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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 27, 2017, 11:36:08 AM
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http://fox13now.com/2017/06/26/thurl-bailey-jr-dishes-an-assist-at-washingtons-union-station/
Came across my twitter feed, thought I would share.
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http://fox13now.com/2017/06/26/thurl-bailey-jr-dishes-an-assist-at-washingtons-union-station/
Came across my twitter feed, thought I would share.
The author should probably update his article with the most accurate information. Bailey found a girl and married her on his mission and plans to follow in the footsteps of former Marquette basketball should've-been-star John "Magic" Dawson and play basketball at Liberty University in order to be close to his wife.
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A lot of Elders in that story.
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Looks straight out of The Book of Mormon stage play.
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I don't care if they're Mormon, Jew, Muslim, or atheist...I'm glad that Marquette recruits high quality people to represent the school on the big stage of college basketball. It doesn't hurt if they can hoop a little bit too
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I don't care if they're Mormon, Jew, Muslim, or atheist...I'm glad that Marquette recruits high quality people to represent the school on the big stage of college basketball. It doesn't hurt if they can hoop a little bit too
I'm sure TAMU got the original from the same place i did but just to go full circle.......Wojo agrees.....
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Steve Wojciechowski Retweeted FOX 13 News Utah
A terrific story on @brendanbailey35 whose outstanding talent on the floor is only exceeded by his character off it! Great job Brendan!
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Sincerely hope the money given isn't spent on drugs and alcohol.
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Sincerely hope the money given isn't spent on drugs and alcohol.
Worse, coffee.
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Sincerely hope the money given isn't spent on drugs and alcohol.
yeah, maybe Brendan should have drug tested him first
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We all have run into these scenerios. Depending on where you live, some more frequently than others. Personally, I very rarely give money. Rather, in a situation like Brendan's, I would have told the gentleman to wait right here while I go up to the cafeteria line and purchase something like a sandwich, chips, and a beverage and hand it to him. I have done this on several occasions. Unfortunately, some have refused the meal insisting they have food, but as one put it, need money to "wash my clothes."
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Looks straight out of The Book of Mormon stage play.
I couldn't help but chuckle at seeing the Elder mentions.
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Sincerely hope the money given isn't spent on drugs and alcohol.
While there are some people who panhandle to support an alcohol or drug habit, the vast majority don't. The most common thing panhandled money is used for is food. However, giving money directly to panhandlers is not the best way to help them as it only offers short term relief for immediate needs. Best option is to donate to various programs that help the homeless get off the street. Feed a man a fish and such.
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Nice story. His heart's in the right place — but I never give money to anyone on the street. According to the Milwaukee Police Dept. and the District Attorney's Office, 70% of panhandlers aren't homeless. The Milwaukee Common Council suggests that giving to charity makes more of a difference.
http://milwaukeenns.org/2016/07/29/city-takes-stance-against-panhandling-with-keep-the-change-initiative/ (http://milwaukeenns.org/2016/07/29/city-takes-stance-against-panhandling-with-keep-the-change-initiative/)
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"MU recruit gives to local Food Bank--after all it was the responsible thing to do."
I'm Guessing local Fox News wouldn't have jumped on that news story.
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That boy is not going to do ANYTHING for his neck size by eating crappy train station salads!
Todd Smith needs to stage an intervention!
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I couldn't help but chuckle at seeing the Elder mentions.
Shared a bus with a group of Mormon missionaries once. My buddy commented that it was weird they all had the same first name.....
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We all have run into these scenerios. Depending on where you live, some more frequently than others. Personally, I very rarely give money. Rather, in a situation like Brendan's, I would have told the gentleman to wait right here while I go up to the cafeteria line and purchase something like a sandwich, chips, and a beverage and hand it to him. I have done this on several occasions. Unfortunately, some have refused the meal insisting they have food, but as one put it, need money to "wash my clothes."
And what was your reason for not believing that person? Were you sure they didn't have food? Were you sure their clothes didn't need washing?
Sometimes our assumptions may not be correct.
Including mine about your assumptions.
To anticipate some reactions, I’m simply saying that we (and I am including myself) may make presumptions about the conditions and needs of people who are asking for our help. Our “guesses” as to what they need and/or what they might do with money we give them can demonstrate a degree of disrespect for that person. Why do we not take them at their word? How do we know what their real needs are? Why do we know better than they?
To complement an earlier comment, "Feed a man a fish and such,” I might say “walk a mile in his shoes and such”.
Both are useful sentiments.
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yeah, maybe Brendan should have drug tested him first
I guess some people think we need to put conditions on our charitable giving :-\
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And what was your reason for not believing that person? Were you sure they didn't have food? Were you sure their clothes didn't need washing?
Sometimes our assumptions may not be correct.
Including mine about your assumptions.
To anticipate some reactions, I’m simply saying that we (and I am including myself) may make presumptions about the conditions and needs of people who are asking for our help. Our “guesses” as to what they need and/or what they might do with money we give them can demonstrate a degree of disrespect for that person. Why do we not take them at their word? How do we know what their real needs are? Why do we know better than they?
To complement an earlier comment, "Feed a man a fish and such,” I might say “walk a mile in his shoes and such”.
Both are useful sentiments.
I was at the Port Authority Bus Station in Manhattan and a stranger asked me for money. I asked him what for? He said he wasted to wash his clothes that he had in a bag he was carrying. I proceeded out the door and turned and told him to follow. Just around the corner was a laudromat and I walked in ready to pay to have his laundry washed. He just kept on walking. Another time I was in the city I gave a waitress Fifty and told her to let the lady have what ever she wants and pack her a sandwich for later and whatever was left over she could keep as a tip. They both were grateful. I was not assuming anything in each instance. I just did not want my money going for no good.
