fouled out.
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Blue, has has really stepped up and been the player we need.
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Blue, but Gardner is bringing it game after game.
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Anyone who voted for Gardner this week after not voting for Trent last week is being a hypocrite. Gardner trying to make the long pass instead of bottling up the ball and taking the foul (as our best FT shooter) was just as dire as Lockett's mistake last week. It allowed the game to stay at 1 possession which allowed that 3 PT to bring us to OT.
That said:
Blue
DG
Anderson
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I can understand the love for Derrick and I'm a big fan of rewarding the guy who does all the "little things." But ...
Vander made what would have been the game's biggest basket late in regulation (had we not screwed up and let them tie), and then he was clutch in OT.
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How in the world could everyone be adamant that Lockett couldn't win because of a foul on a 3. But people will boast about how awesome Gardner was in a game where he struggled. He threw the ball into the upper deck and lost a easy rebound on a key late FT, both of which easily could have lost us the game.
I'd go with Mayo, making FTs down the stretch and handling the ball, since you couldn't risk Wilson having the rock (55% FT shooter).
Huh?
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Anyone who voted for Gardner this week after not voting for Trent last week is being a hypocrite. Gardner trying to make the long pass instead of bottling up the ball and taking the foul (as our best FT shooter) was just as dire as Lockett's mistake last week. It allowed the game to stay at 1 possession which allowed that 3 PT to bring us to OT.
That said:
Blue
DG
Anderson
Agreed. Gardner made way too many mistakes late in the game to be considered in my opinion. 1) gave up the big OR on a FT!! leading to a Pitt bucket, 2) got back late on D leading to a wide open Pitt bucket, 3)the bizarre "fast break"-throw the ball 8 rows into the stands which ultimately led to the 3 to tie the game.
But, he scores, and we know that's all that matters.
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Its so obviously my boy Vander Blue.
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Gotta go with Blue.
We would have a lot less stressful games if we had that type of clutch shooting down the stretch on a regular basis.
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VB
Watched the game from the Ucker seats at the PEC. Great game, but it's never easy for the Warriors.
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I think you have to consider that Wilson left the court after banging heads hard enough to give the other player a concussion. One might assume Wilson played the rest of this game with a headache. What he brings to the floor is toughness, which probably encourages, by leadership, the other MU players to play tough.
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D Wilson even though Blue, J Wilson and Gardner did much more offensively. Why? Derrick managed the game for everyone. Took on the point with rock steady play and real, real hustle. After all, it was his hard dive for a lose ball that knocked Pitt's point guard and best player out of the game. His rock head and big heart were the difference in my view. Derrick no, DeRock Wilson!
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Blue had at least three bad turnovers/blocked shots that led to easy baskets for Pitt. But he also made some big plays and scored some big baskets at crucial points in the game, so I'd vote for him.
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Any way we can get an updated pic of the Pitt SOTG?
He's no longer #2.
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Any way we can get an updated pic of the Pitt SOTG?
He's no longer #2.
I made this for you.
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Any way we can get an updated pic of the Pitt SOTG?
He's no longer #2.
I generally just grab what I can off the wiki, and if you slackers don't update the wiki, pics don't get updated!
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/vander_blue
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I generally just grab what I can off the wiki, and if you slackers don't update the wiki, pics don't get updated!
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/vander_blue
Psssshhhhh.
I update from time to time.
But usually it's the vintage stuff. :/
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I update from time to time.
Yeah, I haven't run numbers in a long time, but you're still one of our top contributors. Thanks. Now get back to work! :)