Kolek planning to go pro
So, the Henry Ellenson test. Are either Sam or Joey more skilled offensively than Henry?
Yeah, I mean I am sure Izzo is going to get more out of him than what we saw his freshman year, but I didn't see an overabundance of athleticism from Joey.
MSU has the occasional one and done but we’re not talking UK or Duke here. The last I can remember is Jaren Jackson, Jr. But Valentine and Winston were BT POY and four year guys.
Damn you and your logic/common sense. People here prefer their sour grapes.
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold. He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.
Is it sour grapes to point out that Joey was an objectively poor defender or that Sam will be attempting to be a 23 year old rookie, or are those just facts? Again, value in the NBA is based on who you can defend. That's why you see guys like Luguentz Dort and his 29% career three point shooting finding a solid role on a decent team. Henry, Joey, Sam and Markus are all too poor defenders to make it in the NBA.
Selfless players that didn’t want to play with Markus or Tyler Herro. I guess that’s selfless
You're absolutely correct. People claiming that the NBA is for shooters don't actually follow the NBA. The NBA is for athletes that CAN SHOOT.
I'd say a guy like Joe Harris, an NBA starter despite testing below average across the board in athletic drills at the draft combine, proves otherwise. If you can be an elite shooter in the NBA, you can get by with limited athleticism. The league has plenty of guys who fit that bill. I just question whether Sam has even the limited athleticism, relative to NBA players, to earn a consistent role in the league. Joey is bigger and more athletic, which would seem to give him a better chance.
Joey is certainly bigger, but he isn't NBA big. Who does Joey guard in the NBA? What position does he play? He might be more athletic than Sam, but he isn't fast enough to beat guys off the dribble in the NBA. He won't be creating his own shot... and if he is a 6'9" spot shooter (he isn't) who can't guard anyone... aren't there a hundred guys like that already in the league?Hey, I'll probably be proven wrong and have to eat crow... but I just don't see it. He strikes me as a guy that is like Henry... Successful in HS, Very good in college, and not viable in the NBA. I hope he rides the wave of hype to the NBA (for his sake), but I think he's just a very good college player... like his brother.If we're saying he has a better chance than Sam, I can get on board. But the chance is still very slim.
Out of curiousity how can you say someone 6-9 (I thought he was 6-10?) isn't NBA big? I mean are you saying he's lanky? we haven't seen him in a year but I do know kids in college tend to bulk up as time goes on.He won't stick in the NBA but he'll get a look, play some spot minutes for a bit, get wrapped up in a crappy trade and get waived.
Selfless players who, if you believe the meat eaters, wrote a letter to formally object to their roles and attempted to rope the rest of team into it.I don't wish anything bad for the Hausers, but the determined efforts of some here to portray them as something other than a couple of kids looking out for their own best interests (which is perfectly OK, by the way) is very misguided.
They want the ball to move. Did you ever watch SPASH play? You couldn't tell who was Top 100 (Sam) who was the potential McD's AA (Joey) or who was the UWGB kid.
They want the ball to move. Did you ever watch SPASH play? You couldn't tell who was Top 100 (Sam) who was the potential McD's AA (Joey) or who was the UWGB kid. It was 5 dudes moving the ball. That's it. Markus is not an easy guy to play with. He changes the way a game is played and it was fundamentally different than what they were used to. I'm sure Wojo said over and over it would change (because he knew it wasn't sustainable) and yet it never changed.
I don’t have a strong opinion if Joey or Sam will make the NBA. My gut says they will, and it will be more than a cup of coffee for both. But concerns who they can defend at that level are legit. I am going to root very hard for them and not be a bitter jackass like many of our fans though. I enjoyed watching them both very much at MU. Some of the commentary here since their departure is consistent with the maturity of Badger fans over an 18 year old showing the audacity in deciding to play at another school.
Yawn, same tired old arguments. They left because Howard was an exciting chucker, but that same chucker cost MU a lot of games.You live by the chucker and you die by the chucker. Not many teams have won big with that philosophy. Seton hall in the BET would be my thesis for that argument. Also the game the hausers bounced on the program.
Because 6'9 220 isn't a big in the NBA. Everyone that is that height is carrying more weight, and they're faster. Also, yes, Joey is younger and can add weight... but will he get quicker when he does that? Doubtful.You still may be right, but when does he jump to the draft? He better do it this year, otherwise the hype will have worn off, and he will be another year older.
I knew today would be the day of 1000 hot takes, but I didn't expect this to be one of them.
Joey is certainly bigger, but he isn't NBA big. Who does Joey guard in the NBA? What position does he play? He might be more athletic than Sam, but he isn't fast enough to beat guys off the dribble in the NBA. He won't be creating his own shot... and if he is a 6'9" spot shooter (he isn't) who can't guard anyone... aren't there a hundred guys like that already in the league?
Sure, in the 4 years that Howard was here, what did Marquette acomplish? With the all team leading scorer. Tell me bud.