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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: JoeSmith1721 on October 27, 2013, 03:42:38 PM
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I couldn't find a music thread in the Superbar to put this in, but anyway, in case any of you didn't see, Lou Reed passed away tonight. Dude had such an enormous influence on music and was part of one of the greatest bands of all time IMO.
RIP to a legend.
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A genuine innovator. His work with J.J. Cale in Velvet Underground is still relevant today. I think Transformer stands as his most celebrated work but Berlin is probably his most definitive statement. He was one of a kind.
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A genuine innovator. His work with J.J. Cale in Velvet Underground is still relevant today. I think Transformer stands as his most celebrated work but Berlin is probably his most definitive statement. He was one of a kind.
John Cale, not JJ Cale.
I'm completely obsessed with Transformer, I love that album. Mick Ronson, David Bowie and Lou Reed was quite a crew.
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John Cale, not JJ Cale.
I'm completely obsessed with Transformer, I love that album. Mick Ronson, David Bowie and Lou Reed was quite a crew.
Brain fart on my part. Although it is amusing to think of JJ Cale playing Heroin in a Soho punk club. Or Lou Reed playing Hank Williams in an Oklahoma Road House.
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My favorite song of his was "Dirty Boulevard." True iconoclast and visionary musician.
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Huge loss, I loved Lou Reed. Listened to one of his compilations while I was writing my independent study screenplay at Marquette. Brilliant musician who, along with quite a few cigarettes and bottles of booze, got me through a ton of long, lonely nights.
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Walk on the wild side. Who does music like that today? Miley? Gaga?
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Walk on the wild side. Who does music like that today? Miley? Gaga?
The music has died, my friend
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I had just listened to the VU: Peel Slowly and See boxset last week before reading the sad news Sunday, coincidence?
Great poet, not many of those left it seems.
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http://youtu.be/HcNzU1u2QZc (http://youtu.be/HcNzU1u2QZc)
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I had just listened to the VU: Peel Slowly and See boxset last week before reading the sad news Sunday, coincidence?
Great poet, not many of those left it seems.
Reed's passing made me think of another great Rock Poet whose art was inspired by John Cale, Patti Smith. Her collaborations with Lenny Kaye and Fred Sonic Smith were seminal. Smith was a fixture at Max's Kansas City and was deeply influenced by the Beat poets and Arthur Rimbaud. Many consider Easter her best work but I personally think Radio Ethiopia most genuinely reflects her angst, rage, and fervent hope for some sort of redemption. She and Cale had a tempestuous relationship but both were the better for their collaboration.
Patti Smith was married to Fred Sonic Smith, an originator of the Detroit sound and one of rock's greatest guitarists. Fred Sonic Smith was a founder of the Motor City 5/MC5, which was inspired by White Panther Party founder John Sinclair. Sinclair's platform called for, "Revolution, Dope, and F#cking in the Streets!" He was a leading voice in Ann Arbor's Free Speech Movement.
The MC5 were cited by Spiro Agnew in testimony before the Senate as the leaders of a "Communist conspiracy to corrupt the youth of America." Malcolm Russell wrote of MC5 in his Rough Guide to Rock,
"MC5's incredible live album, Kick Out The Jams , captured the band at their most powerful and confrontational. Recorded on their home turf, the album kicked off with a radical rap from Brother J. C. Crawford and then exploded into some of the most demented high-octane rock'n'roll ever made. Also included was an example of the band's wrecking crew approach to rock/free-jazz fusion, a razed, white noise version of Sun Ra's Starship. MC5 defined music for two generations yet remains largely forgotten. Without MC5 there is no Punk, Wave, or Rap."
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Walk on the wild side. Who does music like that today? Miley? Gaga?
You're looking in the wrong places. There's a lot of good stuff out there, you just have to find it.
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You're looking in the wrong places. There's a lot of good stuff out there, you just have to find it.
Agreed - you just have to look
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Reed's passing made me think of another great Rock Poet whose art was inspired by John Cale, Patti Smith. Her collaborations with Lenny Kaye and Fred Sonic Smith were seminal. Smith was a fixture at Max's Kansas City and was deeply influenced by the Beat poets and Arthur Rimbaud. Many consider Easter her best work but I personally think Radio Ethiopia most genuinely reflects her angst, rage, and fervent hope for some sort of redemption. She and Cale had a tempestuous relationship but both were the better for their collaboration.
Patti Smith was married to Fred Sonic Smith, an originator of the Detroit sound and one of rock's greatest guitarists. Fred Sonic Smith was a founder of the Motor City 5/MC5, which was inspired by White Panther Party founder John Sinclair. Sinclair's platform called for, "Revolution, Dope, and F#cking in the Streets!" He was a leading voice in Ann Arbor's Free Speech Movement.
