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Title: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: MU Buff on March 31, 2015, 02:09:58 PM
Georgetown announces he will enter the NBA draft
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: pacearrow02 on March 31, 2015, 02:12:25 PM
I was just thinking about who the conference cannot afford to have make a dumb decision by leaving early unexpectedly.  DSR was on top of list, bad decision for him and bad for conference. 
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: geps on March 31, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
Interesting. Would say 2nd rounder though.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: pacearrow02 on March 31, 2015, 02:18:13 PM
I don't see there being a chance in hell he gets drafted.  Nice college player but like semaji christon last year he does not have the game for the league
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: wadesworld on March 31, 2015, 02:28:05 PM
Is there still a "test the waters" period?  I know it was significantly shortened but he could just be seeing where he stands.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Pakuni on March 31, 2015, 02:30:23 PM
I was just thinking about who the conference cannot afford to have make a dumb decision by leaving early unexpectedly.  DSR was on top of list, bad decision for him and bad for conference. 

Bad for Georgetown. Bad decision for him.
The conference will get over it. Not exactly a marquee player who casual viewers tune in to watch.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: LON on March 31, 2015, 02:33:35 PM
Is there still a "test the waters" period?  I know it was significantly shortened but he could just be seeing where he stands.

Press release says he's hiring an agent.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: pacearrow02 on March 31, 2015, 02:34:20 PM
I cannot name too many other players with a larger profile and are returning which is part of the problem facing the BE right now, IMO.  
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Wade for President on March 31, 2015, 02:47:56 PM
Vander must've been in his ear.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Eldon on March 31, 2015, 04:03:37 PM
That sucks.  I was super high on this kid his freshman year.  Anyway, I hope it works out for him.

I'm not a "recruiting guy" so does anyone know if there is a recruiting-based silver lining here?
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: brandx on March 31, 2015, 04:08:23 PM
I don't see there being a chance in hell he gets drafted.  Nice college player but like semaji christon last year he does not have the game for the league


And, like Semaji, not nearly as tall as he claims to be.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: THRILLHO on March 31, 2015, 04:15:01 PM
I say good call. He's the type of player who won't improve his draft stock enough to get guaranteed money with another year, everybody knows what he can do already. But if he could make 6 figures in Europe, why spend another year of his youth playing for free? Of course it is unfortunate if you get close to getting a really nice degree from Georgetown and have to leave, but he can always come back and finish later. A professional career can only last so long.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 31, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
I was just thinking about who the conference cannot afford to have make a dumb decision by leaving early unexpectedly.  DSR was on top of list, bad decision for him and bad for conference. 

I'm not privy to any confidential knowledge, but I do know that factors other than being assured of getting drafted can enter into this decision.  
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Pakuni on March 31, 2015, 04:24:11 PM
Does anyone believe it likely that an already 22-year-old guard (who will be 23 late this year), is going to significantly improve his draft stock by playing another year in college?
It may very well be that Smith-Rivera goes undrafted, but chances are he then would have gone undrafted next year, as well. He wasn't going to be getting any taller or more athletic. His "upside" wasn't going to improve.
Maybe he just figured getting paid to play basketball - even in the D-League or Europe - is a better deal for him than not getting paid to play basketball. And maybe he figured that playing 40-50 games against pros in the D-League or Europe and committing himself full time to the sport would better improve his NBA prospects than playing 30 games against younger players in college while having to attend class.

It's really not the worst decision in the world.
Guys like Vander Blue aren't outside the NBA because they left college too early. They're outside the NBA because they're not good enough (not yet, at least).
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: brewcity77 on March 31, 2015, 04:25:30 PM
He's a 23-year-old undersized shooting guard. He won't get younger or bigger...or most likely drafted. Probably NBADL or Europe bound. Too bad, probably would have been preseason POY for the league.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Shark on March 31, 2015, 04:25:58 PM
People are really downplaying how much weaker our conference is getting next year. MU has a chance to improve a lot and everyone other than Butler is getting worse or staying about the same.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: pacearrow02 on March 31, 2015, 05:12:18 PM
Does anyone believe it likely that an already 22-year-old guard (who will be 23 late this year), is going to significantly improve his draft stock by playing another year in college?
It may very well be that Smith-Rivera goes undrafted, but chances are he then would have gone undrafted next year, as well. He wasn't going to be getting any taller or more athletic. His "upside" wasn't going to improve.
Maybe he just figured getting paid to play basketball - even in the D-League or Europe - is a better deal for him than not getting paid to play basketball. And maybe he figured that playing 40-50 games against pros in the D-League or Europe and committing himself full time to the sport would better improve his NBA prospects than playing 30 games against younger players in college while having to attend class.

It's really not the worst decision in the world.
Guys like Vander Blue aren't outside the NBA because they left college too early. They're outside the NBA because they're not good enough (not yet, at least).

Obviously he thinks leaving is in his best interest, I'm just saying it hurts the "star power" of the BE which is undeniable.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Pakuni on March 31, 2015, 05:19:32 PM
Obviously he thinks leaving is in his best interest, I'm just saying it hurts the "star power" of the BE which is undeniable.