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I give money to the charities and give money to panhandlers. I spend enough time running calls on the homeless that I am 100% aware of where the money might go to. There are several whom I run on so often that we know each other on a first name basis and I know their drink of choice. Meh. I am throwing a couple of shekels to one of God's children. What they do with it is between them and God.
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A couple of weeks ago I'm walking across the Wells Street bridge over the Milwaukee river. A clearly destitute dude in a wheelchair is rolling toward me.
"Sir, I peed myself and need bus fare to get home and change." I rarely pull out the wallet for panhandlers, but this fella either dropped a drink in his lap or did indeed pee his drawers. So I pull out my wallet and discover Mrs. Sir Lawrence must have taken a cash "loan" before I went to the office. All is left is an oddball two dollar bill that is a gag from a sheepshead game. I give it to him and he yells at me after I drop it in his lap "sir, bus fare is two and a quarter!"
All I could do was laugh. But was he steamed.
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Nice story. His heart's in the right place — but I never give money to anyone on the street. According to the Milwaukee Police Dept. and the District Attorney's Office, 70% of panhandlers aren't homeless. The Milwaukee Common Council suggests that giving to charity makes more of a difference.
http://milwaukeenns.org/2016/07/29/city-takes-stance-against-panhandling-with-keep-the-change-initiative/ (http://milwaukeenns.org/2016/07/29/city-takes-stance-against-panhandling-with-keep-the-change-initiative/)
Tons of legit reasons for not giving money to panhandlers and I know (and believe) them all. But I'm weak and a sucker - I give em money anyway.
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Some of y'all are so cynical. I agree with tower, if they use money they get from panhandling on the street for booze, that's there choice, I'm not bothered by that.
I'm mostly just surprised people still carry cash around. I haven't used anything but a debit card in at least a month.
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Some of y'all are so cynical. I agree with tower, if they use money they get from panhandling on the street for booze, that's there choice, I'm not bothered by that.
I'm mostly just surprised people still carry cash around. I haven't used anything but a debit card in at least a month.
Man o' man, come back in 'bout 15 years when you have some seasonin' in ya. Bet you'll sing a different toone, hey?
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Man o' man, come back in 'bout 15 years when you have some seasonin' in ya. Bet you'll sing a different toone, hey?
Probably not.
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Make millennials great again, ai na?
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Some of y'all are so cynical. I agree with tower, if they use money they get from panhandling on the street for booze, that's there choice, I'm not bothered by that.
I'm mostly just surprised people still carry cash around. I haven't used anything but a debit card in at least a month.
Been about 15 years since I've regularly carried cash on me. But it's ok, I hAve no doubt that panhandoers will soon be able to take debit and credit cards...
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I remember one dude in Mikwaukee who always claimed he ran out of gas and needed money. Used to see him when I'd go to my club or Third Ward. Must have had the worst luck ever, always running out of gas.
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Man o' man, come back in 'bout 15 years when you have some seasonin' in ya. Bet you'll sing a different toone, hey?
It has nothing to do with seasoning, and like tower, I've seen exactly what money can go for. If I give someone money, what they do with it is their choice.
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I'm mostly just surprised people still carry cash around. I haven't used anything but a debit card in at least a month.
OT, but is there any benefit to using a debit card? I have one because my bank sent me one, but I don't think I've used it even once. No rewards points. Am I missing something?
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OT, but is there any benefit to using a debit card? I have one because my bank sent me one, but I don't think I've used it even once. No rewards points. Am I missing something?
No penalty to get cash.
I'm mostly just surprised people still carry cash around. I haven't used anything but a debit card in at least a month.
What do you do at cash only bars?
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First of all, I tip my hat to young Bailey for helping another person.
I live in New Orleans for half the year. There is a large population of homeless, train jumpers, gutter punks and professional beggars.
There are good shelters that provide beds and food for them.
While we have compassion for the down on their luck homeless, we have no sympathy for the train hoppers and gutter punks, who choose not to work but live off of the tourists.
On a day in April we had lunch on a balcony over looking Jackson Square. We watched a young man set up a bucket and started tap dancing to music.
During the hour we watched tourists put in $70 + or - in his bucket. When he left, he lit a cigarette and pulled his smart phone out of his pocket and walked away.
Why work when you can make $70/hour begging?
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On a day in April we had lunch on a balcony over looking Jackson Square. We watched a young man set up a bucket and started tap dancing to music.
During the hour we watched tourists put in $70 + or - in his bucket. When he left, he lit a cigarette and pulled his smart phone out of his pocket and walked away.
Why work when you can make $70/hour begging?
So he performed for an audience for an hour and they paid him? Sounds like work to me!
Plus, it's cash, so none of those pesky taxes
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I never give cash to homeless or "homeless".
But occasionally I'll buy someone a meal so at least I know it's a good use of my money.
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On a day in April we had lunch on a balcony over looking Jackson Square. We watched a young man set up a bucket and started tap dancing to music.
During the hour we watched tourists put in $70 + or - in his bucket. When he left, he lit a cigarette and pulled his smart phone out of his pocket and walked away.
Why work when you can make $70/hour begging?
How do you think this is panhandling?? There are tons of street performers, with I'm sure NO being a prime spot. Can YOU tap dance for an hour?
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First of all, I tip my hat to young Bailey for helping another person.
I live in New Orleans for half the year. There is a large population of homeless, train jumpers, gutter punks and professional beggars.
There are good shelters that provide beds and food for them.
While we have compassion for the down on their luck homeless, we have no sympathy for the train hoppers and gutter punks, who choose not to work but live off of the tourists.
