NCAA Tourney

[bigdawgdude]

Missouri:  Game tied and we foul and send tiller to the line.  He's injured so english comes in and makes them both for a 2 point lead. then lazar turnover from stepping on the line.  the rest is history....

Washington:  gave up big lead in second half and didn't make a field goal the last 4:33 of play.  Nerves go the better of DJO when he couldn't handle a pass that went out of bounds, and lack of D fense and post presense to stop a drive for the win.

[GGGG]

This is a pretty silly question.

Against Mizzou, we came back from way back to even make it a game.  Against UW, it was clear that their style was going to give us fits no matter how many times we played the game.

Neither was a choke.

[Clam Crowder]

We overperformed last year, and a team that many people wrote off made it to the tourney as a 5th seed. Against Mizzou we had a great team. Dominic maybe should have sat that one out, but I think that with the team we had that year Mizzou was a bigger choke

[reinko]

Missouri:  Game tied and we foul and send tiller to the line.  He's injured so english comes in and makes them both for a 2 point lead. then lazar turnover from stepping on the line.  the rest is history....

Washington:  gave up big lead in second half and didn't make a field goal the last 4:33 of play.  Nerves go the better of DJO when he couldn't handle a pass that went out of bounds, and lack of D fense and post presense to stop a drive for the win.

Question been brewing for the past 7 months...and you woke up today and was like "yeah, today is the day.  Friday the 13th of August is the day.  I'm going for it.

[wardle2wade]

Missouri:  Game tied and we foul and send tiller to the line.  He's injured so english comes in and makes them both for a 2 point lead. then lazar turnover from stepping on the line.  the rest is history....

FYP

[Canadian Dimes]

If any game was to be labeled a "choke" it would have to be the Washington game.  Simply due to the fact that we led by double digits in the second half.  personally i dont think either game was a choke though...both games were against more talented and more importantly deeper teams.  the source of that problem now resides in Bloomington.

  Going forward, if and when we choke it can truly be labeled a choke versus a team the last two years that was fighting and clawing against a deeper more talented and  taller team.

[LON]

Players may not have stepped up when called upon, but your (bigdawgdude) statement in the other thread was:

"mustache bro, are you saying that buzz is a good coach if he doesn't get big guys?  A good coach needs to make a team, and not a bunch of summer league "ballers" that choke under pressure.  MU has had final four guard play, but a team is built from the ground up not guards all the way to more guards.  Buzz hasn't given his players an ounce of confidence.  Example: every NCAA tourney choke he has coached in."

So who is doing the choking in your scenarios?  Buzz?  The players?  Both?

Question been brewing for the past 7 months...and you woke up today and was like "yeah, today is the day.  Friday the 13th of August is the day.  I'm going for it.

+1

[bigdawgdude]

Buzz's lack of preparation for big moments and attitude that winning one game in big east play is like winning the super bowl.  example: Louisville

[tower912]

5'8 (maybe), 6'0 (maybe)  6'2, 6'2, 6'6 (maybe) 6'6, 6'7 (maybe).    There are many high schools in the country that have rotations taller and deeper than that.    You hate blowing big leads, but sometimes a lack of bench causes a team to hit a wall.   It happened early in the year against FSU, it happened in the BEast tourney against G-town.     Short with no bench leaves no room for error.   Buzz' teams play with an abundance of confidence.    The prior year, the team was a broken bone in DJ's foot from being able to make a E8 run.   
     Finally, the tourney is a crapshoot.   Buzz has been a D1 coach for 3 years.    I really hate to borrow from Chico, but why don't we give the guy a few more years to learn/grow/develop his own game before we say his teams choke.      Troll.   

[mileskishnish72]

Amen, Tower

[bigdawgdude]

butler got burned 1 on 1 with pondexter.  a guy who is 6' 6"....no difference in height, just no help D or even mindset to stop him.  DJ never got better as a player from the day he walked into marquette, and a team that does that 2 years in a row is no fluke.

PS about the Troll thing....Winners don't make excuses they just do it bro

[ceh]

For some reason the Mizzou game still gives me nightmares, maybe it's because I live in KC and know many Tiger fans.  However, we did get them on our Final 4 run, so I guess we're even, maybe....

I really thought Washington played well in the second half.  We could not seem to match their intensity.  I'm giving all the credit to Washington for having a great second half as opposed to a MU choke.

[goodgreatgrand]

The prior year, the team was a broken bone in DJ's foot from being able to make a E8 run.   
  

