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Title: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on April 03, 2023, 11:04:09 PM
1. UConn
2. Marquette
3. Duke
4. Kentucky
5. Florida Atlantic
6. Michigan State
7. Kansas
8. Arizona
9. Houston
10. Creighton

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/page/earlytop25040422/uconn-huskies-no-1-2023-24-way-too-early-top-25-men-college-basketball-rankings
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: cheebs09 on April 03, 2023, 11:35:59 PM
ESPN staffers have to be so confused. A 30 for 30 talked about the end of the Big East.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on April 03, 2023, 11:41:49 PM
ESPN staffers have to be so confused. A 30 for 30 talked about the end of the Big East.
To be fair, this Big East isn’t that Big East.

It’s so much better.

Imagine dealing with Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers, USF in their current states. Sounds like a bunch of traveling all over the country to play Q2-Q3 games. Yuck.

All that and our values align. Best hoops conference in the country and anybody that disagrees is salty because they don’t have the TV rights.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 03, 2023, 11:49:21 PM
ESPN staffers have to be so confused. A 30 for 30 talked about the end of the Big East.
So did ESPN hitch their wagon to the wrong horse?

Actually they have beating the ACC into submission (and maybe dissolution) with the TV deal.

Will ESPN bid on the Big East next time around? I'd pay top dollar to see Val tell them to "suck it"
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: wadesworld on April 04, 2023, 12:13:46 AM
To be fair, this Big East isn’t that Big East.

It’s so much better.

Imagine dealing with Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers, USF in their current states. Sounds like a bunch of traveling all over the country to play Q2-Q3 games. Yuck.

All that and our values align. Best hoops conference in the country and anybody that disagrees is salty because they don’t have the TV rights.

The Old Big East was better, but this one is dang good and as good as we can hope for. Cuse, Pitt, and Louisville wouldn’t be what they are if they’d never left the Big East.

The Big Twelve has been the best conference in the country for a while. They lose OU and Texas soon, but they add Houston.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Jockey on April 05, 2023, 12:37:20 PM
The Old Big East was better, but this one is dang good and as good as we can hope for. Cuse, Pitt, and Louisville wouldn’t be what they are if they’d never left the Big East.

The Big Twelve has been the best conference in the country for a while. They lose OU and Texas soon, but they add Houston.

I agree with all of this.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on April 08, 2023, 05:04:01 PM
Clingan officially back for UConn
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: MU82 on April 08, 2023, 06:57:05 PM
Clingan officially back for UConn

(https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/q_auto,w_558,c_fit/http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F180626121052-star-trek-worf-01.jpg)
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Skatastrophy on April 08, 2023, 08:36:40 PM
More appropriate klingon, imo. The time James Worthy was in TNG

(https://upload.suggest.com/sg/uploads/2021/07/james-worthy-star-trek.jpg)
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: MU82 on April 08, 2023, 10:21:19 PM
Forgot about that, Ska. Well done!
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: lawdog77 on April 11, 2023, 08:47:18 AM
Newest bracketology

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions (https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-2024-march-madness-men-field-predictions)
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: zcg2013 on April 11, 2023, 08:59:13 AM
Rumors swirling Filipowski is returning to Duke. Expect all of media outlets to automatically put Duke at 1. They may deserve it, but still a lot to be proven. Also curious if Roach returns or not.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: mugrad_89 on April 11, 2023, 09:24:13 AM
Rumors swirling Filipowski is returning to Duke. Expect all of media outlets to automatically put Duke at 1. They may deserve it, but still a lot to be proven. Also curious if Roach returns or not.

Filipowsk’s a good player, but right now he’s nothing more than a volume scorer.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 11, 2023, 10:07:45 AM
Rumors swirling Filipowski is returning to Duke. Expect all of media outlets to automatically put Duke at 1. They may deserve it, but still a lot to be proven. Also curious if Roach returns or not.