On a day in April we had lunch on a balcony over looking Jackson Square. We watched a young man set up a bucket and started tap dancing to music.
During the hour we watched tourists put in $70 + or - in his bucket. When he left, he lit a cigarette and pulled his smart phone out of his pocket and walked away.
Why work when you can make $70/hour begging?
For all we know he tap dances professionally on the side. If I were to take my bagpipes downtown and play for an hour I'm sure I could make some money (or get stuff thrown at me) would that be begging as well? It's likely a side gig to make a quick buck between shows/lessons or whatever
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Kind of reminds me of the day after our marriage in NO when we left the Hotel Monteleone looking for a caricature artist near Jackson Square and a damn sax player was on the sidewalk outside Café du Monde begging for $$$ and playing that annoying saxophone. I stood Scoop-strong and didn't give him a penny for drugs. He did thank us for the $10 and a latte though.
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Worse, coffee.
Oh, the Demon Latte!
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Imma just gonna cut to the chase on this one. All of you guys suck. S-U-C-K suck. The act is done, and Mr. Bailey won't be influenced by your words now or in the future. So what good
Want to discuss the merits of panhandling and the political metaphors? Take it to the Politics board. At least start a new thread... don't simply expect Rocky or Topper to clean up the mess you're making.
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How do you think this is panhandling?? There are tons of street performers, with I'm sure NO being a prime spot. Can YOU tap dance for an hour?
a guy I met staying at my hostel in Prague was making his away across Europe busking, using a marionette puppet and a boombox. He did it until he he made enough to more on to the next city. What the hell is wrong with that? He's earning the money by using his talents (and not taking them to South Beach). Man, people her have some huge sticks up their asses. ::)
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a guy I met staying at my hostel in Prague was making his away across Europe busking, using a marionette puppet and a boombox. He did it until he he made enough to more on to the next city. What the hell is wrong with that? He's earning the money by using his talents (and not taking them to South Beach). Man, people her have some huge sticks up their asses. ::)
Agree. Dude was performing, using a skill few possess, for an hour. Who would consider that begging?
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There are good shelters that provide beds and food for them.
I can't speak for New Orleans but I know in my city there are not nearly enough beds in the shelters. Many cities like San Francisco and Seattle also have populations of "working homeless" who have been priced out of housing (particularly in Seattle due to condo conversions which San Fran had to cap on an annual basis) and don't make enough to get a place to live where they can still get to and from work.
Sure, there are the "urban campers" but getting off the streets for the legit homeless is easier said than done.
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Agree. Dude was performing, using a skill few possess, for an hour. Who would consider that begging?
Agreed.
A friend of mine is the front man for a local band. They play coffee shops, wine bars, beer places, etc. They work for tips, have the tip jar sitting right out there.
I'm not sure what the difference is.
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First of all, I tip my hat to young Bailey for helping another person.
I live in New Orleans for half the year. There is a large population of homeless, train jumpers, gutter punks and professional beggars.
There are good shelters that provide beds and food for them.
I know here in MKE there are NOT enough shelters. They advertise "Just call 211" of you need shelter. I know some who have been down on their luck that had to call 211 and were told every time that there were no room/beds available. Not very helpful when it's 10 degrees outside.
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211 is a good resource, but it's very stressed. Understaffed, so when you call, expect very long wait times. They're good at what they do and can connect people with resources, but it's not a quick process.
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First of all, I tip my hat to young Bailey for helping another person.
I live in New Orleans for half the year. There is a large population of homeless, train jumpers, gutter punks and professional beggars.
There are good shelters that provide beds and food for them.
While we have compassion for the down on their luck homeless, we have no sympathy for the train hoppers and gutter punks, who choose not to work but live off of the tourists.
On a day in April we had lunch on a balcony over looking Jackson Square. We watched a young man set up a bucket and started tap dancing to music.
During the hour we watched tourists put in $70 + or - in his bucket. When he left, he lit a cigarette and pulled his smart phone out of his pocket and walked away.
Why work when you can make $70/hour begging?
Do you and the Orange Pig get together to decide what derogatory names you want to use for the day?
From now on, the only human whom I will associate with the term "gutter punk" is you.
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This thread has clearly gone off track.
But is the term gutter punk really offensive? Seems like that's more of a philosophical lifestyle choice to me.
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This thread has clearly gone off track.
But is the term gutter punk really offensive? Seems like that's more of a philosophical lifestyle choice to me.
As Stretch used it, it was clearly meant to be. Having spent a good portion of my life hanging out in the punk community, I don't personally find it offensive, but I think it's one of those terms where the usage is perceived differently based on who's using it.
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Does anyone know the typical schedule of a someone on a Mormon mission? Is playing basketball/training for an hour or two a day even possible? Just wondering if we should be expecting a 20y/old who's been working on his game for 2 years in private or a 20y/old who's going to need some time to shake the rust off to get back to a top 75 RSCI hs recruit level.
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This article (https://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2015/5/9/8564195/guide-what-athletes-do-on-lds-mormon-missions-trips-hint-not-professional-training-or-weightlifting) is the best thing I found on the subject. There is some time set aside for working out, but missionaries are on a fixed food income ($200/month) so it's tough to have a solid nutritional diet, and also tough to get much time for exercise. Remember, the missionary must also stay together with his partner, so if the partner doesn't want to get up at 5:30 to get an extra hour in at the gym, the athlete also isn't getting that time.
Some of the other stuff I read was sort of hit or miss. Some athletes feel it helps, mostly from a maturity standpoint. Others seem to feel it hinders development because there isn't time to stay in shape and it is pretty much a complete break in your athletic education.
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I really find much of this conversation kinda unfortunate.