The MC5 were cited by Spiro Agnew in testimony before the Senate as the leaders of a "Communist conspiracy to corrupt the youth of America." Malcolm Russell wrote of MC5 in his Rough Guide to Rock,
"MC5's incredible live album, Kick Out The Jams , captured the band at their most powerful and confrontational. Recorded on their home turf, the album kicked off with a radical rap from Brother J. C. Crawford and then exploded into some of the most demented high-octane rock'n'roll ever made. Also included was an example of the band's wrecking crew approach to rock/free-jazz fusion, a razed, white noise version of Sun Ra's Starship. MC5 defined music for two generations yet remains largely forgotten. Without MC5 there is no Punk, Wave, or Rap."
If you get a chance, check out the book Just Kids by Patti - mainly about her longtime friendship with Robert Mapplethorpe.
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You're looking in the wrong places. There's a lot of good stuff out there, you just have to find it.
Yep. Step #1 = ignore 99% of what's on the radio
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Yep. Step #1 = ignore 99% of what's on the radio
I guess I meant closer to 100%
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I guess I meant closer to 100%
Haha yeah I know what you're saying, but every once in a while something decent falls through the cracks and makes it to the airwaves
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If you're in Milwaukee 88.9 always has good stuff on. Sometimes a little too out there but still great and for Chicago 93.1 XRT has always been a go to, but all in all the radio is just a complete disaster.
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If you get a chance, check out the book Just Kids by Patti - mainly about her longtime friendship with Robert Mapplethorpe.
Will do. If I recall she and Mapplethorpe were lovers. I know he did her album cover art. She is one of the most enigmatic artists. She was actually asked to sing lead for Blue Oyster Cult but viewed them as too milquetoast for the message she wanted to send.
John Cale played a pivotal role in her emergence as a leading voice in punk then wave. It is interesting to trace Cale's influence in the lineage from MC5 to the Underground to Iggy Stardust to Talking Heads to Bob Marley. Cale and the CBGB gave rise to such bands as The Ramones, Mink DeVille, Blondie, New York Dolls, etc... It was an interesting time for music.
If you want an interesting read on rock do give Malcolm Russell's Rough Guide to Rock a read. He chronicles that era rather well and connects the dots on just how incestuous the punk and wave scenes were.
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If you want to see more about the NY scene esp. CBGB watch the dockumentary on Showtime about Bob Gruen's photography, covers plenty on CBGB including Smith, Television, Ramones, Blondie etc. after the huge section about his relationships with John & Yoko
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Will do. If I recall she and Mapplethorpe were lovers. I know he did her album cover art. She is one of the most enigmatic artists. She was actually asked to sing lead for Blue Oyster Cult but viewed them as too milquetoast for the message she wanted to send.
John Cale played a pivotal role in her emergence as a leading voice in punk then wave. It is interesting to trace Cale's influence in the lineage from MC5 to the Underground to Iggy Stardust to Talking Heads to Bob Marley. Cale and the CBGB gave rise to such bands as The Ramones, Mink DeVille, Blondie, New York Dolls, etc... It was an interesting time for music.
If you want an interesting read on rock do give Malcolm Russell's Rough Guide to Rock a read. He chronicles that era rather well and connects the dots on just how incestuous the punk and wave scenes were.
Kick Out the Jams from MC5 was one of the albums I wore out when I really got into music. Their next album was terrible, I thought. Sounded like a studio exec's version of themselves.
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Kick Out the Jams from MC5 was one of the albums I wore out when I really got into music. Their next album was terrible, I thought. Sounded like a studio exec's version of themselves.
No question that Kick was their definitive statement. Anyone who has not listened to it really needs to. It helped frame a generation's conversation.
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If you're in Milwaukee 88.9 always has good stuff on. Sometimes a little too out there but still great and for Chicago 93.1 XRT has always been a go to, but all in all the radio is just a complete disaster.
Every now and then 102.1 has decent stuff, usually early weekend mornings or overnights. But the longer that station goes, the more it has drifted over to mainstream. 91.7 is also worth a listen sometimes, but you definitely have to figure out the schedule in terms of finding what you like. Sometimes you'll find gold, other times your ears will bleed (and not in the good way).
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No question that Kick was their definitive statement. Anyone who has not listened to it really needs to. It helped frame a generation's conversation.
Kick out the jams brothers and sisters!!
That's all I remember. Damn you are old.
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Kick out the jams brothers and sisters!!
That's all I remember. Damn you are old.
Everything still functions at a high RPM!
