Why Matt Heldt Will Be Great!

[GGGG]

If this is your point then why is the thread titled "Why Matt Heldt Will Be Great"? If this is the point you were trying to make a more appropriate title would be "Why Matt Heldt isn't necessarily bad" or "Why Matt Heldt could get better" or even "Why Matt Heldt could be great". I think this is where the issue lies

Heisenberg does this all the time.  He makes declarative statements, that I don't even think he believes sometimes, simply to stir things up.  He is right that it is too early to tell but you are correct that this is not what the subject line said.

[Tugg Speedman]

Heisenberg does this all the time.  He makes declarative statements, that I don't even think he believes sometimes, simply to stir things up. He is right that it is too early to tell but you are correct that this is not what the subject line said.

Correct!

[GGGG]

Well then you can't really bitch at people for "just wanting to fight" when you don't really believe what you are saying anyways.

[Tugg Speedman]

Well then you can't really bitch at people for "just wanting to fight" when you don't really believe what you are saying anyways.

Then did not read what I said, only reacted to the headline

[bilsu]

He has good hands, which is what gives him the ability to become a very good player. He does need to learn to relax when he comes in a game. That comes with playing time. Unless he can develop the skills to play the 4, he will never make the pros like Kaminsky has. He is small for a college center, because he is not a leaper.

[brewcity77]

Then did not read what I said, only reacted to the headline

But you wrote said headline, and if your intent was to say "We just don't know and no one can make any projections about him for at least a year" which was also in your OP, you didn't just bury the lead, you completely misrepresented it.

Kind of disingenuous to get upset at people for reading the title, which by definition should be a brief synopsis of the text that will follow, and responding in a negative way when you don't even believe the title in the first place and are making a statement you have no intention of supporting.

[Dawson Rental]

Wow you guys really just want to fight. Not read and contribute, just fight.

Ok here are the cliff notes version for the reading impaired ...

We have a three-star center that started slow.  And I read this ...

So I pointed out another tall three-star center that started slow the first six games, who played 38 minutes, his Freshman year.  That experienced told you nothing about what he became.  He did improve a lot over the net 3 1/2 years.  Actually he did something never seen before in college basketball history.

So instead of fighting with me, how about taking comments like those above to task.

That is too hard.  It is far easier to ANALYZE what I wrote to death with the expressed purpose of starting a fight.  Because that is what we do here, disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

[Nukem2]

He has good hands, which is what gives him the ability to become a very good player. He does need to learn to relax when he comes in a game. That comes with playing time. Unless he can develop the skills to play the 4, he will never make the pros like Kaminsky has. He is small for a college center, because he is not a leaper.

Yes, he does have good hands and he can shoot the face up shot (though we have yet to see it).  Right now he does not relax because he is thinking way too much as you can literally see him looking to where he should go.  Yes, height will be his drawback in terms of the NBA.  But, he can be a very nice collegiate center with experience.  Too bad MU is not really in a situation for him to have red-shirted this season.

[BubbaWilliams]

If Heldt turns out to be Chris Grimm 2.0 I'll be ok with that. I know he has some potential, but I also know not everyone realizes that potential.

[GOO]

Yes, he does have good hands and he can shoot the face up shot (though we have yet to see it).  Right now he does not relax because he is thinking way too much as you can literally see him looking to where he should go.  Yes, height will be his drawback in terms of the NBA.  But, he can be a very nice collegiate center with experience.  Too bad MU is not really in a situation for him to have red-shirted this season.

We should always have a project big on the roster.  Maybe two spaced two years apart.  How many times have we faced mid-majors with solid big men who are juniors and seniors who could have helped us...?  Gone should be the days of starting 6'6" guys at center who can't even shoot a jumper.  Or 6'9" guys who can't shoot outside of 3 feet and who's defenders clog the lane.   You can't teach big as we all know.