Jesuit educated people are "Men and Women for Others." Mr. Bailey showed the best of what we are supposed to be about. If that's a typical Mormon, then maybe we Catholics need to learn something! I don't know whether he debated how the money would be used. Rather, I suspect he saw a person in need and did what he could at the time to help. That's called living the Gospels.
If you read the Gospels, Jesus wasn't educated at the Israelite version of Harvard, nor did he request a meeting with Pilate, Caesar or any other luminaries of his time. He hung out with the poor, the downtrodden and the folks society forgot. Yes, that's the prostitutes and tax collectors. I'm sure Jesus saw more than a few homeless in his day and if I had to guess, Jesus would have been far more likely to act like Mr. Bailey than any of the folks in this room who question how the homeless spend money.
Whether any of us gives or doesn't give to panhandlers is beside the point. We should congratulate Mr. Bailey on representing of the values we hold dear at Marquette. We should find a means in each our souls to emulate the overall love for a fellow person that Mr. Bailey showed.
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Yup.
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I'm mostly just surprised people still carry cash around. I haven't used anything but a debit card in at least a month.
Same. I almost never carry cash. And if I do, it's gone immediately.
It's an age thing.
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I really find much of this conversation kinda unfortunate.
Jesuit educated people are "Men and Women for Others." Mr. Bailey showed the best of what we are supposed to be about. If that's a typical Mormon, then maybe we Catholics need to learn something! I don't know whether he debated how the money would be used. Rather, I suspect he saw a person in need and did what he could at the time to help. That's called living the Gospels.
If you read the Gospels, Jesus wasn't educated at the Israelite version of Harvard, nor did he request a meeting with Pilate, Caesar or any other luminaries of his time. He hung out with the poor, the downtrodden and the folks society forgot. Yes, that's the prostitutes and tax collectors. I'm sure Jesus saw more than a few homeless in his day and if I had to guess, Jesus would have been far more likely to act like Mr. Bailey than any of the folks in this room who question how the homeless spend money.
Whether any of us gives or doesn't give to panhandlers is beside the point. We should congratulate Mr. Bailey on representing of the values we hold dear at Marquette. We should find a means in each our souls to emulate the overall love for a fellow person that Mr. Bailey showed.
The purpose of the nativity story is that he was born homeless
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OT, but is there any benefit to using a debit card? I have one because my bank sent me one, but I don't think I've used it even once. No rewards points. Am I missing something?
Most situations that require cash you can use a debit card, the ones you can't there is usually an ATM nearby. Cash gets stolen and it's gone. Debit card gets stolen, cancel it and get a new one.
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Most situations that require cash you can use a debit card, the ones you can't there is usually an ATM nearby. Cash gets stolen and it's gone. Debit card gets stolen, cancel it and get a new one.
Not all grocery stores accept credit cards.
Woodman's accepts debit cards but not credit cards. Aldi only started accepting credit cards in the last year or so.
You can also make cash withdrawals without a fee when you use a debit card at certain stores. A credit card would typically charge a fee/interest on cash advances.
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While car was being serviced ,the shuttle driver and several passengers and i discussed the panhandlets on every corner. The driver told us of a BMW he was washing after service and when he opened the trunk ther were dozens of the signs they use of every size and shape andcondition.
When in Portland once a homeless guy asled me for a meal to "sober him up".
I took him i to McDonalds and fed him .thought that was legit.
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I really find much of this conversation kinda unfortunate.
Jesuit educated people are "Men and Women for Others." Mr. Bailey showed the best of what we are supposed to be about. If that's a typical Mormon, then maybe we Catholics need to learn something! I don't know whether he debated how the money would be used. Rather, I suspect he saw a person in need and did what he could at the time to help. That's called living the Gospels.
If you read the Gospels, Jesus wasn't educated at the Israelite version of Harvard, nor did he request a meeting with Pilate, Caesar or any other luminaries of his time. He hung out with the poor, the downtrodden and the folks society forgot. Yes, that's the prostitutes and tax collectors. I'm sure Jesus saw more than a few homeless in his day and if I had to guess, Jesus would have been far more likely to act like Mr. Bailey than any of the folks in this room who question how the homeless spend money.
Whether any of us gives or doesn't give to panhandlers is beside the point. We should congratulate Mr. Bailey on representing of the values we hold dear at Marquette. We should find a means in each our souls to emulate the overall love for a fellow person that Mr. Bailey showed.
Likewise, and what does the current Pope have to say on the subject?
Two extremes, the Mormons and the Salvation Army, take your pick.
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Once gave a kid about early 30's on the side of the street with his dog a $20 spot cause I felt real bad.
Kid you not, next day dude rolls into the ER hammered drunk with same clothes on except with a brand spanking new Yankees hat on with the stickers and price tags still on it.
I got played hard I've changed to now making ziplock baggies with granola bar, 3 mints and a small bottled water in each. No more giving money for me.
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Agree. Dude was performing, using a skill few possess, for an hour. Who would consider that begging?
Actually, it was probably paid rehearsal. Why pay for rehearsal space when you can get rehearsal space that pays.
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Worse, coffee.
Even worse: glutens
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While there are some people who panhandle to support an alcohol or drug habit, the vast majority don't. The most common thing panhandled money is used for is food. However, giving money directly to panhandlers is not the best way to help them as it only offers short term relief for immediate needs. Best option is to donate to various programs that help the homeless get off the street. Feed a man a fish and such.
Not sure of your source but I am active in Congregations For the Homeless (CFH) which is an eastside Seattle program that not only feeds and shelters the homeless but provides a support system for getting people off of the streets and into employment and stable housing.