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The MC5 were cited by Spiro Agnew in testimony before the Senate as the leaders of a "Communist conspiracy to corrupt the youth of America." Malcolm Russell wrote of MC5 in his Rough Guide to Rock,
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Politicians obstructing music and free speech are the worst *cough* Al Gore *cough*
Unbeknownst to Lou Reed (at the time), He was acting as a catalyst to end Communist rule in Czechoslovakia
http://www.businessinsider.com/lou-reed-and-vaclav-havel-vs-communism-2013-10 (http://www.businessinsider.com/lou-reed-and-vaclav-havel-vs-communism-2013-10)
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Freezer, a concert taper that was a legend in the taping community had this story of his experience taping a LR show in Chalmette, LA on 11/08/1974
On November 8, 1974 St Bernard Civic Auditorium was the site of a show featuring German prog-rock band Triumvirat. (offered at TTD earlier this year from the master recording). Triumvirat was recorded from the safety of the first row of the balcony with the stereo (binaural) mics fixed to the ledge of the balcony.
I decided NOT to record this concert from the balcony but as close to the stage as possible, for optimum sound.
Going as close as possible is a great idea for getting a fantastic sounding tape, but not so good an idea considering there was only about 1000 people in a hall that normally seats 3500. There was too much open space to be able to hide a 15 pound stereo cassette recorder and a 1 point stereo microphone that resembeled the Hammer Of Thor.
I stuck out, to say the least.
The Larry Raspberry and the Highsteppers set was recorded while seated from the front of the first row.
I moved over closer to the left PA stack for the Lou Reed set to stand and record.
In fact I was so close that the recorder is balanced on the metal police barricade in front of the stage.
There was no one and nothing in front of me. I'm holding that large microphone pointed directly at the stack and at the stage, that's why there's seems to be some stereo seperation.
When the show started, the band took the stage without Lou and played the intro to Sweet Jane, and Lou strolled out, his hair dyed blonde and wearing a black sleeveless T-stirt and jeans; rail thin and as pale as a vampire.
Lou then tied off his arm as if he were about to shoot up....he used his microphone cable to tie off with....and produced a syringe filled with a clear liquid. And Lou proceeds to look like he is gonna really shoot up.
AT THIS POINT, a huge St. Bernard Parish Sheriff's Deputy IN FULL RIOT GEAR walked out on stage in front of Lou Reed, and faced Lou with his hands on his hips.
He pointed to stage right and escorted Lou off stage.
You can hear the uneasiness in the air. The band is so nervous that they go into Sweet Jane a second time but Lou Reed, upon returning to the stage, sans syringe, starts singing Viscious instead.
The second time they get the song correct, but the damage is done, Lou Reed is visibly shaken and his confidence is gone.
(By the way, Larry Raspberry and the Highsteppers absolutely blew Lou Reed off the stage...I always felt that Lou never took control of the audience after the incident with the cop. And the crowd reaction on both this recording and that of the opening act will show that Lou Reed never got back into his groove after his meeting with that huge Deputy.)
As for the small gap in the recording about 25 minutes into the show.....
I got caught by a roadie while taping.
Remember I said how close I was while making this recording?
Well, I was close enough for a roadie to spot me from the wings and run and stage dive at me.
Luckily I saw him in mid-flight and threw the recorder to a friend....who accidentially switched it off...
I caught that roadie's arms who was swinging at me while screaming at me. "Motherf*cker, I want that f*cking tape."
Before there were any punches thrown, we were both grabbed by a VERY big St. Bernard Parish Shreiff's deputy, who shook us both by the back of the collar and asked what the unnatural carnal knowledge were we doing.
Before I could answer, the roadie yelled in the cop's face, "That motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer is taping the show and I want that motherf*cking tape."
The cop asked me what I was doing and I said just standing there taping and not bothering anyone.
The cop told the roadie, Get back befind the stage and don't let me see you again tonight or you'll see what the inside of our jail looks like.
The roadie said what about the tape, and the cop said I'll take care of it.
To me the cop says go back and sit down and don't be so obvious if you're going to record the concert. {The cop knew me......)
The final outcome: I got to finish recording the show minus about a 3 minute gap.
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Politicians obstructing music and free speech are the worst *cough* Al Gore *cough*
I think Tipper was the bigger culprit.