Filipowski makes it official that he will return to Duke.  But the domino effect: top 10 recruit Mackenzie Mgbako asks for his release.


https://twitter.com/GlobalScouting_/status/1645793385616412675?t=f561B3DP6tIxXoWb8XAhaw&s=19
 (https://twitter.com/GlobalScouting_/status/1645793385616412675?t=f561B3DP6tIxXoWb8XAhaw&s=19)
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on April 11, 2023, 10:13:54 AM
Just started scouting New Orleans and Tennessee Tech.

Lunardi has us playing the winner of that play-in in Indianapolis as the 1 seed in the Midwest.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: PointWarrior on April 11, 2023, 10:14:03 AM
Filipowsk’s a good player, but right now he’s nothing more than a volume scorer.

Yeah, it's crappy when a good team has a volume scorer return.  Should Marquette be concerned our volume scorer appears to be returning?

 
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: SaveOD238 on April 11, 2023, 10:23:59 AM
Just started scouting New Orleans and Tennessee Tech.

Lunardi has us playing the winner of that play-in in Indianapolis as the 1 seed in the Midwest.

That Indianapolis -> Detroit regional path looks really enticing for MU (and most Big Ten schools)
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: bilsu on April 11, 2023, 10:34:53 AM
Just started scouting New Orleans and Tennessee Tech.

Lunardi has us playing the winner of that play-in in Indianapolis as the 1 seed in the Midwest.
After this year. I am not sure we want to be a top 3 seed.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: panda on April 11, 2023, 10:35:53 AM
Filipowsk’s a good player, but right now he’s nothing more than a volume scorer.

High volume scorer, high volume rebounder.

Just a guy.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: PointWarrior on April 11, 2023, 10:36:48 AM
Just started scouting New Orleans and Tennessee Tech.

Lunardi has us playing the winner of that play-in in Indianapolis as the 1 seed in the Midwest.

which one will scoopers be more afraid of?   is it okay to discuss our second round opponent or is it still one game at a time preferred here on scoop?

Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Coleman on April 11, 2023, 10:54:26 AM
When's the last time (not counting Hauser debacle) MU had this high of expectations going into a season? 1978?
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: wadesworld on April 11, 2023, 11:05:05 AM
Filipowski makes it official that he will return to Duke.  But the domino effect: top 10 recruit Mackenzie Mgbako asks for his release.


https://twitter.com/GlobalScouting_/status/1645793385616412675?t=f561B3DP6tIxXoWb8XAhaw&s=19
 (https://twitter.com/GlobalScouting_/status/1645793385616412675?t=f561B3DP6tIxXoWb8XAhaw&s=19)

We do have an open scholarship and a need for a rebounder and 3 point shooter...
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: StillAWarrior on April 11, 2023, 11:05:49 AM
When's the last time (not counting Hauser debacle) MU had this high of expectations going into a season? 1978?

And we all know how that turned out.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oriOaivTEk4PotVEQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 11, 2023, 11:16:24 AM
We do have an open scholarship and a need for a rebounder and 3 point shooter...

He would be a great replacement if O-Max turns pro.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: MU82 on April 11, 2023, 01:09:56 PM
When's the last time (not counting Hauser debacle) MU had this high of expectations going into a season? 1978?

I can't speak for others, but I had high expectations in 2013-14, 2012-13, 2011-12, 2007-08, 2003-04, 2002-03, 1982-83 and 1978-79, and probably a few other seasons.

If the only definition of "high expectations" is top 5-10, then maybe only 2002-03, but I'm an optimist so probably a couple others.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Coleman on April 11, 2023, 01:11:43 PM
I can't speak for others, but I had high expectations in 2013-14, 2012-13, 2011-12, 2007-08, 2003-04, 2002-03, 1982-83 and 1978-79, and probably a few other seasons.

If the only definition of "high expectations" is top 5-10, then maybe only 2002-03, but I'm an optimist so probably a couple others.

