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End of story? Oh...OK....My point is that college basketball is a cut-throat and shady business. To pretend that MU doesn't participate in some of this shadiness is simply wrong-headed.
Now it looks like Crean is finally having some recruiting success at keeping high end Indiana kids to stay home. We'll see if it leads to winning games in the Big Ten.
And therein lies the problem, it's still two more years before these kids get on campus. Will IU put up with two more losing seasons so that Crean can get his prize recruits on campus (which most think he should have gotten already)? Chicos says yes. I say no. Only time will tell.
He didn't buy himself any rope as there was no rope needed to buy. Again, why is this so difficult for some of you? The university has a 10 year plan on this and EVERYONE that is of consequence knows how long it's going to take. He most certainly isn't toast if one of these kids doesn't show up.Don't let the hatorade cloud the reality of what their plan is.
Just to be clear, could you state if you believe Buzz operates in violation of NCAA rules? Or does he operate within rules, and just go in the grey area that may seem sleazy to the outsider?
Just to be clear, I said that there are things that make me squirm and I've listed SOME of them.Signing a kid to a National Letter of Intent and then dumping him a few weeks later for another player, that makes me squirm.Recruiting kids after they have already verbally committed to other schools, that makes me squirm.Etc. Are those against the rules....nope. Are AAU kids going to a college against the rules? Nope. That makes Ners squirm. Some of things that we've done makes me squirm. It's a squirmfest.Of course there are some other things as well that make me squirm....just as Dwyane Wade videos at IU make people here squirm. Go figure.
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.
I WANT to believe that, because it does sound probable. But, let's face it, if he had another bad season without some strong prospects on the horizon, the grumblings with the IU fanatics would start. If the fans start to turn on him, the grumblings could become loud enough in the next 2-3 years that IU would be forced to make a change before the 10 year plan is fully executed. Every school has a "10 year plan", but things have to go correctly in the first 5 years in order to reach the second 5 years. I don't think a University president and AD would brave the slings and arrows for 5 or 6 years of poor performance if Crean wasn't showing some progress (which the new recruiting class does).
The people of consequence can have all the 10 year plans they want, but if the real people of consequence, those who pay the bills, get restless enough, they are going to have no choice but to come up with a new plan. I would suggest at this point that is unlikely, but as I said if that class of 2012 doesn't quite come together, they lose other players, or something like that and they continue to lose games with regularity they aren't going to stick with a guy doing a bad job against high expectations, simply because the current plan calls for them to do so. Having a 10 year plan is great, but if the reality of their plan is that they have a bad plan, they will need to make changes. BTW, Kelvin Sampson, or no Kelvin Sampson, if it takes 10 years to turn around Indiana, a place where he will be able to land many more consistent classes then at MU for all the obvious reasons, then frankly, he sucks. I thought we were supposed to be able to judge coaches after 5 years anyway. Cripes, Baylor was in the NCAA tournament 4 years after that nightmare, and IU's problems weren't anywhere close to what happened there. Not to mention the inherent differences of Baylor vs. IU. St. John's is already better than IU, can DePaul be far behind?
A disastrous season, yes...that changes things, but that's not going to happen unless they have another crippling injury. Trust me when I tell you he got a full pass last year because of the injury situation. They are showing a ton of progress and the reality of it is simple, they started from scratch (literally) and the powers over there are in it for the long haul.They have some major talent coming in and more beyond in those classes. The plan was simple and straight forward.FIX the academic and off the court issue mess....Accomplished already (ahead of schedule)Rebuild recruiting infrastructure in the state...Accomplished already (on schedule)Become a post season team.....will happen this year with NIT or next at the latest (TBD)Compete in upper division of Big Ten....TBD but expectations are year 5Compete for Big Ten titles...TBDI've even seen this talked about in terms of actual years to accomplish each of these. Based on what I've seen and talked to people abut, they are ahead of schedule in some facets and on schedule in others. Not behind in any of them.Where did I hear or see this stuff? I don't think it would take much sleuth work to figure it out if you see who some of the power brokers are in the Big Ten Network, heads of some of the Sports networks and their IU connections \ connections to my industry. I'll leave it at that, but it's not hard to figure out.
Ners, you want to have a beer sometime and I'm happy to tell you, not on a message board. But you're right, someone that works daily with the Big Ten Network, Fox Sports, ESPN, the NCAA offices (located just up the road from IU), friends at the IndyStar and Bloomington Herald, or the dozen or so folks that I went to school there with that are in strong sports positions around the country and very connected to IU. Yup, you are right. You got me there. It's all made up. Illusions of grandeur Next thing you know you'll be saying that kids are going to certain schools because they hired the AAU assistant coach as a video coordinator...oh wait. Let's have that beer Ners. We can talk about the Cowboys, Marquette and your other favorite topic...IU. Maybe we can drive down to Plymouth and get some stock tips and talk Angus with the Black Swan \ Canadian Dimes. It will be a hoot.
If the job TC has done so far at IU exceeds or meets their every expectation I want to be an Indiana University employee in my next life. Talk about heaven on earth.
And you keep mocking the vdeo coordinator thing...ironic at minimum..cause I'm sure if Buzz did something like that..you'd be all over it. Then if he took it a step further and offered some kid a walk on slot that was the son of a board of directors memeber of an AAU squad..you'd be crying 'SQUIRMY." The reality is that it is highly, highly, highly unlikely that siad video coordinator and walk on were the best options for those positions. Classic quid pro quo
You obviously have no clue how bad it was, and that's why you make comments like you do. More than half the stuff that was going on hasn't even been made public. So yes, they are pleased with how things are going considering what a cesspool it was.
Of course it wasn't made known to the public! Come on Chicos..you came on here several months ago trying to say IU was banned from post season play..and that wasn't part of their punishment...their punishment basically was reduced phone calls to recruits and losing 1 scholarship for 2008-2009. Hardly a death penalty. What hurt was when Crean was named head coach and he couldn't retain some of the talented players at IU..such as Jordan Crawford...and several other transfers that took place..and then the JUCO's he did try to bring in were scrubs..