For every person we intake there are at least 10 who refuse the help. There is one reason for this refusal: they reject the requirement for personal responsibility. We prohibit alcohol, tobacco, and drugs and most of those who eschew our services have a problem with these restrictions. Sadly, the vast majority of those choosing to remain on the streets are unwilling to give up their heroin habit.
The vast majority of pan handlers have drug habits. This is not an opinion. I know this from working with CFH.
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Not sure of your source but I am active in Congregations For the Homeless (CFH) which is an eastside Seattle program that not only feeds and shelters the homeless but provides a support system for getting people off of the streets and into employment and stable housing.
For every person we intake there are at least 10 who refuse the help. There is one reason for this refusal: they reject the requirement for personal responsibility. We prohibit alcohol, tobacco, and drugs and most of those who eschew our services have a problem with these restrictions. Sadly, the vast majority of those choosing to remain on the streets are unwilling to give up their heroin habit.
The vast majority of pan handlers have drug habits. This is not an opinion. I know this from working with CFH.
It might not be an opinion, but its a very skewed result. Highest number I can remember seeing for % of homeless who abuse drugs is 26% and that was from a study in 2009. Most are lower. It seems your group works with an abnormal pocket of the population.
You also have your cause and effect backwards. Drug abuse very rarely leads to poverty. But poverty is a huge risk factor for drug abuse. I don't know your group but I would be willing to bet most of the drug abusers you encounter were in poverty long before they used drugs.
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Not sure of your source but I am active in Congregations For the Homeless (CFH) which is an eastside Seattle program that not only feeds and shelters the homeless but provides a support system for getting people off of the streets and into employment and stable housing.
For every person we intake there are at least 10 who refuse the help. There is one reason for this refusal: they reject the requirement for personal responsibility. We prohibit alcohol, tobacco, and drugs and most of those who eschew our services have a problem with these restrictions. Sadly, the vast majority of those choosing to remain on the streets are unwilling to give up their heroin habit.
The vast majority of pan handlers have drug habits. This is not an opinion. I know this from working with CFH.
40% to 50% per this website, including alcohol and drugs combined. You are doing God's work. Bless you.
https://www.drugrehab.com/addiction/homelessness/
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40% to 50% per this website, including alcohol and drugs combined. You are doing God's work. Bless you.
https://www.drugrehab.com/addiction/homelessness/
Which is still not a "vast majority" by any form of accounting. Based on my experiences, the 40% number seems about right, though I'd guess the majority of those are alcohol. Alcohol is far more prevalent among our homeless population here than drugs. The vast majority of drugs users I personally see have jobs and homes, and that includes heroin users. Of the 12 I've personally had in the past 5 work shifts (including today), 11 were employed and had homes.
This probably isn't necessarily the place for this discussion, but while heroin and other opiates are no doubt a problem of epidemic proportions, the homeless seem to abuse alcohol more frequently. I'm sure that ease of access helps that.
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40% to 50% per this website, including alcohol and drugs combined. You are doing God's work. Bless you.
https://www.drugrehab.com/addiction/homelessness/
Your link doesn't provide any support for their numbers. They through out claims that studies concluded those numbers, but do not provide a citation. Not a good source to support your assertion. But as Brewcity said, 40% seems reasonable when combining drugs and alcohol.
The more important statistic is that over 1/3 of all homeless people suffer from severe mental illness. Very often these people have no good avenue for treatment and resort to self medication. For homeless veterans this number can rise above 70%.
This shows the danger in pointing to drug/alcohol. The problem is mental illness and we do not like to talk about that problem in America.
If you want to better understand homelessness, buy a group of them a meal and sit and listen to their stories. It will change your perspective.
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The problem is mental illness and we do not like to talk about that problem in America.
Just like we don't like to talk about the actual root of the opiate epidemic. It's getting worse because doctors are prescribing more opiates. What starts as a simple percocet prescription becomes an addiction, and once the script runs out, the newly created addict must choose between withdrawals or finding another fix.
Illegal pills are expensive so many turn to heroin. It's often more potent and cheaper, but also more dangerous because you never really know what's in it. Our societal reaction is to blame the addicts. When they overdose, medical personnel give them Narcan, monitor them for a few hours, and cut them loose again.
None of this actually addresses the real problem. It doesn't stop the doctors from prescribing more opiates and creating more addicts and it doesn't get the addicts the help they need to get clean. It would be a massive financial cost to address the root of the problem, both by lessening the income for doctors and pharmaceutical companies that profit off the prescriptions and the treatment costs for addicts that would likely need at least weeks if not months of inpatient care to actually get clean, with continued follow-up once they complete rehab.
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Just like we don't like to talk about the actual root of the opiate epidemic. It's getting worse because doctors are prescribing more opiates. What starts as a simple percocet prescription becomes an addiction, and once the script runs out, the newly created addict must choose between withdrawals or finding another fix.
Illegal pills are expensive so many turn to heroin. It's often more potent and cheaper, but also more dangerous because you never really know what's in it. Our societal reaction is to blame the addicts. When they overdose, medical personnel give them Narcan, monitor them for a few hours, and cut them loose again.
None of this actually addresses the real problem. It doesn't stop the doctors from prescribing more opiates and creating more addicts and it doesn't get the addicts the help they need to get clean. It would be a massive financial cost to address the root of the problem, both by lessening the income for doctors and pharmaceutical companies that profit off the prescriptions and the treatment costs for addicts that would likely need at least weeks if not months of inpatient care to actually get clean, with continued follow-up once they complete rehab.
In the teams we were constantly battered and bruised. It would have been far too easy to hit the opiates as the aches, pains, and injuries were recurring and severe. And on an op there was no going to sick call. Instead, we gobbled Motrin (Ranger M&M's) by the handful.