For big men, the first question I have is about the Hands. You can't teach soft hands. Heldt has soft hands.  The next question is how they move their feet.  Not technique as that is teachable  Heldt is mid grade here and a bit of a concern.  But he can improve.  If nothing else, he will be able to draw an opposing big outside the paint on offense, and he will be able to defend and bang underneath.  He will be a large man by junior year.. he has the build for it and he has a great big man coach in Wojo.  He will contribute at MU as long as he sticks it out for a couple of years. 

He is the perfect type of guy to have on the roster, a real big with hands and can shoot it.  He will probably take two years, but will help this team in the future.  He has good hands and he can actually shoot the ball, which until Wojo came was pretty much unheard of for MU bigs in recent times.
So having a real big even one who is a bit of a project is perfect by me. Keep them coming every couple of years.

[forgetful]

Wow you guys really just want to fight. Not read and contribute, just fight.

Ok here are the cliff notes version for the reading impaired ...

We have a three-star center that started slow.  And I read this ...

So I pointed out another tall three-star center that started slow the first six games, who played 38 minutes, his Freshman year.  That experienced told you nothing about what he became.  He did improve a lot over the net 3 1/2 years.  Actually he did something never seen before in college basketball history.

So instead of fighting with me, how about taking comments like those above to task.

That is too hard.  It is far easier to ANALYZE what I wrote to death with the expressed purpose of starting a fight.  Because that is what we do here, disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

You have fallen victim to literal reading disease.  I understood what you meant fine and agree with you.  Often we use declarative statements for emphasis not meant to be taken literally (as you did); I understand this and read it as meant.  I've learned though that often people will take things absolutely literally and the response is to generally ridicule on message boards (no idea why or if the people doing it even mean any hostility).

[g0lden3agle]

You have fallen victim to literal reading disease.  I understood what you meant fine and agree with you.  Often we use declarative statements for emphasis not meant to be taken literally (as you did); I understand this and read it as meant.  I've learned though that often people will take things absolutely literally and the response is to generally ridicule on message boards (no idea why or if the people doing it even mean any hostility).

This.  People can't seem to grasp that the title of this thread was tongue in cheek.  I have a feeling whether or not you read the politics board may impact your ability to see a thread by Heisenberg and see it as tongue in cheek and not crazy talk.

[bilsu]

Yes, he does have good hands and he can shoot the face up shot (though we have yet to see it).  Right now he does not relax because he is thinking way too much as you can literally see him looking to where he should go.  Yes, height will be his drawback in terms of the NBA.  But, he can be a very nice collegiate center with experience.  Too bad MU is not really in a situation for him to have red-shirted this season.

I think we were in the situation to redshirt him. I do not think this year that he will be the diffenece between us winning or losing a game. You could always pull the redshirt, if Fischer or Ellenson got hurt.

[Tugg Speedman]

This.  People can't seem to grasp that the title of this thread was tongue in cheek.  I have a feeling whether or not you read the politics board may impact your ability to see a thread by Heisenberg and see it as tongue in cheek and not crazy talk.

I think those that are regulars on the politics board can compartmentalize.  What opinions offered there stay there.  The basketball opinions here are taking based on the BASKETBALL opinion of the poster, not the POLITICAL opinion of the poster.

[RushmoreAcademy]

I think his perceived success will be a result of how well our young guards develop. If Traci and Cheatham are tearing things up then it will be a different game for Matt.

[GOO]

I think his perceived success will be a result of how well our young guards develop. If Traci and Cheatham are tearing things up then it will be a different game for Matt.

But it is a lot easier for guards to tear it up if they have a big that can draw out a defender, and have someone with decent hands to dump it off to or kick it out to.

[Nukem2]

I think we were in the situation to redshirt him. I do not think this year that he will be the diffenece between us winning or losing a game. You could always pull the redshirt, if Fischer or Ellenson got hurt.

Disagree.  MU would have a short roster without him and no help if Luke and Henry are in foul trouble or hurt in game.