Not disagreeing with you here but Ners would argue that it is purely the coach's responsibility to prepare/develop the backup talent to virtually pick up where the injured player left off. Personally, I think Ners is a complete moron...but that's just my opinion. He blamed Syracuse's Sweet 16 loss to the fact that Boeheim didnt develop their backup center to replace the production of Onuaku who was hurt right before the start of the NCAA tournament. Just stupid logic

[tower912]

butler got burned 1 on 1 with pondexter.  a guy who is 6' 6"....no difference in height, just no help D or even mindset to stop him.  DJ never got better as a player from the day he walked into marquette, and a team that does that 2 years in a row is no fluke.

PS about the Troll thing....Winners don't make excuses they just do it bro

Most players have trouble guarding someone their own size when the offensive player is going hard to the hole.   That is when the big guy coming over to play help defense is so important.    Butler was our big guy.   Last year's team got the max it could have out of its talent.   Failed to make a couple of big stops at important times, though.   It sucks, but only one team ends the year happy.    Trolls just go around throwing chum on the water because they fear life outside their parents basement.

[LON]

butler got burned 1 on 1 with pondexter.  a guy who is 6' 6"....no difference in height, just no help D or even mindset to stop him.  DJ never got better as a player from the day he walked into marquette, and a team that does that 2 years in a row is no fluke.

PS about the Troll thing....Winners don't make excuses they just do it bro

You still haven't answered my question, bro.

Who choked in the Mizzou and Washington games?

[LON]

butler got burned 1 on 1 with pondexter.  a guy who is 6' 6"....no difference in height, just no help D or even mindset to stop him.  DJ never got better as a player from the day he walked into marquette, and a team that does that 2 years in a row is no fluke.

PS about the Troll thing....Winners don't make excuses they just do it bro

Pondexter may be 6'6" but he was also a 1st round pick this year...

And Butler didn't have the mindset to stop him?  Please articulate that some more, I'm curious how you arrived at that opinion.

[bigdawgdude]

what about the help D.  Pondexter took it full court, it wasn't just a 1 on 1 situation, someone should have stopped ball, at least if buzz had taught them to in a situation like this.  They played it safe because they exceeded buzz's expectations.  They see a guy who gets pumped and dances like a degenerate when they beat Louisville by more than 10.  act like you've won a game before buzz, come on.  then in the big east tourney they gave up, because once again they exceeded buzz's expectations.  He and every other MU fan was happy with the win vs villanova.

don't say they were tired either.  a 40 minute game a day giving it your all when you play college ball should be nothing.  they get a break after every couple of minutes

[bigdawgdude]

lancesfavoritenutsucker:  in case you haven't been paying attention, I have stated buzz choked by not preparing a team for it all.  He prepared them to exceed expectations, not to win a national championship.

[mikem91288]

I'll admit it. Pondexter broke JB's ankles out there. Or he fell down, whatever. It was not a pretty sight. I say UW. The Mizzou game was more just we got screwed/unlucky.

[Canadian Dimes]

then why do teams sub at all?  

giving your all and not being tired are two completely different things...the guy crawling across the finish line of a triathalon is giving his all yet is tired.  

based on your few comments my guess is you are a drunk FFP'er who never played the game before.

[Canadian Dimes]

lancesfavoritenutsucker:  in case you haven't been paying attention, I have stated buzz choked by not preparing a team for it all.  He prepared them to exceed expectations, not to win a national championship.

Buzz sounds like that idiot Brad stevens down at Butler seeing how Stevens apparently made the same mistakes.


Boy are those two stupid!

[bigdawgdude]

don't say they were tired either.  a 40 minute game a day giving it your all when you play college ball should be nothing.  they get a break after every couple of minutes

notice how i said a 40 minute game giving it your all.  it means we had a small bench and the players needed to give more of themselves out there to make up for it.

What other reason would a college basketball player be tired in a game besides giving their all on D and O?

[bigdawgdude]

based on your few comments my guess is you are a drunk FFP'er who never played the game before.

Good argument.....where did Buzz play again?

[LON]

So the players gave their all, but they should have given more?

You're a douche-canoe, I figured I'd come down to your level.  Maybe then I'll be able to comprehend the crap you're spraying all over this thread.

[MUCam]

I blame Mbakwe for the new MU Scoop message board presence known as bigdawgdude. Only Mbakwe could be behind such asinine comments.

EDITED to correct spelling errors and grammatical mis-steps attributable to Mbakwe.