As a group, JSOC/AFSOC guys tend to be smart and disciplined with an exceedingly high threshold for pain. But even that population can fall into the trap of opiate addiction.
Imagine the struggle for those without the specific training for dealing with pain and stress. Little wonder that people unaccustomed to chronic pain, typical suburban office workers, can find the lure of immediate relief irresistible. Add in the incremental weight of homelessness and it is easy to envision the downward spiral.
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In the teams we were constantly battered and bruised. It would have been far too easy to hit the opiates as the aches, pains, and injuries were recurring and severe. And on an op there was no going to sick call. Instead, we gobbled Motrin (Ranger M&M's) by the handful.
As a group, JSOC/AFSOC guys tend to be smart and disciplined with an exceedingly high threshold for pain. But even that population can fall into the trap of opiate addiction.
Imagine the struggle for those without the specific training for dealing with pain and stress. Little wonder that people unaccustomed to chronic pain, typical suburban office workers, can find the lure of immediate relief irresistible. Add in the incremental weight of homelessness and it is easy to envision the downward spiral.
Agreed on all counts, and there's no easy solutions. I expect it will get worse before it gets better.
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The purpose of the nativity story is that he was born homeless
The Nativity was chronicled by Luke but the imagery was actually invented by St Francis of Assisi.
The actual meaning of the nativity can be found in 1 Peter 1:3-4.
I find it interesting that the Nativity, a genuine expression of hope, love, and faith, is seen by many as an offensive symbol of prerogative and privilege.
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I haven't used anything but a debit card in at least a month.
Must seem odd stuffing debit cards in G-strings...
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It might not be an opinion, but its a very skewed result. Highest number I can remember seeing for % of homeless who abuse drugs is 26% and that was from a study in 2009. Most are lower. It seems your group works with an abnormal pocket of the population.
You also have your cause and effect backwards. Drug abuse very rarely leads to poverty. But poverty is a huge risk factor for drug abuse. I don't know your group but I would be willing to bet most of the drug abusers you encounter were in poverty long before they used drugs.
Not sure if the community I serve as a volunteer is skewed or not. Seattle, which because of its tolerance for the homeless, has a large population. It is also one that suffers from a very high percentage of substance abuse.
I have no idea of causality. My volunteer efforts specifically focus on working with veterans to help bring them the resources to which they are entitled.
I do not ever ask the how, when, or why. My efforts are aimed at education and facilitation. Everything else is parlor talk.
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Early in my career, I said some unflattering things about one of our 'frequent fliers'. I was brought up short by my officer who asked me if I knew why he never said anything negative about our homeless population. I didn't. He said that based on a tattoo on the homeless gentleman's arm, he was in Viet Nam about the same time as my officer. He said that he knew way too many of his former comrades in arms who had ended up homeless. And, but for the grace of God, that could be him. So, he would never criticize the homeless.
Having had my ass handed to me, I resolved to never judge, only to treat to the best of my ability, because unless I spent a lot of time with an individual, I was unlikely to know how they ended up where they did.
Opioids. They are a scourge. Like brewcity, I have been involved in several administrations of Narcan. It's funny. When a diabetic suffering low blood sugar who has been acting out has their sugar brought up to normal levels, they are normally apologetic. When an opioid user who has overdosed receives Narcan, it is my experience that they come out of it pissed off and wanting to fight. They nearly always vehemently deny using and some come around to admitting they were using and being mad at us for spoiling their buzz.
I don't know what the answer is. Since the beginning of time, humans have sought mind altering substances and better pain killers.
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Everything else is parlor talk.
My 91-year-old, Southside Chicago father-in-law calls a sofa a "parlor set," as in ... "Get dat dog offa da parlor set!"
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My 91-year-old, Southside Chicago father-in-law calls a sofa a "parlor set," as in ... "Get dat dog offa da parlor set!"
What do they call a sofa in Davenport?
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What do they call a sofa in Davenport?
As a former Quad Citian, they call it a sofa.
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As a former Quad Citian, they call it a sofa.
In Morgantown, they call it kindling.
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Brew and Tower make great points. The Opiate Epidemic is out of control. And it is solely on providers.
That said, the group i work with and for is discouraging the distribution of Opiates and I think the new DEA memo that went out about a year ago does a great job addressing the issue. Along with the new Wisconsin Prescribers Network where you can see every med a pt has been prescribed and how much.
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Sounds great, but it will never work. Providers aren't going to be the bad cop. Frankly, I prescribe what I know will be effective for the procedure concluded. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Sounds great, but it will never work. Providers aren't going to be the bad cop. Frankly, I prescribe what I know will be effective for the procedure concluded. Nothing more and nothing less.
AFSOC docs might dispense opiates for post-procedure care but typically did not. They almost never dispensed them for chronic pain as the likelihood of getting hooked was too great.
As I said, we ate Motrin like candy. Eschewing hard meds is almost a badge of honor for guys who live by the warrior ethos.
JSOC has an intense workout culture but also gathers around bottles at the end of the day (if not deployed.) Substance abuse takes many forms and it is easy to find solace in a bottle from the physical and emotional aches and pains we carried. If opiate abuse was not a problem alcohol most certainly was.
Back in the day, MU had an intense drinking culture that started on Day One of Freshmen Orientation. Milwaukee was then an epicenter of beer production and Block Party set up was essentially trucks filled with kegs from Pabst, Schlitz, and Miller rolling up.
I saw several good guys drink themselves out of school. By the end of the very first semester at least 6 guys from McCormick 8 were gone.
Let's face it - Milwaukee in the dead of winter had little to offer kids on a budget besides drinking. I wonder how many people cultivated long-term problems from their days at Marquette.
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This isn't an exclusively MU issue.