Sure, but star players leave every conference every year. New guys will arrive on the scene and become "stars." It's pretty much the nature of college sports, right.
And again, Smith-Rivera wasn't that big of a star. Kris Dunn's impending departure will hurt the league's star power much more.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: pacearrow02 on March 31, 2015, 05:26:52 PM
Sure, but star players leave every conference every year. New guys will arrive on the scene and become "stars." It's pretty much the nature of college sports, right.
And again, Smith-Rivera wasn't that big of a star. Kris Dunn's impending departure will hurt the league's star power much more.

The difference being that when other conferences stars leave early, they get drafted.  Ours seem to be headed to NBDL or over seas which makes their departures a little more head scratching.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Pakuni on March 31, 2015, 05:33:07 PM
The difference being that when other conferences stars leave early, they get drafted.  Ours seem to be headed to NBDL or over seas which makes their departures a little more head scratching.

Conference breakdown of the 11 early entries that went undrafted last year:
Big East - 1
ACC - 2
Pac 12 - 2
Mountain West - 3
WAC - 1
SEC - 1
Big 10 -1
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: warriorfan 14 on March 31, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
dumb move by rivera but georgetown still returns a lot of talent. had a lot of solid freshman contributors that should be much improved
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: THRILLHO on April 01, 2015, 09:45:45 AM
Obviously he thinks leaving is in his best interest, I'm just saying it hurts the "star power" of the BE which is undeniable.

Yes I agree, the Big East may not have as many returning "stars" next year. I am excited though that this year many teams had excellent freshmen that played extended minutes, and this year's class ain't bad either. Hopefully this means we can look forward to having next year's "breakout" star instead of its expected star.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 01, 2015, 09:50:47 AM
Yes I agree, the Big East may not have as many returning "stars" next year. I am excited though that this year many teams had excellent freshmen that played extended minutes, and this year's class ain't bad either. Hopefully this means we can look forward to having next year's "breakout" star instead of its expected star.

There's always RYAN ARCHIDIANGIASNDOQNFON:NO

But there are going to be some fun names in college to watch in the Big East like Jalen Brunson and Henry Ellenson coming in (along with the rest of the highly ranked class...which I imagine will be a big angle on us next year). Plus, some people are just going to step up when the year goes on with the other teams. It's the progression of things.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 02, 2015, 06:22:27 PM
dumb move by rivera but georgetown still returns a lot of talent. had a lot of solid freshman contributors that should be much improved

None of us is in a position to know that.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Pakuni on April 07, 2015, 05:46:00 PM
Apparently he's had a change of heart:

Brian Snow @BSnowScout
Scout.com has learned that D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera will return to Georgetown after initially declaring for the draft
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 07, 2015, 06:14:31 PM
Apparently he's had a change of heart:

Brian Snow @BSnowScout
Scout.com has learned that D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera will return to Georgetown after initially declaring for the draft

After taking a look at his pro prospects, maybe the advantage of finishing up his degree without taking a hiatus first won the day.  Good news for the Big East.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: Eldon on April 07, 2015, 08:28:14 PM
Apparently he's had a change of heart:

Brian Snow @BSnowScout
Scout.com has learned that D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera will return to Georgetown after initially declaring for the draft

Great news!!
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 07, 2015, 09:36:37 PM
Huge news for the Big East. Georgetown could be the early favorite to win the conference.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on April 07, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
Apparently he's had a change of heart:

Brian Snow @BSnowScout
Scout.com has learned that D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera will return to Georgetown after initially declaring for the draft

If only Vander has such maturity....
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: brewcity77 on April 07, 2015, 09:59:24 PM
If only Vander has such maturity....

I got the sense Vander had a lot of voices in his ear giving bad advice. Pretty sure he wasn't the only guy Buzz brought to Marquette that left prematurely because of bad advice. I hope most of those influences have been weeded out, but I'm not sure that's possible in college basketball anymore.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: JWags85 on April 07, 2015, 09:59:45 PM
If only Vander has such maturity....

 ::)

He's already had a 10-day and has established himself as one of the better players in the NBADL and is only 22.  Let it go
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: NBBomber on April 07, 2015, 10:12:53 PM
Oh, I guess he made a great decision then.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: JWags85 on April 07, 2015, 10:36:41 PM
Oh, I guess he made a great decision then.

Never said it was a great decision, but there is no need to keep harping on it.  He landed on his feet and isn't playing in Mongolia with no chance at seeing the NBA.
Title: Re: D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera
Post by: wadesworld on April 07, 2015, 10:42:46 PM
So make $30-50K and spend as much (or little) time as you want, whenever you want to, at perfecting your skill (basketball) or be forced to attend class, tutor sessions, and make nothing for it. Hmm. People who assume that HS he returned to MU for his senior season he would've been drafted are silly. Pay attention to how many seniors get drafted this year and even more attention to how many shooting guards that can't shoot get drafted this year. Newsflash: if he can't shoot while having unlimited time to practice that skill, he wasn't going to figure it out while practicing the skill only while not sitting in a classroom or tutor session. Oh yeah, and he'd be $40k? Behind where he'd be now.