 I mean if things hold and no one leaves we are a consensus top 5 team, and most of the ones I am seeing are top 3. I can't recall any MU team getting that much preseason hype in my lifetime (I am almost 40).
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: MU82 on April 11, 2023, 03:18:29 PM
I mean if things hold and no one leaves we are a consensus top 5 team, and most of the ones I am seeing are top 3. I can't recall any MU team getting that much preseason hype in my lifetime (I am almost 40).

OK, with that as the guideline ...

Me either, and I've been a Marquette guy since the fall of 1978.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Not A Serious Person on April 12, 2023, 05:49:16 AM
I mean if things hold and no one leaves we are a consensus top 5 team, and most of the ones I am seeing are top 3. I can't recall any MU team getting that much preseason hype in my lifetime (I am almost 40).

In 2019, before the Hausers left, MU was #2 in ESPN's way too early polls

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26464237/loaded-michigan-state-leads-way-too-early-top-25-2019-20
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: panda on April 12, 2023, 06:24:24 AM
In 2019, before the Hausers left, MU was #2 in ESPN's way too early polls

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26464237/loaded-michigan-state-leads-way-too-early-top-25-2019-20

Why do you think they left given such high pre season expectations?
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: tower912 on April 12, 2023, 06:28:18 AM
Early version of chat gpt failed to pick up on the irony they intended and they failed to check the letter closely enough.   What was supposed to be light hearted sarcasm emerged as an ultimatum.   Alas.

 ::)
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: lawdog77 on April 19, 2023, 10:10:59 AM
Updated WTE Top 25 on Espn.com


https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/36058691/2023-24-way-too-early-top-25-men-college-basketball-rankings (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/36058691/2023-24-way-too-early-top-25-men-college-basketball-rankings)
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: muwarrior4life88 on April 19, 2023, 10:35:53 AM
Big East is the best basketball league in college.  https://youtu.be/O9qT0JbUCsk
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: dgies9156 on April 19, 2023, 10:45:39 AM
I mean if things hold and no one leaves we are a consensus top 5 team, and most of the ones I am seeing are top 3. I can't recall any MU team getting that much preseason hype in my lifetime (I am almost 40).

I'm 66 and I can remember a couple:

-- 1971, The Jim Chones team, probably would have challenged UCLA for the best team in the land. People knew we were loaded. But, Mr. Chones left for the NBA.

-- 1975, Another loaded team. What we did to the Russians in early November was legendary. We probably were the second best team in the land, but Indiana was undefeated and beat us in the Regional Final. The 1972 Dolphins of college basketball. Just about as obnoxious!

-- 1978, Except for Bo Ellis, most of our team was back. We had BT and Ulice to fill the Bo Hole. Sadly, our team fell apart against F**king Miami of Ohio. No "See You in St. Louis" for us that year.
 
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Dickthedribbler on April 19, 2023, 11:19:22 AM
I'm 66 and I can remember a couple:

-- 1971, The Jim Chones team, probably would have challenged UCLA for the best team in the land. People knew we were loaded. But, Mr. Chones left for the NBA.

-- 1975, Another loaded team. What we did to the Russians in early November was legendary. We probably were the second best team in the land, but Indiana was undefeated and beat us in the Regional Final. The 1972 Dolphins of college basketball. Just about as obnoxious!

-- 1978, Except for Bo Ellis, most of our team was back. We had BT and Ulice to fill the Bo Hole. Sadly, our team fell apart against F**king Miami of Ohio. No "See You in St. Louis" for us that year.

I remember the "Meet me in St. Louis" buttons everyone was wearing the last weeks of the season leading up to the NCAA Tournament. Still have one in a drawer somewhere.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: El Guerrero 2 on April 19, 2023, 12:39:52 PM
Big East is the best basketball league in college.  https://youtu.be/O9qT0JbUCsk

That segment really got me wishing I could hit the fast forward button to December. The Big East is going to be so fun to watch next year.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: wisblue on April 19, 2023, 01:10:23 PM
That segment really got me wishing I could hit the fast forward button to December. The Big East is going to be so fun to watch next year.