With that said, I watched a guy do that sophomore year. He ended up running away, and of all things, joined the military. His wealthy father had to hire a PI to find him. Came from an extremely prominent Wisconsin family too.
We also had an ND transfer move across the hallway sophomore year. His father had a building named after him at ND...that kind of prominent. Dude took one of the bathroom mirrors from 10S to do lines in his room. He didn't last too long either. He probably transferred to Iowa State after that.
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AFSOC docs might dispense opiates for post-procedure care but typically did not. They almost never dispensed them for chronic pain as the likelihood of getting hooked was too great.
As I said, we ate Motrin like candy. Eschewing hard meds is almost a badge of honor for guys who live by the warrior ethos.
JSOC has an intense workout culture but also gathers around bottles at the end of the day (if not deployed.) Substance abuse takes many forms and it is easy to find solace in a bottle from the physical and emotional aches and pains we carried. If opiate abuse was not a problem alcohol most certainly was.
Back in the day, MU had an intense drinking culture that started on Day One of Freshmen Orientation. Milwaukee was then an epicenter of beer production and Block Party set up was essentially trucks filled with kegs from Pabst, Schlitz, and Miller rolling up.
I saw several good guys drink themselves out of school. By the end of the very first semester at least 6 guys from McCormick 8 were gone.
Let's face it - Milwaukee in the dead of winter had little to offer kids on a budget besides drinking. I wonder how many people cultivated long-term problems from their days at Marquette.
Drinking right now
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Mamajuana bro
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TAMU, how many in the hopper? Triplets????
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TAMU, how many in the hopper? Triplets????
Been less than a month Chili man. I don't think Mrs. TAMU could even know at this point!
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TAMU, how many in the hopper? Triplets????
I'm sure the TAMUs already have chosen names: MU82 (after me), MU83 (after my wife) and MU#1 (just because)!
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Back in the day, MU had an intense drinking culture that started on Day One of Freshmen Orientation. Milwaukee was then an epicenter of beer production and Block Party set up was essentially trucks filled with kegs from Pabst, Schlitz, and Miller rolling up.
I saw several good guys drink themselves out of school. By the end of the very first semester at least 6 guys from McCormick 8 were gone.
Let's face it - Milwaukee in the dead of winter had little to offer kids on a budget besides drinking. I wonder how many people cultivated long-term problems from their days at Marquette.
Boy you got that one right. The only thing in the dead of Milwaukee winters was MU basketball and beer.
All the things you discussed, I can vouch to as well. The problem was and is you have kids on their own for the first time in their lives. Up until now, many were sheltered and Mommy or Daddy made all their decisions. There are tempted for the first times and they have not cultivated an ability to say no.
The sad thing about raising the drinking age to 21 was that you moved it from the bars, where there was some control to houses and private parties, where there is virtually no control, no licensing and no bartenders taught to control excessive drinking. I understand there is as much drinking as there ever was on campus when the age was 21. It's just far more underground now.
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I will jump in to the opiate discussion to campaign for Physical Therapy. Our hope is that by getting patients to Physical Therapy quickly, we can reduce the amount of opiate prescriptions. In Wisconsin (and many other states), you can see a PT without a prescription (except if Medicare is your primary insurance).
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In Morgantown, they call it kindling.
I thought it was a lawn ornament.
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The sad thing about raising the drinking age to 21 was that you moved it from the bars, where there was some control to houses and private parties, where there is virtually no control, no licensing and no bartenders taught to control excessive drinking. I understand there is as much drinking as there ever was on campus when the age was 21. It's just far more underground now.
Fun fact: A 21 year-old drinking age benefits beer companies. Or at least it used to before college kids were simply given a credit card that mommy and daddy paid off every month.... consider that college students' capacity for alcohol consumption was more often defined by $ rather than quantity. For example if Johnny has $20 to spend on beer for the weekend, he is going to spend every cent of that $20.
If Johnny spends $20 at the bar, let's assume he would get 8 beers; however, if he instead spent that $20 at the liquor store instead, he gets 24 instead.
Here's the key... the bars and liquor stores have the same distributor and what is paid to the distributor is the same whether you are a bar or a liquor store (rarely are there any "bulk" discounts, and if there are, it's minimal, like a few cents a can/bottle). So the beer company's revenue is the same per bottle/can no matter where the consumer purchases it... so a beer company makes more money when the $20 is spent at the liquor store (on 24 beers) rather than at the bar (on 8).
Now ask anyone you know, and they will tell you that drinking at a bar is almost universally more preferable than drinking in a dorm room to a college-aged student... so given the choice, and a fixed amount of cash, less of Johnny's $20 will end up with the beer company. But because drinking anywhere is more preferable than not drinking at all, if there was an external influence behind Johnny drinking in his dorm - say some minimum drinking age that precludes him from his first preference - then the beer companies will end up with more of Johnny's $20.
Next time you see a beer company's "21 means 21" advertisement, you'll know what their true motivation is.
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Fun fact: A 21 year-old drinking age benefits beer companies. Or at least it used to before college kids were simply given a credit card that mommy and daddy paid off every month.... consider that college students' capacity for alcohol consumption was more often defined by $ rather than quantity. For example if Johnny has $20 to spend on beer for the weekend, he is going to spend every cent of that $20.
If Johnny spends $20 at the bar, let's assume he would get 8 beers; however, if he instead spent that $20 at the liquor store instead, he gets 24 instead.
Here's the key... the bars and liquor stores have the same distributor and what is paid to the distributor is the same whether you are a bar or a liquor store (rarely are there any "bulk" discounts, and if there are, it's minimal, like a few cents a can/bottle). So the beer company's revenue is the same per bottle/can no matter where the consumer purchases it... so a beer company makes more money when the $20 is spent at the liquor store (on 24 beers) rather than at the bar (on 8).