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Politicians obstructing music and free speech are the worst *cough* Al Gore *cough*
Unbeknownst to Lou Reed (at the time), He was acting as a catalyst to end Communist rule in Czechoslovakia
http://www.businessinsider.com/lou-reed-and-vaclav-havel-vs-communism-2013-10 (http://www.businessinsider.com/lou-reed-and-vaclav-havel-vs-communism-2013-10)
Frank Zappa was the leading music industry advocate in opposition to the Gore initiative. Frank also accepted an appointment to Ministry of Commerce by the Czech government. His musical legacy and influences were far more prolific than those of Lou Reed, his biggest critic. It is ironic that Lou made the induction speech for Frank's postmortem R&R Hall of Fame induction
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Frank Zappa was the leading music industry advocate in opposition to the Gore initiative. Frank also accepted an appointment to Ministry of Commerce by the Czech government. His musical legacy and influences were far more prolific than those of Lou Reed, his biggest critic. It is ironic that Lou made the induction speech for Frank's postmortem R&R Hall of Fame induction
I still play Overnite Sensation from time to time. Zappa was pure genius.
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I still play Overnite Sensation from time to time. Zappa was pure genius.
then do your self a favor and listen to more than just one of his most popular LPs from time to time like Grand Wazoo, Hot Rats, Roxy & Elsewhere, Bongo Fury, Zappa in NY, Sheik Yerbouti, Zoot Allures. Joe's Garage, You R What U is, YCDTOSA etc. ;)
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I might be movin' to Montana soon...
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I whipped off her bloomers 'n stiffened my thumb
An' applied rotation on her sugar plum
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Yippee kai yo kai yay
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"Roadwork" written by Tom Wright, Pete Townshend's friend and early musical influence, has a section on MC5 (Wright ran the infamous Grande in Detroit that booked a lot of up-and-coming and established acts. His experience there with the Dead is a hilarious read).
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Lou Reed performed at the MU Brooks Memorial Union (1973 ?)
It brought out a very unusual crowd.
A few MU students and mostly locals - lots of Glitter and make up worn by the Milwaukee crowd.
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Lou Reed performed at the MU Brooks Memorial Union (1973 ?)
It brought out a very unusual crowd.
A few MU students and mostly locals - lots of Glitter and make up worn by the Milwaukee crowd.
That shocks me. MU was caught in a time warp back in the 70's. ASMU couldn't show R rated movies at the Varsity and coed visitors required door open and feet on floor.
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Dorm door had to be open the width of a wastepaper basket. Freshman women had "hours" to keep and Schroeder didn't become co-ed until circa 1970.
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ASMU had a rather eclectic mix of performers at the Union in the 71-75 era.
Muddy Waters
Lionel Hampton
John B. Sebastian
But Lou Reed was something else back then !
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If memory serves me correctly Tower was the first Co-Ed dorm with men and women on the same floor.
That was a huge change for MU.
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Dorm door had to be open the width of a wastepaper basket. Freshman women had "hours" to keep and Schroeder didn't become co-ed until circa 1970.
Schroeder was plenty coed by 1979. ;)
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ASMU had a rather eclectic mix of performers at the Union in the 71-75 era.
Muddy Waters
Lionel Hampton
John B. Sebastian
But Lou Reed was something else back then !
I was friends with the guy who did the Shady Jim Production series at the Mugrack. Jim was a man who, uh, liked to graze at the smorgasbord of female companionship. I always thought he went on to a life of hard drugs, fast women, and stacked amps but I heard he sells insurance now.
But, man, the music back then...
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Anyone remember Yipes?
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South side Johnny came to the Varsity twice in my day.
Gritty.
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Anyone remember Yipes?
Milwaukee Wave band. They played the Mugrack in the late 70's. Milwaukee had a vibrant music scene back then. We used to get passes to The Palms and The Toad. Red Ball Jets, Oil Tasters, Yipes. Good stuff.
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I saw The Ramone's at Toad's Place in New Haven back in the early 90s. The loudest concert I ever attended. I could barely hear from the ringing in my ears for 3 days.
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I still play Overnite Sensation from time to time. Zappa was pure genius.
I saw the Mothers at the Auditorium Theater in Chicago on Mother's Day 1974. Some of the show appeared in tracks on the Roxy Elsewhere album. That was one of Frank's better bands. George Duke, Jean-Luc Ponty, Ruth Underwood. The language and on-stage antics resulted prompted the Auditorium to prohibit Frank's return.
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Had a friend who, as a teen, used to frequent CBGBs. Hyberbole, but she said that the Ramones would play a set of a dozen songs in about 10 minutes.
When she was a little younger, she saw the band for the first time rehearsing in her friend's basement in Brooklyn. When the band took a break, they sent her and her friend out for pizza and beer.
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Milwaukee Wave band. They played the Mugrack in the late 70's. Milwaukee had a vibrant music scene back then. We used to get passes to The Palms and The Toad. Red Ball Jets, Oil Tasters, Yipes. Good stuff.
How about The Shag?
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How about The Shag?
You got me on that one, Tom. But I like the name!