When you get to be my age, you won’t be that quick to wish months away.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 19, 2023, 01:56:14 PM
Big East is the best basketball league in college.  https://youtu.be/O9qT0JbUCsk
With all the talk about great coaches and coaching matchups in the BE, barely a mention of the NCOY, Shaka. And I'm not complaining because the discussion was legit, just speaks to the depth of the BE.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: dgies9156 on April 19, 2023, 02:07:29 PM
I remember the "Meet me in St. Louis" buttons everyone was wearing the last weeks of the season leading up to the NCAA Tournament. Still have one in a drawer somewhere.

The Hank Raymonds Career Memorial Button!

What a calamity.

We didn't realize how depressing that day would be for years. But when it sunk in, it was baaaaaddddd -- bad.

Fortunately, those days are O-V-E-R!!!!!
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: The Lens on April 19, 2023, 04:19:30 PM
With all the talk about great coaches and coaching matchups in the BE, barely a mention of the NCOY, Shaka. And I'm not complaining because the discussion was legit, just speaks to the depth of the BE.

I think there's acknowledgement that MU is back but stubbing out toe vs MSU probably waters down the #mubb is a power conversation.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: willie warrior on April 19, 2023, 06:03:45 PM
I think there's acknowledgement that MU is back but stubbing out toe vs MSU probably waters down the #mubb is a power conversation.
We did not stub our toe, we showed that we are not ready for prime time after losing to a shell of an Izzo team.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on April 19, 2023, 06:08:23 PM
We did not stub our toe, we showed that we are not ready for prime time after losing to a shell of an Izzo team.

-1
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 19, 2023, 06:13:17 PM
We did not stub our toe, we showed that we are not ready for prime time after losing to a shell of an Izzo team.

We need an aircraft carrier
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 19, 2023, 06:21:59 PM
We need an aircraft carrier

And a mid range game.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on April 19, 2023, 06:28:36 PM
We need an aircraft carrier
Who shoots the mid-range, shoots the 3, and backs up Tk at the point.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 19, 2023, 06:36:47 PM
Who shoots the mid-range, shoots the 3, and backs up Tk at the point.

And has his Warriors pennant in his living room, not his basement
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: The Lens on April 20, 2023, 11:05:10 AM
We did not stub our toe, we showed that we are not ready for prime time after losing to a shell of an Izzo team.

Team that beats eventual National Champion UConn on Friday Night in the BET at Madison Square Garden is not ready for Primetime.

That could be a t-shirt.  It makes too much sense. 
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: PointWarrior on April 20, 2023, 01:18:01 PM
I think there's acknowledgement that MU is back but stubbing out toe vs MSU probably waters down the #mubb is a power conversation.

More like caught a thumb in a jersey than stubbing a toe...
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Viper on April 20, 2023, 02:14:45 PM
I'm 66 and I can remember a couple:

-- 1971, The Jim Chones team, probably would have challenged UCLA for the best team in the land. People knew we were loaded. But, Mr. Chones left for the NBA.

-- 1975, Another loaded team. What we did to the Russians in early November was legendary. We probably were the second best team in the land, but Indiana was undefeated and beat us in the Regional Final. The 1972 Dolphins of college basketball. Just about as obnoxious!

-- 1978, Except for Bo Ellis, most of our team was back. We had BT and Ulice to fill the Bo Hole. Sadly, our team fell apart against F**king Miami of Ohio. No "See You in St. Louis" for us that year.
Butch in that game in ‘78
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: MU82 on April 20, 2023, 03:08:56 PM
But on the bright side, we had cool unis!
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: The Lens on April 20, 2023, 04:43:00 PM
Prince Harry could ball.
Title: Re: ESPN Way Too Early Top 25 2023-24
Post by: Viper on April 20, 2023, 06:11:18 PM
But on the bright side, we had cool unis!
they were awesome!  Too bad the NCAA wouldn’t grant a one-off to wear ‘em again. Come out wearing those vs Notre Dame? Yes!!