Now ask anyone you know, and they will tell you that drinking at a bar is almost universally more preferable than drinking in a dorm room to a college-aged student... so given the choice, and a fixed amount of cash, less of Johnny's $20 will end up with the beer company. But because drinking anywhere is more preferable than not drinking at all, if there was an external influence behind Johnny drinking in his dorm - say some minimum drinking age that precludes him from his first preference - then the beer companies will end up with more of Johnny's $20.
Next time you see a beer company's "21 means 21" advertisement, you'll know what their true motivation is.
Interesting theory. I think demand is a little higher at a bar versus elsewhere, so Johnny may be willing to drop $20 at a bar while $15 at a party/liquor store. But even with that difference the number of units sold would still probably be higher at the party/liquor store versus the bar.
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Interesting theory. I think demand is a little higher at a bar versus elsewhere, so Johnny may be willing to drop $20 at a bar while $15 at a party/liquor store. But even with that difference the number of units sold would still probably be higher at the party/liquor store versus the bar.
Yeah, too many variables to make this theory right. What Benny is forgetting to take into account is the COGs impact on this. The most profitable beer for beer companies are ones that have high margins (think most of your craft, FMBs, above premiums), obviously. Now they want to push that in something with the lowest amount of COGS (kegs are 1/3 the cost of cans and 1/4 that of bottles). This is why you will see all the sales people fighting for draft handles, that is where they really can make their largest amount of profit by pushing volume through on-premise draft sales.
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Fun fact: A 21 year-old drinking age benefits beer companies. Or at least it used to before college kids were simply given a credit card that mommy and daddy paid off every month.... consider that college students' capacity for alcohol consumption was more often defined by $ rather than quantity. For example if Johnny has $20 to spend on beer for the weekend, he is going to spend every cent of that $20.
If Johnny spends $20 at the bar, let's assume he would get 8 beers; however, if he instead spent that $20 at the liquor store instead, he gets 24 instead.
Here's the key... the bars and liquor stores have the same distributor and what is paid to the distributor is the same whether you are a bar or a liquor store (rarely are there any "bulk" discounts, and if there are, it's minimal, like a few cents a can/bottle). So the beer company's revenue is the same per bottle/can no matter where the consumer purchases it... so a beer company makes more money when the $20 is spent at the liquor store (on 24 beers) rather than at the bar (on 8).
Now ask anyone you know, and they will tell you that drinking at a bar is almost universally more preferable than drinking in a dorm room to a college-aged student... so given the choice, and a fixed amount of cash, less of Johnny's $20 will end up with the beer company. But because drinking anywhere is more preferable than not drinking at all, if there was an external influence behind Johnny drinking in his dorm - say some minimum drinking age that precludes him from his first preference - then the beer companies will end up with more of Johnny's $20.
Next time you see a beer company's "21 means 21" advertisement, you'll know what their true motivation is.
As I recall while I was at MU the beer co's lobbied against increasing drinking age. Wasn't Wisconsin last state to increase drinking age? Still 18 down here, rum companies always lobby against increasing age.
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Yeah, too many variables to make this theory right. What Benny is forgetting to take into account is the COGs impact on this. The most profitable beer for beer companies are ones that have high margins (think most of your craft, FMBs, above premiums), obviously. Now they want to push that in something with the lowest amount of COGS (kegs are 1/3 the cost of cans and 1/4 that of bottles). This is why you will see all the sales people fighting for draft handles, that is where they really can make their largest amount of profit by pushing volume through on-premise draft sales.
Sure there are other variables... for one is the MLDA-21's effect on depressed demand amongst underage college students; however, any research on the subject will show that those people who abstained or mostly abstained from alcohol before the age of 21 weren't exactly binging and tearing it up every weekend at the bars once they turned 21.
Also MLDA-18 was a different animal than MLDA-21... under MLDA-18, the vast majority of people increased overall alcohol consumption after becoming legal at 18. After MLDA-21 was introduced, the inflection point of overall alcohol consumption remained at 18 and while overall consumption did see a slight bump at 21, it was on the back of liquor consumption... beer consumption actually fell from the ages of 18-20 to 21-23, arguably because college students are more likely to order a mixed drink (in lieu of beer) at a bar whereas their earlier (underage) off-premise consumption was almost exclusively beer.
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Sure there are other variables... for one is the MLDA-21's effect on depressed demand amongst underage college students; however, any research on the subject will show that those people who abstained or mostly abstained from alcohol before the age of 21 weren't exactly binging and tearing it up every weekend at the bars once they turned 21.
Also MLDA-18 was a different animal than MLDA-21... under MLDA-18, the vast majority of people increased overall alcohol consumption after becoming legal at 18. After MLDA-21 was introduced, the inflection point of overall alcohol consumption remained at 18 and while overall consumption did see a slight bump at 21, it was on the back of liquor consumption... beer consumption actually fell from the ages of 18-20 to 21-23, arguably because college students are more likely to order a mixed drink (in lieu of beer) at a bar whereas their earlier (underage) off-premise consumption was almost exclusively beer.
The only thing I disagree with in your statement is the assumption you make that if you are buying cans/bottles at a store you will also be buying cans/bottles at the bar. All the data shows that if you are going to the bar you will be buying draft and specifically premium lights (Miller Lite, Coors Light, Bud Light). Also, if you were like everybody I knew in college you were buying the economy stuff at the stores and not the "expensive" premium lights. So the law reduced the overall consumer base, and also generally pushed people from buying a higher margin liquid in the least expensive package (keg) to a low margin beer in a more expensive package (cans and even worse bottles). This is why all the beer companies lobbied against the age increase.