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Mills, Curry, Irving, Durant......Harris if he ever returns.
You and I have very different definitions of "elite," I guess.Patty Mills is a career 39% shooter from three who has one year - in 13 seasons - in the top 10 in 3FG percentage, and two others in the top 20. Can you be elite if you're not even in the top 20 in 10 of your 13 seasons?Exactly how many "elite" shooters do you think there are?Irving also is a 39% three-point shooter who's had one season in the top 10 and one more in the top 20. So, in two of 11 seasons, he's been in the top 20.This, again, is not elite as I see it.Curry and Harris are excellent shooters, but super limited at everything else. You can't have both on the court at the same time.
Honestly career wise elite is a bit strong for Mills. Hes very good. And does the job of the overall presmise. Keep teams from sagging off Simmons.But yeah, we definitely have differing defintions of elite if you are going to cherry pick how you judge guys. So Curry and Harris cant do much else...but Kyrie gets dinged??You do realize that 39% lifetime from 3 for a player like Kyrie who takes shots like Kyrie is absoltuely elite right?? And thats the whole idea. You have Simmons surrounded by a player like Kyrie who can make video game 3s, along side spot up shooters. Boom.
I'm not cherry-picking. I'm using data.So your position here is that Kyrie's not-elite shooting actually is elite because he takes bad shots?But yes, Simmons will be a better fit for the Nets because he's surrounded by four 39% or better three-point shooters .... exactly like he was in Philly last year (Curry, Danny Green, Tobias Harris, George Hill).
Sure, except Embiid is up for a super max deal at the end of next season as well. The 2023 season is going to be me/you/Fluff/Embiid/Harden on the floor for the Sixers. I'll come around and say if the Sixers can win a title and get to the Finals next year too, it's worth the Harden tax down the road. I just have major concerns about Harden coming up.
No im saying hes an elite shooter because he has the ability to get off more shots at a higher difficulty and on his own and still make them at a 39% clip. If you cant grasp that I truly dont think you can be helped.Again, Kyrie is better than just about every other ball dominat superstar not named Steph from 3. And now you are cherry picking. Tobias Harris is 36.4% for his career. But now use 1 year of his while discrediting Mills at 42.4% this year and calling him 39%.Lets find some consistency
I haven't watched enough of Mills to know either way, but Kyrie is absolutely an elite shooter. Percentage is meaningless without factoring in volume and shot creation. Especially in the playoffs.
Yeah its insane to say that kyrie isnt eliteHe could sit and drill 44% catch and shoot 3s in his sleep if he wanted to. But that would deminish his value as an all around shot maker and player
If you cant grasp that I truly dont think you can be helped.
And now you are cherry picking. Tobias Harris is 36.4% for his career. But now use 1 year of his while discrediting Mills at 42.4% this year and calling him 39%.Lets find some consistency
Not to mention there are only 50 guys in NBA history who shot 40% on 3s in their career. 39.1% on 6 attempts per game is absurdly good without even factoring in degree of difficulty.Mills is at 39.2% for his career at almost five attempts per game. 6.7 attempts per game over the last three years. He shoots off the dribble a ton as well.Even if we only use percentage, Mills and Kyrie rank 72nd and 74th all time.https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_pct_career.html
Sigh ... OK.I'm entirely consistent. I said Simmons with the Nets will be surrounded by four 39% or better shooters, just as he was last year with the Sixers. I'm no math whiz, but doesn't 42% qualify as "39% or better"?
Would you try to pick-up Dragic if you were the Bucks?
There is no consistency youre jumping between career and season to season averages.Kyrie Irving is an elite shooter. I can say with confidence that every single person invovled in the NBA...executive, player or coach would agree with that statement. Every single one.
Yup Mills isnt a complete catch and shoot guy.And when I said the Nets had shooters that doesnt just mean 3 pt shooters. Durant can knock down shots from anywhere at a better rate than Harris or Embiid could ever dream of.So thats part of the point. Simmons will now have spacing in the playoffs because teams know that Kyrie and Durant can get any shot they want. Curry is as good as they get catch and shoot(Harris too if available) and Mills is a collect of both getting his own shot and spotting up.Simmons will play small ball 5 at times and be surrounded by Curry/Mills/Durant/Kyrie at moments through a game.
Honestly, these are the lamest of arguments.First it's "If you disagree with me, you must not watch the NBA."Then it's "If you disagree with me, I can't help you."And now it's "Everyone agrees with me in my imaginary poll of every single person in the NBA, so I'm right."The equivalent of "because I said so."
1) Kyrie is not an elite shooter? Because his career 3P% is less than 40%?
2) Kyrie and Mills are no better than the guys he had around him shooting wise last year? Aka Harris and George Hill
While I respect stats, non-advanced stats, like 3P% don't exactly take situations, roster, and system into account and can be lacking.
Kyrie can’t be elite this year if he is only playing in 1/2 the games. Yeah, it’s a dumb bar argument, but it’s the truth.